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MLG Arena and the TL Calendar - Page 20

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FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
February 23 2012 12:48 GMT
#381
Nice! TL finally taking a stand in the debate!
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 12:51:46
February 23 2012 12:48 GMT
#382
On February 23 2012 21:46 sansalvador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 21:45 nam nam wrote:
On February 23 2012 21:39 act.hero wrote:
Not like anyone was going to watch anyway. No need to put it on the calendar.

MLG will still get more viewers than a lot of other featured streams so that's not a very good point.

So even less need for a calendar entry. ^^

Well, they'd likely get more viewers having it featured so wheter or not there's need for it is a seperate matter. I don't think MLG depends on it though or they'd pay for it being sponsored even if they don't like it.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 23 2012 12:49 GMT
#383
liquid laying down the LAW.
Wonder how badly this MLG will do financially.

You NEED fan support... can't just do whatever you want and piss off your own crowd.
moo...for DRG
giorgio
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland32 Posts
February 23 2012 12:50 GMT
#384
I think the most difficult of PPV is restreaming this tournament on some free live streams, not usssualy on twitch or own3d but maybe in other not that popularity.
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
February 23 2012 12:53 GMT
#385
On February 23 2012 21:48 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 21:46 sansalvador wrote:
On February 23 2012 21:45 nam nam wrote:
On February 23 2012 21:39 act.hero wrote:
Not like anyone was going to watch anyway. No need to put it on the calendar.

MLG will still get more viewers than a lot of other featured streams so that's not a very good point.

So even less need for a calendar entry. ^^

Well, they'd likely get more viewers having it featured so wheter or not there's need for it is a seperate matter.

It would also increase the shitstorm even more.
"Oh look, TL says there is an MLG event going on!"
*click*
"WTFBBQ, there is nothing to see unless I pay 20$? RARARARRRARRRAAA!!!"


But that's just a guessing game.
I think the PPV thing is something someone would try eventually, so why not MLG with their winter arena. It's an experiment and I am very curious to see how it plays out. We all will learn a lot from this, one way or another.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
February 23 2012 12:53 GMT
#386
I always wondered why certain events weren't in the side bar, agree with the stance on MLG also
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:01:40
February 23 2012 13:00 GMT
#387
On February 23 2012 21:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:

Wonder how badly this MLG will do financially.



On SOTG they said they expect 10% of the regular MLG audience to buy, that their sales are tracking well ahead of what they expected, and that they aren't judging this financially so much as their ability to put on $20 worth of show. If it goes badly they are prepared to lower it to $10 or less next time.

I was like "No I'm not buying this" for about 5 days and then I spent $50 on Gold and that so I think many people will buy at the last minute despite their feelings.
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
February 23 2012 13:00 GMT
#388
Totally agree with Team Liquid on that one, I won't be tuning in for the MLG Winter Arena.
Thx for posting about it and making things clear anyway.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:13:11
February 23 2012 13:07 GMT
#389
On February 23 2012 13:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Neither of these conversations (the referral program or the calendar spot) reached the point where we were negotiating prices at all. We declined to be a part of the referral program for the reasons we stated, and they did not feel we should charge anything for the calendar entry.
It's amazing that MLG is taking a stance against the principle of paying xD
TL, you should have told them that they will help ESPORTS by paying you xD
This is so good, hahaha. The paradox is too strong, my brain is starting to melt.
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
February 23 2012 13:07 GMT
#390
Terrible stance from TL imo. Limiting MLG's visibility is only hurting them AND the fans who might miss a great event they would otherwise have gladly paid to watch. TL should be a reference when it comes to informing the fans about what sc2 events are taking place, free or not. Maybe having a different type of calendar events for PPV could make sense, but removing them altogether doesn't. What I expect when I check the TL calendar is to be informed about everything going on in the sc2 world and I'm appaled that this is apparently not what TL is aiming for based on some random and hard to justify principles (probably forced by the mob mentality we've seen recently in the PPV threads I suppose).

