As many have seen on my facebook before. I love Demuslim a LOT. We have recently decided to team up for the 2v2 tournament HD trophy, things have been going well and we really enjoy the time we spend together on skype, and often times also in real life when we get to hang out in person.While we are not homosexual (I SWEAR TO GOD) I have to admit that we do have strong feelings for each other, and that is why I believe we will make both our carreers blossom into something beautifull.I know that other mentoring couples are very liberal when it comes to their sexuality, but me and demuslim both have girlfriends so so far nothing has happend. I've been wanting to make a difference in a player's life. Guide his career, help him from experience, tutor a younger, promising person. Someone who is talented, hard-working, friendly and deserving. Perhaps, in the end, I will not make a difference, yet maybe I willy contribute in some small way to the success in their career. Whether this would be through advice in the game itself, or by the eSports management around it. No matter what, the player will have his own fate in his own hands; should be free to make his own decisions; and will always be the main proponent of his own success. The player needs to be motivated, self-sufficient, and to be serious. I just want to help him along a little.
It's important to realize why I am sharing this news with you guys, because some people might think, "what of it?". I do not fault those people for their reactions. But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass, I'm ready to devote some time to mentor someone, and I've chosen Demuslim from Team EG. He's pretty young, and could benefit from my experience. From my part, I expect I'll feel satisfaction when I see him do well, though I have no goal or benefit in mind. Incidentally, Demuslim had helped me when I was new to the SC2 scene when I was not even a decent player yet. He 5 rax reapered my ass and made me QQ. He took time to teach me new build orders, walk me through them, analyzed my replays and basically coached me some in the game.
Benjamin 'Demuslim' Baker is 22 years old, is living in the EG House in Arizona and is planning to go all out for his pro-gaming career. He has shown some promise on the international scene, is a well mannered and pretty mature player, and is just a really nice guy.
A small fact sheet.
1. I am not taking Demuslim away from his team. I have spoken to EG and they are happy with the arrangement. 2. There is no financial payment from me to Demuslim, or from Demuslim to me, save for the occasional sexual favor. 3. Demuslim is not on team liquid. I would like to act as his mentor. 4. Whatever role I will have, it should prove a negligible effect compared to his own performances in all regards. As you can see at some IEM's, he has already displayed a high level of play, for example by Top 8 @ Sao Paolo IEM and qualifying for MLG new york. 5. The reason I'm telling you is to avoid rumors of Team Liquid poaching Demuslim. I just want to help. 6. You might think of me as Demuslim's mentor or adviser. Demuslim is to be my apprentice or 'padawan'.
Also, Follow his Twitch stream to find out when he'll be streaming (he doesn't do this very frequently yet, but may increase the frequency): http://twitch.tv/Demuslim
About me, and about being a solo player: Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match.
On February 18 2012 11:48 Liquid`NonY wrote: I think it's great that you are paving the way for such relationships to exist in the scene. So brave, so ambitious.
So brave of you to come out in favor of this NonY!!!
On February 18 2012 11:50 zSnowy wrote: Am I the only one seeing that this has things that are exactly the same, as in, copy pasted from Grubby's recent thread on the same subject?
yes but it was so obvious no one said it.. well except u
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: 2. There is no financial payment from me to Demuslim, or from Demuslim to me, save for the occasional sexual favor.
This line just made my day.
Congrats on the (Mentorship?) hope you 2 do well in the future!.
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: About me, and about being a solo player: Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match.
About me, and about being a solo player: Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match.
On February 18 2012 11:48 Liquid`NonY wrote: I think it's great that you are paving the way for such relationships to exist in the scene. So brave, so ambitious.
Ret, I love you. A lot. I've always been afraid to admit I had feelings for you.. But now it seems it is too late. I see you have found a completely heterosexual life partner and I was too slow.
Omg Ret you are such a Baller, and Demuslim you are so LUCKY.... I HOPE nothing but the best for you guys just look at this great feedback
On February 18 2012 00:17 Son of Gnome wrote: Sweet ret :D
On February 18 2012 00:17 Pokebunny wrote: Awesome, congrats to DeMuslim I hope such an arrangement works out well!
On February 18 2012 00:17 masterbreti wrote: This is kinda really awesome of you Ret. Taking players under your wing like you are with DeMuslim.
Pretty awesome work you do with casting and playing and in general being a baller. Keep up the good work!
On February 18 2012 00:18 Elite__ wrote: i always thought DeMuslim reminded me of you Ret :p! this is really awesome, and you're a really nice guy to do this... i hope DeMuslim comes out of it with even better skills to display at tournaments
On February 18 2012 00:19 evofantasy wrote: this is a great news... i love ur stream and from watching it and how u interact with everyone, without a doubt u will be a great mentor especially with the amount of experience you had... as for DeMuslim, i love his aggressive playstyle which looks really promising...
would be awaiting anxiously to see how the growth it!
On February 18 2012 00:20 Makuly wrote: gogo Ret
On February 18 2012 00:22 KadaverBB wrote: Very nice
I hope you will be a great mentor, just dont let DeMuslim win every tournament he enters, leave some for yourself :D
On February 18 2012 00:22 Holdinga wrote: Ret is one sick nerd baller.
On February 18 2012 00:26 lichter wrote: Good luck Ret! Good luck DeMuslim! Big fan of the both of you :D
On February 18 2012 00:29 Durp wrote: This is awesome.
The only way this could get better if we start having additions to Team Ret
On February 18 2012 12:15 Mobius_1 wrote: It's well-known that Liquid never recruits players with names longer than 6 letter anyway. EG had nothing to worry about.
But wish you two all the best. And what Nony said.
BUT EG does like liquid players with 3 letter names. Liquid recently signed a Korean Zerg, kind of like how they signed a Korean Protoss (Hero) before they lost Huk.
Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match.
"While we are not homosexual (I SWEAR TO GOD) I have to admit that we do have strong feelings for each other, and that is why I believe we will make both our carreers blossom into something beautifull.I know that other mentoring couples are very liberal when it comes to their sexuality, but me and demuslim both have girlfriends so so far nothing has happend" - RET
Does this imply something will indefinitely happen in the near future, or something which doesn't directly involve Ret + Demuslim already happened???........couple swapping?! SCANDAL!!!!!!!!!!
On February 18 2012 11:43 DeMusliM wrote: It's an honour.
This may be off topic, but I know people always say "its an honor" instead of "its a honor" since H is not a vowel, is there a silly english rule about that or is it just because its easier to say?
On February 18 2012 11:43 DeMusliM wrote: It's an honour.
This may be off topic, but I know people always say "its an honor" instead of "its a honor" since H is not a vowel, is there a silly english rule about that or is it just because its easier to say?
