EPTOn April 26 2012 03:13 McFeser wrote:
They can finally have their 10K match over there
They can finally have their 10K match over there
Yeah and imagine if that turns out to be the GSL final.
Stephano invited to Code S - Page 19
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
Yeah and imagine if that turns out to be the GSL final. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 27 2012 00:46 Kilby wrote: Yeah and imagine if that turns out to be the GSL final. 50k match than ... coz they're not pussies !!! | ||
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ReadySetFire
Kuwait545 Posts
lmfao | ||
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DayWalk3r
Canada192 Posts
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On April 26 2012 03:40 Melix wrote: The point of seeding foreigners into the GSL is that it compensates for an inherent disadvantage that all foreigners face -- that the tournament format forces you to be physically present in Korea for months at a time if you want to play a single game in Code S. This is not a burden on Koreans, but it is for foreigners. The seeds help to level the playing field, and it's great marketing for the GSL to boot. This is also very relevant to the question of whether any foreigner is "deserving" of a Code S spot. Judged by results outside of Korea, someone like Stephano is a no brainer. But a lot of people think that they only way to prove oneself "worthy" of a Code S spot is to go through Code B and A, which is an unfair metric given that Koreans can take multiple runs at it with no additional cost or sacrifice to themselves, but a foreigner has to sacrifice a tremendous amount just to get ONE shot. The folks running the GSL know what they are doing -- foreigner seeds are a great idea. That is very well said. It is supposed to be the Global Starcraft League. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
But a lot of people think that they only way to prove oneself "worthy" of a Code S spot is to go through Code B and A Well, duh, those who go through it require no invitations because they already get into Code S | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4. I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him. Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day) | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote: LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ. I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4. I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him. Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day) Well Nani is in the Ro8, and Stephano is better than NaNi, so who knows. (Still think it's veeeery unlikely though) | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
Do you know what? ANY CODE B player who is on a professional starcraft team can make it if he wants to. ever heard of NexLife? a 16 year old player who is consistenly placed in rank 1 GM??? well guess what, he never ever got to code s and only qualified for code a once, and got destroyed by JYP. The thing is, progamers don really give shit about ladder, dont use ladder as a means of measuring a player's skills, it doesnt measure anything | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote: LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ. I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4. I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him. Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day) So what, he lost a game? He also won some. It's not a matter of who he beat or who he lost to, it's a matter of how much can he consistently play at his best and how lucky he is with the groups. Let's say he gets a group like Oz, Parting, STC in RO32, he could totally crush that. Now put him against MMA, Nestea and MKP in RO16 and he might not win a single map. Guess what? That's luck !!! And when evaluating a player you don't base yourself on one game. Your argument is worthless. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:24 mongmong wrote: LOL at people thinking Stephano can become a GSL champ. I think people are forgetting what happened aginst MMA at IPL4. I at least thought the chance of winning for stephano was 50:50 but look at how the games turned out. MMA absolutely outclassed him. Even a better zerg like DRG falls to Code A a minute he makes a mistake (or a bad day) Losing to MMA in his weakest matchup who are a TvZ specialist are nothing to be ashamed off. With you logic Leenock is a bad zerg also becuase he gets stompede by every protoss he face? Nahh im affriad you need to open you eye´s abit. No one got 80% win in all 3 matchup. As good as MMA are in TvZ as bad are he in TvP.. If Stephano can avoid the TvZ killers he will do really well. And btw just a tip when you try to analyse a players skill lvl take the last 6months to get a clear picture then you would know Stephano´s strenght and weaknes. Taking 1 Match just make you look like a fool Btw I can do the same as you if I wanted to analyse Bombers skill lvl. Look at Bomber he got absolutely outclassed by Stephano in IPL 4. Bomber are horrible. o.0. Herp derp | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
