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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
April 17 2012 07:23 GMT
#621
Bye bye moletrap. I enjoyed his knowledge of the players. Sometimes I look code A players up on liquipedia because I have no idea who they are, Moletrap made that unnecessary. His voice isn't exactly the announcer type, but he was alright. I mean, the man's trying if he's looking up relevant player data before every single cast, right? He might just cast OGN's SC2 stuff too, don't know how I like that though. He's good for players I have no clue about, but I wouldn't want him attempting to analyze top notch play when ex-pros with plenty of game knowledge like Artosis can do so much better.

Now if DotA2 takes LoL's spot, we know who's at fault, yeah?
I kid hahahahaha.
Precipice
Profile Joined April 2010
United States121 Posts
April 17 2012 07:23 GMT
#622
Never had an issue with moletrap. Would take him over a lot of other people. Would also take anyone over Khaldor. Way too abrasive to hear someone (Khaldor) constantly make incorrect statements about the game while simultaneously critiquing/insulting some of the best players in the world.
Mastery is the fruit of repetition
tztztz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany314 Posts
April 17 2012 07:26 GMT
#623
there are 2 types of people, people with a passion for something, and people without. the fact that the people with a passion for something are outnumbered by 1 to 10 is already sad by itself, but you whats the saddest thing about the world we're live in right now? its the fact that the people without a passion for something, people who don't contribute anything, constantly trying to spoil the party for the people who do have passion and do contribute, to the point that they dont wanna do what they so anymore.

if you dont like something, thats ok, thats completly fine, but why isn't if sufficient just not to consume it anymore? why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.

casting a sc2 game is not the single most important thing in the world. if the caster is someone you dont like, tough luck, deal with it, accept the fact that the world is not spining around you, thats what grown up people do every day, dealing with things they dont enjoy. if you dont like it so much that you hate it and aren't able to watch it, seriously, there is something wrong with you.

everyone who is not completly stupid can see that the way this community treated moletrap from the beginning to the end was anything but fair.
ogrebutcher
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom11 Posts
April 17 2012 09:24 GMT
#624
moletrap was so shit at casting he was good and he made me appreciated tastoisis alot more!!!!

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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 17 2012 09:42 GMT
#625
On April 17 2012 08:33 Zealot Lord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote:
I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.

Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.

Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.

Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.

From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen.
I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.


Perfectly said, great post. And I have to agree that Tasteless is starting to drop off, I mean, I love the guy, but it just feels like his level of casting right now is every bit the same as when he first started (if not perhaps slightly deteriorating). I don't know why, but the things he says are getting more and more bland - I feel like he literally echoes Artosis too often nowadays (rarely do we hear him have his own separate opinions), and uses the same phrases over and over again.

Anyways, back to topic, I wasn't a fan of moletrap, but I appreciate his efforts and what he tried to do for the community, hope he does better in LoL. Did he ever state the reason for leaving SC2? That's what I personally want to know the most~

Repeating the same phrases over and over again has been a problem of Tasteless for years, even when he still casted BW for GOM. He is one of the few casters with charisma, even though he's not quite as passionate about SC2 as he was about Brood War.
AvengerAzrael
Profile Joined November 2010
Lebanon20 Posts
April 17 2012 09:57 GMT
#626
Problem is that no one is looking at the big picture. You lose little stuff and over time it accumilates. This is bad news because sc2 right now is declining faster than BW and people fail to realise that since they're too blinded by their passion to the game.
Blizzard made sc2 an impenetrable fortress and soon enough people will switch to the game with more flexibility.
xxAoPxx
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany25 Posts
April 17 2012 10:18 GMT
#627
My thoughts about Moletrap are just about the same as about Totalbiscuit: could do a lot of great things for esports with their dedication and drive, but definitely not by casting Starcraft 2.

All the best, hopefully LoL suits the guy better.
LegendLength
Profile Joined October 2010
19 Posts
April 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#628
On April 17 2012 16:26 tztztz wrote:why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.


For me, watching code A was unbearable. I mean literally unbearable.

Call me a troll, call me a hater, whatever. I could not watch code A when moletrap was casting.

Perhaps this is the wrong place to put this seeing as though moletrap has left GOM. But there seems to be a lot of people in this thread either:

A. Asking why so many people dislike him.

or

B. Implying there is some sort of noob hate culture that has no intellectual authority.

For A, my personal reason is I don't like his voice. I actuallly think I have a worse voice than moletrap yet I couldn't stand to hear that whiny, screechy voice.

