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On February 27 2012 13:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:11 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 13:09 Tektos wrote:On February 27 2012 12:34 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:31 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:
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Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha How's this for a straight line, Fox? Your moral bankruptcy is founded on an inability to imagine the value of people besides yourself. Your friends and loved ones will leave you when you repeatedly demonstrate that your interest in them is solely due to what they do for you. You will die alone, long after you have been forgotten, having contributed nothing of value to anyone. On the plus side, you will have gotten a few things for free that other people paid for. The stealing/piracy/workaround itself is not nearly as distasteful as the inability to realize its wrongness, coupled with a belief that giving value to another person's efforts makes you "stupid." Its a perfect storm of shitty personality traits. Hopefully you are like 13 years old and just young and immature -- you can still change. If not, enjoy your lonely, parasitic existence. Dude seriously? Go take a walk or something, the internet is starting to get to you. Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post. I disagree, I feel your comments were completely warranted. foxSC is either trolling you really hard or has no concept of how the world works. If everyone was of his opinion content like this just WOULD NOT EXIST because it would be impossible to earn money from it. And after all, it is a business. Except tons of content DOES exist for free For now. But I think everyone has said over and over that they do not make enough money off of adds. Many people said, like Artosis and DJWheat, that the PPV model was coming. Every part of SC2 can't be free forever. There has to be some content that people are willing to pay directly for.
Of course they said it was coming. They were told it was coming and they stand to benefit from it coming by working for MLG. Two months ago no one was talking about PPV being the only way. It got pushed by MLG and the popular personalities and all of a sudden people are buying it's the "only way". Funny how that happens.
Fact is SC2 is too early in it's life cycle to say that anything is the "only way". It might be MLG's only way to exist because of the amount of money they have invested and the time they don't have to wait for SC2 to continue to grow it's audience. But to say it's the "only way" because MLG started pushing it, is very short-sighted.
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The first page of the main MLG LR Thread has the link on top. You click it (no cookie/tweak/nonsense hack sh*t), and I was able to watch the DRG MKP finals. The rest of the games I mostly read from time to time in the LR thread. Either MLG/TwitchTV didnt up their security or they purposely "did" that so a lot of people can watch.
...and others call it a scam. Which is what exactly happened from what I've read on this thread.
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the op asked people how they watched it nothing more
noone asked for 5 essays about the evils of corporations and morality
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On February 27 2012 13:21 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:20 how2TL wrote:
Lowering prices will not work. Look at all these people who think that paying a dime is a scam. If MLG thinks that's what their content should be valued that's their decision to make. If you really think you can increase their revenue, then maybe you're really smart and should get hired by them to do that.
I would be willing to bet that at $20 they had the most profitable MLG event yet. I'm seeing more comments claiming that they would pay if the price was lowered, than people saying they would never pay to watch SC2.
Saying that is not the same as doing it.
MLG obviously thought that they'd get the most value by having it at $20.
Look at this poll. 20% paid $20. Assuming that's representative, that's amazing. 20% of people paying $20 is better than 100% of people paying $0.
Do you think 40% of people would pay if it was $10? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Do you think 80% of people would pay if it was $5? Hell no.
MLG had a very successful pilot run.
On February 27 2012 13:27 Rorix wrote:
The first page of the main MLG LR Thread has the link on top. You click it (no cookie/tweak/nonsense hack sh*t), and I was able to watch the DRG MKP finals. The rest of the games I mostly read from time to time in the LR thread. Either MLG/TwitchTV didnt up their security or they purposely "did" that so a lot of people can watch.
...and others call it a scam. Which is what exactly happened from what I've read on this thread.
There is no reason for MLG to do that on purpose. Enjoy what you got, but there is no conspiracy here.
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lol @ killing e sports, I'm sorry but i'm not going to support greed , I support e sports by purchasing gsl pass which is good solid content for long time not just 3 days for 20$ that a is a straight rip off. I'd rather pay 20$ to mlg and have a pass for all content and then like gsl have maybe 30-40 $ fee for premium service to cover extra events like mlg arena, but that just greed when you ask for 20$ every arena and only 3 days. What this is straight greed imo.