On February 18 2012 11:43 DeMusliM wrote: It's an honour.
This may be off topic, but I know people always say "its an honor" instead of "its a honor" since H is not a vowel, is there a silly english rule about that or is it just because its easier to say?
I believe it has something to do with the way it's spoken, rather than written. The H is silent, giving the "ah" sound which is appropriate for an.
On February 18 2012 11:43 DeMusliM wrote: It's an honour.
This may be off topic, but I know people always say "its an honor" instead of "its a honor" since H is not a vowel, is there a silly english rule about that or is it just because its easier to say?
Um, there's no glottal stop in "honor." It's pronounced /ˈɒnər/ in Standard American English; for British English, I don't think there's a glottal stop either, though some of the vowels could be marginally different. The reason why people write "an honor" is because it starts with [ɒ], which is a vowel sound.
Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match.
A fair & funny enough ridicule, but you would think that the two players behind the biggest SC2 fuck-ups so far this year (an IEM quarterfinal and an IPL acematch vs Prime) wouldn't be quite so quick to pounce on people making themselves look stupid..
Notice how he doesn't mention adoption in the post. Ret and Demuslim to raise a korean baby together by the end of the year. Now the question is, will the baby play Z or T?
On February 18 2012 13:09 Dynasty1 wrote: Notice how he doesn't mention adoption in the post. Ret and Demuslim to raise a korean baby together by the end of the year. Now the question is, will the baby play Z or T?
Zerg, obviously since this is definitely Ret X DeMusliM rather than DeMusliM x Ret, Ret's the uke here, he's got dominance. DeMusliM is the seme and will be submissive. Ret's got the lead.
On February 18 2012 13:09 Dynasty1 wrote: Notice how he doesn't mention adoption in the post. Ret and Demuslim to raise a korean baby together by the end of the year. Now the question is, will the baby play Z or T?
Zerg, obviously since this is definitely Ret X DeMusliM rather than DeMusliM x Ret, Ret's the uke here, he's got dominance. DeMusliM is the seme and will be submissive. Ret's got the lead.
On February 18 2012 11:43 DeMusliM wrote: It's an honour.
This may be off topic, but I know people always say "its an honor" instead of "its a honor" since H is not a vowel, is there a silly english rule about that or is it just because its easier to say?
Um, there's no glottal stop in "honor." It's pronounced /ˈɒnər/ in Standard American English; for British English, I don't think there's a glottal stop either, though some of the vowels could be marginally different. The reason why people write "an honor" is because it starts with [ɒ], which is a vowel sound.
There's a glottal stop if you say "a honor" but not if you say "an honor." Link
Demuslin sucks cos he did not take a picture with me at IEM SP - By the way, its not São Paolo (its São Paulo) anyway ... Hope the best for both of you guys!!
On February 18 2012 13:09 Dynasty1 wrote: Notice how he doesn't mention adoption in the post. Ret and Demuslim to raise a korean baby together by the end of the year. Now the question is, will the baby play Z or T?
Zerg, obviously since this is definitely Ret X DeMusliM rather than DeMusliM x Ret, Ret's the uke here, he's got dominance. DeMusliM is the seme and will be submissive. Ret's got the lead.
I think they'll adopt Morrow and have a Z who plays TvZ.
Seems a little bit cruel towards Grubby. I agree, his post earlier was a bit odd, but you could have just chuckled about it and left it alone. No need for public humiliation.
Funny... but mean.
Maybe Grubby is a sensitive guy and cares about people.... guess he'll learn his lesson!
So officially Demuslim is a fraction of the Professional Man/Gamer that Ret is, and Ret has humbly offered to donate his far more precious time to assisting Demuslim in reaching his maximum potential (Still not as high as Ret's minimum potential). AND Ret will conduct the official PR campaign and handle any important documents or questions as his ability to communicate the correct and accurate responses is obscenely more superior then Demuslim is capable of producing? AND Team Liquid is officially the Master and EG the Padawan?
The question then, will Ret be forced to battle Demuslim on top of a Volcano map and leave his former students base engulfed in flames while he escapes with the girl? Idra then rescues Demuslim and rebuilds him as Darthmuslim, who is a Zerg player and tells him he accidentally cheesed his girlfriend in a game causing her to leave with Ret? Well?
Really weird move. Grubby tries to help a younger player with his long and experienced past of being a pro-gamer and gets trolled by a copy paste. Really too easy.
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: 2. There is no financial payment from me to Demuslim, or from Demuslim to me, save for the occasional sexual favor.
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: Perhaps, in the end, I will not make a difference, yet maybe I willy contribute in some small way to the success in their career.
On February 18 2012 00:15 Grubby wrote: Perhaps, in the end, I will not make a difference, yet maybe I willy contribute in some small way to the success in their career.
"Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. I recently smashed Grubby in the MLG qualifcation tournament and shoutcraft invitiational 3rd and 4th place match."
omfg... ROFL Hahhahaahaha I almost died laughing.
I hope Demuslim blossoms like a very sensual flower as a result of this, GLHF you guys!
The question then, will Ret be forced to battle Demuslim on top of a Volcano map and leave his former students base engulfed in flames while he escapes with the girl? Idra then rescues Demuslim and rebuilds him as Darthmuslim, who is a Zerg player and tells him he accidentally cheesed his girlfriend in a game causing her to leave with Ret? Well?
This is probably the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum. Ass-kissing enough for you? Hopefully. PS will you encourage him to 2rax more? I know Zergs enjoy that build.
Well done troll. Not nice, but I hope done in fun.
Because, well, whether you like it or not, this is kindof how things go. Pro players aren't always going to keep slamming their heads against the semis or quarterfinals in tournaments - they get older, they get wiser, they find that money is more in promoting and fostering newer players and helping them. I can't think of any pro gamers that are past 30 (there may be, I just don't know any (or want to offend anyone ) and still at the top of the rankings - the ones that are retired or semi-retired either move out of eSports, or into the offices, casting, and coaching jobs. (All for the better, I think.)
I think he's mad at grubby selfpromoting himself. Grubby could have had that same relationship to Feast, without making a huge deal about it on tl.
Maybe. Or else maybe someone at Millenium would have heard Feast talking about the business aspects of being a pro player (getting a better contract, how to deal with things outside of actual gameplay) and go all "OH HELL NO! Millienium ain't getting poached by no one man team!" - and then we get all TSL-style drama. Besides... Grubby's gotta be self-promoting. It's what a team does, and since he IS a team, he's gotta be the one doing it.
I still want to see 2v2 showmatch - Ret/Demu vs Feast/Grubby. SirScoots, Nazgul, Cassandra, Llewellys - get on it! And then that can become epic rivalry slashfic.
