EPTAnd Katu gets bashed for this? Okay, it wasn't funny and was in bad taste but the uproar is ridiculous
PLayhem TV Disgrace Katu - Page 43
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
And Katu gets bashed for this? Okay, it wasn't funny and was in bad taste but the uproar is ridiculous | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:44 frucisky wrote: I don't get the big deal. Tastosis make plenty of rather bashful jokes too - TheBest banshee control, BitByBit etc. And Katu gets bashed for this? Okay, it wasn't funny and was in bad taste but the uproar is ridiculous Artosis have said some pretty harsh stuff about HongUn also. People will just ignore alot more if its by their favorite casters | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:46 ragnorr wrote: Artosis have said some pretty harsh stuff about HongUn also. People will just ignore alot more if its by their favorite casters Agreed, what katu did was wrong, but the way people are pulling the pitchforks is just ridiculous! | ||
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CreatureSC2
United States156 Posts
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:46 ragnorr wrote: Artosis have said some pretty harsh stuff about HongUn also. People will just ignore alot more if its by their favorite casters It's even more remarkable that some people can't see the difference in criticizing someone's play and accusing someone for cheating. | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:46 ragnorr wrote: Artosis have said some pretty harsh stuff about HongUn also. People will just ignore alot more if its by their favorite casters There are a few areas you just shouldn't touch if you're speaking publicly - things like family, or honour - unless you want to create an unpleasant controversy. Casters usually avoid crossing that line, Katu didn't. That's why it is different, not popularity. | ||
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ETisME
12711 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:23 Roxor9999 wrote: He couldn't sue him we have free speech here. freedom of speech does not equal to you can say whatever you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation In this case, if I can still recall well from my law unit, Dragon can in fact sue him for it because many of the statements were baseless and wrong while it could mislead other people to think that he might had stream cheated in that game AND he was banned from Code A and kicked from SlayerS due to stream cheating. To whoever thinks what he did was ok: He wasn't bashing dragon's game play that got him into trouble. It's how he is saying dragon could be stream cheating AND making accusations like those that really are the issues here. GSL didn't ban him from Code A SlayerS picked him up after he was caught stream cheating. When you say something like that as a caster in public, you are deemed to be heavily punished | ||
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fiveohfive
Australia81 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:19 ETisME wrote: freedom of speech does not equal to you can say whatever you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation In this case, if I can still recall well from my law unit, Dragon can in fact sue him for it because many of the statements were baseless and wrong while it could mislead other people to think that he might had stream cheated in that game AND he was banned from Code A and kicked from SlayerS due to stream cheating. To whoever thinks what he did was ok: He wasn't bashing dragon's game play that got him into trouble. It's how he is saying dragon could be stream cheating AND making accusations like those that really are the issues here. GSL didn't ban him from Code A SlayerS picked him up after he was caught stream cheating. When you say something like that as a caster in public, you are deemed to be heavily punished Holy shit! 43 pages later and people are taking it this seriously? I'm not usually the one to say this because I am in front of the computer A LOT. But seriously, some people need to get out and enjoy the sun. This is being blown WAAAAAY outta proportion! I guess the internetez makes some people crazy huh? Myself, I seen the funny side of it. I actually had a laugh and liked the guy casting. BTW, I am a fan of Dragon. People really need to chill. Why are so many people so quick to jump in on a witch hunt? This is pathetic guys... really........ get over it. | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:44 frucisky wrote: I don't get the big deal. Tastosis make plenty of rather bashful jokes too - TheBest banshee control, BitByBit etc. And Katu gets bashed for this? Okay, it wasn't funny and was in bad taste but the uproar is ridiculous There's a difference between joking about certain strategies players use and outright say that someone's a piece of shit | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:19 ETisME wrote: freedom of speech does not equal to you can say whatever you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation In this case, if I can still recall well from my law unit, Dragon can in fact sue him for it because many of the statements were baseless and wrong while it could mislead other people to think that he might had stream cheated in that game AND he was banned from Code A and kicked from SlayerS due to stream cheating. To whoever thinks what he did was ok: He wasn't bashing dragon's game play that got him into trouble. It's how he is saying dragon could be stream cheating AND making accusations like those that really are the issues here. GSL didn't ban him from Code A SlayerS picked him up after he was caught stream cheating. When you say something like that as a caster in public, you are deemed to be heavily punished Typically when you sue for defamation you would have to prove you incured some sort of financial damage in order to collect. If anything the opposite has occured, in that dragon has gained attention and the invite to IPL. | ||
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ETisME