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On February 27 2012 13:22 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:17 Plansix wrote:On February 27 2012 13:11 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 13:09 Tektos wrote:On February 27 2012 12:34 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:31 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:
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In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha How's this for a straight line, Fox? Your moral bankruptcy is founded on an inability to imagine the value of people besides yourself. Your friends and loved ones will leave you when you repeatedly demonstrate that your interest in them is solely due to what they do for you. You will die alone, long after you have been forgotten, having contributed nothing of value to anyone. On the plus side, you will have gotten a few things for free that other people paid for. The stealing/piracy/workaround itself is not nearly as distasteful as the inability to realize its wrongness, coupled with a belief that giving value to another person's efforts makes you "stupid." Its a perfect storm of shitty personality traits. Hopefully you are like 13 years old and just young and immature -- you can still change. If not, enjoy your lonely, parasitic existence. Dude seriously? Go take a walk or something, the internet is starting to get to you. Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post. I disagree, I feel your comments were completely warranted. foxSC is either trolling you really hard or has no concept of how the world works. If everyone was of his opinion content like this just WOULD NOT EXIST because it would be impossible to earn money from it. And after all, it is a business. Except tons of content DOES exist for free For now. But I think everyone has said over and over that they do not make enough money off of adds. Many people said, like Artosis and DJWheat, that the PPV model was coming. Every part of SC2 can't be free forever. There has to be some content that people are willing to pay directly for. Of course they said it was coming. They were told it was coming and they stand to benefit from it coming by working for MLG. Two months ago no one was talking about PPV being the only way. It got pushed by MLG and the popular personalities and all of a sudden people are buying it's the "only way". Funny how that happens. Fact is SC2 is too early in it's life cycle to say that anything is the "only way". It might be MLG's only way to exist because of the amount of money they have invested and the time they don't have to wait for SC2 to continue to grow it's audience. But to say it's the "only way" because MLG started pushing it, is very short-sighted.
The longer they left it for free, the harder it would be to charge people. It is better for MLG to get it out there early and get people used to the idea that you might have to play for some SC2 content if you want to see it live. If they had waited another year, the response would have been exactly the same.
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On February 27 2012 12:43 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:33 scaban84 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 12:21 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?
either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well. We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price. Truth right there. Everyone being high and mighty in this thread is just angry they got ripped off 20$ for what was, and should be, free. No, I'm glad I paid $20. I'm not a whiny teenager who think's all content should be free, nor do I think everyone is entitled to a free stream. If you guys want this to actually work, (esports) steps like this need to be taken. I for one commend Sundance for going through with this and not backing down to the pitchforks and sticking to their guns, nothing better then a bunch of angry teenagers crying because they actually have to PAY for content because MLG wanted to SEE if they could actually make a return on a investment. But god forbid you people would actually know MORE about MLG's finical ability amirite? I remember when I was that age. I thought I was such a rebel by downloading tons of warez and getting stuff for free. This track can end up making you a shallow/greedy sociopath that doesn't value other people's hard work. You take everything for granted. Cool story, I'm 20 years old and pirate most software I have (OS, AntiVir, music, etc) but I have however found bands that I have ended up paying money for since I found their music to be to my liking, and infact I would have never found them if it weren't for torrents. I have paid for probably 10+ albums that I never would have if it wasn't for TPB.
Criminal rationalization. Most people that justify torrents say that if they use the product for financial gain, they would buy the product. But it seems like you are justified in stealing everything because you bought 10 albums in your life. Wow.