For B, it's time to grow up and accept the weight of other people's opinions while avoiding logical fallacies.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
April 17 2012 10:36 GMT
#629
Sweet Moletrap, just as I have stopped watching sc 2 and getting more into LoL, DotA, and Tribes you switch to LoL casting. My favorite caster ever!

Can't believe I've been watching you for so many years now. Good luck with LoL and I will enjoy watching your casts still!
...
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
April 17 2012 10:47 GMT
#630
I hope we get an update from Moletrap or GOM today, nothing seems to be confirmed yet.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
SolidSMD
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium408 Posts
April 17 2012 11:11 GMT
#631
On April 17 2012 16:26 tztztz wrote:
there are 2 types of people, people with a passion for something, and people without. the fact that the people with a passion for something are outnumbered by 1 to 10 is already sad by itself, but you whats the saddest thing about the world we're live in right now? its the fact that the people without a passion for something, people who don't contribute anything, constantly trying to spoil the party for the people who do have passion and do contribute, to the point that they dont wanna do what they so anymore.

if you dont like something, thats ok, thats completly fine, but why isn't if sufficient just not to consume it anymore? why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.

casting a sc2 game is not the single most important thing in the world. if the caster is someone you dont like, tough luck, deal with it, accept the fact that the world is not spining around you, thats what grown up people do every day, dealing with things they dont enjoy. if you dont like it so much that you hate it and aren't able to watch it, seriously, there is something wrong with you.

everyone who is not completly stupid can see that the way this community treated moletrap from the beginning to the end was anything but fair.


lol, flatout wrong.
As stated before, moletrap was a product of gom towards us, if people don't like that product, they will
a) stop watching GSL.
b) complain about it.
What's the best solution for GOM do you think, if they want to keep their viewers?
There's also a lot of passionate people that watch GSL that just don't like Moletrap's casting, for whatever reason it is, and in our own passionate way, we're trying fight for better casters. Hard facts are, the amount of viewers that actually like Moletrap's casting are heavily outnumbered. Tough luck, deal with it.
Working on Starbow!
thexile
Profile Joined October 2010
8 Posts
April 17 2012 12:04 GMT
#632
Yahoo FINALLY!!!

P.S. Moderators, a warning to me please!

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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 12:14:08
April 17 2012 12:10 GMT
#633
Heard him solo-cast, he was pretty excellent at that. With Khaldor it often became a shouting match and neither came off well. To me he was just yet another scapegoat, a target for mass internet hate. It's easy to get caught up in that, just look at how people now talk about huk. One moment he's a hero, the next there's no end to the vitriol that people will direct at him.

Good luck in the future, moletrap!
Capook
Profile Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
April 17 2012 12:21 GMT
#634
Bring back Klazart for Code A.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
April 17 2012 12:49 GMT
#635
Hope you succeed at OGN. Never watched your SC2 casting, but I have fond memories of you in BW.
Some of the hate he gets seems ridiculous, but we were not much nicer with Klazart ont tl back then, so I guess nothing changes. Sad.
And yeah, I can see why a bw fan would much rather be casting anything on OGN than on GOM. Plus he will get a new chance with the LoL community.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 13:37:51
April 17 2012 13:06 GMT
#636
this is a bit silly though. khaldor has to tell us he's left. moletrap keeps taking about making a video to explain but isn't really confirming anything on twitter.

EDIT: just realised that he actually came to post on this thread, but without actually saying anything at all.
Mlex
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada324 Posts
April 17 2012 14:27 GMT
#637
I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
"Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber." | MVP: the Royal Roadblock, the King.
stkblee
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore129 Posts
April 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#638
I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
KingOfKangTheHee
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 17 2012 14:45 GMT
#639
ill miss this jolly ol chap
.Carnage
Profile Joined August 2010
United States99 Posts
April 17 2012 14:50 GMT
#640
His voice was pretty harsh to listen to, he seemed to have good knowledge of the game, can't say I'm exactly "glad" to see him go, wish him luck in his endeavors in LoL. God knows they need better casters, me and my ranked team sat in Mumble watching the LoL IPL4 cast and they said things that were flat out wrong several times every game.
He's just not the fastest zergling in the control group. -DayJ
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