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On March 12 2012 21:49 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote:
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back?
He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I.
But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
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If you add Sage, you get the 9 very best protosses of the world, without a doubt.
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On March 12 2012 21:49 ceaRshaf wrote:
So leenock is no good? And MC is bad cause he does 2 bad allins? Saying on a bad tone that protoss goes for 2 base allins is like a protoss would say in a bad way a zerg goes 3 hatch.
He beat Leenock is his worst match (but is still overall well down on Leenock in map score) and the Nestea series was a joke.
No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing.
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On March 12 2012 21:51 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:49 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 21:46 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:38 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote:
man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly. Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa? And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format. If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket. So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players. And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards. Anyone can win a single best of 3 or even two best of three's. It takes a truly great player to win enough in a row to actually win an MLG. Especially Naniwa who lets be honest 2 base all in's 80% of his PvZ and PvT's, you're going to win games playing like that. It's much more impressive to show the consistancy to win enough games to take home a 1st place than it is to beat a good player once.
Stephano is quantity over foreigners and Naniwa is quality over koreans. Sorry, I choose my pick. Stephano is still an underdog at this moment. He is a monster outside of Korea though.
No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing.
so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
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I hope GomTvT gets it newt time when Naniwa goes 0-X in the next code S season.
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I would have liked to see ThorZain try his hand at Code S. Let's see how Naniwa does this time. He has been showing some good games recently. Honestly, this foreigner mindset that Koreans have some intrinsic advantage is beyond ridiculous. They are any other flesh and blood human being like any other. Stop psyching yourselves out before you even play. If/when foreigners fix their mindset then we'll start to see a lot better results. (Also helps to have a good practice routine...and more folks should draw inspiration from Oov / Savior / Flash) Learn from the best, and take what they did and incorporate it. There is no shame in standing on the shoulders of giants. That's how we progress.
As long as the infrastructure exists in the west, we'll stay competitive, but I would really love to see a dominant Westerner emerge to challenge the Koreans. So many great storylines would be written. Where is the Sc2 Grrr.....? Is he among us right now?
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On March 12 2012 21:52 MMS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote:
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back?
He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result. You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
If he deserved Code S he would earn it.
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On March 12 2012 21:55 Wegandi wrote:
I would have liked to see ThorZain try his hand at Code S. Let's see how Naniwa does this time. He has been showing some good games recently. Honestly, this foreigner mindset that Koreans have some intrinsic advantage is beyond ridiculous. They are any other flesh and blood human being like any other. Stop psyching yourselves out before you even play. If/when foreigners fix their mindset then we'll start to see a lot better results. (Also helps to have a good practice routine...and more folks should draw inspiration from Oov / Savior / Flash) Learn from the best, and take what they did and incorporate it. There is no shame in standing on the shoulders of giants. That's how we progress.
As long as the infrastructure exists in the west, we'll stay competitive, but I would really love to see a dominant Westerner emerge to challenge the Koreans. So many great storylines would be written. Where is the Sc2 Grrr.....? Is he among us right now?
Thorzain played in Korea. He lost to Yugioh and went home.
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On March 12 2012 21:56 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:52 MMS wrote:On March 12 2012 21:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote:
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back?
He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result. You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S. If he deserved Code S he would earn it.
Why, for honor?
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On March 12 2012 21:52 MMS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote:
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back?
He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result. You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
Fact remains that he hasnt won anything apart from beating a few top koreans
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On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:51 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:49 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 21:46 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:38 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote:
man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly. Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa? And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format. If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket. So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players. And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards. Anyone can win a single best of 3 or even two best of three's. It takes a truly great player to win enough in a row to actually win an MLG. Especially Naniwa who lets be honest 2 base all in's 80% of his PvZ and PvT's, you're going to win games playing like that. It's much more impressive to show the consistancy to win enough games to take home a 1st place than it is to beat a good player once. Stephano is quantity over foreigners and Naniwa is quality over koreans. Sorry, I choose my pick. Stephano is still an underdog at this moment. He is a monster outside of Korea though. Show nested quote +No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing. so it take no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
Stephano won two major tournaments and made it second in assembly winter in tourneys with players like Polt, MC, MKP, Lucky...
That's way better than everything Naniwa did...Ret shold also get a code S seed since he beat MVP in MLG, right?
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these are the best choices they coudl have made imo. very excited to see what nani can do, his record isnt the best in gsl but a lot of those blizzcup games were real close. also good choice to give huk a up down seed after his great arena run.
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I wish Gom would give an explanation why they gave Polt and Naniwa the seeds.
I mean, I see their reason and I have no objections, however some sort of formal explanation would still be nice.
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On March 12 2012 21:56 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 21:56 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:52 MMS wrote:On March 12 2012 21:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote:
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back?
He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result. You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S. If he deserved Code S he would earn it. Why, for honor?
No, because he's had countless chances and failed them all.
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Was hoping for someone else than Naniwa, but I guess there were no one else that's not from korea who felt ready or wanted to move to korea.
I hope he plays some good games, and win a match or two.
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I was going to say it needs more zerg before I buy a season ticket but I'll be buying one anyway. <3 GSL
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Well good for naniwa, I dont really know why he deserved it, but I'm happy for him. I wonder if GOM thought the punishment for the probe rush thing has been too severe and are kind of making up for it? If anything a 1 season ban from code S is pretty fair punishment for that, which is exactly what it has ended up being.
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On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote:
so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
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On March 12 2012 21:57 JustPassingBy wrote:
I wish Gom would give an explanation why they gave Polt and Naniwa the seeds.
I mean, I see their reason and I have no objections, however some sort of formal explanation would still be nice.
Thought on hindsight, regarding tournament results of non-Code S players, I do see both Huk and viOlet before Naniwa.
You could argue that Naniwa beat the better players at MLG winter, but if you go that deep (in the analysis of the tournament) you might as well go one step further and say that his series against the zergs where more display of successful mindgames than display of skills.
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