Knowing that Grubby is a very big troll himself, I wouldn't be surprised if his reaction would be just a good laugh at all of this. Anyways, after reading Ret's post I can't help but having a feeling of something being done really really wrong here. Don't know, maybe it's just me though.
On February 18 2012 20:01 HyunA wrote: gratz jerk de kroon. i just lost all respect for you. gl
Me too, I was hoping Ret could learn a bit from Grubby outside the game, but I guess not.
Internet = serious business
rofl that's such a dumb comment
On February 18 2012 20:16 lycan wrote: Ret seems abit homophobic since he has to state he is not so obvious. For the rest nice joke but abit too childish for me.
gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
On February 18 2012 20:01 HyunA wrote: gratz jerk de kroon. i just lost all respect for you. gl
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
Could you perhaps quantify how much respect you have lost for Ret? It's very important to know exactly how much respect has been lost here.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
Could you perhaps quantify how much respect you have lost for Ret? It's very important to know exactly how much respect has been lost here.
That being said, I had a good laugh. Thanks Ret!
about a bucketful of respect. that's a lot. well all in all, ret gained and lost a few fans with this 'stunt' who cares anyways right.
You would hope that those participating in esports as so called ''pro-gamers'' would've a better understanding of it and would know the absurdity of such trolling. Ret is spitting on the very floor he tries to walk on. That guy has no respect.
With the likes of Grubby we will build great things for the growing esports, with the likes of Ret we will just be a bunch of kids playing video games that no one serious will give a crap about. This is very sad.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone (hence his original thread about the whole mentoring thing with Feast)
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
Biggest problem with this troll is that overall in eSports, Grubby has been way more succesful than Ret
yes, but in SC2 ret has placed alot higher in major tournaments than grubby, not to mention has won some to boot. grubby has yet to play a major tournament. and ret did not play warcraft 3 anyway.
Biggest problem with this troll is that overall in eSports, Grubby has been way more succesful than Ret
yes, but in SC2 ret has placed alot higher in major tournaments than grubby, not to mention has won some to boot. grubby has yet to play a major tournament. and ret did not play warcraft 3 anyway.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
To offset some of the Nuns which are apparently Starcraft fans, I have gained much respect for Ret after this post. Very clever and an entertaining read to boot. Big bonus points for including my favorite Terran player <3
On February 18 2012 20:13 SarkON wrote: Knowing that Grubby is a very big troll himself, I wouldn't be surprised if his reaction would be just a good laugh at all of this. Anyways, after reading Ret's post I can't help but having a feeling of something being done really really wrong here. Don't know, maybe it's just me though.
C'mon dude, it's all in good fun.
And besides, as you've said, Grubby is a fun, trollistic guy, who wouldnt get offended by things like this.
In fact, if he's smart, he could turn this into an advantage - a promotional tool, if you like.
Just imagine a "Battle of the no-homo pro player partnerships" being announced. Grubby/Feast taking Ret/Demuslim on in a 2v2 Bo9. And with someone like DjWheat casting it. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much win!
someone's pissy about losing "zomg first time ever in starcraft2: best wc3 vs best bw european player" match @ HSC IV ))
but in all seriousness, even tho some pros are bitchy about grubbys ways (last night on incontrol's stream), i do think there are non-game business aspects of being a progamer, which some people obviously dont understand (and/or respect), and in which grubby excells. so mocking him "mentoring" feast seems like a bitter thing to do, honestly, even if it is "all in good fun" (which it is)
p.s. Ret please post some new pictures with a scarf on so i can touch myself, while you're in the gay-phase again, thank you
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
On February 18 2012 20:13 SarkON wrote: Knowing that Grubby is a very big troll himself, I wouldn't be surprised if his reaction would be just a good laugh at all of this. Anyways, after reading Ret's post I can't help but having a feeling of something being done really really wrong here. Don't know, maybe it's just me though.
C'mon dude, it's all in good fun.
And besides, as you've said, Grubby is a fun, trollistic guy, who wouldnt get offended by things like this.
In fact, if he's smart, he could turn this into an advantage - a promotional tool, if you like.
Just imagine a "Battle of the no-homo pro player partnerships" being announced. Grubby/Feast taking Ret/Demuslim on in a 2v2 Bo9. And with someone like DjWheat casting it. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much win!
It's already promoted it a little - I hadn't even seen the thread by Grubby but now I have thanks to Ret
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius.fooling the community for money.
silly him, never heard of probe rushing in a televised game :D
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius.fooling the community for money.
silly him, never heard of probe rushing in a televised game :D
i never put aside my personality to please the community... and never will
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones).
The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius.fooling the community for money.
silly him, never heard of probe rushing in a televised game :D
i never put aside my personality to please the community... and never will
I think you please the community more than you know just by being yourself.
The amount of people butthurt by this post is quite incredible xD I thought Grubby's fanboys from the old W3 days would have grown up by now, but what do I know...
Also people saying Grubby never BMs and respects everyone should do some research before posting. I think I even saw someone comparing Grubby to WhiteRa o_0
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
lol, i remember this chatlog. that was a long time ago from about 2006/2007 i wouldn't take it serious though. Eric and his team were some of the worst flamers and obviously the players knew each other before. so how can you judge someone without knowing the whole story? my guess is it was pure trolling all game.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
Really? I appreciate people being honest more than people that are fake, regardless if they are a cunt or not, at least they are a honest cunt and show me respect by not trying to lie and manipulate me by being someone else and in return for that they get my respect. Sure, I might not like them on a personal level, but at least we have a mutual understanding of who each of us are and a baseline of respect.
Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
no fun in being fake
Agreed Nani :D if im in a good mood il say gl hf and gg. if im in a bad mood i say. stfu and play and then go die. emotions are very hard to control in a game as competetive as starcraft 2
Biggest problem with this troll is that overall in eSports, Grubby has been way more succesful than Ret
yes, but in SC2 ret has placed alot higher in major tournaments than grubby, not to mention has won some to boot. grubby has yet to play a major tournament. and ret did not play warcraft 3 anyway.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
no fun in being fake
Agreed Nani :D if im in a good mood il say gl hf and gg. if im in a bad mood i say. stfu and play and then go die. emotions are very hard to control in a game as competetive as starcraft 2
you're allowed to be in a bad mood but taking it out on others is wrong. "emotions are very hard to control" for you only because you're ok with bming people when you're angry, has nothing to do with the competitive nature of starcraft
On February 18 2012 13:42 dsousa wrote: Seems a little bit cruel towards Grubby. I agree, his post earlier was a bit odd, but you could have just chuckled about it and left it alone. No need for public humiliation.
