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On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
On March 09 2012 16:17 tomatriedes wrote: So any bets on who the Reddit Lynch mob will take down next?
the next one that is stupid enough to pwn himself, maybe?
If you define "pwning oneself" as saying something offensive to someone else a during ladder game there's already plenty more to choose from if they care to dig and make an issue of it.
That's your opinion. The word was created on pure disrespect to degrade the african american populous during slave times.
Actually no, it is a mixture of latin word for black and spanish word for black. It is a horrible word and should not be used but it did not start out as a derogatory term.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
Isn't Morgan Freeman's point to stop it period, as in no one mentions the word nigger even black people? But on that note I don't think simply ignoring something will make it go away or stop.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
Just because Morgan Freeman is old and Black doesn't mean he's right.
(Kidding)
And you've completely misinterpreted his point. He's talking about abolishing all racial identifiers, period. I'm assuming he would take offense to the word nigger, not ignore it.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
This. Past is the past, if someone offends you, then don't talk or associate with them. Don't throw a tantrum and act like your life is over with. People who make offensive comments towards other people will eventually find themselves alone with no friends if they keep it up. If someone wants to be a racist, let them be it's their loss.
I cannot respect your post. Expecting universal condemnation of behaviour that does not conform to your personal values strikes me as a terrible thing. It is the sort of view i'd end a friendship over, that's how grotesque I think it is. How would you fare, I wonder, if everyone's deeply held values were elevated as norms, broken only on pain of condemnation? Not well, I suspect, after checking with my own values.
I also find you entirely inconsistent when you distinguish classic racism from the contemporary kind, while still holding that the words we use contain such bizarre, arcane nonsense as "the essence of absolute racism". Sure enough, he might inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes with his most likely thoughtless insults, but even bringing up racism (despite your best efforts not to call him a racist) and its remarkably heavy load, you associate his behaviour (in the minds of the community) with the very kind of racist we don't see too much anymore. After all, he is employing a word embodying "the essence of absolute racism" -- not the milder perpetuation sort, oh no! But then again, people don't rage nearly as hard about perpetuation of stereotypes as they do against anything that reminds them of Nazi's, apartheid and the Klan.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
That's where you're confused. The offense is NOT arbitrary. People being offended by the word 'nigger' -- even in a playful context -- is not random at all. It's a word will a deep history.
I get offended by the sheer arrogance of white nerds that feel they need to co-opt it. For what purpose? Shits and giggles?
Note that if we were hypocrites we would probably be rioting at your offensive use of "white nerds," but words are only a big deal when people make them a big deal. And if sheer arrogance is all it takes for you to be offended, probably the entire world offends you - should we shut it down to satisfy your delicate sensibilities?
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
Isn't Morgan Freeman's point to stop it period, as in no one mentions the word nigger even black people? But on that note I don't think simply ignoring something will make it go away or stop.
If ignoring an issue won't make it go away, then the issue will NEVER go away, so just accept it and get on with life. There are 2 options. One is to stop giving the issue attention and accept that people will say what people want to say. The other is to tell people how to live their lives. I'd take a racial slur every once in a while over Fascism any day of the week because one of these I can ignore.
On March 09 2012 16:34 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: If orb is smart, he'd review the contract right now. I see at least 2 things here: discrimination or outright breach of contract.
Mmm yes, your inside knowledge of his contract is very interesting. Must have definitely been breached since you see it.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
That's where you're confused. The offense is NOT arbitrary. People being offended by the word 'nigger' -- even in a playful context -- is not random at all. It's a word will a deep history.
I get offended by the sheer arrogance of white nerds that feel they need to co-opt it. For what purpose? Shits and giggles?
Note that if we were hypocrites we would probably be rioting at your offensive use of "white nerds," but words are only a big deal when people make them a big deal. And if sheer arrogance is all it takes for you to be offended, probably the entire world offends you - should we shut it down to satisfy your delicate sensibilities?
So in other words ... you have no defense or justification for using the word. That indeed it reflects people's arrogance. And their sole intent to offend others.
Sponsors don't really care about what their employees say. They only care about the paying customers' reactions to what their employees say. No one says much when Idra calls people faggots or queers on his stream, so neither do the sponsors. People make a huge thing of Orb using racist language while he's laddering, so the sponsors react accordingly (or at least, EG expected them to). And that's the whole point: If we, the paying customers, don't want the sponsors to exert pressure on the teams, we shouldn't exert our own pressure on them, and calm the fuck down.
Yes, clearly one of main things that are keeping SC2 from achieving mainstream status is casters and players using racial slurs in their private life. It has nothing to do with, say, the belief that video games are for nerds, or the fact that most players and casters look, act, and sound like nerds.
If you want SC2 to become truly mainstream outside of Korea, you won't just need to police the language of its public figures, you'll need to fire most of them, because most of them are nerds, and nerds are not mainstream.
Say goodbye to Artosis...
You are wrong twice. Sponsors really don't only care about paying customers (paying for what first of all), they care about getting new customers by increasing visibility. Being associated to insults in any way is counter productive for them.
Secondly, we already have video game shows, hosted by nerds. Nerds are mainstream now, and that doesn't even matter. As long as there is a Market there will be someone to seize the opportunity!
And finally, don't fuckin argue with me by changing what I said. When the fuck did I say that the ONLY thing holding e sports back was language issues???? I just said that it was a logical step towards main stream to start being more careful with the racial or homophobic slunders, and that it is mandatory that public figures start to watch out. Why you no read bro?
On March 09 2012 16:34 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: If orb is smart, he'd review the contract right now. I see at least 2 things here: discrimination or outright breach of contract.
Mmm yes, your inside knowledge of his contract is very interesting. Must have definitely been breached since you see it.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
Did anyone find first few paragraphs of defining of the obvious unnecessarily long? I guess it's the only time op can flaunt his African studies major smh.
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him.
It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic.
It's a word.
Words matter.
Accidentally asking for red paint when you want to paint a blue sky is when words matter. This is people arbitrarily taking offence at something. If I were to arbitrarily take offence at people taking offence, who then would be in the wrong?
The solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. There are numerous slurs that could be thrown at me based on my racial heritage, but not a single one of them would offend me. Allow me to counter your link with Morgan Freeman.
How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it. If someone says nigger, ignore them. Don't make a big deal about it.
If I call your mother a c--t in front of you and your family I have a feeling you'd get offended.
There's nothing arbitrary about being offended, you just are. It's involuntary
I've heard people insult my mother in front of me and to be honest I just felt sorry for them that they felt as though they needed to stoop down to the level of slinging insults.
EPT
