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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST |
On March 09 2012 23:13 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:10 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 23:09 branflakes14 wrote:On March 09 2012 23:00 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 Greentellon wrote:On March 09 2012 22:54 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:52 Greentellon wrote:
Wait, people still get offended by stuff other people say? You are going to have seriously hard life ahead of you if you can't handle a couple of "offensive" words. i can handle being insulted but i think it is unacceptable that homophobic/racist language be used especially by people in public positions. If you have a complete lack of context awareness I guess you could think like that. I dont think context has anything to do with it especially with the words faggot and nigger, but you can carry on thinking what you want. You just proved yourself wrong by using those words in an exemplary context. Unless of course you meant to insult people with your post. ok if you want to be picky, calling someone a faggot or nigger is completely unacceptable in any context. So you should be banned for using it just now then? Context is important.
i havent called anyone a faggot or nigger you moron, what dont u understand?
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On March 09 2012 23:10 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:48 Gajarell wrote:
Let me get this straight,
Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc.
He didn't used nigger in any kind of race-related fashion.
He did this prior to his contract with EG.
He got fired because people rose a shitstorm of moral outrage, complaining to EG and their sponsors.
I'm feeling concerned about this witchhunt style of persecution, which makes me believe that you can get anyone fired/you can destroy anyones life for completly arbitary reasons if you just put enough effort into researching every inch of his life.
Due to the sheer lack of anything to condemn, i'm going to file a complain to EG and every single one of their sponsors, even if it's just to restore some kind of balance in the universe - -"
And btw i never got that disgusted by any kind of hypocrisy like in this thread. 100% agreed. I feel that had this been something that came up quietly, orb would have gotten off with a warning, just as Idra gets a warning whenever he uses poor language. But because of the witchhunt, it's clear that a warning would not be satisfactory and the only way to end the cries would be to get rid of orb. I primarily blame the immature reddit posters for making this such a huge deal in the first place, they could have done the same to probably over half of the current sc2 pros/casters if they wanted. I also disrespect Garfield for taking the easy way out and firing orb. Idra and Incontrol both use poor language and they aren't instantly fired for it.
When are people going to realize that the idra/huk vs orb comparison doesn't work because orb has been working for them for a very very short time as well as not providing enough return of the investment they put into along with the shit storm that was kicked up. The decision that was made by EG was the smart decision but I really hope Orb can continue casting and I hope that he can redeem himself to the community.
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ban racism - not words!
if someone uses "political incorrect words" without menaing to insult anyone you really shouldnt get upset.
this whole thread is an ridiculous overreaction.
seriously - i feel nothing but sad for everyone complaining about orb here.
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On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:again, more bull shit. how many years has he been offensive in this community? just because he has stoped saying the word a few months ago does not make up for the years of him being offensive in the first place. congratz, it took him all this time to finally come clean. and guess what? he is still BM as shit, he just doesnt use the strong terms like "faggot" anymore. but he is still immature, BM, and non respectful to most ppl on ladder. If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it. Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself." Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc. "Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
noun
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a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb.
what? have you read any of my posts?
my argument is that destiny can get away with shit like that which only happened 2 months ago but orb gets fired for something he said over a year ago when EG didnt even aknowledge his existance? why?
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IDK why all the outrage at scoots. The community left him no choice. He has to protect the brand. Its his job. If people want to know why orb was fired go find a mirror.
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On March 09 2012 23:16 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:again, more bull shit. how many years has he been offensive in this community? just because he has stoped saying the word a few months ago does not make up for the years of him being offensive in the first place. congratz, it took him all this time to finally come clean. and guess what? he is still BM as shit, he just doesnt use the strong terms like "faggot" anymore. but he is still immature, BM, and non respectful to most ppl on ladder. If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it. Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself." Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc. "Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb. what? have you read any of my posts?
what? your complaining about being taken out of context?
edit: oops different part of the argument
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On March 09 2012 23:15 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:11 imallinson wrote:On March 09 2012 23:09 branflakes14 wrote:On March 09 2012 23:00 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 Greentellon wrote:On March 09 2012 22:54 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:52 Greentellon wrote:
Wait, people still get offended by stuff other people say? You are going to have seriously hard life ahead of you if you can't handle a couple of "offensive" words. i can handle being insulted but i think it is unacceptable that homophobic/racist language be used especially by people in public positions. If you have a complete lack of context awareness I guess you could think like that. I dont think context has anything to do with it especially with the words faggot and nigger, but you can carry on thinking what you want. You just proved yourself wrong by using those words in an exemplary context. Unless of course you meant to insult people with your post. There is a huge difference between using it as an insult and talking about it in a general sense. A contextual difference, you could say.