Funny... but mean.
Maybe Grubby is a sensitive guy and cares about people.... guess he'll learn his lesson!
That's kinda how i felt but it's probably just cause i'm a butthurt Grubby fanboy. Otherwise it would be hillarious I guess.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
moron:"WC3 was Awesome" otherMoron:"LOL!! BW was soooo much harder, if he did that he'd have no penis hahaaha look how funny I am" moron:"Basketball is harder than football" thirdMoron:"My cock is harder"
meMoron: "SHUT THE FUCK UP"!""!"!"!"!"!"!!!!!!!!~!!!!
I'm sure Grubby is crying bitter tears over this. But certainly the offense some people here are taking on his behalf provides some consolation.
In other words: "Am I the only one who thinks that Grubby made a post that was a little silly/weird/unnecessary and his fellow Dutchie teased him with a (funny) troll post and some douchebags with too much time and too little brains make it out to be something mean/unmannered/hurting ESPORTZ?"
Yeah what am I saying, it's probably pure hate/envy between them and behind their friendly demeanor there's actually murderous psychopaths waiting to break free.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
That's completely irrelevant...
I don't want to start anything about WC3 vs BW, and that's not even the issue here. SC2 != WC3 != BW. Ret is the more successful SC2 player by a wide margin no matter how you look at it.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
moron:"WC3 was Awesome" otherMoron:"LOL!! BW was soooo much harder, if he did that he'd have no penis hahaaha look how funny I am" moron:"Basketball is harder than football" thirdMoron:"My cock is harder"
meMoron: "SHUT THE FUCK UP"!""!"!"!"!"!"!!!!!!!!~!!!!
People do this all the time. BW is better than SC2, football is better than baseball, unicorns are better than cyclops (what's the plural of cyclops?), Hanako is better than Lilly, etc etc etc.
The point is, they're different. They cannot be compared. Thus, we logically come to the conclusion that people should just shut the fuck up and stop wasting everyone's time.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
moron:"WC3 was Awesome" otherMoron:"LOL!! BW was soooo much harder, if he did that he'd have no penis hahaaha look how funny I am" moron:"Basketball is harder than football" thirdMoron:"My cock is harder"
meMoron: "SHUT THE FUCK UP"!""!"!"!"!"!"!!!!!!!!~!!!!
People do this all the time. BW is better than SC2, football is better than baseball, unicorns are better than cyclops (what's the plural of cyclops?), Hanako is better than Lilly, etc etc etc.
The point is, they're different. They cannot be compared. Thus, we logically come to the conclusion that people should just shut the fuck up and stop wasting everyone's time.
According to wikipedia Cyclopes. No idea how to say it.
I think it's kind of weird how much attention/interest this thread has gotten.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones).
The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names.
To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed.
Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll.
That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't.
As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS.
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
I'm sure Ret and Ben hate Grubby so much. SO MUCH. Oh my God do they hate him. They want him dead. They want to kill him right now. They are outside his house right now, waiting to kill him cause they hate him. Hate him so much.
avoiding being "fake" shouldn't be a free pass to be a grouch. have some respect for others. "i don't glhf if i don't mean it lololololol. look mom i'm on the internet!" good grief charlie brown
anyways they are both from the netherlands, cant be in bad taste : )
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay?
Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay?
Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page.
Ignorance at its finest.
If you actually read what I said...
On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote: Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
there is almost noone behind the scenes whos mannered ;D only Sheth and Whitera are extremly manner all the time that i know ;D
But yeah, grubby is obviously a very smart guy and since this scene ( sc2 scene ) only cares about immitating the koreans aka never saying anything bad EVER grubby will ofcourse adapt to how it works in order to get extremly popular. If you ask me its genius. fooling the community for money.
While it may be true almost nobody is as manner as they seem, I do appreciate it when people atleast make some effort to hide what an unbelievable cunt they are. Maybe a mentorship would be good for you too, you could learn alot.
no fun in being fake
Agreed Nani :D if im in a good mood il say gl hf and gg. if im in a bad mood i say. stfu and play and then go die. emotions are very hard to control in a game as competetive as starcraft 2
Are you the kinda guy who thinks it's acceptable to yell at everyone and punch walls because you're frustrated and need to vent it out?
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
No one denies that. I was a long time fan of grubby in WC3 and there is no doubt he is a true progamer. His attitude, his mental strength, his PR abilitys, his smart mind and not at least his skill make him what he is.
Ret`s post is funny, cuz it shows how "unnecessary" Grubbys post was. All it was is a PR move. Still - I don`t wanna hate on grubby, but as he pro he has to deal with it when people make fun of those things. I am sure this isn`t super serious at all. Grubby could have chosen to be a mentor to Feast and keep this arangement between the two, but he decided to go public.
Even if Grubby wrote that Feasts success will totally belong to him alone (if he becomes a big star), people will always associate Grubby with him and his success. If this agreement never would have been public, Grubby could have done the exact same things with/to Feast as he intends to do now, but without any fame. A little mockery shouldn`t hurt him that much right now, if he gains longterm recognition for what he did. Maybe he plans on opening a coaching/management agency. Who the hell knows? It would make sense though.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay?
Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page.
On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote: Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins.
Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety.
Either way I'm done with this thread. If you're going to troll, put more effort into it than a copy paste. It's okay Ret, try trolling on your stream so you get half as many viewers as he does
Or hey, try playing WoW or LoL for a living. Your trolling style would fit very well in both community's. LoL would love you for being lazy, WoW would love you because people would think it was good.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones).
The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names.
To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed.
Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll.
That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't.
As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS.
But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football.
Can someone help me please, I'm searching for 'ret' at Wikipedia to see if Grubby has indeed a 100% win rate against him on lan but don't know whether it's the Romanian village, Retford railway station or the Sudanese politician that is the correct one?
On February 18 2012 22:00 Longshank wrote: Can someone help me please, I'm searching for 'ret' at Wikipedia to see if Grubby has indeed a 100% win rate against him on lan but don't know whether it's the Romanian village, Retford railway station or the Sudanese politician that is the correct one?
None of the above, nonfactor players don't have their own wikipedia pages.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay?
Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page.
Ignorance at its finest.
If you actually read what I said...
On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote: Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins.
Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety.
Calm down, lol. You're drawing this waaay out of reason. Was it your GF that Ret stole or what?
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
I'm not fanboy of Grubby, I don't like crystal polished players, i like calm and nice people. When someone needs to say F*** he should say F*** not carrying about "community" who is one day loving some guy and another is throwing pitchforks at him ( hello Mr. Sundance ). But when you want to throw some F word be sure you will be compared to White-Ra and other players. I don't talk about stupid things like "being ahead 2 planetary and still lose to some storms" - that is just raging and we should criticize that kind of statements.
