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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:51 Silvertine wrote: There is no contest, nigger is the far more offensive term. How there are still people who don't understand that is a mystery to me. It's absolutely not. What make you so sure that this is the case is beyond me. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:55 the`postman wrote: There was nothing friendly about the way orb said it. exactly. orbs use if the word was with malice and was insulting. he was trying to put his opponent down by saying what he said. | ||
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Lupita
United States290 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:47 Chill wrote: It's just dumb. Orb shouldn't be raging and using slurs. Orb shouldn't have said anything and definitely shouldn't have lied. EG also shouldn't have done anything. Two days later, everyone would have forgotten. The people who declared they were boycotting EG would likely have kept doing what they were doing previous to this situation. Orb deserved a public shaming and a stern talking to from EG. Not this. And I think above all, people don't realize how much they can shape someone's life. The people who organized this situation are now going to keep doing what they're doing while Orb tries to rearrange his real life. I appreciate that he should have to take responsibility for his actions, but he didn't deserve this. As I've said before - keep burning your volunteers and soon you're going to find that you don't have any more. Completely agreed on all accounts. This really creates a slippery slope in my opinion, do we really think there aren't other players/casters/community members that have used this type of language before? EG has opened a can of worms by essentially allowing Reddit to influence them in a very extreme manner. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:53 knOxStarcraft wrote: Thank you Chill for saying it how it really is. Hopefully people will read your post and realise what they have done wrong and how they have really messed with orb's REAL LIFE in a bad way This isn't just a game anymore, it's moved WAY past that. There are millions of dollars in the scene, a few players make 6 figures. This is a business, no different from any other business in the real world. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
That being said, very well written response by E.G. making their stance completely clear, while not perpetuating the "witchhunt." | ||
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
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battyone
United States180 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:56 Orracle wrote: I agree with you. While I'm not a fan of Orb, they're blowing a minuscule problem out of proportion. The real issue in my opinion is the lying to his managers. And that issue lies completely unaddressed in Alexs and Orbs statements...this had nothing to do with even what was said this was all spin and money. | ||
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ShakaZu.Sc2
United States131 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:56 knOxStarcraft wrote: What about Destiny saying "nigger" and not being de-featured? Not relevant to my argument. I was not trying to make any statements on TL policy. I was only stating that TL has defeatured streamers for one word and has neglected to do so for other words, and that practice reflects the way that the two words are treated in society. | ||
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oBlade
United States5958 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:54 TheMute wrote: That really sucks... How the hell are random internet people able to ruin someone's life? x.x I think you've revealed a subtle irony here, among all the people lecturing about how people who use the anonymity of the internet to use whatever words they please will get what's coming to them, they don't realize they just assembled an anonymous mob and lynched orb with impunity. | ||
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QuasarStarcraft
United States46 Posts
Thank you :D that is all <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Well done by Alex. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:57 Lupita wrote: Completely agreed on all accounts. This really creates a slippery slope in my opinion, do we really think there aren't other players/casters/community members that have used this type of language before? EG has opened a can of worms by essentially allowing Reddit to influence them in a very extreme manner. community out cry always has a huge influence in how the world operates dude | ||
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Bildo
Australia13 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:47 Chill wrote: It's just dumb. Orb shouldn't be raging and using slurs. Orb shouldn't have said anything and definitely shouldn't have lied. EG also shouldn't have done anything. Two days later, everyone would have forgotten. The people who declared they were boycotting EG would likely have kept doing what they were doing previous to this situation. Orb deserved a public shaming and a stern talking to from EG. Not this. And I think above all, people don't realize how much they can shape someone's life. The people who organized this situation are now going to keep doing what they're doing while Orb tries to rearrange his real life. I appreciate that he should have to take responsibility for his actions, but he didn't deserve this. As I've said before - keep burning your volunteers and soon you're going to find that you don't have any more. Great post, perspective at it's finest. Oh and thanks Reddit.......... | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:56 SiguR wrote: Though the comedy of the situation surely must be noted. The ceo of the organization he just signed to happens to have a degree in black studies and social justice? baaaaaaad luck. I know! I know! I was thinking the same thing  | ||
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puzzl
United States263 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
Let this put the community on notice. You can no longer hide behind 'just raging' or 'gaming culture/vernacular' as an excuse to make these insults. The sooner the community grows out of this immature habit, the sooner we can hit the big time. N***** F***** Rape/Raped None acceptable IMO. Players and Casters take note. | ||
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cskalias.pbe
United States293 Posts
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:52 Euronyme wrote: Well in all honesty, caucasian has its own meaning, in that it means you're white. If you read on wikipedia, the name 'caucasian' was chosen because the scientist who came up with the naming during the 1800s thought Georgian men were beatiful. Yeah, exactly that's what I mean. The term "caucasian" was coined by a group of "racial scientists" who were basically eugenicists. They thought Georgians were the best example of the "White Race." The whole thing has been disproven and is just silly. edit:what I mean is there is no "White Race" | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:49 skatbone wrote: It's not simply about words and meanings...it's about the act of the using the n-word as part of a broader attempt to express disgust toward someone else. Orb was obviously not using it in the sense of black scholars who have demonstrated the manner in which a word with a negative connotation can be re-worked into a positive verbal gesture. Yes, meanings change. However, in a climate like that of the contemporary U.S. where, as Alex patiently discusses, racism continues to exist in very subtle, yet still incapacitating ways, the burden is on us to be vigilant in trying to understand how we continue to perpetuate racial inequalities when we are supposedly a post-racial society. Orb was using the word as it exists in gaming vernacular. Being vigilant does not include contributing to the perseverence and empowerment of an ultimate evil super word to demean a black person. I would think allowing the natural evolution of words and the passing of a black eye in American English history to fade into extinction the favorable practice than freezing the meaning in time and reinforcing the associated ideas and emotions associated with the word. Passing down a written and oral history associated with the word and persecuting any opposition to it benefits who? To what purpose is this being done? For the preservation of such an archaic and sad word? It's not worth it. And I can assure you this is an American problem. That word is specific to American English vernacular. The word does not have power over all black people as previously implied. It does not cross cultures and borders. Allow time to heal wounds and be intelligent about what is the meaning of words. Suggesting words have power is as stupid as suggesting there is a guy who throws lightningbolts or the sun is pulled across the sky by a chariot. | ||
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