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On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway."
1. Cinemas charge $15 per movie
2. Movie not worth $15
3. Don't pay
4. Find torrent
5. Watch movie for free
what's the difference?
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On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway."
Well glad you enjoyed the "free" stream. It likely won't be like that again, but I am sure people will work hard to get around it. After all, its not the internet if your not getting things for free that others pay for.
On a side note, I went to the grocery store this weekend and saw a table full of girl scout cookies completely unattended. However, I managed to control myself and did not take advantage of their lackluster security.
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On February 27 2012 12:56 esotericc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." I didn't pay because I didn't want to give MLG 20$ at no point did I not want to watch the games, I stuck to my principles by not paying MLG any money, I watched for free because MLG screwed up and GAVE it to me (note: I did not use private mode it simply always worked for me) I still stuck to my principle of not supporting MLG's PPV experiment, watching the games did not violate that because I felt the games were still worth watching and would have paid 20$ had MLG offered a 360p free stream.
Translation: Was going to steal it anyways, but MLG made it really easy. Now waving it in peoples faces claiming that I was right for doing so.
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On February 27 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:56 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." I didn't pay because I didn't want to give MLG 20$ at no point did I not want to watch the games, I stuck to my principles by not paying MLG any money, I watched for free because MLG screwed up and GAVE it to me (note: I did not use private mode it simply always worked for me) I still stuck to my principle of not supporting MLG's PPV experiment, watching the games did not violate that because I felt the games were still worth watching and would have paid 20$ had MLG offered a 360p free stream. Translation: Was going to steal it anyways, but MLG made it really easy. Now waving it in peoples faces claiming that I was right for doing so.
Like was said earlier, don't throw food at people then cry when they eat it.
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I paid the $20, I watched the streams, and I thought it was 100% worth my $20.
I spent more on the lunch and dinner I ate watching MLG than I did on MLG itself. MLG had great production quality, great games, great casting, and was all around spectacular.
If you cheated MLG out of the money they were working hard to earn from you, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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I watched for a little bit on a restream, but I felt kinda dirty.
Decided to go play some ball hockey instead.
It was pretty cool, I liked what I saw. I would think about purchasing something like what MLG created but only if it was an extra. There really needs to be a low quality free stream for the people that can't afford it. (Times are tough right now, not only just for me.)
Free low-quality stream for big matches, give all the extras to those who pay.
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On February 27 2012 13:01 esotericc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote:On February 27 2012 12:56 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." I didn't pay because I didn't want to give MLG 20$ at no point did I not want to watch the games, I stuck to my principles by not paying MLG any money, I watched for free because MLG screwed up and GAVE it to me (note: I did not use private mode it simply always worked for me) I still stuck to my principle of not supporting MLG's PPV experiment, watching the games did not violate that because I felt the games were still worth watching and would have paid 20$ had MLG offered a 360p free stream. Translation: Was going to steal it anyways, but MLG made it really easy. Now waving it in peoples faces claiming that I was right for doing so. Like was said earlier, don't throw food at people then cry when they eat it.
they didnt throw food at people, what your talking about is taking a hot dog from a street vender then sayings its jsutified since it was so easy
or taking food from a farmers market when noones looking
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On February 27 2012 12:51 fiveohfive wrote:
Honestly, if the community wants e-sport to "move forward," steps like this need to be taken.
I don't know abou you guys, but in Australia you pay around $20 to see a football game that only lasts for an HOUR!
However, if you want to relate this to gaming (e-sports or whatever), people pay around $15 p/month to play an MMORPG game, such as WOW and RIFT.
Stop being so damn stingy, MLG provide a quality tournament and in todays world there is no such thing as a free lunch. Thats how it is. If you are 15 years old, go and get a job after school, or ask your mum and dad for money.
$20 really is nothing.
Oh hell no! You cannot compare this to a live event. You just can't.
You can't even compare this to a subscription-based MMORPG, where you're not only paying less than what MLG is charging, but you are actually playing the damn thing. You are interacting with other people playing. You can log in anytime you want. You can play for as long as you want for an entire month. It's an absolutely different issue.
MLG does provide a quality tournament, but so does IPL. So did Assembly. So did HSC. And many more. So yes, they are giving free lunches. And MLG was giving free lunches prior to this, which is what a lot of people are concerned about, that's all.
And $20 isn't 'nothing', I won't even get into that.
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On February 27 2012 13:01 esotericc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote:On February 27 2012 12:56 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." I didn't pay because I didn't want to give MLG 20$ at no point did I not want to watch the games, I stuck to my principles by not paying MLG any money, I watched for free because MLG screwed up and GAVE it to me (note: I did not use private mode it simply always worked for me) I still stuck to my principle of not supporting MLG's PPV experiment, watching the games did not violate that because I felt the games were still worth watching and would have paid 20$ had MLG offered a 360p free stream. Translation: Was going to steal it anyways, but MLG made it really easy. Now waving it in peoples faces claiming that I was right for doing so. Like was said earlier, don't throw food at people then cry when they eat it.
