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foxSC
Profile Joined November 2011
United States60 Posts
February 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#321
On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO.


I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug*

You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol?




WTF? you value mlg more than a pizza? whats wrong with you haha.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#322
On February 27 2012 12:14 Haydin wrote:
It amazes me that people actually feel entitled to content they did not pay for.

It amazes me that people actually think that this is the actual issue being discussed.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
February 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#323
On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO.


I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug*

You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol?

In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just....
hurting esports wrong.


I would have paid the 20$ gladly if they offered a 360p free stream. They didn't so I didn't pay out of principle.
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
February 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#324
On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?

either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well.


We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#325
On February 27 2012 12:17 MasterKush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:07 Forikorder wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:02 MasterKush wrote:
Nobody is addressing the bigger issue in this thread... eSports isn't ready to be monetized in the form of PPV.

Instead we have a flame war with people who have disposable income versus those who don't. What is the point in discussing wether someone is a pirate or not? You could change the title of this thread to "How did you watch [Insert Film Name]?" and you'd get exactly the same debate going on.

how do you know?
wheres your data? where your experiments? wheres your evidence? wheres your PROOF?

you have no proof, the only evidence we have is winter arena which was aparently a big hit, big enough of a hit that sundance thought "hmm with a bit of tweaking this could work" so obviously we ARE ready for some tournaments to be PPV, will the next tourny be 20$? probably not, will the paywall be so easily bypassed? certainly not


First off, I said eSports and not just MLG. Perhaps MLG is ready to be monetized in this way, who knows? Nobody on this forum does, that's for sure... Sundance was never going to announce the thing was a failure immediately afterwards. Anyway, my point is that more than half of the people in this thread are claiming they watched it for free and had no intention of ever paying, and there's a significant percentage of people who voted the same way in the poll... that is not good, in any way shape or form. Please don't try and convince me that all of these people will suddenly start paying in the future (likelyhood is, they never will).

Do you honestly see it changing for the better if the other big organisations decide to adopt this model? It'll just be more and more piracy. I don't have any facts, statistics, figures because I honestly don't care if you choose to ignore the angle that I'm approaching this from.

you make no sense

MLG is part of E-Sports and is one of the BIGGEST names in E-Sports if there ready to be monetized E-Sports is ready to be monetized

and while Sundance wouldnt have popped up on stream and announcing it was a failure, him popping up wasnt in the schedule, if it was a complete failure they would have silently buried it, if it was a moderate success they would have made an announcement sometime in the future and only committed to one event

Sundance came on stream during the final day and confirmed TWO more events, if it was anything short of a great success he would have maybe announced one more event
foxSC
Profile Joined November 2011
United States60 Posts
February 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#326
On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?

either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well.


We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price.


Truth right there. Everyone being high and mighty in this thread is just angry they got ripped off 20$ for what was, and should be, free.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
February 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#327
On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO.


I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug*

You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol?

In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just....
hurting esports wrong.


On February 27 2012 12:18 KDrake wrote:
Didn't pay, I went to two Barcrafts, one on each day.


Then I guess this guy was stealing ^?

Most people need to realize that esports target audience are 18-25 year olds who are in college. If you were a BW fan since back in the day you are probably out of college and have a steady job by now, good for you. But SC2 has brought in a lot of new spectator blood and guess what they are doing with their lives? going to school.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#328
People's sense of entitlement will never cease to amaze me. Seriously guys.
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#329
Barcraft , then restream and private browsing mode
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#330
On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?

either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well.


We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price.


I commend you on winning this thread
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#331
On February 27 2012 12:15 Grimmyman123 wrote:
My bro and I shared a paid account to watch.

It wasn't bad, and worth $10 for each of us, but not $20 for a sole viewer.

And by paying, no, you are not supporting esports. You ARE supporting MLG, and your ARE supporting better paychecks for the MLG team and its staff. You are however, NOT supporting esports or SC2 growth.


Why would SC2 grow if there was no money incoming.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
February 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#332
On February 27 2012 12:20 foxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO.


I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug*

You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol?




WTF? you value mlg more than a pizza? whats wrong with you haha.


Dunno man, between food and videogaming content I can see why somebody would choose food 0_o

But know who the real winner here is?

Me, I watched MLG while eating ...Pizza
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
February 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#333
On February 27 2012 12:14 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:11 esotericc wrote:
Wether i need to spend them or not also really doesn't matter, because unlike the majority of this thread i seem to be a law abiding person. I buy my music, i buy my PC games and hell yes if i want to watch MLG i buy my Gold ticket or PPV ticket. You should be very thankfull people like me still exist because otherwise you would not be listening to music or playing video games much longer (in fact the piracy bubble around 2005 killed quite a few major developers if you can remember that far back).


Downloading copyrighted content isn't illegal in Canada as long as I don't resell, so I to, am a law abiding citizen.


You might want to consult your lawyer on that point. It might not be feaseble to sue every single one who downloads content, but it almost certainly is illegal. If you can cite a source on that statement I'll accept that correction for Canadian law (since i honestly have no proof either having never studied it), but I'll also point out that MLG is an US based firm therefor you would fall under US copyright law not Canada.