Your argument is worthless. LOL. did u even watch parting and oz play yesterday??????? i dunno if uve seen any gsl matches ,but GSL isnt about "playing a damn good macro game" Its more about how u prepare against a certain player and improvise what strategies to use each round. From what ive seen, stephano is always damn predictable: play a straight up macro game, and all the korean players know this and will most likely take advantage of this by using a mix of all in and macro games. what im saying is that he is very likely to get sniped. i agree that he is capable of beating STC, but oz and parting??? LOL | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
Losing to MMA in his weakest matchup who are a TvZ specialist are nothing to be ashamed off. With you logic Leenock is a bad zerg also becuase he gets stompede by every protoss he face? Nahh im affriad you need to open you eye´s abit. No one got 80% win in all 3 matchup. As good as MMA are in TvZ as bad are he in TvP.. If Stephano can avoid the TvZ killers he will do really well. And btw just a tip when you try to analyse a players skill lvl take the last 6months to get a clear picture then you would know Stephano´s strenght and weaknes. Taking 1 Match just make you look like a fool Btw I can do the same as you if I wanted to analyse Bombers skill lvl. Look at Bomber he got absolutely outclassed by Stephano in IPL 4. Bomber are horrible. o.0. Herp derp. you stephano fanboys need to chill out, bomber isnt even at the same level as other code s players (except some like inca who got damn lucky) and yes bomber has been showing some god-awful matches. beating bomber doesnt make u a top tier player. Im 100% sure stephano doesnt make it out of ro32. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
You have to know that in gsl code S season, your dear loved MMA didn't make it out of ro32 too, you know, as well as DRG, Jjakji, and Nestea, 3 formers champions and still AWESOME players today. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
if i were to name the only foreigner worthy, it would be naniwa. unless stephano proves that he is worthy of code s spot, I wouldn't rely on him too much | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:47 mongmong wrote: So what, he lost a game? He also won some. It's not a matter of who he beat or who he lost to, it's a matter of how much can he consistently play at his best and how lucky he is with the groups. Let's say he gets a group like Oz, Parting, STC in RO32, he could totally crush that. Now put him against MMA, Nestea and MKP in RO16 and he might not win a single map. Guess what? That's luck !!! And when evaluating a player you don't base yourself on one game. Your argument is worthless. LOL. did u even watch parting and oz play yesterday??????? i dunno if uve seen any gsl matches ,but GSL isnt about "playing a damn good macro game" Its more about how u prepare against a certain player and improvise what strategies to use each round. From what ive seen, stephano is always damn predictable: play a straight up macro game, and all the korean players know this and will most likely take advantage of this by using a mix of all in and macro games. what im saying is that he is very likely to get sniped. i agree that he is capable of beating STC, but oz and parting??? LOL You talk way too much boy. Yeah I actually saw those matchs since I'm writing articles about it for a website, but this is not what matters. You're loosing yourself in korean fanatism like a dog looses itself to sniffing it's own ass. I'm not saying Stephano is the best player on Earth or whatever you think you read, I'm saying that you shouldn't judge people based on one game, and you shouldn't forget about the huge amount of luck that is involved in getting to RO8 in a GSL. Stephano's style doesn't revolve around straight up macro games all the time, it revolves around safety to the point where he can play a straight up macro game. The argument of studying his style his crap, since all players (him included) can do that before their match. Now Stephano is cocky enough not to do it ... I'll give you that ... but still ... And once again I'm not here to argue whether he's gonna win or not, I'm just saying the guy deserves his seed and could definitely do something in the GSL. If you don't believe this, go talk to MC, Nestea and Mr Chae and explain them how wrong they are ... You seem to understand things so much better than everyone ... | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
Why don't we wait until he actually plays some matches? A lot of people who are hating on Stephano were hating on NaNiwa a couple weeks ago. My two cents. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
LOL this is kinda funny cuz the thing i dispise most in starcraft 2 is "korean pride" bullshit and ur addressing my opinion as 'korean fanatism'??/// its kinda convinient for u to put it as 'korean fanatism' LOL LOL well lets see how it turns out in the next season | ||
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
The higher the hype the lower skill a player must have. I don't think they can judge based on his play and performance. | ||
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hyperdemented
Austria372 Posts
On April 27 2012 02:15 YourMom wrote: It seems to me that Stephano's haters are hating him because of his hype. This has happened since his debut. The higher the hype the lower skill a player must have. I don't think they can judge based on his play and performance. yeah, stephano is the biggest retardmagnet ive seen | ||
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