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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
February 29 2012 22:49 GMT
#901
Tolerance and Acceptance of behavior like this is probably why the foreign scene will never be able to be taken seriously. which is why Korea was successful and the foreign scene were not. Since everything is a troll and a joke right?
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GatorGar
Profile Joined December 2011
Somalia77 Posts
February 29 2012 22:50 GMT
#902
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?
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TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
February 29 2012 22:50 GMT
#903
On March 01 2012 07:49 Blasterion wrote:
Tolerance and Acceptance of behavior like this is probably why the foreign scene will never be able to be taken seriously. which is why Korea was successful and the foreign scene were not. Since everything is a troll and a joke right?


Show me all of the tolerance and acceptance going on in this thread, I must have missed it.
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creamer
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada128 Posts
February 29 2012 22:51 GMT
#904
Take another example: If someone calling an NFL game mocked for instance Plexico Burress for accidentally shooting himself (he was actually mocked this year by a player; I believe the player was fined but don't quote me). This commentator would be fired without any chance of explaining himself.

Somethings just are not meant to be said and this is a clear example. SC2 is striving to become recognized as a legitimate and professional contest and has no room for a lack of professionalism as seen here. In this case, not only does Katu initiate this, he continues it for a quarter of an hour afterwards and continues to antagonize the viewers that bring in revenue for his employer. Yes, the SC2 community is sensitive, and it is not uncommon for you to find ~50 people whining about spoilers on any giving thread but this has nothing to do with sensitivity. This is a legitimate issue and Katu has to suffer the consequences.

Also, the Playhem daily is actually a really great show with good quality streaming and high level games. It's also provided daily (hence the name) and free. I will continue to watch the show as I find it a nice way to end my night. That said, I believe Katu should make a public apology because it seems to be the right thing to do, and he should at the very least take a break from casting playhem.

That's all.

PS: Has he made an apology yet?
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fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 22:54:31
February 29 2012 22:53 GMT
#905
On March 01 2012 07:50 GatorGar wrote:
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?


Once again with this the ammount of brightness in this thread is minimal..so no..they haven't thought of that, theycan't put two and two together ]= And yes Katu has made a public apology, its' in the OP :3
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creamer
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada128 Posts
February 29 2012 22:54 GMT
#906
On March 01 2012 07:50 GatorGar wrote:
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?


This double standard exists in every sort of competition. News anchors and sports casters are fired all of the time for making comments outside of boundaries. Athletes do disgraceful things all the time: Michael Vick (dog fighting), Plexico Burres (accidentally wounded himself with a firearm in a club). This is the way it is and the way it shall remain. Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?

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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 29 2012 23:00 GMT
#907
On March 01 2012 07:46 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 06:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On March 01 2012 06:38 fAnTaCy wrote:
The ammount of brightness in this thread is minimal..and it makes me very sad ): id go on a little rant but I enjoy having never been banned before so I'd like to keep it that way for now. But anyway..this has gotten out of hand..people are overreacting too hard over something that has been said as fact and completely stupid.

It's a bit of the whole "the vocal minority" thing.

I've received plenty of messages making sure Katu will continue to cast with us in the future, and he's gotten a lot of support on his Twitter. I wouldn't worry about his career coming to an end or anything.


So you decided to remove him for some time from your events which, to my knowledge, got nothing to do with Playhem, only because of a vocal minority? Wow, someone said overreaction?

I did not decide to remove him. We mutually agreed that it would be wise for him to take a brief vacation.
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SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
February 29 2012 23:01 GMT
#908
Katu went overboard, but as long as he is sorry and acknowledges his mistakes he should get another chance. If everyone got fired anytime they made a mistake or acted unprofessionally no one would have a job.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
February 29 2012 23:01 GMT
#909
On March 01 2012 07:50 GatorGar wrote:
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?


How about learning to read this thread instead of jumping the gun? Katu did this before; he indirectly attacked destiny during one of the playhems with homosexual talks. He was forgiven, but not this time. Insulting a player is always a crime for sports as the players are the ones who put in the hard work to train for tournaments. By insulting them, you're not respecting the hard work they put in. Same as dragon. Katu disrespected dragon's hard work by claiming that he was stream cheating (this part negligible as he was really joking about this) but further claims on dragon getting the boot from slayers is because he cheated was totally uncalled for.
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 23:02:18
February 29 2012 23:01 GMT
#910
On March 01 2012 07:50 GatorGar wrote:
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?

Same forgiveness as in a couple of months in the freezer, fired from your employer, public uproar when he gets back to casting after that and the burden of shame for years to come? Nah I don't think anyone here wants that, but he has deserved to be named and shamed a little.
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
February 29 2012 23:02 GMT
#911
So I guess of I want to get my name in the public spotlight, I should start trolling people.
"let your freak flag fly"
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
February 29 2012 23:08 GMT
#912
On March 01 2012 08:02 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
So I guess of I want to get my name in the public spotlight, I should start trolling people.


Killing or raping them would be even more effective.
GatorGar
Profile Joined December 2011
Somalia77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 23:09:22
February 29 2012 23:08 GMT
#913
On March 01 2012 07:54 creamer wrote:
Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?


That's a valid point. One can make the case that casters themselves are viewed by far more fans than the actual players; Katu was casting probably 15 or more different players during each Playhem, and as a result he carries more weight in terms of how our sport is viewed.

Michael Vick is an inaccurate example; his antics occurred off the field and did not increase his odds of winning the game.