Well a better metaphor would be: "Don't leave food unattended and cry when people eat it." MLG did not throw the stream at you. You just found an easy way around it. You are like the people who used to steal my cans of soda at work when I left them in the fridge.
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I didn't watch the event, however for past MLG's I've usually tuned in for an hour or two each weekend. What I don't understand about the entire pay per view thing is, if you have an audience of mostly 20-30 year old males with enough disposable income to pay to watch other people play a computer game, why are these organizations not rolling in the advertising dough? This seems like the absolute best demographic possible. I don't think e-sports organizations have done enough to present useful adds to their viewers. Many of the adds I see are for things this demographic would never be interested in, there was even a while on GOM where all the ads I got were in Spanish (mostly for laundry detergent if i recall).
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I tried to reverse engineer the javascript on their player since I build stuff like this for work. However I just got bored and watched GSL Vods instead. Didn't really have time to watch the games but I suspect reverse engineering their cookie stuff would have been even more amusing.
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i watch every other sport for free so why would i pay to watch "e-sports" ? -.-`
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On February 27 2012 13:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:01 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 13:00 Plansix wrote:On February 27 2012 12:56 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
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I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." I didn't pay because I didn't want to give MLG 20$ at no point did I not want to watch the games, I stuck to my principles by not paying MLG any money, I watched for free because MLG screwed up and GAVE it to me (note: I did not use private mode it simply always worked for me) I still stuck to my principle of not supporting MLG's PPV experiment, watching the games did not violate that because I felt the games were still worth watching and would have paid 20$ had MLG offered a 360p free stream. Translation: Was going to steal it anyways, but MLG made it really easy. Now waving it in peoples faces claiming that I was right for doing so. Like was said earlier, don't throw food at people then cry when they eat it. they didnt throw food at people, what your talking about is taking a hot dog from a street vender then sayings its jsutified since it was so easy or taking food from a farmers market when noones looking
The site never prompted me to pay, I didn't do a work around or anything. If they don't want me to watch then don't let me :S
Well a better metaphor would be: "Don't leave food unattended and cry when people eat it." MLG did not throw the stream at you. You just found an easy way around it. You are like the people who used to steal my cans of soda at work when I left them in the fridge.
I sure found a way around it by typing www.majorleaguegaming.com/live in my browser and getting a free stream with absolutely no changes to my browser, no private mode, cookies enabled.
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On February 27 2012 12:51 fiveohfive wrote:
Honestly, if the community wants e-sport to "move forward," steps like this need to be taken.
I don't know abou you guys, but in Australia you pay around $20 to see a football game that only lasts for an HOUR!
However, if you want to relate this to gaming (e-sports or whatever), people pay around $15 p/month to play an MMORPG game, such as WOW and RIFT.
Stop being so damn stingy, MLG provide a quality tournament and in todays world there is no such thing as a free lunch. Thats how it is. If you are 15 years old, go and get a job after school, or ask your mum and dad for money.
$20 really is nothing.
Sports is expensive for the sole reason of making as much money as possible, and due to limited seatings(supply & demand).
Paying 15$/month for wow get's you 700+ hours of possible content so you can't compare those either.
Only event you can really compare it to is GSL which costs 20$/month for full access, making MLG a bit overpriced when comparing the amount of content you get for your money.
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On February 27 2012 12:51 fiveohfive wrote:
Honestly, if the community wants e-sport to "move forward," steps like this need to be taken.
I don't know abou you guys, but in Australia you pay around $20 to see a football game that only lasts for an HOUR!
However, if you want to relate this to gaming (e-sports or whatever), people pay around $15 p/month to play an MMORPG game, such as WOW and RIFT.
Stop being so damn stingy, MLG provide a quality tournament and in todays world there is no such thing as a free lunch. Thats how it is. If you are 15 years old, go and get a job after school, or ask your mum and dad for money.
$20 really is nothing.
Last time i will explain cause people dont seem to get it. Yeah watching a football game easily cost $20 dollars or more and thats ok if you are a big time fan, but if you can see the same players for free guess what, no one is going to pay a game thats $20 dollars to watch.
And $20 dollars is nothing indeed but if you want to grow esport you have to attract a audience thats watch/enjoy other things as well. Like me i like watching SC2 but i also pay for other stuff i like to watch. For example, i already pay 250 dollars a year for watching home games in the stadium from my football club and i pay 20 dollars a month to see the away matches on tv. Im a big football fan so i want to see other leagues from other country's as well so another 15 dollars a month, but i also love watching tv shows so netflix it is and i also love NBA/UFC so i have to see that to.
