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BradenKuntz
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada59 Posts
April 17 2012 04:23 GMT
#601
Is this actually official? Because, I gotta say, relying on someone's twitter account, regardless of who they are, doesn't seem too reliable to me. Has GOMtv released anything?
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
April 17 2012 04:37 GMT
#602
We need more confirmation from moletrap's end.
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
April 17 2012 04:40 GMT
#603
Good luck to moletrap i hope hes successful enough casting LoL that he doesn't have to cast sc2 anymore.
^O^
Warlord_Master
Profile Joined May 2010
51 Posts
April 17 2012 04:48 GMT
#604
man u guys have little to zero respect for veterans. hopefully moletrap u planned all this shit so u can hookup with kespa and ht the big leagues. Moletrap was the only one left before klazart quit so I will always respect him for dual commentating with klazart, to the very end gg bro. ty for ur video about airs/miss chance 50% instead of 33%(what many thought). MoleGasm!
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
April 17 2012 04:50 GMT
#605
gg moletrap. gl in LoL
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 17 2012 04:54 GMT
#606
I hope Moletrap isn't officially leaving GOM. It will put a smile on my face knowing so many people in this thread got banned expressing hate-filled joy, when in fact it was all done in vain.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
BlackCloud
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada154 Posts
April 17 2012 04:59 GMT
#607
kinda sad to hear if this is really true, the guy was a starcraft fan for ever, kinda shocking to hear him go to LOL but at the same time maybe he wasnt given the chances he thought he deserved casting SC2 with gom. GL moletrap tho, your casting put a smile on my face
Avril_Lavigne
Profile Joined April 2010
United States446 Posts
April 17 2012 05:26 GMT
#608
Wow, looks like a tonnnnnnnnnn of new starcraft players nowadays. Moletrap is one of the greatest casters of broodwar, a true veteran and to say that he is terrible is just ignorant. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I feel as though Moletrap has great casting capabilities.
entrust
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland196 Posts
April 17 2012 05:34 GMT
#609
I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world.
Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them.
Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit.
As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
aruken
Profile Joined March 2011
France348 Posts
April 17 2012 05:55 GMT
#610
moletrap leaves yet khaldor stays. go figure.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
April 17 2012 05:57 GMT
#611
I really liked Moletrap in BW. Best of luck.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
April 17 2012 06:05 GMT
#612
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote:
I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world.
Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them.
Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit.
As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.

It's his voice, and his constant WHOAAAAAAAAAAA OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO OHHHHHHHH that pisses people off. Every time he raises his voice I end up muting my stream because his voice makes my ear hurt.


I thought that was obvious no?

Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
April 17 2012 06:07 GMT
#613
I will always respect moletrap for his BW commentating even if there are others that can commentate better, they weren't doing it back when moletrap was.
bovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan208 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 06:13:43
April 17 2012 06:10 GMT
#614
I'll miss moletrap for GOM and sc/sc2. he might not be the best caster at GOM but he's definitely not the worst in my book.

Waiting on his reply. OGN would be sweet, just happy for him to stay in KR and do what he loves. though i wont be watching LOL even if he's casting.

Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that

Right on! that is proper commentating. Moletrap was the 1st to do this on GOM. Tastosis constantly ignores stuff like this. Wolf performs well in this area. I love hearing the background of a player and getting to know him and his style better.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 17 2012 06:51 GMT
#615
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote:
I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world.
Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them.
Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit.
As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.

Everyone knew he was getting his so-called "stats" directly from TLPD rather than actually knowing the players like Artosis, Wolf and even Khaldor do.
He was the caster with the least knowledge of the Korean scene, and the least knowledge of the game altogether. Seems like he lived off mainly of his BW knowledge alone, but that was not enough in the end and he had nothing to compensate for this (average-to-annoying voice, bad humor attempts). Moletrap's critics are hate-filled, yes, but they are so for a reason, there is no smoke without fire.

Now Moletrap was not the worst he could have been, imagine if he had been venting his BW background like HD does by calling every unit/building by its BW equivalent's name or calling Nestea "Zergbong", faking an old-school nostalgia every time. That would have been fun.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
April 17 2012 06:59 GMT
#616
good luck moletrap. I haven't watched any of your SCII commentary for Gom, but damnit you got me into broodwar with your unrivaled enthusiasm for the game. I hope OGN treats you well and I might actually check these Lol casts out. ;D
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
April 17 2012 07:07 GMT
#617
On April 17 2012 09:57 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 09:43 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
On April 17 2012 09:05 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote:
I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.

Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)

to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:

"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"

moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:

"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."

so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?



