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On March 12 2012 20:42 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:39 Cokefreak wrote:On March 12 2012 20:38 blackone wrote:
This "oh you're not from korea you get in for free" stuff is pathetic. I'd like people to prove they're able to compete in Code A and the qualifiers before they get to play in Code S. It's clearly a business decision to seed foreigner(s) into code A/S, GSL gets a lot more viewers when there are foreigners fighting! Maybe. It still waters down the competitive aspect. It's like seeding China into the World Cup every time because it increases viewership.
Money > everything else even in e-sports :/
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On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
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I don't understand why people are discussing merit of these invites. GOM have proven over and over again that they don't use achievments as the sole criteria for these invites. Fine if you think it should work some other way (or not have invites at all) but people bringing up records of Naniwa and such are strawmanning the entire issue.
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On March 12 2012 20:32 bana wrote:Show nested quote + 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it. No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game".
This would make sense, except for the fact that it wasn't a show match.
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On March 12 2012 20:44 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now. If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
You mean like Coca, a Code S zerg who is top 10 on the korean ladder? Oh wait, he didn't make it through the qualifiers.
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On March 12 2012 20:44 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now. If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors. Look at Jinro and his ego.
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On March 12 2012 20:41 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:32 bana wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it. No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game". They are when they have no prize money.
So, he got price money for it.
This would make sense, except for the fact that it wasn't a show match.
Of course it was a showmatch.
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On March 12 2012 20:46 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:44 blackone wrote:On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now. If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else. You mean like Coca, a Code S zerg who is top 10 on the korean ladder? Oh wait, he didn't make it through the qualifiers.
No, I mean like those who made it through Code A. That's why I wrote "qualify through Code A ", because I meant qualifying through Code A. It's actually not that hard to understand.
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On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots?
Like it or not, at least HuK had proven he was Code S worthy of multiple season after a Code A invite and definitely shouldn't be lumped in with IdrA/Morrow who lost all games after being seeded in Code S/Up and Down. Sen won some games too, and has consistently proven himself to be a top class foreigner. I don't think you can definitively say that Nani or Stephano are far enough ahead of HuK or Sen based off of records.
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On March 12 2012 20:46 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:44 blackone wrote:On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now. If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else. Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing Naniwa for accepting an invite, that's absolutely the right thing to do. I'm criticizing GOM for handing out invites to people based on nationality. (And no, not like every other foreigner. Like the ones who qualified through Code A. Am I speaking chinese or something?)
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On March 12 2012 20:49 bana wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:41 Kiyo. wrote:On March 12 2012 20:32 bana wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it. No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game". They are when they have no prize money. So, he got price money for it. Of course it was a showmatch.
There was no extra money for winning, so no extra benefit for taking the game seriously.
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Hats off to Naniwa! Get em Quantic!
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On March 12 2012 20:46 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:44 blackone wrote:On March 12 2012 20:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 20:34 zezamer wrote:On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote:
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner. And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL. So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now. If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else. Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors. Look at Jinro and his ego.
Didn't DRG get a seed and not qualify through code A? Look how that turned out :p
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Great to hear! Naniwa really deserves it for all the Code S players he's beaten at MLGs.
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On March 12 2012 20:51 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:49 bana wrote:On March 12 2012 20:41 Kiyo. wrote:On March 12 2012 20:32 bana wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it. No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game". They are when they have no prize money. So, he got price money for it. This would make sense, except for the fact that it wasn't a show match. Of course it was a showmatch. There was no extra money for winning, so no extra benefit for taking the game seriously.
He got money for playing all group matches properly, and not throwing games.
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On March 12 2012 20:08 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 18:50 Chenz wrote:On March 12 2012 18:44 Asha` wrote:On March 12 2012 18:35 Zzoram wrote:On March 12 2012 18:31 Asha` wrote:On March 12 2012 18:24 Zzoram wrote:On March 12 2012 18:15 Asha` wrote:On March 12 2012 18:10 Maenander wrote:On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote:
rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/ Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest. I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12. Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past. Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk. As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners. I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S. Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock. Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it... Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p) Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa. My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing. It was half a year ago that Naniwa had problems against Lucky in Code A. Much has changed since then, and giving him another chance doesn't seem that unreasonable, with being a top 3 foreigner and all. It's unreasonable because he won 2 games vs Korean Zergs finished 8th in a tournament and that's enough to make Code S? It's absolutely absurd. Violet finished higher than Naniwa at Arena, he beat more good players, he won IEM Sao Paolo and did well at IEM World Championships and Homestory but barely anyone is suggesting he deserves Code S. You'll get what you want anyway, Naniwa will go 0-4 and head straight back to Code A and then Code B as planned.
Naniwa says himself he don't think he deserves it. The reasoning from GOM is pretty obvious though, they want a piece of the foreign market. There probably is a few koreans out there who deserves it more but thats not really the point. They want to bring in money from the foreigner fanbase and the best way to do that is to bring in big foreign names.
About the Nani vs HuK, I wont get in to who's the most accomplished player but HuK had the seed last season and did not get good results. Droppong from code S to code A and code B and then get a ticket right back to code S would be a bit wierd. He will probably be up for consideration for season 3 though.
Btw, I'm reallly glad GOM let go of the Blizzard Cup insident and gave Nani a seed. Although I'm sure they would have picked another foreigner if they actually had a plausible option.
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On March 12 2012 20:53 bana wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:51 Kiyo. wrote:On March 12 2012 20:49 bana wrote:On March 12 2012 20:41 Kiyo. wrote:On March 12 2012 20:32 bana wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it. No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game". They are when they have no prize money. So, he got price money for it. This would make sense, except for the fact that it wasn't a show match. Of course it was a showmatch. There was no extra money for winning, so no extra benefit for taking the game seriously. He got money for playing all group matches properly, and not throwing games.
Please let's not start this discussion again, it was already done to death back when it happened.
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Can't wait to see what MarineKing can dish out this season, along with NaniWa and of course who could forget DongRaeGu? Going to be an exciting season :3
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I really don't get it - does PuMa just not want to play in Korea a la Stephano? I cant see this being the case. I mean, not to hate, but hes much more qualified than nani based on results.
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Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
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EPT
