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On April 30 2012 13:00 EsMuyVien wrote:
Hell fucking yea! Now only for IdrA, HuK, and SaSe to get back into form and join those two!
Idra was never on a code S form. And I don't want a rage quiter in code S. Naniwa is a fighter. Stephano wants cash. Idra doesn't want anything so he has nothing to hang on to.
I feel only thorzain should be considered right now for a foreign invite. To also cover all 3 races.
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On April 30 2012 16:25 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 13:00 EsMuyVien wrote:
Hell fucking yea! Now only for IdrA, HuK, and SaSe to get back into form and join those two! Idra was never on a code S form. And I don't want a rage quiter in code S. Naniwa is a fighter. Stephano wants cash. Idra doesn't want anything so he has nothing to hang on to. I feel only thorzain should be considered right now for a foreign invite. To also cover all 3 races.
Except he's one of the only two foreigners who have ever qualified for Code S :s
Hate the current Idra all you want, but the first 6 months of SC2 he was still the best non-korean by a big margin.
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so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did?
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On April 30 2012 16:37 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:25 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 30 2012 13:00 EsMuyVien wrote:
Hell fucking yea! Now only for IdrA, HuK, and SaSe to get back into form and join those two! Idra was never on a code S form. And I don't want a rage quiter in code S. Naniwa is a fighter. Stephano wants cash. Idra doesn't want anything so he has nothing to hang on to. I feel only thorzain should be considered right now for a foreign invite. To also cover all 3 races. Except he's one of the only two foreigners who have ever qualified for Code S :s Hate the current Idra all you want, but the first 6 months of SC2 he was still the best non-korean by a big margin.
I'm guesing that living in Korea gave him an upper hand in the start (+ the BW experience), after he left it's been pretty much going down hill.
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On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did?
invited the same way
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On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did?
Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds
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On April 30 2012 16:55 Nosferatos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did? Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds
Nope.
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On April 30 2012 16:55 Nosferatos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did? Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds
Incorrect. Idra and Jinro have both made it this far previously. In fact Jinro beat Idra in that tournament to then move on to the ro4. This was GSL Open Season 1 if I recall correctly.
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On April 30 2012 17:07 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:55 Nosferatos wrote:On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did? Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds Incorrect. Idra and Jinro have both made it this far previously. In fact Jinro beat Idra in that tournament to then move on to the ro4. This was GSL Open Season 1 if I recall correctly.
nope that was in Code S january when Mvp demolished MKP in finals
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HuK already made it to the Ro8, where he himself lost to MVP (back then still in shape), so no, what is Naniwa doing is not unheard of.
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On April 30 2012 16:55 Nosferatos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did? Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds
never forget jinro bro
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On April 30 2012 16:55 Nosferatos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 16:53 sharky246 wrote:
so did naniwa earn his way to code s or did he get an invite like stephano did? Invite, but he's the fist forigner to go into the next rounds
More notable is that he's already earned a spot in next season's GSL, so it isn't an in-and-out like all the other invites we've seen. So I'd say he retroactively earned his spot.
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On April 27 2012 21:14 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 27 2012 20:55 00Visor wrote:On April 27 2012 19:59 Wurstbrot wrote:On April 27 2012 09:05 M7Jagger wrote:On April 27 2012 05:57 .Carnage wrote:
The great foreign hope!! STEPHANO FIGHTING! Sorry, but Naniwa is the one in the Ro8 in code s (prolly semifinal) so no, naniwa is the foreign hope. NaNi got lucky only have to play T and P. No. Stop downplaying Nanis achievements. He had recent wins vs Leenock, DRG and Nestea among others. His PvZ is only weak now because he did not have to practise it for GSL. Even if he got a bit lucky, some other Koreans did as well in their runs. So leave it be. It's not that he dodged Zergs, it's more than he played Terran's who are historically bad vs Protoss. If he played Jjakji/Taeja/MKP instead of Ryung/Virus it would mean a lot more. People get so stupidly defensive about this. He hasn't played anyone good outside of PvP yet, just accept it. Way, way, way worse players than Naniwa have made the Round of 8 in the GSL, it's just not that hard if you get a solid draw and a bit of luck. Just look at Inca, he's terrible and made the final. Or Anypro or Hongun. Huk's run to Round of 8 was equally as laughable, beating Killer in PvP twice (the worst PvP in Korea) and Nada in PvT (again another player who is bad vs Protoss). When a foreigner is involved people are so biased they can't accept that bracket luck exists. Not that foreigners are the only recipients. Nestea won a GSL by dodging every Terran in Code S except the woeful Ensnare and Jjakji had some pretty insane bracket luck to win his Code S too until the final where he played well. Virus has TvP as best matchup.