That could be the case, i dont know anything about the Canadian laws neither but there a lot of country's in Europe for example where downloading for personal use is tolerated/legit. Most times movies/music and books are allowed, games/software is almost illegal everywhere as far as i know.

And US copyright law applies to others countries, but they the retailer also have to apply to the laws of the country they sell it in. For example, Universal (US company) can never sue me for downloading a movie when i use it for personal use cause thats allowed by law in my country.
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
February 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#334
On February 27 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:14 esotericc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:11 PhsX wrote:
Paid the $15 because I could watch every minute (hooray post exam weekends). I'm a college student with no job... That's two drinks, one nice meal out, or two fast food meals. Easy to make the sacrifice and watch. High production quality, but I can't justify spending more than $10 on the same thing again -- need a studio audience IMO.


I think a lot of people can afford it, I just spent 20$ on a pizza, I just didn't feel MLG deserved 20$ from me and I didn't support their pay model and that is my opinion. I wasn't planning on watching until MLG gave it to me for free anyway *shrug*

You don't value MLG more than a pizza? Lol?

In my personal opinion I'm saddened at the poll revealing the amount of people who watched restreams. If your not gonna pay for it, then you should accept the fact you shouldn't watch it. Just cheating MLG out of their money, its just, its just....
hurting esports wrong.


If they weren't going to pay for it no matter but were willing to take advantage of free (but illegal) options, is that still cheating MLG out of money?
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
February 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#335
Also, are people who gather to watch UFC and chip in $50 all thieves? Why shouldn't they all pay $50 individually? Because it's impossible to regulate.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#336
On February 27 2012 12:25 emc wrote:
Also, are people who gather to watch UFC and chip in $50 all thieves? Why shouldn't they all pay $50 individually? Because it's impossible to regulate.

just becuase its impossible to relegate doesnt mean its something taht should be done
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
February 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#337
Didn't pay didn't watch. The timezones were ok for me, but I was out of the house all day Saturday. Reading the LR thread on Sunday made me really want to pay up, but I couldn't justify it for just one day. The finals come on during Monday morning at work for me, so that's another reason.

I'd love MLG to introduce daily passes if possible. Say $7.50 per day, so you get a discount for paying the whole $20 if you want to watch the whole weekend, but for those that are busy one or more days, we still have an option to watch.

Fairly disappointed at sections of the community gloating about getting the stream for free. It's the same old tired justifications for pirating from people who've probably never had to work a hard days work in their life. Once they grow up and get into the real world they'll change their tune. My only fear that the average age of the community will stay in the teens and thus the community as a whole will never grow up and we'll have crap like this constantly.
farside604
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada127 Posts
February 27 2012 03:28 GMT
#338
From the poll, seems like most people watched MLG without paying but the thread is mostly people who paid for it. Also interesting is a sub poll where many people said they would indeed pay if the price was lower. So much unlike what this thread has turned into, I don't think its the principle of paying vs piracy at issue here but rather that MLG might have simply charged too much. I wonder how many of the people who are currently grand standing against piracy if the pricepoint was 50 or even 100 dollars.
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 03:32:40
February 27 2012 03:28 GMT
#339
i would have bougth it on friday if the price was around $5 (as long as it's under 10Euros i think it's ok), i did end up watching a restream for Day3 but i would also have bougth a daily pass if they were available for less than $5.

Was a nice event, like every MLG event to be honest, the $20 pricing is just to dam high

+ Show Spoiler +

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Edit : About the piracy stuff. I think it's a good thing, without it i wouldn't have been able to watch it, like many other fans.
The sole fact that the stream was illegally restreamed and that people quickly find workarounds the paywalls shows how badly people want the stuff.
This is internet and there is no way stopping that shit from happening, if you don't want it to destroy you business, make it right (i.e. change the price and add more offers like daily passes)
twitter@RickyMarou
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
February 27 2012 03:29 GMT
#340
On February 27 2012 12:21 foxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:20 bovineblitz wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:28 KalWarkov wrote:
so many ppl killing e-sport. wonder how much they spend on alcohol during that time - maybe more then 20 bucks?

either pay or dont watch, everything else is unacceptable. but mlg also has to do sth against that "privacy mode" free watching - i payed 20 bucks, it was a great event and worth every cent, and still i hate that i couldve watched it without paying anything just as well.


We got alcohol at a fair price, not SC2 pro games at an inflated price.


Truth right there. Everyone being high and mighty in this thread is just angry they got ripped off 20$ for what was, and should be, free.


No, I'm glad I paid $20. I'm not a whiny teenager who think's all content should be free, nor do I think everyone is entitled to a free stream. If you guys want this to actually work, (esports) steps like this need to be taken. I for one commend Sundance for going through with this and not backing down to the pitchforks and sticking to their guns, nothing better then a bunch of angry teenagers crying because they actually have to PAY for content because MLG wanted to SEE if they could actually make a return on a investment.

But god forbid you people would actually know MORE about MLG's finical ability amirite?
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