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On February 27 2012 13:17 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:52 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:38 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 12:28 farside604 wrote:
From the poll, seems like most people watched MLG without paying but the thread is mostly people who paid for it. Also interesting is a sub poll where many people said they would indeed pay if the price was lower. So much unlike what this thread has turned into, I don't think its the principle of paying vs piracy at issue here but rather that MLG might have simply charged too much. I wonder how many of the people who are currently grand standing against piracy if the pricepoint was 50 or even 100 dollars. I didn't pay, I didn't watch. I knew with my real life commitments I wouldn't get to watch enough to make it worth $20 to me personally. That doesn't make me any less pissed off, no, fucking outraged that there are pricks on here proud of themselves for not paying. This is team fucking liquid forums guys. You are meant to be the hardcore of the SC2 e-sports community. The people who really care, and you don't give a fuck. Through some weird twist of logic you think you're entitled to shit you're not fucking entitled too and then you're proud that you could sneak in the back door. This is one of those moments where everyone should be able to look at a situation and say "hey, this is the right thing to do, and this is the wrong thing to do" and so many people here just failed miserably. Honestly, the comments on this thread are fucking depressing. Where is this mysterious entitlement and pride? I took what was there to be taken. I'm not proud, just indifferent, had I not watched MLG for free I'd have watched the literally endless amount of free SC2 content still to be watched. There is literally so much free everything available that a person could go a lifetime without paying for entertainment...I suppose that's "entitlement" if you like. But at the same time, do you actually think it's a sound business model to charge people for what they can already have for free? Is it intelligent of us to support that kind of logic? Get a grip You can go to any boxing gym and watch two nobodies box for free. People pay big money to watch big prize fights. It's not ridiculous to think that PPV could work. You watched MLG because it was the best show on (or you would have just watched the IPL TAC or Assembly like I did). Oh, and by watching MLG you denied the free alternatives ad revenue. The annoying sense of entitlement comes from the idea that MLG can spend a ton of money to fly the top players across the world to have a tournament in a fucking New York skyscraper, and people think they have a right to see it for free. You don't get that for free. For free you get Destiny playing LoL and CatsPajamas and DOA and Gretorp trying not spoil replays that happened weeks ago.There are two passionate groups of people that understand ethics and have vastly different ideas about how SC2 tournaments should be produced and consumed. The good people that believe in a freemium model watched Assembly and saw a great tournament and watched the stream hit 65k plus viewers. The good people that believe in a PPV model paid $20 to watch a unique tournament stacked with the most star-studded international lineup ever. Then we find out that there is this MASSIVE group of people that watched the $20 stream for free. They didn't put ad revenue into any e-sports (Winter Arena was commercial free, right? Please tell me it was.). THEN they start making fun of the "suckers" that paid to support an amazing tournament. The soundness of the MLG business decisions is irrelevant. There were two ethical choices you could make this weekend, both of which supported e-sports. Pay and watch PPV or don't pay and watch ads. The fact that there were so many AMAZING free alternatives just underlines how shitty it is to watch the PPV stream for free.
That. That right there.
It's like watching TB's shoutcraft invitational with ad blocker turned on.
What special kind of arsehole would you have to be to do that? If you do, next time you look in the mirror, say to yourself "I'm a total fucking jerk"
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On February 27 2012 13:13 Kaitlin wrote:
Here's what I think MLG should do:
1) Drop the PPV from $20 to $5. Lots of streamers offer subscriptions, which are basically nothing but a token of support to the streamer, and people seem willing to pay this amount. So, many people people who wouldn't pay $20 would be willing to cough up $5.
2) Adjust the costs of the event accordingly. Prize pools reduced. Perhaps production quality. Less $ spent on casters. Probably will need to cut out the expense of paying for people to travel to the event to play, so many top Koreans won't participate.
3) The level of play is reduced drastically. The production quality is reduced drastically. The casting quality is reduced. Hell, maybe it will drop low enough that I might even be offered the job.
4) We get what we pay for and everybody's happy.
You are basing this off of what? Assembly was completely free this weekend and guess what they had just as good a pool of players. MLG just decided to randomly throw in a PPV tournament after providing the qualifiers for free. You can't just give a taste then charge for the rest without backlash. With the workarounds and the amount of people that just plain didn't watch it, I don't think MLG will have been very profitable this weekend.
My problem with the people who bought it and say "support Esports!" is that they do not realize that if MLG thinks that this was profitable then they will do the same for every single tournament after. That would include their regular MLG circuit. Think about how much that would end up costing for a year of MLG. Many people already pay for GSL (which is easily the best tournament as far as skill and games are concerned) they won't want to pay for MLG as well.
There is little reason for quality to ever drop because people aren't paying $20 for the weekend. There are tournaments every single day that stream at 1080p for free. These are also huge tournaments with big player pools. The GSL, Dreamhack, Assembly, etc. All of these tournaments are just as big if not bigger than MLG and they are all offered for free
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On February 27 2012 13:15 RusHXceL wrote:
MLG to PPV for like $1-$5.
millions will pay for support MLG and ESPORTS. cha-ching
What's the point of having a $1 PPV event?
