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On February 27 2012 11:47 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:40 TheSir wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. lol thats doesn't make any sence. Cheating is something which isn't allowed, watching a stream which the owners give away for free is totally legitm nothing wrong with that. Watching re-streams is wrong, watching the original is not. And btw why do you care so much? watching a stream which the owner covers with a paywall by using a workaround (even if it is very easy to do and commonplace) is the very definition of wrong. Are you really that stupid? Let me give you an analogy, the nearest cinema near you doesn't have alarmed emergency exits (for whatever reason), do you think it is okay to have a friend open that door for you and 10 others and simply walk in? Fuck no. You either pay or you don't get to watch the movie. Frankly this gloating on TL disgusts me, and the fact that the mods aren't handing out bans left and right really shows how far this website has fallen.
Not really, it just shows you that the majority of the community can't afford the luxury of dropping $20 on random events like this. Then the people who can afford it AND actually did pay, come in here throwing out judgement calls to make themselves feel better about spending money on something they didn't necessarily have to.
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On February 27 2012 11:41 Forikorder wrote:
it wasnt something that was free
watching it from the site when you didnt pay is jsut as bad as watching a restream they are both the same, your watching a PPV event without paying or having intent to pay
Wow you have no idea how it works do you. You do know in other sports etc there are a ton of people (dickheads) who make a living by just re-streaming copyrighted stuff? So yes watching a re-stream is bad, watching the original stream which is free although it's supposed to be PPV is not. It's not PPV, it's simpe as that.
Is it bad when you go to the store and they mess up at the checkout and you get for example a case of beer for free? No it's not. Do other customers in the store get up set about it? Uuh no.....
On February 27 2012 11:41 Forikorder wrote:
but there was lots of people watching the restream who would ahve paid so the restream cost MLG money
No they dont, research about piracy have been shown again and again that if people dont buy it, they will never do it. Only like 3/4% would maybe considering paying. Most times they will just move on to something else.
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On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant
In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for.
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I just tuned in during DRG vs PartinG and was able to watch the stream without having paid. No cookie/privacy mode tricks required.
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Such a shame to see so many posts from people thinking they know where the money goes, especially to the people thinking Sundance is getting so much money for himself after this event. I don't care if you agree with paying for it or not but get a clue about how business works.
As far as the event went there were a few short laggy moments and some dropped games which no one should blame MLG for. Move the next price down to $10 and it'll be even more of a success.
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On February 27 2012 11:52 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:49 Tula wrote:On February 27 2012 11:46 dsousa wrote:
Turning cookies off does not make you a pirate
The secret is out....if you turned off cookies and use incognito window in google chrome.... stream came in all good. Probably in any browser if you turned off cookies, the pay wall wouldn't come up.
You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to build a website before :D
So, that's why I'm not a thief, I'm just familiar with my browser features!
congratulations you have proven that you are scum. Accessing content you have no rights to DOES in fact make you a pirate. It doesn't matter by what means you do so, if you know you should not access it but do so simply because you want to, you are commiting piracy and copyright infringement. Chances are you cannot be faulted legally, but morally you have proven beyond a doubt that you care nothing about esports and are the scum of the earth. Good job, i hope you are proud. So if I include a copyrighted naked image from playboy in my post, and your eyes gaze upon it, YOU have committed a crime?
Are you honestly that stupid? What does one thing have to do with the other? YOU accessed a stream where it was mentioned multiple times that it was PPV, so you cannot claim ignorance. In fact according to your initial post you modified your browser on purpose so you could access it. What does that have to do with a situation where I would be exposed to copyrighted content by YOUR actions?
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I watched on MLG live without paying and without using the "work around" whatever it was.
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On February 27 2012 11:54 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:41 Forikorder wrote:
it wasnt something that was free
watching it from the site when you didnt pay is jsut as bad as watching a restream they are both the same, your watching a PPV event without paying or having intent to pay
Wow you have no idea how it works do you. You do know in other sports etc there are a ton of people (dickheads) who make a living by just re-streaming copyrighted stuff? So yes watching a re-stream is bad, watching the original stream which is free although it's supposed to be PPV is not. It's not PPV, it's simpe as that. Is it bad when you go to the store and they mess up at the checkout and you get for example a case of beer for free? No it's not. Do other customers in the store get up set about it? Uuh no..... Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:41 Forikorder wrote:
but there was lots of people watching the restream who would ahve paid so the restream cost MLG money No they dont, research about piracy have been shown again and again that if people dont buy it, they will never do it. Only like 3/4% would maybe considering paying. Most times they will just move on to something else.
source on those "research".
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I paid for it, watched as much as I could, and provided the stream for my local Barcraft. I've said it many times before, I wasn't happy with the idea of PPV at first, but with the quality of the broadcasts and the amazing amount/quality of matches it was well worth it.