It's like Incontrol who sometimes make bad jokes... but at the end of the day Im sure he didn't want to make anyone feel bad . And comparing games is lame too:/
To BW people - yes, your game was hard, it was like driving a Fomula 1 car in old times, manual gearbox, no carbon monocoque. I bet drivers from old times would kick some young asses. SC2 is new game, WC3 was totally different, maybe easier. But you can't compare everything to BW... they were playing other game, they switched they are playing better and worse games. That's all.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay?
Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page.
Ignorance at its finest.
If you actually read what I said...
On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote: Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins.
Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety.
Either way I'm done with this thread. If you're going to troll, put more effort into it than a copy paste. It's okay Ret, try trolling on your stream so you get half as many viewers as he does
Or hey, try playing WoW or LoL for a living. Your trolling style would fit very well in both community's. LoL would love you for being lazy, WoW would love you because people would think it was good.
It really makes me sad that what I perceive as some friendly trolling leads to comments like this. Please Grubby or Ret come in this thread and help clearing things up. Also, I´m sorry to sound harsh, but Nani´s comment completely pisses me off. I really can´t believe that almost everybody in SC2 is just faking being nice to hide their actual "bad" personality. Sometimes I seem to forget that most players are in their late teens/early twenties but I want to believe that even at this pretty young age you already learned the difference between keeping it real and just acting like a dick because of your own insecurity or whatever. There might be only very few people who are really good by nature. But most gamers and human beings in general that I know think it´s the right thing to do to act in a respecting and manner way to people they don´t know too well. And that´s not to fool somebody but that´s what I expect people to act to me too. I will say whatever I want to people if I think it´s necessary but I will try to choose words that won´t get people offended unnecessarily.
On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote: That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China.
Still he won a lot!
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
I'm not fanboy of Grubby, I don't like crystal polished players, i like calm and nice people. When someone needs to say F*** he should say F*** not carrying about "community" who is one day loving some guy and another is throwing pitchforks at him ( hello Mr. Sundance ). But when you want to throw some F word be sure you will be compared to White-Ra and other players. I don't talk about stupid things like "being ahead 2 planetary and still lose to some storms" - that is just raging and we should criticize that kind of statements.
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones).
The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names.
To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby.
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed.
Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll.
That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't.
As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS.
But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football.
I said I was done, but couldn't resist. So the player you're so eager to defend did the following. A: Skipped out on the chance at tons of money and notoreity, for nothing. B: Knowingly chose to play a game he knew he couldn't succeed at.
THEN you go on to compare the games... You win good sir, you win.
I will now rest easy knowing that Ret, knowing he could have accomplished more in wc3, stayed in BW for no reason. Stupidity like that would explain this thread, works for me.
Loggin out thanks for the great morning treat before work
On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote: gratz ret -.- i lost a lot respect to you. Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby). If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor.
I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone.
Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular.
After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know.
Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career,
I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from.
That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice.
Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones).
The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names.
To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby.
On February 18 2012 21:39 InSSerenity wrote:
On February 18 2012 21:33 Imbu wrote:
On February 18 2012 21:19 InSSerenity wrote:
On February 18 2012 21:16 Squeegy wrote:
On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote: Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling. I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world? Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors.
Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either.
Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad.
1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA)
To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls.
I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed.
Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll.
That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't.
As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS.
But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football.
I said I was done, but couldn't resist. So the player you're so eager to defend did the following. A: Skipped out on the chance at tons of money and notoreity, for nothing. B: Knowingly chose to play a game he knew he couldn't succeed at.
THEN you go on to compare the games... You win good sir, you win.
I will now rest easy knowing that Ret, knowing he could have accomplished more in wc3, stayed in BW for no reason. Stupidity like that would explain this thread, works for me.
Loggin out thanks for the great morning treat before work
But he didn't know that. Ret went quite far and even played in a pro-team in Korea. That is his peak and it happened very late in BW. Examples where people stay within their field despite better prospects in something else are numerous. Money is not everything. Success in WC3 would have been something inferior and not the real thing. He would always be the guy who did not make it in BW so he went to WC3.
Ok , being as drunk as I am now , I read the grubby OP , a few comments then someone linked over here , read the OP and thought "these partnerships sound cool" then I read the comments on this thread , laughed my ass off XD (since everything now fell into context) holy shit ! now back to the comments on the grubby thread , I hope I find some more epic lolz
What a jerkish and unnecessary post/thread, can't handle that you are no longer the most supported dutch sc2 player anymore or what? Hope Grubby will smash you up every tourney from now and will so not support you anymore
On February 18 2012 22:23 WallieP wrote: What a jerkish and unnecessary post/thread, can't handle that you are no longer the most supported dutch sc2 player anymore or what? Hope Grubby will smash you up every tourney from now and will so not support you anymore
On February 18 2012 22:23 WallieP wrote: What a jerkish and unnecessary post/thread, can't handle that you are no longer the most supported dutch sc2 player anymore or what? Hope Grubby will smash you up every tourney from now and will so not support you anymore
LOL
You people...
Being funny over someone else back is never a good thing, you can think it is but it isnt even how funny it might be
Everything is just so much more fun when not everyone is always nice to each other and everyone things that everyone else is a 'fantastic player' (I have heard similar phrases for probably 500 players already).
Ret, I did not expect this trolling coming from you, unnecessary.. Your lack of respect/pride towards a fellow dutchy, a highly respected player/person...made you loose another fan for good.
this does not sound funny at all more disrespectful towards grubby. Maybe the joke is that feast is already way better than demuslim and therefore it would have made more sense to mentor demuslim?
On February 18 2012 22:34 Seph02 wrote: Ret, I did not expect this trolling coming from you, unnecessary.. Your lack of respect/pride towards a fellow dutchy, a highly respected player/person...made you loose another fan for good.
It was a joke. Grubby is not even getting offended by this. Just his butt hurt fans like you.
Just because Ret is poking fun at Grubby's latest post doesn't mean he's about to take a raiding party to his home to pillage it, geez. People need to realize that you can respect someone without worshipping every move they make.
I found it bad PR for Millenium. I think it's more about Grubby than Feast. It would be different when Feast would post that, or Millenium people, that they are proud of partnership with Grubby, helping Millenium players.
Now, it's just Grubby being proud of helping Feast.
On February 18 2012 21:32 Monsen wrote: I'm sure Grubby is crying bitter tears over this. But certainly the offense some people here are taking on his behalf provides some consolation.
