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I was bored and started looking at GSL VOD view #s on gomtv.net and noticed that the 2012 GSL S1 VOD view #s are significantly higher than most of the 2011 GSLs
so I did some data entry and compared all the 1vs1 GSL tournaments and averaged the top 10 viewed VODs for each GSL tournament (note 2012 GSL S2 only has 9 available VODs so far)
for 2011, from GSL May to GSL Nov, the averages ranged from 145,692 to 95,843, and then comes 2012 GSL S1 with a date range of 12/19/2011 - 3/3/2012 and its average bolts up to 281,714 which is the highest average among all past GSL tournaments
now that got me wondering what are the reasons why the 2012 GSL S1's average is so much higher when the previous GSL tourney (Nov) owned the second lowest average out of all past tournaments coming in at 103,369
Is it really a case of people just not being SC2ed out during that time? Between the 12/19/2011 - 3/3/2012 date range, there was HSC3, MLG Winter Arena, the Lonestar event, and IEM tournaments (does this cover it). Out of those events, only the IEM tournaments are major live spectator events but IEM tournaments tend to not be given the same attention as a MLG or Dreamhack by the SC2 community.
Anyways, anyone got theories?
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because gsl actually has a good format now
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Last season was twice as long as typical so that could be a factor. Also did the idra vods contribute a lot? He has a large fanbase that can generate views win or loss
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Maybe because it's quite a bit longer than the previous ones?
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But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is.
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Aren't there more games now that Code S groups are bo3's. I don't know what methodology you're using but could it be as simple as "more games = more views".
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As I watch most of it live, I don't think I can really comment on the VOD views but GSL S1 2012 has definitely been the best GSL for a long time. It was definitely the most competitive and GSL really amped it up in terms of production value etc.
There was just something very refreshing about GSL S1 2012 and perhaps people who had stopped following GSL on a regular basis decided to go back and check out how it was doing and weren't disappointed.
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On April 11 2012 15:29 HaXeR wrote:
But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is.
It can matter since the vods are relevant to the current season longer. If you want to go back and look at a player's games from that season it can happen over a longer period of time.
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On April 11 2012 15:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:29 HaXeR wrote:
But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is. It can matter since the vods are relevant to the current season longer. If you want to go back and look at a player's games from that season it can happen over a longer period of time.
Your explanation is a bit confusing, but I've gone and checked the VODs, and it does seem that since the VODs from the group stages are grouped into one (and thus have "more VODs"), those seem to have the most VOD views.
If you compare say GSL Code S Ro32 Group A (336,477 views), to GSL Ro4, Match 2 (110,748 views), those two figures don't really make sense as you would expect more views for the Ro4 match.
The difference would come down to the fact that there are 10-15 VODs in the group stages but only 5 VODs in Ro4 match.
So yeah, if you want to do it accurately, you've got to find out how many VODs are in each set and average the views out, so that you have a true view count for each game/VOD.
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thats actually pretty impressive i must say
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I don't think you can read too far into those numbers, VOD's are there to watch after the event and people are either catching less of the live event in favor of the VODs or maybe the GOM player isn't working which I find common so VOD's get around that... the numbers although higher don't really say anything, maybe sc2 is growing but looking around we're losing it to LoL to be honest and I don't think VOD numbers is going to change that perception.
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How does GOM count views? A whole group is given one views number even though it consists of 5 Bo3s and potentially 15 videos. They could easily count each Bo3 or each video as a separate view and then it makes it difficult to compare across seasons when the formats are different.
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You might want to run the top 6 seasons against the "was Idra in it?" statistic.
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On April 11 2012 15:40 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2012 15:29 HaXeR wrote:
But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is. It can matter since the vods are relevant to the current season longer. If you want to go back and look at a player's games from that season it can happen over a longer period of time. Your explanation is a bit confusing, but I've gone and checked the VODs, and it does seem that since the VODs from the group stages are grouped into one (and thus have "more VODs"), those seem to have the most VOD views. If you compare say GSL Code S Ro32 Group A (336,477 views), to GSL Ro4, Match 2 (110,748 views), those two figures don't really make sense as you would expect more views for the Ro4 match. The difference would come down to the fact that there are 10-15 VODs in the group stages but only 5 VODs in Ro4 match. So yeah, if you want to do it accurately, you've got to find out how many VODs are in each set and average the views out, so that you have a true view count for each game/VOD.
The way I was thinking about it was let's say we have DRG and Genius in the finals like what happened. Well this season is so long, that I might not remember clearly how their games went and if I'm a big fan I might want to go back and check up on the old games to refresh my memory. since the season is 2 months long instead of 1, there is twice as much time for me to go back and refresh my memory. that's just a way you could say time factors in. If they are all grouped up though and the old seasons arent grouped for the group stage then, yea, you would have to go back and average it. Is that what you're saying?
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On April 11 2012 15:45 rename wrote:
You might want to run the top 6 seasons against the "was Idra in it?" statistic.
yea this is my second theory. every season IdrA is in is at the top for views. Are IdrA's vods the one contributing to the high viewer counts, though?
