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didnt pay, didnt watch, read commentary
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On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha
Edit: Too mean.
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hi everyone, I didnt pay, kinda watched the finals on restream but i was busy doing homework. I have very little money so i could never afford 20$ for mlg.
I understand they need money to make great events, but i dont think i'm killing e-sports, and i'm glad events like IPL, ASUSROG, NASL, IEM, etc are free and they are just as awesome if not better than MLG.
Lets not forget MLG is not only starcraft, its plenty of other games, its a HUGE THING, they have GREAT sponsors, and they are followed by MILLIONS all around the world, so I dont think they need so much money.
why not even a 480p free stream?? No!, they want ALL THE CAKE FOR THEMSELVES!
Also i'd like to point out that a stream is VERY unreliable, and i don't want to pay for a service that isnt 99% reliable. Not only it depends on the stream output of the tournament, but also on the stream websites, our internet at home, etc..
Therefore i don't feel guilty about watching a restream.
PS: I would rather give money to a player, caster or to a small tournament, they are the ones that need it the more, and they are the ones that really make esports.
there my 2 cents!
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Edited, the original post was deleted.
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On February 27 2012 12:28 farside604 wrote:
From the poll, seems like most people watched MLG without paying but the thread is mostly people who paid for it. Also interesting is a sub poll where many people said they would indeed pay if the price was lower. So much unlike what this thread has turned into, I don't think its the principle of paying vs piracy at issue here but rather that MLG might have simply charged too much. I wonder how many of the people who are currently grand standing against piracy if the pricepoint was 50 or even 100 dollars.
What people 'say' they would do, and what people 'would' do often don't align. It wouldn't shock me that in some alternate reality, MLG charged $10 and we'd have exactly the same drama, people saying 'too high' etc. It seemed clear to me since this was announced, that the majority who baulk at the price, would refuse to pay any price.
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On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle.
If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing.
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On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. every time i choose to read some posts on the internet. my mind gets blown away by how "i might have some English limitation but i can not even find a word in my first and second language to express my self about how people are" Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha
do you rly think im a fat guy,with a small penis and no balls,with a big hairy ears,with a big hairy nose,with no job,no life,no girlfriend,no parents,no friends,no degree.
here you go have some more im always glad to make person feel better about them self no matter how "..." they are.
and about the question about why you should pay for it when you can get it for free.
i think there is no reason and you should keep your mindset no matter what.
people that bought that only did it because they are stupid.
and people only watched for free because they are smarter.
you opened my eyes sir thank you.
here another one <3
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On February 27 2012 12:29 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:21 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?
either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well. We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price. Truth right there. Everyone being high and mighty in this thread is just angry they got ripped off 20$ for what was, and should be, free. No, I'm glad I paid $20. I'm not a whiny teenager who think's all content should be free, nor do I think everyone is entitled to a free stream. If you guys want this to actually work, (esports) steps like this need to be taken. I for one commend Sundance for going through with this and not backing down to the pitchforks and sticking to their guns, nothing better then a bunch of angry teenagers crying because they actually have to PAY for content because MLG wanted to SEE if they could actually make a return on a investment. But god forbid you people would actually know MORE about MLG's finical ability amirite?
I remember when I was that age. I thought I was such a rebel by downloading tons of warez and getting stuff for free. This track can end up making you a shallow/greedy sociopath that doesn't value other people's hard work. You take everything for granted.
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I didn't even have to do anything to get by the paywall. I just loaded it up and it never prompted me.
In any case I wasn't going to pay for it anyway, so it was a nice little surprise. Thank you MLG.
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On February 27 2012 12:31 MajorityofOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:29 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:05 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 12:04 di3alot wrote:On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for. smarter rly? do you rly. think the only reason why i choose to pay for it its because im stupid. Yes, yes i do. why else pay for something you can get for free? also, dont feed me straight lines please haha How's this for a straight line, Fox? Your moral bankruptcy is founded on an inability to imagine the value of people besides yourself. Your friends and loved ones will leave you when you repeatedly demonstrate that your interest in them is solely due to what they do for you. You will die alone, long after you have been forgotten, having contributed nothing of value to anyone. On the plus side, you will have gotten a few things for free that other people paid for. The stealing/piracy/workaround itself is not nearly as distasteful as the inability to realize its wrongness, coupled with a belief that giving value to another person's efforts makes you "stupid." Its a perfect storm of shitty personality traits. Hopefully you are like 13 years old and just young and immature -- you can still change. If not, enjoy your lonely, parasitic existence. Dude seriously? Go take a walk or something, the internet is starting to get to you.
Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post.
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On February 27 2012 12:21 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:17 MasterKush wrote:On February 27 2012 12:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 27 2012 12:02 MasterKush wrote:
Nobody is addressing the bigger issue in this thread... eSports isn't ready to be monetized in the form of PPV.
