EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 65
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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MuB
United States95 Posts
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:12 Flobsen wrote: whats so brave about guilty white people who need sponsor money firing a lesser known caster? in the end it's all about the money and not the morals of a "black studies" CEO who has double standards just based on the fame of the offender. I like your statement. Where can i contact your sponsors to let them know? | ||
TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
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Heston
Canada18 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:07 jester- wrote: Except this isn't someone in the media. When the incidents took place, this is some dude playing video games in his parents basement. Does that excuse the usage? No, it doesn't. Honestly, you're going to sit here and compare SC2 game chat to the supreme court? You can't say fuck in the supreme court either, are we going to start banning casters for saying fuck or shit? I don't even want to reply to this because you don't seem to understand. "Oh by dumb nigger I only meant dumb person" This isn't at all in any way what I'm saying. You know what a curse word is right? Different people have different curse words, period. There is a world of a difference between using a word as a curse against an anonymous individual than a directed hate attack. Well what i get from your posts is that Orbs use of nigger is equivalent to any swear, but that's wrong. Orb has gotten into trouble before for using the word nigger so he knew it was wrong and did it anyway. What bothers me is you're trying to defend the context in which he used the word nigger, which honestly I'm wondering why you would use the word nigger to demean someone. As a blackman I feel Orb IS a racist for using the word nigger to try and degrade someone. | ||
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shadymmj
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other than that i find it hilarious that a bunch of white and asian guys can masquerade as a negro cs team, lol!!! | ||
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blamous
United States377 Posts
I am sad for Orb though because of how this community (mostly Reddit, but here too) continue to selectively cannibalise the people who they themselves raise to prominence. I do not condone the language, but even more troubling to me was the tremendous piling on, and purposeful, malicious, even maniacal drive to destroy this young man. It was EG's responsibility to handle and they weren't even able to do that on their own... I can't even imagine the pressure that EG (not to mention Orb!) has felt over the last 24 hours or so... Do you know who put Orb in the position to get a job with EG? You did. Fuckin cannibals. | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On March 09 2012 15:52 BlazeFury01 wrote: Did you seriously just write that? lol stupid... Anyway, there's no difference between when and where your using the word. The words sole creation was based on disrespect; regarding a person of a certain race. There are no variations to the word once you add the "er". There's only one definition for the word and overtime people have tried to make up definitions for it so they could have an excuse for using it when their inner racist comes out (ex: Destiny). Some people say the word could be to describe someone who is disrespectful regardless of race. But, I highly doubt when enslaved african-americans were labeled such a radical name that they earned it by being "disrespectful". It's a pure hate word and I encourage anybody using it to walk up to somebody who's african american and say it to their face. User was warned for this post Except there is a difference, plain and simple. In one situation, you are demeaning a black person by using a derogatory term you know is offensive towards that individual. In the other, you are typing out strings of text to someone sitting at a computer who's identity is unknown to you - and is likely sitting there laughing at how mad you are. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Same would go for players, it's rather a shame EG itself has one of those players. So it makes this topic a rather double edged sword, you judge on others yet perhaps have a look at your own ? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:08 branflakes14 wrote: The simplest solution is to stop being offended by words and grow up. Your post comes across to me as the kind of politically correct greywash that's stripping national identity from Europe. I don't agree at all with the decision to dismiss him. Actually, the simplest solution is for people that use offensive words to grow up and not use offensive words needlessly. The hope that you can somehow convince the world not be offended by a word like 'nigger', as in one day all the Black people in the world will wake up and decide to not find its derogatory use as anything less then ignorant and inflammatory just so you can have 'the right' to use it without getting slapped upside the head -- is beyond naive. It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic. | ||
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SedativeDev
Slovenia316 Posts
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Share_The_Land
Canada152 Posts
I won't go on too long but I really believe this to be an incredibly large overreaction based on the facts posted in the OP. I am by no means a fan of racial slurs in any way, but I am ALWAYS of the opinion that in cases such as this the public is far too quick to vilify somebody and attempt to disrupt their livelihood over what is in reality just a word. Alex himself says he doesn't believe Orb to be a racist, so if this is the case then why make such a big deal over the fact he used this word on the ladder in a rage situation. Maybe he just needs to be educated on the fact that there are many other words to use when raging that AREN'T racist but yea whatever. Just silly IMO | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:17 Defacer wrote: It's self-centered, arrogant, juvenile and moronic. It's a word. | ||
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bellz
United States20 Posts
After playing CS for about six years, I think it's pretty remarkable how mature the SC2 community is and how well the pro-teams and community figures police their own and each other's behavior most of the time. I think the running debate over the level of maturity in the SC community is healthy, but few people just how bad it could be without witnessing the self-destructive behavior of the CS community and just the absurd level of condemnable behavior at every level of competition. When I started playing SC2 and watching streams during the beta, I recall being confused listening to casters praise players for being well-mannered and learning that Idra was generally considered a bad mannered player for--gasp--not typing gg after losing. In CS, I can't remember one instance when a player was praised by anyone for his manners. If Idra played CS, he would have been considered a saint. The CS community was like the Lord of the Flies. Nerd ragers, trolls and e-thugs were simply commonplace. Most scrims and matches started and ended as a flame war between the teams in-game and on mIRC. Since getting away with hacking was easy, there was absolutely no trust between teams or recognition of a players skill unless it was backed up with LAN results (even then, quite a few pros with big LAN accomplishments were caught or widely suspected of hacking online). It's nice to see that the pro-teams are willing to set standards of acceptable behavior for their players and staff. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Words matter. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:18 SedativeDev wrote: who the hell is such a d..k for complaining this to sponsors of EG. U are literally killing e sports! Teams love you to tell there sponsors they are awsome, so why should you not be able to complain either ? (if it is valid ofc wich in this situation i do not agree on) | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:14 Heston wrote: Well what i get from your posts is that Orbs use of nigger is equivalent to any swear, but that's wrong. Orb has gotten into trouble before for using the word nigger so he knew it was wrong and did it anyway. What bothers me is you're trying to defend the context in which he used the word nigger, which honestly I'm wondering why you would use the word nigger to demean someone. As a blackman I feel Orb IS a racist for using the word nigger to try and degrade someone. I never said it wasn't wrong. It is wrong, but it's not wrong to the extent where tens of thousands of community members should be up in arms with a full fledged head hunt about it. If you take the logic from your first sentence and apply it to the second last sentence, you will see that he isn't trying to demean anyone, he's just essentially yelling bullshit at someone who pissed him off. Like I said before and what you verified in your first sentence, the use of the word nigger here, from ORBS point of view, is no different than him calling someone an asshole (or similar). | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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