Great for him it is still about 45% because Virus has an overall winrate of 40%.
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On April 30 2012 17:24 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 21:14 00Visor wrote:On April 27 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 27 2012 20:55 00Visor wrote:On April 27 2012 19:59 Wurstbrot wrote:On April 27 2012 09:05 M7Jagger wrote:On April 27 2012 05:57 .Carnage wrote:
The great foreign hope!! STEPHANO FIGHTING! Sorry, but Naniwa is the one in the Ro8 in code s (prolly semifinal) so no, naniwa is the foreign hope. NaNi got lucky only have to play T and P. No. Stop downplaying Nanis achievements. He had recent wins vs Leenock, DRG and Nestea among others. His PvZ is only weak now because he did not have to practise it for GSL. Even if he got a bit lucky, some other Koreans did as well in their runs. So leave it be. It's not that he dodged Zergs, it's more than he played Terran's who are historically bad vs Protoss. If he played Jjakji/Taeja/MKP instead of Ryung/Virus it would mean a lot more. People get so stupidly defensive about this. He hasn't played anyone good outside of PvP yet, just accept it. Way, way, way worse players than Naniwa have made the Round of 8 in the GSL, it's just not that hard if you get a solid draw and a bit of luck. Just look at Inca, he's terrible and made the final. Or Anypro or Hongun. Huk's run to Round of 8 was equally as laughable, beating Killer in PvP twice (the worst PvP in Korea) and Nada in PvT (again another player who is bad vs Protoss). When a foreigner is involved people are so biased they can't accept that bracket luck exists. Not that foreigners are the only recipients. Nestea won a GSL by dodging every Terran in Code S except the woeful Ensnare and Jjakji had some pretty insane bracket luck to win his Code S too until the final where he played well. Virus has TvP as best matchup. Great for him it is still about 45% because Virus has an overall winrate of 40%.
NaNiwa was picked by Genius on MC's advice. MC said to pick NaNiwa because he was a strong opponent. NaNi 2-0'd Genius. NaNiwa is a much better player than the foreigner-bashers are willing to admit.
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On April 30 2012 17:27 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 17:24 Aunvilgod wrote:On April 27 2012 21:14 00Visor wrote:On April 27 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 27 2012 20:55 00Visor wrote:On April 27 2012 19:59 Wurstbrot wrote:On April 27 2012 09:05 M7Jagger wrote:On April 27 2012 05:57 .Carnage wrote:
The great foreign hope!! STEPHANO FIGHTING! Sorry, but Naniwa is the one in the Ro8 in code s (prolly semifinal) so no, naniwa is the foreign hope. NaNi got lucky only have to play T and P. No. Stop downplaying Nanis achievements. He had recent wins vs Leenock, DRG and Nestea among others. His PvZ is only weak now because he did not have to practise it for GSL. Even if he got a bit lucky, some other Koreans did as well in their runs. So leave it be. It's not that he dodged Zergs, it's more than he played Terran's who are historically bad vs Protoss. If he played Jjakji/Taeja/MKP instead of Ryung/Virus it would mean a lot more. People get so stupidly defensive about this. He hasn't played anyone good outside of PvP yet, just accept it. Way, way, way worse players than Naniwa have made the Round of 8 in the GSL, it's just not that hard if you get a solid draw and a bit of luck. Just look at Inca, he's terrible and made the final. Or Anypro or Hongun. Huk's run to Round of 8 was equally as laughable, beating Killer in PvP twice (the worst PvP in Korea) and Nada in PvT (again another player who is bad vs Protoss). When a foreigner is involved people are so biased they can't accept that bracket luck exists. Not that foreigners are the only recipients. Nestea won a GSL by dodging every Terran in Code S except the woeful Ensnare and Jjakji had some pretty insane bracket luck to win his Code S too until the final where he played well. Virus has TvP as best matchup. Great for him it is still about 45% because Virus has an overall winrate of 40%. NaNiwa was picked by Genius on MC's advice. MC said to pick NaNiwa because he was a strong opponent. NaNi 2-0'd Genius. NaNiwa is a much better player than the foreigner-bashers are willing to admit.