12711 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:26 fiveohfive wrote: Holy shit! 43 pages later and people are taking it this seriously? I'm not usually the one to say this because I am in front of the computer A LOT. But seriously, some people need to get out and enjoy the sun. This is being blown WAAAAAY outta proportion! I guess the internetez makes some people crazy huh? Myself, I seen the funny side of it. I actually had a laugh and liked the guy casting. BTW, I am a fan of Dragon. People really need to chill. Why are so many people so quick to jump in on a witch hunt? This is pathetic guys... really........ get over it. I find it really wrong to think this way, especially when the person that is getting his reputation damaged isn't you. Just because you don't find it a serious issue doesn't mean it isn't one for Dragon. Whether it should be "haha, go out and enjoy and don't make a drama out of this" or "omfg, this is fk'in bullshyt. let's take it to the court!!1!1!", they are none of our decision to make. Just because you are a dragon's fan, doesn't make you can make the decision for him as well. I think the 43 pages have proven it to be more than just a laughing matter to be brushed away. I am here just to tell you guys that this CAN BE a serious issue and it seems that lots of people believe the only wrong that he did was flaming Dragon's play and stream cheating, which was entirely wrong. edit: Woot! 2012 post! Glad this one is a post that actually have some content in it lol | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:51 ETisME wrote: I think the 43 pages have proven it to be more than just a laughing matter to be brushed away. The only thing 43 pages on a TL thread surrounding Drama(R) proves is that the SC2 scene has a bunch of drama queens. Telling people to get over this will ruin their fun of spewing bile around, and give them a reason to spew more bile - at you. Time. They will quiet down or move on to the next juicy drama story like they always do. Silly people with nothing more productive to do. And I am one. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
Of course it was dumb, of course he acted immaturely, of course he should be punished, of course he should apologize, of course he should etc. But, some of y'all are some serious drama queens. | ||
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SnowK
United States245 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:19 ETisME wrote: freedom of speech does not equal to you can say whatever you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation In this case, if I can still recall well from my law unit, Dragon can in fact sue him for it because many of the statements were baseless and wrong while it could mislead other people to think that he might had stream cheated in that game AND he was banned from Code A and kicked from SlayerS due to stream cheating. To whoever thinks what he did was ok: He wasn't bashing dragon's game play that got him into trouble. It's how he is saying dragon could be stream cheating AND making accusations like those that really are the issues here. GSL didn't ban him from Code A SlayerS picked him up after he was caught stream cheating. When you say something like that as a caster in public, you are deemed to be heavily punished Dragon would have to prove his reputation suffered (or as someone else said, incurred some financial loss), and may even be considered a public figure within this community, carrying additional requirements (actual malice) to collect damages. Proving Katu had actual malice would be much harder. The SC2 landscape has a ton of self-policing, and the SC2 "media" (casters, tournaments) doesn't have the same influence over the specific SC2 community that the traditional media has held over the general public. We also have a lot less money in our system than the general media/public, and since defamation suits are typically long and expensive, there will be fewer instances where going to court would be worth it. Also, Playhem and katu put out what were essentially retractions, which would make sustaining a trial that much harder. | ||
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
Saying that, Katu is out at Playhem, Playhem have more than apologized, Dragon is going to IPL, seems like this situation is over. And for all the court references, jesus, ok ya'll are the drama queens. The redeeming acts by Playhem more than outweigh the damages done, if anything it gives Dragon more publicity too. The only one who suffers is Katu, frankly I never really knew his name before this, I always thought the Playhem streams were a bit dull, having been used to Tastosis quality casting for the past 2 years. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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Gustis
Lithuania70 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
by truth you mean unfounded allegations? | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:26 fiveohfive wrote: Holy shit! 43 pages later and people are taking it this seriously? I'm not usually the one to say this because I am in front of the computer A LOT. But seriously, some people need to get out and enjoy the sun. This is being blown WAAAAAY outta proportion! I guess the internetez makes some people crazy huh? Myself, I seen the funny side of it. I actually had a laugh and liked the guy casting. BTW, I am a fan of Dragon. People really need to chill. Why are so many people so quick to jump in on a witch hunt? This is pathetic guys... really........ get over it. Thanks for telling me to go outside and enjoy the sun, I'll get right on that while it's snowing here right now. And no what katu did really is bad enough to warrant this big of a thread and shouldn't just be forgotten after 1 day. He basically attempted to slander and tarnish dragons name with false accusations, stuff that he could actually get sued over. He was "trolling" and even in the video talks about how he doesn't care about what the chat or viewers think of his trolling. The apology he made contradicts with what actually happened in the video and is completely insincere. I for one will make a point of never watching anything that he is involved with again. | ||
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-Kyo-
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