In other words: "Am I the only one who thinks that Grubby made a post that was a little silly/weird/unnecessary and his fellow Dutchie teased him with a (funny) troll post and some douchebags with too much time and too little brains make it out to be something mean/unmannered/hurting ESPORTZ?"
Yeah what am I saying, it's probably pure hate/envy between them and behind their friendly demeanor there's actually murderous psychopaths waiting to break free.
"some douchbags with too much time and too little brains" Yeah, because a horrible attempt at trolling sure has to be funny because it came from Ret, right? I don't think anyone thought of it as bad mannered or hurting E-sportz, just a really unfunny troll from a lesser player and person....
Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
edit.
even if your statement is true... Hmm I don't want to speak for Liquid guys, but it is their forum, their rules
edit.
Some moderator should now warn Ret for trolololo...xD
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
edit.
even if your statement is true... Hmm I don't want to speak for Liquid guys, but it is their forum, their rules
edit.
Some moderator should now warn Ret for trolololo...xD
Citizens of Team Liquid! Is it not obvious?! Jos "RET" De Kroon (IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME) is declaring OPEN WAR on his fellow dutchman, Grubby, through a Team Liquid post! In fact, tomorrow he plans on going to Grubby's house, wearing a very tiny hat, and he conspires to steal his (Grubby's) teddy bear, and roast it over an open fire!
Who stole Christmas, you ask? Jos "Ret" De Kroon stole christmas! He snuck down the chimney, late at night, and struck fear into the heart of innocent little Grubby by rummaging through his drawers and unfolding all his cardigans, leaving them in a great big pile!
Okay, maybe the exaggeration wasn't completely necessary, but in essence, it's just some light poking fun, and any amount of "drama" caused by it is purely nonsense that the fans made up.
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
edit.
even if your statement is true... Hmm I don't want to speak for Liquid guys, but it is their forum, their rules
edit.
Some moderator should now warn Ret for trolololo...xD
Your sir, are funny as hell
Dude, stop hating on everything that moves and doesn't worship Grubby. We're happy for your little fetish, but don't think everyone has to agree with you.
Any other pro player could have made this thread and not get banned, I think. People who aren't pro players wouldn't have made this thread because it doesn't have the same effect then.
On February 18 2012 22:34 Seph02 wrote: Ret, I did not expect this trolling coming from you, unnecessary.. Your lack of respect/pride towards a fellow dutchy, a highly respected player/person...made you loose another fan for good.
It was a joke. Grubby is not even getting offended by this. Just his butt hurt fans like you.
It might have been just a joke. But it seems to me like the reason behind why Ret and Demuslim made this post was because they were offended by Grubby's post. Not sure why you take Ret/Demuslim's side when Grubby's "butt hurt fans" are responding in same way as Ret/Demuslim... :D
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
edit.
even if your statement is true... Hmm I don't want to speak for Liquid guys, but it is their forum, their rules
edit.
Some moderator should now warn Ret for trolololo...xD
Your sir, are funny as hell
Dude, stop hating on everything that moves and doesn't worship Grubby. We're happy for your little fetish, but don't think everyone has to agree with you.
Any other pro player could have made this thread and not get banned, I think. People who aren't pro players wouldn't have made this thread because it doesn't have the same effect then.
Pretty much this. I've noticed a few posts now which have made the retarded claim 'any other poster would've been banned' but not 1 has said why such a post should be banned. A thread which hurts the feelings of about half a dozen people is not a reason for a ban or close
On February 18 2012 22:34 Seph02 wrote: Ret, I did not expect this trolling coming from you, unnecessary.. Your lack of respect/pride towards a fellow dutchy, a highly respected player/person...made you loose another fan for good.
It was a joke. Grubby is not even getting offended by this. Just his butt hurt fans like you.
It might have been just a joke. But it seems to me like the reason behind why Ret and Demuslim made this post was because they were offended by Grubby's post. Not sure why you take Ret/Demuslim's side when Grubby's "butt hurt fans" are responding in same way as Ret/Demuslim... :D
But in what style this is classic. :o just like old teamliquid from BW timmes
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
edit.
even if your statement is true... Hmm I don't want to speak for Liquid guys, but it is their forum, their rules
edit.
Some moderator should now warn Ret for trolololo...xD
Your sir, are funny as hell
Dude, stop hating on everything that moves and doesn't worship Grubby. We're happy for your little fetish, but don't think everyone has to agree with you.
Any other pro player could have made this thread and not get banned, I think. People who aren't pro players wouldn't have made this thread because it doesn't have the same effect then.
* Dude * (lol) Its has nothing to do with Grubby, its about being funny over someones back and just be a jerk/ bad troll for no reason at all
anyone that defends Ret here, i feel, is shooting themselves in the foot
it's only funny if the person targeted is laughing. so far there's been no post, no comment, no statement that grubby was in on this joke and was fine with it. this is straight up bullying.
On February 18 2012 23:04 MisterTea wrote: great thread, Lol at all the haters in here that cant take a joke. Dont find it funny? then dont read it
And how do I find out if I like or dislike it without reading?
Dumbest logic ever...
Besides that I don't see how people can find this funny, "ooh he mentioned sexual favors, so funny" , this is basically a copy-paste from grubbys post and then some replaced words to make it a douchy post towards grubby, such as
But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass
which clearly indicates what demuslim and ret though of grubbys post.
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass,
On February 18 2012 11:43 Liquid`Ret wrote: But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass,
How can this have the same title? Quickly it became obvious that it was a parody of Grubbys post.
I skimmed through the thread to find his fiery response which should be something in the likes of
"Bitches you hatin? Lets do a grudgemuch(punny,xDD) between ME, GRUBBY THE ETERNAL and RET! WINNER GETS TO CUDDLE WITH INCONTROL IN THE NEXT LAN! LOSER WILL ATTEND A NAIL SALON WITH IDRA ARTOSIS AND NESTEA, GETTING ALL PRETTY WHILE DISCUSSING BALANCE!"
But alas I found nothing like that. I was dissapointed.
Awesome, Ret. P.S: I swear to God I was thinking of finding a "P.S: No homo" down the end of your post, but sadly I didn't. Still laughed the shit outta that thought.
On February 18 2012 23:33 CaM27 wrote: Nothing funny about this post. Moving on. Ret should try harder to hide his jealousy to be honest.
Agree. Its abit sad actually. Ret all alone in his room at his moms house, editing Grubby's post, gloating about his joke.
Agreed. Disrespectful thread full of jealousy and hidden intentions by Ret. He lost many fans today, I'm sure.
Also disappointed about DeMuslim...