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On April 11 2012 15:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:40 pdd wrote:On April 11 2012 15:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2012 15:29 HaXeR wrote:
But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is. It can matter since the vods are relevant to the current season longer. If you want to go back and look at a player's games from that season it can happen over a longer period of time. Your explanation is a bit confusing, but I've gone and checked the VODs, and it does seem that since the VODs from the group stages are grouped into one (and thus have "more VODs"), those seem to have the most VOD views. If you compare say GSL Code S Ro32 Group A (336,477 views), to GSL Ro4, Match 2 (110,748 views), those two figures don't really make sense as you would expect more views for the Ro4 match. The difference would come down to the fact that there are 10-15 VODs in the group stages but only 5 VODs in Ro4 match. So yeah, if you want to do it accurately, you've got to find out how many VODs are in each set and average the views out, so that you have a true view count for each game/VOD. The way I was thinking about it was let's say we have DRG and Genius in the finals like what happened. Well this season is so long, that I might not remember clearly how their games went and if I'm a big fan I might want to go back and check up on the old games to refresh my memory. since the season is 2 months long instead of 1, there is twice as much time for me to go back and refresh my memory. that's just a way you could say time factors in. If they are all grouped up though and the old seasons arent grouped for the group stage then, yea, you would have to go back and average it. Is that what you're saying?
Nope, what I'm saying is the view counts are based on individual VOD counts.
So for instance there are 250-300k+ average for the Code S Group stages vs about 70-110k for the Ro4 matches. Judging by the sheer difference, I suspect it's just the fact that there are more individual games (10-15 in Group stages vs 3-5 in Ro4) in each video sets which makes the view count so high.
Which means OP's methodology is kinda flawed. To get an accurate comparison, he should be averaging out the view count with the exact number of individual games played in each set. So for instance there were exactly 5 games played in DRG vs Gumiho and about 110k views for it. That means each individual game had an average view of 22k (110/5). On the other hand, there were 12 games played in Group A Ro32, with 336k total view count. That means each individual game had an average view of 28k (336/12).
Hope I'm making sense.
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There's also the Yearly pass that was pushed so heavily before this season came out - I know that when I have had VOD access in the past, I'm MUCH less likely to stay up for the terrible timing of GOM events and watch them live, and with what I am sure is an increase in the total number of subscriptions, that could be a significant part of this change.
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On April 11 2012 16:04 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2012 15:40 pdd wrote:On April 11 2012 15:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 11 2012 15:29 HaXeR wrote:
But these values are average so it does not matter how long season is. It can matter since the vods are relevant to the current season longer. If you want to go back and look at a player's games from that season it can happen over a longer period of time. Your explanation is a bit confusing, but I've gone and checked the VODs, and it does seem that since the VODs from the group stages are grouped into one (and thus have "more VODs"), those seem to have the most VOD views. If you compare say GSL Code S Ro32 Group A (336,477 views), to GSL Ro4, Match 2 (110,748 views), those two figures don't really make sense as you would expect more views for the Ro4 match. The difference would come down to the fact that there are 10-15 VODs in the group stages but only 5 VODs in Ro4 match. So yeah, if you want to do it accurately, you've got to find out how many VODs are in each set and average the views out, so that you have a true view count for each game/VOD. The way I was thinking about it was let's say we have DRG and Genius in the finals like what happened. Well this season is so long, that I might not remember clearly how their games went and if I'm a big fan I might want to go back and check up on the old games to refresh my memory. since the season is 2 months long instead of 1, there is twice as much time for me to go back and refresh my memory. that's just a way you could say time factors in. If they are all grouped up though and the old seasons arent grouped for the group stage then, yea, you would have to go back and average it. Is that what you're saying? Nope, what I'm saying is the view counts are based on individual VOD counts. So for instance there are 250-300k+ average for the Code S Group stages vs about 70-110k for the Ro4 matches. Judging by the sheer difference, I suspect it's just the fact that there are more individual games (10-15 in Group stages vs 3-5 in Ro4) in each video sets which makes the view count so high. Which means OP's methodology is kinda flawed. To get an accurate comparison, he should be averaging out the view count with the exact number of individual games played in each set. So for instance there were exactly 5 games played in DRG vs Gumiho and about 110k views for it. That means each individual game had an average view of 22k (110/5). On the other hand, there were 12 games played in Group A Ro32, with 336k total view count. That means each individual game had an average view of 28k (336/12). Hope I'm making sense.
Yea I get what you're saying now. I agree with what you're saying
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There are a lot more games in each group play compared to the old format. I believe each click on a video (set) in a group is counted as a view. If a group has 15 videos and you click on all 15 of them, then that would be 15 views.
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The new format definitely made GSL more interesting. The amount of amazing games we had last season was pretty staggering compared to the seasons in which we didn't have the new format, and i guess that makes for more views.
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Better format leads to better games, interest in SC2 has grown, people know the players and have their favourites now > storylines develop (Genius/DRG, Prime/Startale). It's just better so more people watch.
They've also got some decent price points - relatively expensive (when you consider GSL/GSTL are seperate) but they have a monopoly in Korea so they get away with it. They'll be enjoying a serious amount of prosperity right now.
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I think the group stage ones have higher numbers because people come back to them and click through to the match they want to see. There is probably some bad accounting in cases like that.
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Amazing how a little adjustment in tournament format can change viewership.
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Assembly Winter was also held in that period of time.
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