You're still going to piss people off for making it PPV (and restrict your audience), and you won't make any money anyway.
Hell, people will go on strike against MLG just based on the ridiculousness of it  It's not good for business or PR.
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i payed cuse i wanted to but watching it free was sooooooooooooo ez
they have the fix that really
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On February 27 2012 13:28 momonami5 wrote:
lol @ killing e sports, I'm sorry but i'm not going to support greed , I support e sports by purchasing gsl pass which is good solid content for long time not just 3 days for 20$ that a is a straight rip off. I'd rather pay 20$ to mlg and have a pass for all content and then like gsl have maybe 30-40 $ fee for premium service to cover extra events like mlg arena, but that just greed when you ask for 20$ every arena and only 3 days. What this is straight greed imo.
MLG probably played as mcuh games in 3 days as GSL does in entire season or pretty close
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On February 27 2012 13:30 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:43 Silidons wrote:On February 27 2012 12:33 scaban84 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:29 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 12:21 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?
either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well. We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price. Truth right there. Everyone being high and mighty in this thread is just angry they got ripped off 20$ for what was, and should be, free. No, I'm glad I paid $20. I'm not a whiny teenager who think's all content should be free, nor do I think everyone is entitled to a free stream. If you guys want this to actually work, (esports) steps like this need to be taken. I for one commend Sundance for going through with this and not backing down to the pitchforks and sticking to their guns, nothing better then a bunch of angry teenagers crying because they actually have to PAY for content because MLG wanted to SEE if they could actually make a return on a investment. But god forbid you people would actually know MORE about MLG's finical ability amirite? I remember when I was that age. I thought I was such a rebel by downloading tons of warez and getting stuff for free. This track can end up making you a shallow/greedy sociopath that doesn't value other people's hard work. You take everything for granted. Cool story, I'm 20 years old and pirate most software I have (OS, AntiVir, music, etc) but I have however found bands that I have ended up paying money for since I found their music to be to my liking, and infact I would have never found them if it weren't for torrents. I have paid for probably 10+ albums that I never would have if it wasn't for TPB. Criminal rationalization. Most people that justify torrents say that if they use the product for financial gain, they would buy the product. But it seems like you are justified in stealing everything because you bought 10 albums in your life. Wow.
Don't be shocked by them, because there is nothing you can do. In internet is filled with the entitled and because of them we get bills like SOPA that we have to beat down. They have no money and feel that stealing stuff is fine because they can't really get caught. They don't shoplift because that would be risky.
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friend paid, i watch vods using his account.
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On February 27 2012 13:31 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:17 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:52 MajorityofOne wrote:On February 27 2012 12:38 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 12:28 farside604 wrote:
From the poll, seems like most people watched MLG without paying but the thread is mostly people who paid for it. Also interesting is a sub poll where many people said they would indeed pay if the price was lower. So much unlike what this thread has turned into, I don't think its the principle of paying vs piracy at issue here but rather that MLG might have simply charged too much. I wonder how many of the people who are currently grand standing against piracy if the pricepoint was 50 or even 100 dollars. I didn't pay, I didn't watch. I knew with my real life commitments I wouldn't get to watch enough to make it worth $20 to me personally. That doesn't make me any less pissed off, no, fucking outraged that there are pricks on here proud of themselves for not paying. This is team fucking liquid forums guys. You are meant to be the hardcore of the SC2 e-sports community. The people who really care, and you don't give a fuck. Through some weird twist of logic you think you're entitled to shit you're not fucking entitled too and then you're proud that you could sneak in the back door. This is one of those moments where everyone should be able to look at a situation and say "hey, this is the right thing to do, and this is the wrong thing to do" and so many people here just failed miserably. Honestly, the comments on this thread are fucking depressing. Where is this mysterious entitlement and pride? I took what was there to be taken. I'm not proud, just indifferent, had I not watched MLG for free I'd have watched the literally endless amount of free SC2 content still to be watched. There is literally so much free everything available that a person could go a lifetime without paying for entertainment...I suppose that's "entitlement" if you like. But at the same time, do you actually think it's a sound business model to charge people for what they can already have for free? Is it intelligent of us to support that kind of