Or between using the word as a substantive and adjective. But what does this have anything to do with anything anyway? You're basically arguing semantics that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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On March 09 2012 23:07 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:03 Tobberoth wrote:On March 09 2012 23:01 DR.Ham wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Tobberoth wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:38 Tobberoth wrote:On March 09 2012 22:35 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 Tobberoth wrote:
What people need to realize is that "gay" and "nigger" are already insults like "retard" or "dumbass". Yeah, they became insults because of homophobia and racism, people who hated black people called people they disliked "nigger" as an insult. That doesn't mean someone today using those words as insults are racist or homophobic, they are just using known insults. If you call someone "idiot", do you literally think of "a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25."? No? Because that is what it means and where the insult comes from. But you don't know that, you just need an insult and say what comes to mind. Same with people who use "nigger" as an insult, they aren't literally saying "you're bad, so you're a nigger because blacks are bad and so are you", they are just using an insult which they consider strong. I think retard is a stronger insult than idiot, but if you go by the historical meaning of the terms, idiot is actually far worse. But we DON'T go by historical meanings. They are still racist and homophobic just stop being biggoted and realise that >.> . No they aren't. You're misunderstanding their use of language and attributing views to them they might very well not have. i understand they may not mean it in a homophobic sense but the word itself is homophobic and downgrading. That is subjective. Saying someone is "gay" as an insult doesn't have to be homophobic, even though it certainly could be in some contexts. We can all agree that it's because of homophobia that the word is even considered an insult, but this is historical fact and it's subjective how much we have to respect that. Personally, I feel like we should try to stop words from becoming insults based on such things as racism, homophobia and antifeminism... but I feel it's WAAY to late to do anything about "gay" and "nigger", those words have been considered insults for longer as we've been alive. All you have to do is accept that they are mere insults, and the problem basically disappears, until people become really offended and sensitive about it. Isn't this just blaming the victim (the people who are offended) rather than the perpetrator (the people using racist/homophobic language)? My whole point is that it isn't racist/homophobic language just because that's the etymological history. People use these words as generic insults because they are used as generic insults, that's how language evolves and it's perfectly natural. "Words have no objective meaning so we can use whatever words we want." That's what you're saying and it is patently silly. Sure, language "evolves" but it clearly has not evolved that far yet. Stop trying to justify using hateful language.
Orb isn't a racist, I think the majority of people here agree, including Alex himself. He used the word as a generic insult, he did not intend racism with it. That proves that it has evolved far enough and it's hardly "patently silly" to make such a case. You can make the case that it's still a controversial word and care should be taken not to use it, but that's hardly justification for firing someone, especially not when it was in the past.
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On March 09 2012 23:16 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:again, more bull shit. how many years has he been offensive in this community? just because he has stoped saying the word a few months ago does not make up for the years of him being offensive in the first place. congratz, it took him all this time to finally come clean. and guess what? he is still BM as shit, he just doesnt use the strong terms like "faggot" anymore. but he is still immature, BM, and non respectful to most ppl on ladder. If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it. Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself." Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc. "Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb. what? have you read any of my posts?
I have.
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You're raising Destiny's behaviour to excuse Orb's behaviour. Both are unacceptable. If you feel Destiny isn't being punished for his behaviour, contact his team/sponsors, make a thread about it, post it in his feedback thread, etc.
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There's so much ignorance in this thread it hurts my brain. I guess i shouldn't expect anything less from the internet, especially in a place that is primarily full of kids. A lot of people really do sound like they haven't entered the real world yet.
I'm glad someone with such a significant role in the community shares similar core values and is prepared to stand by them.
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CoCa was sanctioned way harder for way less so I don't think it is an overreaction by EG
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/r/starcraft must be the most hypocritical community ever. They are so uptight and PC about everything. They are like white knights feeding out of drama and when they get their weekly witch hunt and the shitstorm is in rolling they completely change from white knights to some kind of basement dwelling retards with the mentality of teenage girls that writes comments on Justin Bieber videos on Youtube. They really do everything they can to fuck with someones life. Too bad they can't keep their shit on reddit instead of bringing it here to TL too.
Meanwhile they admire players like IdrA and Destiny, two people that are famous cuz of their language and actions. A language that are nothing different from what Orb used in those ladder games.
Stay classy /r/TMZ...
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On March 09 2012 23:18 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:16 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:again, more bull shit. how many years has he been offensive in this community? just because he has stoped saying the word a few months ago does not make up for the years of him being offensive in the first place. congratz, it took him all this time to finally come clean. and guess what? he is still BM as shit, he just doesnt use the strong terms like "faggot" anymore. but he is still immature, BM, and non respectful to most ppl on ladder. If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it. Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself." Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc. "Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb. what? have you read any of my posts? I have.
if u have then answer the second part of my question instead of just quoting one portion of it?
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It's hard to keep sponsors and act as a legitimate company when incidences like this hinder us moving forward with E-Sports...
Think about all the companies involved before saying "OHHH IT'S JUST A WORD!"
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On March 09 2012 12:50 kibeth wrote:
I actually find your post overly condescending and obnoxious, and I like EG as an organization.
It's kind of like if I stole a toy from a grocery store when I was 8. Later in life I work there, and somehow someone finds out that a decade ago I stole a 99cent toy, and I was fired. Sounds ridiculous right?
I kind of had this exact feeling when I read this lol... Oh well, go EG I guess t.t... I will miss Orb.
On March 09 2012 12:54 TheSwamp wrote:
I did not realize Orb was eight when this all happened.