Instead we have a flame war with people who have disposable income versus those who don't. What is the point in discussing wether someone is a pirate or not? You could change the title of this thread to "How did you watch [Insert Film Name]?" and you'd get exactly the same debate going on. how do you know? wheres your data? where your experiments? wheres your evidence? wheres your PROOF? you have no proof, the only evidence we have is winter arena which was aparently a big hit, big enough of a hit that sundance thought "hmm with a bit of tweaking this could work" so obviously we ARE ready for some tournaments to be PPV, will the next tourny be 20$? probably not, will the paywall be so easily bypassed? certainly not First off, I said eSports and not just MLG. Perhaps MLG is ready to be monetized in this way, who knows? Nobody on this forum does, that's for sure... Sundance was never going to announce the thing was a failure immediately afterwards. Anyway, my point is that more than half of the people in this thread are claiming they watched it for free and had no intention of ever paying, and there's a significant percentage of people who voted the same way in the poll... that is not good, in any way shape or form. Please don't try and convince me that all of these people will suddenly start paying in the future (likelyhood is, they never will). Do you honestly see it changing for the better if the other big organisations decide to adopt this model? It'll just be more and more piracy. I don't have any facts, statistics, figures because I honestly don't care if you choose to ignore the angle that I'm approaching this from. you make no sense MLG is part of E-Sports and is one of the BIGGEST names in E-Sports if there ready to be monetized E-Sports is ready to be monetized and while Sundance wouldnt have popped up on stream and announcing it was a failure, him popping up wasnt in the schedule, if it was a complete failure they would have silently buried it, if it was a moderate success they would have made an announcement sometime in the future and only committed to one event Sundance came on stream during the final day and confirmed TWO more events, if it was anything short of a great success he would have maybe announced one more event
How do I make no sense...?
MLG does not equal eSports my friend. It's a big player, yes, but the decisions of MLG should not be replicated by every other company operating under the tag of eSports. I'm not sure you're aware of how Public Relations work, but I would lay money down on the fact that Sundance was always going to make an appearance and confirm future events. Do you honestly believe he was sitting in front of his analytics and once it reached an arbitrary figure that he decided "OK, 2 MORE EVENTS!". The other point you failed to mention, is whether he said the other two arena's would be using the same payment business model. I can't imagine it will be.
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On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing.
I don't think you know the definition of principles or you don't understand the context of words. They gave away the content and I watched it, get over it.
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On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing.
you need to get off your $20 high horse
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On February 27 2012 12:36 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. you need to get off your $20 high horse
I didn't pay and I didn't watch--out of principle.
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Personally i feel that an orginization such as MLG has every right to charge money for there product. It is a bussiness after all, and we are all just ticked off because we got them for free last year and that made us think it was always going to be like that. But consider it this way had they said it was only 5 bucks for a pass to watch and the stream didnt lag as much as it did and there was open bracket content would we really have all complained so much. I agree that 20 bucks was way to much for a trial like this and i do feel that if MLG is going to continue to have the success they have had especially late last year they will have to thinkn about the price. Most people want it free or even 5 bucks and they want 20 I cant say that 10 dollars is an unreasonable amount. From what i read though I was very sad that I missed some of these games especially missing MKPs first championship was disapointing and makes me regret not buying the pass. Though I do feel the 20 was way to much and I did not want to give up my stance on that. But i think that they should give a discount price on championship Sunday simply because there are not that many games. That is just my opinion but i felt that some people were just a little out of line and i think MLG will do right by the fans.
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On February 27 2012 12:37 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:36 Doraemon wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 Mr. Black wrote:On February 27 2012 12:20 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO. I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug* You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol? In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just.... hurting esports wrong. I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle. If you had principles, you would not have watched. You didn't pay out of greed/entitlement, and now you are rationalizing. you need to get off your $20 high horse I didn't pay and I didn't watch--out of principle.
good for you. i didn't pay or watch it either. but the hypocrisy and tall poppy here is extroadinary and disgusting
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On February 27 2012 12:28 farside604 wrote:
From the poll, seems like most people watched MLG without paying but the thread is mostly people who paid for it. Also interesting is a sub poll where many people said they would indeed pay if the price was lower. So much unlike what this thread has turned into, I don't think its the principle of paying vs piracy at issue here but rather that MLG might have simply charged too much. I wonder how many of the people who are currently grand standing against piracy if the pricepoint was 50 or even 100 dollars.
I didn't pay, I didn't watch. I knew with my real life commitments I wouldn't get to watch enough to make it worth $20 to me personally.
That doesn't make me any less pissed off, no, fucking outraged that there are pricks on here proud of themselves for not paying.
This is team fucking liquid forums guys. You are meant to be the hardcore of the SC2 e-sports community. The people who really care, and you don't give a fuck. Through some weird twist of logic you think you're entitled to shit you're not fucking entitled too and then you're proud that you could sneak in the back door.
This is one of those moments where everyone should be able to look at a situation and say "hey, this is the right thing to do, and this is the wrong thing to do" and so many people here just failed miserably.
Honestly, the comments on this thread are fucking depressing.
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I have not payed and not watched it (yea i knew about the workarounds but it felt simply wrong to do) and from what i hear its a kinda mixed bag so i won't the next time.
All i want is a test to see how it actually runs but as long they are not going to give it to me, i guess i miss out on this special tournaments unless they maybe lower the price to 10or so.
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On February 27 2012 12:34 Mr. Black wrote:
Agreed. Was trying to be funny, but failed -- too mean. I deleted post.
Took down my response as well. Good job recognizing where the line was between funny and harsh
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I didn't pay and I didn't use a workaround to watch it for free since I had no real interest in watching it to begin with. I just watched Asus ROG and Dota 2 streams all weekend.
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