logic? Get a grip You can go to any boxing gym and watch two nobodies box for free. People pay big money to watch big prize fights. It's not ridiculous to think that PPV could work. You watched MLG because it was the best show on (or you would have just watched the IPL TAC or Assembly like I did). Oh, and by watching MLG you denied the free alternatives ad revenue. The annoying sense of entitlement comes from the idea that MLG can spend a ton of money to fly the top players across the world to have a tournament in a fucking New York skyscraper, and people think they have a right to see it for free. You don't get that for free. For free you get Destiny playing LoL and CatsPajamas and DOA and Gretorp trying not spoil replays that happened weeks ago.There are two passionate groups of people that understand ethics and have vastly different ideas about how SC2 tournaments should be produced and consumed. The good people that believe in a freemium model watched Assembly and saw a great tournament and watched the stream hit 65k plus viewers. The good people that believe in a PPV model paid $20 to watch a unique tournament stacked with the most star-studded international lineup ever. Then we find out that there is this MASSIVE group of people that watched the $20 stream for free. They didn't put ad revenue into any e-sports (Winter Arena was commercial free, right? Please tell me it was.). THEN they start making fun of the "suckers" that paid to support an amazing tournament. The soundness of the MLG business decisions is irrelevant. There were two ethical choices you could make this weekend, both of which supported e-sports. Pay and watch PPV or don't pay and watch ads. The fact that there were so many AMAZING free alternatives just underlines how shitty it is to watch the PPV stream for free. That. That right there. It's like watching TB's shoutcraft invitational with ad blocker turned on. What special kind of arsehole would you have to be to do that? If you do, next time you look in the mirror, say to yourself "I'm a total fucking jerk"
I'm also astonished at the sense of entitlement so many people feel as well; most of the community is rather spoiled, simply because we're not accustomed to needing to pay for content.
I didn't pay for the MLG event, because I knew I'd be working throughout the weekend and so I recognized I wouldn't be able to watch a good amount of it anyway. And I was fine with missing out on it; I figured I'd just read up on some LRs or whatever if I had the chance. But when I got home, some streams (including the regular MLG site) gave me access to the games anyway, so I watched a little bit. But I would have been perfectly fine not watching any of it, because I didn't pay for it. I was expecting that, but I was pleasantly surprised at what happened in the end.
I have no problem with $10 or $20 PPV events, although it seems that the vast majority of people want it lowered to $10.
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I watched with the no cookie workaround, simply because I had to work on sunday and missed the end of it.
If they made me able to watch one day for say 5$, then I would have paid for saturday.
It was just not worth it to pay to not be able to see the ending, and no VODs are not the same as watching it live with others.
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On February 27 2012 13:29 Plansix wrote:
The longer they left it for free, the harder it would be to charge people. It is better for MLG to get it out there early and get people used to the idea that you might have to play for some SC2 content if you want to see it live. If they had waited another year, the response would have been exactly the same.
True about that all though i dont think they were ready for this event. I think it would have been better if they would have wait for spring/summer and prepare it better. More payment gateways, more tickets options like day passes, match passes (for fanboys) etc etc.
It now looked like a beta test, and also MLG admitted they did a lot of things wrong and again i think if they just would have delayed it for 6 months or so they could have made this a lot better for everyone with a lot less drama.
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On February 27 2012 13:28 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:21 Xpace wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 how2TL wrote:
Lowering prices will not work. Look at all these people who think that paying a dime is a scam. If MLG thinks that's what their content should be valued that's their decision to make. If you really think you can increase their revenue, then maybe you're really smart and should get hired by them to do that.
I would be willing to bet that at $20 they had the most profitable MLG event yet. I'm seeing more comments claiming that they would pay if the price was lowered, than people saying they would never pay to watch SC2. Saying that is not the same as doing it. MLG obviously thought that they'd get the most value by having it at $20. Look at this poll. 20% paid $20. Assuming that's representative, that's amazing. 20% of people paying $20 is better than 100% of people paying $0. Do you think 40% of people would pay if it was $10? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you think 80% of people would pay if it was $5? Hell no. MLG had a very successful pilot run. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:27 Rorix wrote:
The first page of the main MLG LR Thread has the link on top. You click it (no cookie/tweak/nonsense hack sh*t), and I was able to watch the DRG MKP finals. The rest of the games I mostly read from time to time in the LR thread. Either MLG/TwitchTV didnt up their security or they purposely "did" that so a lot of people can watch.