To think Ret, the cuddible sex lion that he is, could be so disrespectful. I for one will be covering up his webcam when he streams and will force myself to watch him play Protoss (It's protoss right?)
That was really weird and confusing. Only by chance I found out in the comments about the Grubby topic. People who didn't see that one will really wonder what the hell is going on here.
Biggest problem with this troll is that overall in eSports, Grubby has been way more succesful than Ret
yes, but in SC2 ret has placed alot higher in major tournaments than grubby, not to mention has won some to boot. grubby has yet to play a major tournament. and ret did not play warcraft 3 anyway.
Irrelevant, Ret played BW, but never won anything as big as Grubby did in WC3.
However I still find this thread funny, just hope people don't accept that even though Grubby has shown no major results in SC2, he is still a very experienced player who can teach a young kid like Feast alot about the progaming life, tournaments etc.
At first I was like only mildly smiling about this troll post. Yeah, quite funny. :/
The most hilarious part, however, are serious people posting serious fanboy stuff. How stupid to compare tournament results or get excited about such mild bm. Those people should get over it.
Still, my opinion on that comparison stuff. Grubby was like one of the best WC3 Player, but even if you win at the special olympics, you are still ... .
On February 19 2012 00:38 C[h]ili wrote: At first I was like only mildly smiling about this troll post. Yeah, quite funny. :/
The most hilarious part, however, are serious people posting serious fanboy stuff. How stupid to compare tournament results or get excited about such mild bm. Those people should get over it.
Still, my opinion on that comparison stuff. Grubby was like one of the best WC3 Player, but even if you win at the special olympics, you are still ... .
Well if you are gonna compare it like that foreign bw was like special olympics as well
On February 19 2012 00:38 C[h]ili wrote: At first I was like only mildly smiling about this troll post. Yeah, quite funny. :/
The most hilarious part, however, are serious people posting serious fanboy stuff. How stupid to compare tournament results or get excited about such mild bm. Those people should get over it.
Still, my opinion on that comparison stuff. Grubby was like one of the best WC3 Player, but even if you win at the special olympics, you are still ... .
Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass
this was not nice at all. i understand trolling but straight-up insulting players is bad.
yes that was the part that seemed to show his real attitude behind making the post (which is NOT only trolling but insulting at least that's how i would perceive it).
And the guy saying that ANYONE else would have been banned for that is so 100% spot on. TL.net does not treat trolling or insulting lightly, like ever.
Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
All I'm saying that the post is distasteful and unnecessary. Am I personally offended? No, and I doubt anyone else is. Jokes are cool, just in good taste. Why make a mockery of a pure and goodhearted gesture?
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
There is a difference between not finding something funny and being emotionally damaged and grossly exaggerating the situation. Take the guy I quote below, whose post shows he not only thinks it isn't funny, he instead instantly determines that ret has no character, no class, is horribly bad mannered, and is making the post out of his jealousy towards grubby because of his 'stagnating skill'. Ummm....
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
On February 18 2012 00:15 Grubby wrote: Think about fans, who are at the core of our eSports industry. Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
There is some kind of SC2 President election incoming:D?
I would like to thank Grubby, a man of honour, philanthropist.
Sase had sound problems during that match and paused the game to alt tab and fix it when he returned grubby resumed the game. Sase paused again and said to grubby i have sound problems. Grubby resumed with the comment i dont care.
One day,WSVG China,All of the matchs 16-8 is over except Grubby's game.But Grubby refuse to start the game without any explanation.He insist on to start the game next day.That takes a lot of trouble for the matchs of 8-4.He did not care that and the millions of fans at all! That is a fews example of Grubby showing his bad manner.
I think everyone should follow grubby, he is so mannered, and you Ret:D go to hell!
Well in my opinion the grubby thread did seem a little self centered and what not so I can kinda see where Ret is coming from.
Granted being a lurker most the time i didn't comment in the Grubby thread, but i think I can comment in this thread about how I think the Grubby thread was kinda attention whoring.
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
what mentorship does grubby have?
Grubby made a post, person above me posted the link. Grubby will be helping mentor/coach an up-and-coming protoss player. The grubby fanboys (myself) included are angry for multiple reasons.
Demuslim bashing Grubby on stream, along with Ret/Demuslim not showing Grubby the respect he deservs. I'll put it in different terms: Grubby is in the same boat as White-Ra, which is incidentally the boat that is a bit behind Boxer's Boat. Ret is in a boat about 2 footfields back and is nothing compared to the above mentioned players. Ret is another decent player while Grubby is an Esports Figure
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
Personally I'm not a die-hard fan for either players. I like them, but certainly can't say I'm fan. In spite of this, I still feel this is offensive to Grubby, even if it was just a joke. As a TL player he should be representing his team with a good image. This just makes me think otherwise. Though these are just my morals. Not everyone is offended by everything. You make the assumption that people are pretty much all the same.
Grubby is without a doubt above this and either ignores it or laughs about it.
The thing that I think that pisses people off, is that Demuslim and Ret, as the elementary school boys they are, offend a player/ a symbol who Does make a difference in E-sports...while at interviews you hear the two boys "caring" so much about E-sports..
If you try to be funny in public, think well before you write something..
Goswer. We get mad because we see a Progamer making fun of another Progamer openly, and not just using trollish words.
Would you like me to copy/paste the parts from his post that make Ret seem like an outright Dick? Im not saying he is doing it in bad words. But TL shouldn't support posts like this, bashing other players isn't cool. Especially when your bashing a player that means a great deal to esports, while you yourself mean literally shit.
Esports could live without Ret, but Grubby helped shape what Esports has come to be. Its like making fun of fucking White-Ra, why do it?
edit: And just like the person above me posted. Grubby is in a class of his own. He will laugh this off and just ignore it because thats how awesome he is. But ret should realize if he wants to grow his fanbase he should treat his betters with more respect
On February 19 2012 01:05 Seph02 wrote: Grubby is without a doubt above this and either ignores it or laughs about it.
The thing that I think that pisses people off, is that Demuslim and Ret, as the elementary school boys they are, offend a player/ a symbol who Does make a difference in E-sports...while at interviews you hear the two boys "caring" so much about E-sports..
If you try to be funny in public, think well before you write something..
I fixed computer of one streamers. Why I didn't post about that ?
EG is not even worth talking about, but Ret. Common wouldve not expected that from you or generally a Liquid player. Im not a huge Grubby fan but i really think its not nice to do such a thing. Well you lost a fan right here.....
On February 18 2012 00:15 Grubby wrote: Think about fans, who are at the core of our eSports industry. Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
There is some kind of SC2 President election incoming:D?
I would like to thank Grubby, a man of honour, philanthropist.