I disagree. There are many casters that have improved. While not everyone has had a dedicated thread about them, they get feedback in random forums and whatnot and almost always see it even if they don't reply.

Painuser is one example. When I first saw him, he was easily the worst caster, unless you played terran. He looooved talking about terran, observing the terran, and didn't have much knowledge about anything else. But (races, maps, players, scene) over time he has rectified it so his recent IPL cast was at least bearable. HD's casting has been discussed to death so I'll leave that alone, even though I enjoy him more than Painuser

Khaldor is similar, when I first heard him, I thought ugh, why... But over a span of months he developed his mannerisms and way of speaking into a better, more analytical caster.
They really do try to not say all of the "buzz-words" and whatnot
You probably don't notice, and I don't mean that in a rude way. It's easy to not pick out areas of improvement (And I am in no way saying that these casters are objectively good) but really, they really do listen- i am almost sure of that.

i'm not saying that caster's haven't improved. some of them have, some of them haven't. i'm saying that it makes no sense to me that any of their improvements came from constructive criticism threads based on the lack of quality in any of those threads. and i'm not so sure that they almost always see the criticism. i sure as hell wouldn't be reading a thread about me if i was a caster. what can you really expect? a whole slew of trolls who either hate you or love you and then a few people who can never agree on what actually needs to be fixed.

it would be impossible for them not to know what the general feeling of the community about them is, but that even furthers my argument that a thread would have done moletrap no good whatsoever. a very vocal, sizable part of the community hated the guy's casting, and i'm sure he was aware of that. why would he then go into a "constructive" criticism thread about himself populated by those same people who can't stand him? that wouldn't be good for him, it would be terrible! reading over a 1,000 posts about how bad you are would be bad for anyone's self esteem, even if they had rhino skin and a very healthy sense of self-worth. my advice to a caster would be to never read anything about yourself on the internet. they should know what they need to improve on without having to sift through mountains of bad posts.

some of them probably do check out the criticism threads every once in a while. some of them probably do try to keep some of that criticism in mind. i highly doubt that they have ever gotten anything really useful from a thread like that though.


I definitely agree that some casters stay exactly the same throughout their tenure at whatever organization they happen to be stationed at.
I also agree that the threads are full of people who are the antithesis of what the thread asks for- constructive criticism. Its either "I hate your casting" or "I love your casting" and you might have to hunt for some truly genuine posts from people who want to see the caster succeed, instead of either disappearing or remaining exactly the same.
Love it or hate it, CatsPajamas will always say "Old Generation Starcrafters" and Moletrap will always have his signature voice and style, etc etc.
And I also agree that Moletrap must have known about the mass of people who believed he lowered the entertainment value of GSL...

As for the threads being helpful/whether or not the casters view them I guess we would have to find out directly from them [the casters]
So yeah TLDR that seems pretty solid

Hope I mentioned moletrap enough to keep this on topic, because it does have to do with (speculatively) reasons for him moving on
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eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
April 17 2012 07:13 GMT
#618
I used to watch Moletrap all the time back in the BW days

GL!!!!
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 17 2012 07:13 GMT
#619
Will forever be remembered for his super girly "The nuke is gonna land on his armyyyyyyyyyy!"
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
April 17 2012 07:23 GMT
#620
On April 17 2012 15:51 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote:
I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world.
Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them.
Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit.
As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.

Everyone knew he was getting his so-called "stats" directly from TLPD rather than actually knowing the players like Artosis, Wolf and even Khaldor do.
He was the caster with the least knowledge of the Korean scene, and the least knowledge of the game altogether. Seems like he lived off mainly of his BW knowledge alone, but that was not enough in the end and he had nothing to compensate for this (average-to-annoying voice, bad humor attempts). Moletrap's critics are hate-filled, yes, but they are so for a reason, there is no smoke without fire.

Now Moletrap was not the worst he could have been, imagine if he had been venting his BW background like HD does by calling every unit/building by its BW equivalent's name or calling Nestea "Zergbong", faking an old-school nostalgia every time. That would have been fun.


What is wrong using TLPD as a caster? Loads of casters use it, its still by far the best resource for data on players. Who cares where the stats come from? He's not opening up Liquipedia and just showing you that. You make it sound like casters that prepare their casts, studying things like Liquipedia are doing something wrong? I hold only respect to casters that take their job seriously and actually knuckles down and prepares for their matches - Apollo is a great example of this; Hard work both playing, casting and studying stats improved his casting sooo much, and he regulary gives shoutouts to Liquipedia (which is much appreciated by the contributors).
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