Personally, this doesn't affect me much since I'm hardcore enough to find the information elsewhere, but I find this a real shame for the more casual fans that get deprived of such a useful ressource.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:12:11
February 23 2012 13:10 GMT
#391
On February 23 2012 22:00 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 21:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:

Wonder how badly this MLG will do financially.



On SOTG they said they expect 10% of the regular MLG audience to buy, that their sales are tracking well ahead of what they expected, and that they aren't judging this financially so much as their ability to put on $20 worth of show. If it goes badly they are prepared to lower it to $10 or less next time.

I was like "No I'm not buying this" for about 5 days and then I spent $50 on Gold and that so I think many people will buy at the last minute despite their feelings.


ya... about those sales, Why are ppl buying.

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Soltanol
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany55 Posts
February 23 2012 13:12 GMT
#392
Usually i am more into reading than posting here but on this: /support TL good decision
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
February 23 2012 13:13 GMT
#393
TL is the place to be ! . Respect to all TL admins for this decision !
We all love E-sports
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Elios
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil277 Posts
February 23 2012 13:14 GMT
#394
Even if they Sell 20 passes... they will say that they are selling alot just to encourage people to buy .... thats marketing.
Krugessin
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden54 Posts
February 23 2012 13:14 GMT
#395
On February 23 2012 19:15 XenoX101 wrote:
Despite obviously being the owner's of the website I don't think that it is up to TL to decide what 'utility' an event provides to their community base. People use TL as the hub for their SC news, streams and events because there is no other website quite as comprehensive.


Isnt this exactly what TL Commandment #1 is all about? Liquid's house, Liquid's rules, and the community base consists of people who accept this, so of course it is up to TL to decide things. Who else?

From the comments in this thread it seems as if most of the community LIKES this decision so I think TL got it right in every way. Since TL is not a "for profit" enterprise it seems reasonable to make some distinction between free-ish events and ppv links, and there is SO much info still about the MLG winter arena.

I dont hate MLG for trying the 20$ ppv, and as a gold member I am still undecided if I want to pay the $15. I suspect for me it will come down to whether I have enough to do over the weekend or not, and if Finland can keep me entertained.

(Woohoo, first post from an utter bronze n00b aiming to become a silver or gold n00b some day. I consider myself to be a pillar of this society, making the rest of you look good AND watching your games/streams and even paying for it on occasion.)
Jerkil
Profile Joined February 2012
Algeria24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:20:41
February 23 2012 13:18 GMT
#396
Good move by TL and tnks for the info , MLG sound now like a new SOPA era, we got Assembly for the weekend and its far enought
<3 SK.BET.Sweet , SK.MadFrog , 4K^Fov, MYM]GOSTOP
Regorr
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
February 23 2012 13:26 GMT
#397
wat
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:27:39
February 23 2012 13:26 GMT
#398
This Poll is talking for us...76% of TL community is against PPV MLG ( and some undecided votes also i think) . Its 16000+ votes in this 76% , its must be taken serius . Community have power , always remmeber this . TL is listen to us , MLG is not ..simple as that

How do you feel about MLG's new PPV model?
Don't like it, too expensive, won't pay (8769) 41%

I don't mind them trying, but I won't pay (7327) 35%

I'm undecided about it (2555) 12%

Good idea, good value, will pay (1410) 7%

ot too happy, but I'll pay anyway (1098) 5%


SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 23 2012 13:28 GMT
#399
online polls aren't reliable or accurate.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 13:31:44
February 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#400
On February 23 2012 22:28 zaii wrote:
online polls aren't reliable or accurate.


Why ? You think ppl are cheating ? or get paid for votes here on TL ?
Yes some of this 76% are kids , that dont have this money and they vote "its bad etc" but how much ? max 20% ( but ppl without money are still part of the community , are they ? )
Others peaople just dont like this idea...
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
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