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On February 27 2012 11:46 dsousa wrote:
Turning cookies off does not make you a pirate
The secret is out....if you turned off cookies and use incognito window in google chrome.... stream came in all good. Probably in any browser if you turned off cookies, the pay wall wouldn't come up.
You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to build a website before :D
So, that's why I'm not a thief, I'm just familiar with my browser features!
The secret is out....if you snuck into a house and didn't trigger the alarm.... they were lying there helpless. Probably at any house if you didn't trip the motion detector, the alarm wouldn't go off.
You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to rape and murder family before :D
So that's why I'm not a multiple murder/rapist, I'm just familiar with burglar alarms.
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On February 27 2012 11:53 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:40 TheSir wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. lol thats doesn't make any sence. Cheating is something which isn't allowed, watching a stream which the owners give away for free is totally legitm nothing wrong with that. Watching re-streams is wrong, watching the original is not. And btw why do you care so much? Honestly I find the lack of integrity to be fucking appalling. You're not smart, you're not clever, you're just another fucker who will do whatever you can get away with. This here is the reason democracy fails, that banks fuck people over, that people lose their houses the list goes on and on. Because people will happily exploit other people and then be proud of themselves for doing it. Look, there's a little old lady, quick mug her for her fucking pension cheque. It's her fault for not having a tazer and being old and frail. If it's not worth the money, don't fucking watch. If you watch for free when MLG are specifically trying to make it PPV, and I don't care how you fucking do it, bad pay wall, restream, whatever, you have no fucking integrity and should be fucking ashamed of yourself. But honestly, if you were, I'd be cool with that. But you're not, you're oh so proud of how cleaver you are for ripping someone off. Pricks. Maybe when you're walking home and some arsehole runs you over cause he's so proud of how he can drive on the nature strip and avoid the traffic jam and then you'll rethink how awesome you are. But probably not.
My point is I didn't have to be that clever about it. It was just on. If I did, then it could rise to the level of piracy.
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On February 27 2012 11:51 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:03 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 27 2012 11:00 Sickkiee wrote:
I just watched the streams for free off twitch.tv.
No idea why it let me watch, but I was able to watch all the major games in good quality with barely any lagg, for free.
Standard Google Chrome installation.
Hurry guys crucify me! i paid for my membership, and have no problem with people who used the workaround. indeed, i told my friend about the workaround so that he could watch for free. thats mlg's fuck-up and they should fix it. my only issue is the speculation that the freeloaders caused lag. if thats true--and i have no idea if it is--that would piss me off. but lag seems like mlg/twitch's fuck-up and they should fix it. In all honesty I didn't even know about this private bug that was being exploited by Reddit. I simply just watched the stream from twitch.tv assuming MLG had a heart and made it free... until now.
I don't think this has been stressed enough. I ... I must admit something. I did watch the whole 1st day for free because i thought 1 stream was free(Stream A1 never got blocked for me), I liked the content and eventually payed to unlock the other streams but people must not forget how badly Twitch/MLG screwed up with their PPV model, they got abused , legit customers payed for something that they could have gotten for free. MLG/Twitch is also partly to blame of this "debacle".
I still hope MLG gives something for the paying customers for this screwup as it really feels that it was pointless to pay for content(I didn't really pay to support e sports or some holier than thou reason) that they unintentionally gave away for free. But oh well buyers beware and all but as I mentioned previously I don't think I will pay for future MLG events. Will it suck for me to miss this? Yeah maybe, but I'd rather spend my money elsewhere.
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First night I was able to watch for free on the twitch site. For the remainder of the games I watched on the official site for free but I didn't do anything to cheat with cookies or anything. Just running firefox and adblock+
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On February 27 2012 11:58 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:46 dsousa wrote:
Turning cookies off does not make you a pirate
The secret is out....if you turned off cookies and use incognito window in google chrome.... stream came in all good. Probably in any browser if you turned off cookies, the pay wall wouldn't come up.
You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to build a website before :D
So, that's why I'm not a thief, I'm just familiar with my browser features!
The secret is out....if you snuck into a house and didn't trigger the alarm.... they were lying there helpless. Probably at any house if you didn't trip the motion detector, the alarm wouldn't go off. You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to rape and murder family before :D So that's why I'm not a multiple murder/rapist, I'm just familiar with burglar alarms.
Most disturbing post on tl in awhile that ive seen...
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Seriously, you'd think after the stink the announcement of the 20$ for ppv only, MLG would at least get the ppv system right. I don't support the 20$ (10$ would have made more sense imo), and i'm sad to see that they weren't able to actually execute the system they advocated. Wish i could've paid for it, but i lack the resources or the paypal account to do it.
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So, I've read threads the General Forum about Piracy and it seems the majority of the posters don't have a problem with it. I'm curious how the 'piracy is ok' crowd feels about the people watching the streams through the glitch, without paying. I've read some posts about 'killing eSports' but people don't seem to mind it when they are the ones getting content (software, etc) for free through piracy. To me, even though it's MLG's fault for making it so easy to watch their content for free, it's still basically piracy.