Did you also fail to realize that Orb wasn't even a CASTER at the time those pictures of him saying those words were taken?
Yeah Alex Garfield claims on Twitter that he gives IdrA a slap on the wrist every time he hears about him saying the word "f*ggot", however he certainly doesn't immidiately get rid of him, IdrA has used that word alot during his years.
It's almost like if that CS team from 2003 would've acted as if they were a homosexual team instead he would've kicked IdrA for f*ggot and kept Orb for n****er. I think that's the point Kibeth was trying to make when he wrote his post, I might be mistaken though.
It is honestly pretty disturbing how Alex Garfield makes such a political post about this matter but honestly doesn't do anything but tell IdrA to tone it down or stop when he uses the word f*ggot, ontop of that he also writes this in the end of his post...
...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community .
Well, as much as I love IdrA, you have the choice here Alex, why don't you take the first step and get rid of that "homophobic" guy from our community?
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On March 09 2012 23:20 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:18 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:16 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it.
Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself."
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"Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb. what? have you read any of my posts? I have. if u have then answer the second part of my question instead of just quoting one portion of it?
I prssed on [quote] and that's all that popped up. Anyways, I edited the reponse now.
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On March 09 2012 23:18 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:16 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:14 plogamer wrote:On March 09 2012 23:08 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On March 09 2012 23:04 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:59 ePLocust wrote:On March 09 2012 22:55 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 22:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:again, more bull shit. how many years has he been offensive in this community? just because he has stoped saying the word a few months ago does not make up for the years of him being offensive in the first place. congratz, it took him all this time to finally come clean. and guess what? he is still BM as shit, he just doesnt use the strong terms like "faggot" anymore. but he is still immature, BM, and non respectful to most ppl on ladder. If it bothers you so much that Idra only recently cleaned up his language and you aren't satisfied with the situation, go complain to EG's sponsors about it. Just drop the ridiculous "he's still BM" argument because it makes you look silly and childish. By your standard the majority of players in every sport are immature, BM, and non-respectful, and much more so than Idra, trash-talk on an NBA court or an NFL field is a lot harsher than "You should be ashamed of yourself." Orb got fired for using a nowadays completly generic curse/insult - like faggot, asshole, noob, retard etc. "Nigger" and "faggot" aren't generic curses / insults just because you use them that way. That's what the "cultural standards" part of the OP was about. holy fuck. let me spell it out for you. orb has cleaned up his language as of late and he is VERY professional with his commentary. he hasnt been nearly as BM as he was in the past where these screenshots come from. EG still fires him despite orb going/trying to go clean. keep being biased bro. I know it seems silly but in the real world things that you do and say in the past can and will come back and haunt you this is just an example of this. What I'd like to see is Orb keep casting on his own and really focusing on proving that he's cleaned up and I can forgive him. I agree with the decision made by Alex Garfield and EG here when someone is a recent hire you aren't invested heavily enough in them to keep them in the kind of shit storm that was whipped up. funny, because it hasnt haunted destiny yet, only made him money. even after the mia rose incident he is still on quantic. same for idra. but w/e. What happened? with mia Rose. basically sexually harrassed her LIVE on stream back in january. he constantly grabbed her boobs despite her obviously being uncomfortable with it and saying to stop it many times. but everyone batted an eye tot hat. go figure. this community makes me laugh honestly. I didn't know about it. And It is wrong and unacceptable of Destiny. But stop using it as an excuse. If you really believe that Destiny behaved inappropriately, then condemn that behaviour, dont hypocritically raise it to defend another person's behaviour. hyp·o·crite
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a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. Don't pretend like you care about Destiny's behaviour. I do, and I don't watch Destiny's stream. I also publicly condemn his behaviour on this thread. See, no different than what I did with Orb. what? have you read any of my posts? I have. /edit You're raising Destiny's behaviour to excuse Orb's behaviour. Both are unacceptable. If you feel Destiny isn't being punished for his behaviour, contact his team/sponsors, make a thread about it, post it in his feedback thread, etc.
its been done already, nothing happened because destiny has tons of fans. its been done with idra aswell but nothing has happened because he makes EG money. it happens with orb and he is fired because he is a nobdy. do you now get it? do you now see how stupid the community is?
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As I said before, EG, of course, is free to hire and fire people as they wish, but after some more contemplation, I can't hide that I'm personally disappointed with EG (yet again). In a case that revolves around what usually would be called "progressive thinking" (though I dislike the term, as I find it absurd and relative), issuing any kind of irreversible punishment is disturbing. The whole premise of overcoming any kind of bigotry and segregation is the belief in the human ability to adapt, change, evolve and not be set in stone by the past. In view of this, I find it disheartening to see doors being closed forever, for anyone, even for a murderer, let alone for a verbal abuser. That's not a sign of purity of principles, but rather a sign of fear and weakness. It took me some time to realize what was it that I found so subtly disturbing in EG's official position, and then I realized it was this.
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An over-reaction for sure. I respect you desicion but I wouldn't be willing to bet that orb doesn't have a case against EG for unfair dismissal.
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