I dont mind paying for content at all (offcourse i also download a lot of stuff) but another $20 dollars for something that i like to watch is to much and i have to choose then and since SC2 is not at the top of my lists i just simple don't watch it if i cant see if for free or for a price that makes sense to me. For me it's not just $20 dollars it's +$20 dollars and thats a big difference.
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On February 27 2012 12:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:54 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words, either way you sound stupid. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it. No. "Principle -- A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." Your chain of reasoning is: 1. MLG charges $20 for Winter Arena. 2. Winter Arena is not worth $20. 3. Don't pay. 4. Find (admittedly stupidly massive) flaw in MLG security. 5. Watch MLG. The way you do something out of principle is that you make a decision (the principle) and follow through with the logically consistent consequences of the principle. If $20 is too much to pay, you don't pay, and you don't watch. Whatever you based your decision not to pay but to watch anyway on, it was not principle, but greed, convenience, etc. Just not principle. The only principled approaches are to pay and watch or to not pay and not watch. You cannot watch but not pay "on principle." If I'm wrong, please lay out the chain of reasoning that lets you get from "$20 bucks is too much, so I didn't pay" to "but I watched anyway." Well glad you enjoyed the "free" stream. It likely won't be like that again, but I am sure people will work hard to get around it. After all, its not the internet if your not getting things for free that others pay for. On a side note, I went to the grocery store this weekend and saw a table full of girl scout cookies completely unattended. However, I managed to control myself and did not take advantage of their lackluster security.
If there was a table next to it labelled "IGN Pro League cookies, free", I'd have been all over them cookies.
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I don't understand why people are so upset that some people watched this event for free. Shouldn't you be upset at MLG & Twitch who totally botched the paywall?
I watched Assembly this weekend and it was great. I also watched the first set of the grand finals of MLG because I heard it was possible(via chrome etc.) After about 5 mins of lag and problems with twitch I decided to close the stream and wait for next week.
I did not see the full event but I have always had lag issues with twitch when there are significant amounts of people on the stream. I have a great computer and live in an urban center with good speeds. I can't fathom why I would ever want to pay for events in future when the stream provided is unavailable in consistent high quality.
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On February 27 2012 13:04 el_dawg wrote:
I didn't watch the event, however for past MLG's I've usually tuned in for an hour or two each weekend. What I don't understand about the entire pay per view thing is, if you have an audience of mostly 20-30 year old males with enough disposable income to pay to watch other people play a computer game, why are these organizations not rolling in the advertising dough? This seems like the absolute best demographic possible. I don't think e-sports organizations have done enough to present useful adds to their viewers. Many of the adds I see are for things this demographic would never be interested in, there was even a while on GOM where all the ads I got were in Spanish (mostly for laundry detergent if i recall).
most people use adblockers and even if everyone who watched didnt it still wouldnt generate enough revenue
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On February 27 2012 12:34 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:31 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha How's this for a straight line, Fox? Your moral bankruptcy is founded on an inability to imagine the value of people besides yourself. Your friends and loved ones will leave you when you repeatedly demonstrate that your interest in them is solely due to what they do for you. You will die alone, long after you have been forgotten, having contributed nothing of value to anyone. On the plus side, you will have gotten a few things for free that other people paid for. The stealing/piracy/workaround itself is not nearly as distasteful as the inability to realize its wrongness, coupled with a belief that giving value to another person's efforts makes you "stupid." Its a perfect storm of shitty personality traits. Hopefully you are like 13 years old and just young and immature -- you can still change. If not, enjoy your lonely, parasitic existence. Dude seriously? Go take a walk or something, the internet is starting to get to you. Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post.
I disagree, I feel your comments were completely warranted.
foxSC is either trolling you really hard or has no concept of how the world works.
If everyone was of his opinion content like this just WOULD NOT EXIST because it would be impossible to earn money from it. And after all, it is a business.
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On February 27 2012 13:09 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:34 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:31 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:
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Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough.
They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha How's this for a straight line, Fox? Your moral bankruptcy is founded on an inability to imagine the value of people besides yourself. Your friends and loved ones will leave you when you repeatedly demonstrate that your interest in them is solely due to what they do for you. You will die alone, long after you have been forgotten, having contributed nothing of value to anyone. On the plus side, you will have gotten a few things for free that other people paid for. The stealing/piracy/workaround itself is not nearly as distasteful as the inability to realize its wrongness, coupled with a belief that giving value to another person's efforts makes you "stupid." Its a perfect storm of shitty personality traits. Hopefully you are like 13 years old and just young and immature -- you can still change. If not, enjoy your lonely, parasitic existence. Dude seriously? Go take a walk or something, the internet is starting to get to you. Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post. I disagree, I feel your comments were completely warranted. foxSC is either trolling you really hard or has no concept of how the world works. If everyone was of his opinion content like this just WOULD NOT EXIST because it would be impossible to earn money from it. And after all, it is a business.
There are no major tournaments out there that offer free streams. Oh, wait...
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