...and others call it a scam. Which is what exactly happened from what I've read on this thread. There is no reason for MLG to do that on purpose. Enjoy what you got, but there is no conspiracy here.
What happens when you poll r/starcraft and /vg/? What does that percentage that paid drop to? You have to think that the number of people paying for MLG is inflated on TL compared to the other communities. (This is assuming the vast majority of people who normally watch MLG are from one of those three communities)
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On February 27 2012 13:32 Ghost.573 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:13 Kaitlin wrote:
Here's what I think MLG should do:
1) Drop the PPV from $20 to $5. Lots of streamers offer subscriptions, which are basically nothing but a token of support to the streamer, and people seem willing to pay this amount. So, many people people who wouldn't pay $20 would be willing to cough up $5.
2) Adjust the costs of the event accordingly. Prize pools reduced. Perhaps production quality. Less $ spent on casters. Probably will need to cut out the expense of paying for people to travel to the event to play, so many top Koreans won't participate.
3) The level of play is reduced drastically. The production quality is reduced drastically. The casting quality is reduced. Hell, maybe it will drop low enough that I might even be offered the job.
4) We get what we pay for and everybody's happy. You are basing this off of what? Assembly was completely free this weekend and guess what they had just as good a pool of players. MLG just decided to randomly throw in a PPV tournament after providing the qualifiers for free. You can't just give a taste then charge for the rest without backlash. With the workarounds and the amount of people that just plain didn't watch it, I don't think MLG will have been very profitable this weekend. My problem with the people who bought it and say "support Esports!" is that they do not realize that if MLG thinks that this was profitable then they will do the same for every single tournament after. That would include their regular MLG circuit. Think about how much that would end up costing for a year of MLG. Many people already pay for GSL (which is easily the best tournament as far as skill and games are concerned) they won't want to pay for MLG as well. There is little reason for quality to ever drop because people aren't paying $20 for the weekend. There are tournaments every single day that stream at 1080p for free. These are also huge tournaments with big player pools. The GSL, Dreamhack, Assembly, etc. All of these tournaments are just as big if not bigger than MLG and they are all offered for free
I think you are being a touch too extreme with your statement. Just because people liked this PPV by no way means MLG is going to completely change their Esports model and cancel the championship circuit and run only PPVs. I'm sure they have an egghead or two that would be able to figure out that if they did this, their fanbase would evaporate pretty quickly as no one is going to dish out 20 bucks all the time to them. (They don't have enough fans yet, Esports isn't nearly big enough for this to be sustainable). That being said, there's nothing wrong with putting together a few really cool tournies a year and charging some money to see them PPV style to try to inject some revenue into their business.
I bought the PPV, I enjoyed it... I'm not particularly angry that people watched it free... in fact I'm not at all. I paid to support high quality content. Am I going to do it every month? No... there were issues that they have to deal with if they want 20 bucks from me again... but I definitely applauded the effort put into this event. It was really cool.
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On February 27 2012 13:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:04 el_dawg wrote:
I didn't watch the event, however for past MLG's I've usually tuned in for an hour or two each weekend. What I don't understand about the entire pay per view thing is, if you have an audience of mostly 20-30 year old males with enough disposable income to pay to watch other people play a computer game, why are these organizations not rolling in the advertising dough? This seems like the absolute best demographic possible. I don't think e-sports organizations have done enough to present useful adds to their viewers. Many of the adds I see are for things this demographic would never be interested in, there was even a while on GOM where all the ads I got were in Spanish (mostly for laundry detergent if i recall). most people use adblockers and even if everyone who watched didnt it still wouldnt generate enough revenue
Hmm, so are the production costs (including flying, prizes and broadcasting) just too much for the current model? How important is the fact that the players are sitting in the same room to viewers? For events like home story cup, I feel that added a lot. However in most other events the players are locked in the booths and hard to see anyway, only coming out for the occasional awkward post game interview. Not to mention jet lag and fatigue from traveling negatively affecting players. I guess unless events are really planning to showcase the players (as opposed to just the games) maybe they should reconsider how much they spend on travel.
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