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On February 27 2012 11:54 foxSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:53 Astro-Penguin wrote:On February 27 2012 11:42 dsousa wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. Wrong is when you do tangible damage to tangible things. Not when your computer interprets bits sent to it via a url. I had a great MLG weekend, and I still have $20 in my pocket :D Probably some guy guy laid by 2 chicks while watching the stream for free...... do you hate him even more? The FACTS IS: You didn't have to pay to watch MLG! You did. You decided to.... don't be mad at the people smart enough to know that the pay wall would be made of paper . Never knew people were actually this ignorant In my eyes hes smarter than you. He got for free what you paid for.
Cant tell if your serious or not, but in the odd case that you are I don't associate intelligence with the ability to get lucky at an organizations error. Was it safe to assume that there would be re streams and even potential exploits? Yes of course, However was it safe to assume that these means were going to give you the same quality as you would pay? No, and I'm pretty sure thats were most of peoples frustration is coming in, the fact that we got the same and even to some certain degree worse quality then people taking advantage of this error.
But hey if people actually think they are smart because they got around paying 20 dollars then all the power to you, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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On February 27 2012 11:53 MasterKush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:47 Tula wrote:On February 27 2012 11:40 TheSir wrote:On February 27 2012 11:35 Kharnage wrote:On February 27 2012 11:25 windsupernova wrote:
Really people should not be angry at the people who watched MLG for free due to the cookie bug. It was MLGs own damn fault their system didn't work. It does suck for people like me who payed and I certainly hope MLG makes up for this somehow.
But its MLGs fault they didn't lock the door and people could "sneak in" and watch for free.Starcraft isn't some kind of basic necessity though so I don't know why some people act as if it was their right to be able to watch it for free though... especially since as many of you have said there is tons of free content so no need to try to cheat MLgs moronic system Fuck off. That's like saying you shouldn't be angry if someone cheats at SC2 cause it's blizzards fault for not making the game secure enough. They know it's the wrong thing to do and yet do it anyway, that is the definition of evil right there. lol thats doesn't make any sence. Cheating is something which isn't allowed, watching a stream which the owners give away for free is totally legitm nothing wrong with that. Watching re-streams is wrong, watching the original is not. And btw why do you care so much? watching a stream which the owner covers with a paywall by using a workaround (even if it is very easy to do and commonplace) is the very definition of wrong. Are you really that stupid? Let me give you an analogy, the nearest cinema near you doesn't have alarmed emergency exits (for whatever reason), do you think it is okay to have a friend open that door for you and 10 others and simply walk in? Fuck no. You either pay or you don't get to watch the movie. Frankly this gloating on TL disgusts me, and the fact that the mods aren't handing out bans left and right really shows how far this website has fallen. Not really, it just shows you that the majority of the community can't afford the luxury of dropping $20 on random events like this. Then the people who can afford it AND actually did pay, come in here throwing out judgement calls to make themselves feel better about spending money on something they didn't necessarily have to.
blablablabla
I make judgement calls not because i need to feel better, I feel my 20 bucks have been well spent on a great tournament, and i certainly got more enjoyment out of them than i would have if i had gone to the cinema.
Wether i need to spend them or not also really doesn't matter, because unlike the majority of this thread i seem to be a law abiding person. I buy my music, i buy my PC games and hell yes if i want to watch MLG i buy my Gold ticket or PPV ticket. You should be very thankfull people like me still exist because otherwise you would not be listening to music or playing video games much longer (in fact the piracy bubble around 2005 killed quite a few major developers if you can remember that far back).
If you think MLG isn't worth 20 bucks (=cannot afford it) that is your call, but that does not give you the right to pirate it.
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On February 27 2012 11:58 Mr. Black wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:46 dsousa wrote:
Turning cookies off does not make you a pirate
The secret is out....if you turned off cookies and use incognito window in google chrome.... stream came in all good. Probably in any browser if you turned off cookies, the pay wall wouldn't come up.
You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to build a website before :D
So, that's why I'm not a thief, I'm just familiar with my browser features!
The secret is out....if you snuck into a house and didn't trigger the alarm.... they were lying there helpless. Probably at any house if you didn't trip the motion detector, the alarm wouldn't go off. You didn't know? Sorry, guess you never had to rape and murder family before :D So that's why I'm not a multiple murder/rapist, I'm just familiar with burglar alarms.
This is honestly the most retarded thing I have ever read in my entire life. Taking this to the extream of murder/rape doesn't make your point any more valid it just makes you look like a retard.
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Nobody is addressing the bigger issue in this thread... eSports isn't ready to be monetized in the form of PPV.
Instead we have a flame war with people who have disposable income versus those who don't. What is the point in discussing wether someone is a pirate or not? You could change the title of this thread to "How did you watch [Insert Film Name]?" and you'd get exactly the same debate going on.
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