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On April 17 2012 23:27 Mlex wrote:
I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
"It's ok to not like things, it's ok, but don't be a dick about it"
You can express your opinion in a constructive way, you know.
Good luck to Moletrap!
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On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote:
I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
Yeah, it did seem there was some animosity when they were casting together.
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Finally :D
I feel so bad for the LoL community now
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There goes any hope of moletrap returning to BW. I like moletrap, but not enough to make me want to watch LoL, unfortunately.
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I couldn't stand watching GSL games when Moletrap was casting, so I'm glad to see he's moved on. You have to get him some credit for trying, he always put in the effort, but for whatever reason I just didn't like his casting style.
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I was at first a hater, but then I grew to like his casting. His LoL casting is actually really good, too - I was watching the LoL tournament a while back, it's great.
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Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs is going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
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On April 18 2012 02:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs are going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
I disagree, I don't like to watch LoL. I hope Tastosis and Day9 won't start doing LoL and the best commentators stay with Sc2. I hope the Korean sc2 teams keep adding profitable LoL teams to minimize risk for their sc2 teams.
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On April 18 2012 02:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs is going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
Sorry, the best game needs the best commentators, not the biggest eSport. I will never watch a game of LoL because I find it extremely boring. Furthermore, Day9 and Tastosis actually like everything Starcraft, so I don't see them changing.
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Like a lot of people in this thread I assume he saw the bigger scale of things in working with OGN ( possible BW/sc2 casts) and I'm glad he found a place in the meantime in LoL ( lol probably forever since lol is becoming the biggest game in the world right now)
I personally never understood the blind hated towards him in the vod comments or even. Not alot of people in the industry who are better than him, while he isn't a artosis tier analyser he at least made the afford and provided some stats on the players he actually knew them.
I still remember the Gom-Sharade where Mr Chae asked Tasteless : "Startale's Ace Terran Player" and even after time was up he couldnt even name Bomber.
Good Luck to Moletrap!
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On April 17 2012 23:56 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote:
I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated Yeah, it did seem there was some animosity when they were casting together.
The problem was, Moletrap didn't cast well with anybody else, he frequently ignored his co-caster (try listening to moletrap and doa back when doa was casting, it was painful) and even made the same jokes his co-caster had just made a minute ago.
Considering I've never seen Khaldor act like that with any other co-caster in all of his casts I've ever seen, I'm inclined to believe Moletrap was the bad fruit in that combination.
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For those of you who are wondering how Moletrap is doing in LoL, from what I have seen the community mostly doesn't like his commentary, in the big fights he doesn't explain whats going down but rather just say things like "Huge damage going down!", also I find it that Torch happens to be correcting him a lot.
However I believe in due time as he learns the game more he will make an excellent LoL commentator, he has more hype and passion in his voice when he talks about the plays than most of the current LoL commentators, and this is something that I always liked about him. He will be commentating tonight at 7:30 KST for those of you who are interested to see him and Torch commentate.
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On April 18 2012 02:18 SuperFanBoy wrote:
For those of you who are wondering how Moletrap is doing in LoL, from what I have seen the community mostly doesn't like his commentary, in the big fights he doesn't explain whats going down but rather just say things like "Huge damage going down!", also I find it that Torch happens to be correcting him a lot.
LoL why am I not surprised
next he'll be doing Michael Bay explosions, "braaaaaaaash!!!"
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On April 17 2012 23:27 Mlex wrote:
I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
You clearly don't understand why the people have been warned then.
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wasn't this said like a month ago?
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I respect the work he did, but I can't say I enjoyed it. Wolf has set the standard for what other Code A casters need to live up to.
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As someone who got into broodwar from SC2gg.com It is always sad for me to see the people who have contributed so much effort to helping the community grow leave. I was never the biggest fan of your casting even in BW, but I appreciated all your effort.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote:I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters. Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster. Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well. Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract. (If you haven't seen it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323846)From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
The above post if full of BS about moletrap. When moletrap first started casting BW, his casting was HORRIBAD. Way worse than anything you see now. He cursed a lot too. He took a lot of the criticisim and changed, I heard him painstakingly change the way he casts over quite a few games. At some point I stopped listening to him regularly cast since I didn't like his casting as much as others. I can tell you that with much effort he has gotten better but I see no reason for you to bash the person. If you look at some of his earlier casting and his casting 2 years ago and his casting now, the difference is obvious.
All you have said Nibbler is a bunch of condescending statements with no evidence as far as I'm concerned. I agree with you that he's bad at casting, but to say that someone didn't even try because you've seen them to be bad now is just wrong. You're probably one of those people that think gold/silver players are just not trying hard enough and that's why they're so bad. Some people are just bad, no reason to say they never tried just because some other people are more talented.
On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote:
It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
Your post surprises me Chill. I thought you hated all people from SC2gg ever since I heard you in the BW casting competition things years ago. My respect for you has doubled.
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thank god.
User was temp banned for this post.
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So, did Moletrap ever release the youtube video explaining the whole situation?
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On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote:
I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
Yeah, this was the first thing that came to my mind when the news was broken. Why is Khaldor saying this, and not Moletrap?
And all Moletrap does is take a jab at Khaldor by saying "Funny how people assume that Khaldor's tweet is word for word literal" and not really explaining anything. A really awkward situation.
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