And he's nowhere near as good as his fanboys think.
On April 30 2012 16:25 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 13:00 EsMuyVien wrote:
Hell fucking yea! Now only for IdrA, HuK, and SaSe to get back into form and join those two! Idra was never on a code S form. And I don't want a rage quiter in code S. Naniwa is a fighter. Stephano wants cash. Idra doesn't want anything so he has nothing to hang on to. I feel only thorzain should be considered right now for a foreign invite. To also cover all 3 races.
It's funny that you would call out Idra from that list when he's won more major LAN's than both Naniwa and Thorzain and that you don't even mention Sase, a guy who has zero results to speak of on LAN and who got booted out of the GSL by Fruitdealer in his worse matchup (I struggle to think of anything more tragic than that). But no, of that list you pick on Idra, a guy who unlike every other foreigner bar Jinro 100% legitimately earnt his spot on the biggest stage in the business (excluding Open seasons).
Idra might be pretty crappy right now but he's still more deserving of an invite than Sase because at least he's won something in the last six months (or ever). Idra was on Code S form when he actually you know, qualified for Code S with zero affirmative action spots.
On April 29 2012 18:59 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 23:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Better GSL is better and more important than all those other lesser tournaments. They also understand that a good tournament is about letting players prepare for their games not make them play 25 standard ladder style games in a row.
Exactly this is why I dont like. Preparing something is good/excellent for underdogs and better players are more afraid against underdogs. This is why I like 3days tournaments much more.
Better players are smarter players, a better and smarter player is much more likely to win when he has chance to prepare for his opponent than when he doesn't know he playing someone who's super greedy (Ret/Idra), or super cheesy (Inori) and getting caught out. 3 day tournaments promote people winning because they hit a hot streak (Leenock) rather than playing well for an entire month. There's way more skill in winning an extended tournament and not only that it invariably produces better games.
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On April 30 2012 17:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
it invariably produces better games.
flash vs jd sucked dick because half the time it was mindgames and bo wins.
i'm pretty sure 4pool vs forward 8rax isn't a "better game."
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Well, to be fair, NaNi has the best chance at winning this GSL than any other foreigner did in previous GSLs.
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On April 30 2012 17:53 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 17:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
it invariably produces better games. flash vs jd sucked dick because half the time it was mindgames and bo wins. i'm pretty sure 4pool vs forward 8rax isn't a "better game."
I don't know why you're talking about a completely different game but in this game almost all the best games ever played come from either GSL or TSL where as MLG/Dreamhack/IPL's are full of terrible game after terrible game of players doing the exact same builds because players don't want to take a risk when they haven't had chance to prepare something clever that they think will work on a specific map vs a specific player, so we very, very rarely see anything new outside of GSL.
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On April 30 2012 17:54 EZBreeZ wrote:
Well, to be fair, NaNi has the best chance at winning this GSL than any other foreigner did in previous GSLs.
No he doesn't Jinro was in the Round of 4 twice and at the time Jinro was legitimately one of the top five players in the world (behind Nestea, MVP, MKP and MC). Naniwa most definitely is not in the top five in the world, he's not even in the top 10.
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On April 30 2012 17:59 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 17:54 EZBreeZ wrote:
Well, to be fair, NaNi has the best chance at winning this GSL than any other foreigner did in previous GSLs. No he doesn't Jinro was in the Round of 4 twice and at the time Jinro was legitimately one of the top five players in the world (behind Nestea, MVP, MKP and MC). Naniwa most definitely is not in the top five in the world, he's not even in the top 10.
we'll see 
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