Riddle me this:

What would the NFL do if they found out one of their quarterbacks paid off referees to get favorable calls during a game to try and win? PERMANENTLY SHITCAN HIS ASS!

Dragon's cheating compares much more closely with my example than with yours about Vick. If you can forgive Dragon, you can forgive Katu.
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
February 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#914
On March 01 2012 08:08 GatorGar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 07:54 creamer wrote:
Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?


That's a valid point. One can make the case that casters themselves are viewed by far more fans than the actual players; Katu was casting probably 15 or more different players during each Playhem, and as a result he carries more weight in terms of how our sport is viewed.

Michael Vick is an inaccurate example; his antics occurred off the field and did not increase his odds of winning the game.

Riddle me this:

What would the NFL do if they found out one of their quarterbacks paid off referees to get favorable calls during a game to try and win? PERMANENTLY SHITCAN HIS ASS!

Dragon's cheating compares much more closely with my example than with yours about Vick. If you can forgive Dragon, you can forgive Katu.


Sorry but can you link me to this proof that Dragon was caught cheating in a tournament match?
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 23:21:51
February 29 2012 23:20 GMT
#915
On March 01 2012 08:16 Tektos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 08:08 GatorGar wrote:
On March 01 2012 07:54 creamer wrote:
Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?


That's a valid point. One can make the case that casters themselves are viewed by far more fans than the actual players; Katu was casting probably 15 or more different players during each Playhem, and as a result he carries more weight in terms of how our sport is viewed.

Michael Vick is an inaccurate example; his antics occurred off the field and did not increase his odds of winning the game.

Riddle me this:

What would the NFL do if they found out one of their quarterbacks paid off referees to get favorable calls during a game to try and win? PERMANENTLY SHITCAN HIS ASS!

Dragon's cheating compares much more closely with my example than with yours about Vick. If you can forgive Dragon, you can forgive Katu.


Sorry but can you link me to this proof that Dragon was caught cheating in a tournament match?


The controversy i think people are referring to is in his liquipedia page, under controversy.
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
February 29 2012 23:24 GMT
#916
On March 01 2012 08:08 GatorGar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 07:54 creamer wrote:
Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?


Dragon's cheating compares much more closely with my example than with yours about Vick. If you can forgive Dragon, you can forgive Katu.


Of course, check back with the community in 18 months and we'll see if Katu's been forgiven to the same degree as Dragon has been at this point. I'd wager yes, by all five of us who'll remember him.

Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 23:31:34
February 29 2012 23:29 GMT
#917
On March 01 2012 08:20 Prplppleatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 08:16 Tektos wrote:
On March 01 2012 08:08 GatorGar wrote:
On March 01 2012 07:54 creamer wrote:
Did you ever think it's like this for a reason? And do you think SC2 has a chance of making it to the main stage of entertainment if we'll be letting shit like this off the hook?


That's a valid point. One can make the case that casters themselves are viewed by far more fans than the actual players; Katu was casting probably 15 or more different players during each Playhem, and as a result he carries more weight in terms of how our sport is viewed.

Michael Vick is an inaccurate example; his antics occurred off the field and did not increase his odds of winning the game.

Riddle me this:

What would the NFL do if they found out one of their quarterbacks paid off referees to get favorable calls during a game to try and win? PERMANENTLY SHITCAN HIS ASS!

Dragon's cheating compares much more closely with my example than with yours about Vick. If you can forgive Dragon, you can forgive Katu.


Sorry but can you link me to this proof that Dragon was caught cheating in a tournament match?


The controversy i think people are referring to is in his liquipedia page, under controversy.

Exactly, there isn't proof of straight up cheating only the use of a smurf account in a tournament. It is all very hazy and in all honesty to do what Katu did without cold hard facts is just wrong.

"he then replied that "he was sorry for what he had done" but didn't go into detail which parts of the allegations were true"
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
February 29 2012 23:44 GMT
#918
On March 01 2012 08:01 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 07:50 GatorGar wrote:
I like how if a professional player stream cheats all is forgiven but if a caster shows some bias towards a player one time he is burned at the stake. I like that. Good job for setting bullshit double standards community. Maybe you should show Katu the same forgiveness that you showed Dragon. Ever think of that?


How about learning to read this thread instead of jumping the gun? Katu did this before; he indirectly attacked destiny during one of the playhems with homosexual talks. He was forgiven, but not this time. Insulting a player is always a crime for sports as the players are the ones who put in the hard work to train for tournaments. By insulting them, you're not respecting the hard work they put in. Same as dragon. Katu disrespected dragon's hard work by claiming that he was stream cheating (this part negligible as he was really joking about this) but further claims on dragon getting the boot from slayers is because he cheated was totally uncalled for.

yeah, but dragon is a stream cheater. all the dragon fanboys in this thread pretending hes some kiind of angel. he definitely has stream cheated in the past, and he does silly little things like laddering accounts for money on his stream, which while not really serious, is still kind of bad
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
February 29 2012 23:48 GMT
#919
Did Dragon respond whether or not he'll accept the invite to IPL?
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 00:08:46
March 01 2012 00:06 GMT
#920
It disgusts me how many people are getting on Katu's back. I have been enjoying his casts and will continue to do so. He's done NOTHING wrong. The guy has a history of stream cheating and got called out on it. Nothing wrong there. All you gotta do is be involved in questionable "stuff" and you're liable to be called a cheater forever. As a fair player, I have no problem.

MOLETRAP is the one who should really be taken down for this. He constantly calls the players "bad."
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