Sase had sound problems during that match and paused the game to alt tab and fix it when he returned grubby resumed the game. Sase paused again and said to grubby i have sound problems. Grubby resumed with the comment i dont care.
One day,WSVG China,All of the matchs 16-8 is over except Grubby's game.But Grubby refuse to start the game without any explanation.He insist on to start the game next day.That takes a lot of trouble for the matchs of 8-4.He did not care that and the millions of fans at all! That is a fews example of Grubby showing his bad manner.
I think everyone should follow grubby, he is so mannered, and you Ret:D go to hell!
yeah people can be sometimes unmannered. what about dimaga and TSL2, Haypro and his ... in sc1?! This all happened at wc3/sc1. and now in sc2, they are very nice etc. ret probably NOT, because of this thread.
I really must be missing why this is so offensive to some people?
To me it just seems like a joking parody, it's not being particularly mean to Grubby? Just some light ribbing, completely normal/acceptable levels at least compared to what I'm used to (but I've seen people say 2GD hated TB and stuff when it was just British banter).
I don't think Grubby is the type of person who would be offended by this, but obviously I can't speak for him. But I really don't see what is so nasty/offensive about this.
On February 18 2012 00:15 Grubby wrote: Think about fans, who are at the core of our eSports industry. Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
There is some kind of SC2 President election incoming:D?
I would like to thank Grubby, a man of honour, philanthropist.
Sase had sound problems during that match and paused the game to alt tab and fix it when he returned grubby resumed the game. Sase paused again and said to grubby i have sound problems. Grubby resumed with the comment i dont care.
One day,WSVG China,All of the matchs 16-8 is over except Grubby's game.But Grubby refuse to start the game without any explanation.He insist on to start the game next day.That takes a lot of trouble for the matchs of 8-4.He did not care that and the millions of fans at all! That is a fews example of Grubby showing his bad manner.
I think everyone should follow grubby, he is so mannered, and you Ret:D go to hell!
yeah people can sometimes unmannered. what about dimaga and TSL2, Haypro and his ... in sc1?! This all happened at in wc3/sc1. and now in sc2, they are very nice etc. ret probably NOT, because of this thread.
Ret just wanted to share it with us:{ he isn't bad
On February 19 2012 01:08 Barburas wrote: I really must be missing why this is so offensive to some people?
To me it just seems like a joking parody, it's not being particularly mean to Grubby? Just some light ribbing, completely normal/acceptable levels at least compared to what I'm used to (but I've seen people say 2GD hated TB and stuff when it was just British banter).
Oh boy, do I hear another self centered opinion on the matter... Why dont you go ahead and tell all the theists "I dont get what you guys warship god, he doesnt exist. I mean it's clear to me why don't you guys see the obvious?" No matter how much you try to justify your stance, people will always have different view. Realize that in your life quick, it will help you so much effort.
You have a long way ahead of you in your life brother....
On February 18 2012 22:53 WallieP wrote: Any random person would have been banned or at least warned for this thread and it would have been closed but guess thats not the case when it comes from a TLplayer, then its lolltrololol
Why guess? Just read the 10 commandments of TL.net.
On February 19 2012 01:08 Barburas wrote: I really must be missing why this is so offensive to some people?
To me it just seems like a joking parody, it's not being particularly mean to Grubby? Just some light ribbing, completely normal/acceptable levels at least compared to what I'm used to (but I've seen people say 2GD hated TB and stuff when it was just British banter).
Oh boy, do I hear another self centered opinion on the matter... Why dont you go ahead and tell all the theists "I dont get what you guys warship god, he doesnt exist. I mean it's clear to me why don't you guys see the obvious?" No matter how much you try to justify your stance, people will always have different view. Realize that in your life quick, it will help you so much effort.
You have a long way ahead of you in your life brother....
Can you just point out which bits are offensive to you at least? I'm not going to argue you shouldn't be offended but I just don't see what's offensive about it personally.
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
While in the other corner we have a big population of the Starcraft scene and TL in particular that would praise Ret for his amazing aim and immaculate bladder control if he so was to pee Demuslim in the eye, while Demuslim in his turn would be overjoyed for finally being noticed by the cool guys. That's just how Team Liquid works.
Funny or not, this line proves that it wasn't done in good hearted nature - "But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
On February 19 2012 01:13 frozenrb wrote: Still don't know why Ret's life is sad and lonely becouse he made this topic, and why Grubby wanted to share his news with us:D
I am pretty sure you would not ask why grubby shares his news to us if ret did not make this post.
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
There is a difference between not finding something funny and being emotionally damaged and grossly exaggerating the situation. Take the guy I quote below, whose post shows he not only thinks it isn't funny, he instead instantly determines that ret has no character, no class, is horribly bad mannered, and is making the post out of his jealousy towards grubby because of his 'stagnating skill'. Ummm....
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Some guys on the internet are idiot. Doesn't make the rest of us the same. But still, I can understand why some fans would find this disturbing. The guy you quoted states a bunch of retarded facts pretty quickly, but nonetheless, that post IS actually kinda disrespectful.
I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
You are so wrong,Grubby's manner is good as WhiteRa's.
Grubby is always been good manner and player in warcraft 3 scene.
On February 19 2012 01:13 frozenrb wrote: Still don't know why Ret's life is sad and lonely becouse he made this topic, and why Grubby wanted to share his news with us:D
I am pretty sure you would not ask why grubby shares his news to us if ret did not make this post.
I was thinking:
1: Good PR move by Grubby 2: Bad PR move by Millenium 3. Why Feast 4. Why he didn't make his own team ? ( yea he answer posted in About me, and about being a solo player: part but still ) money ? 5. He wasn't so nice in WC3 times.
I know many people who helped me, many people who do charity, i didn't saw post from anyone who accomplished much more than grubby. I found it pathetic. Why actors who give blood to others, organs... don't type on newspapers about their commitment???
They don't look for applause, just like grubby did. He lost everything in my eyes. Oh look at me Im so good i help people... GIVE MY MY MEDAL!!!
The situation will be differend when feast will made topic " I would like to thank Grubby he is helping me ".
Grubby IS HELPING him so what ? Many players do that, what make it so special ?? Becouse he is grubby and no one others give fuck to post about charity/helping? MaNa helped me once, with protos.
I can make fucking list what I made in my life, bad good things. But i don't need to publish it online and waiting for applause.
Maybe Grubby dind't look for that... but it's still bad. Help others and shut the fuck up - that's my advice.
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
You are so wrong,Grubby's manner is good as WhiteRa's.
Grubby is always been good manner and player in warcraft 3 scene.
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
There is a difference between not finding something funny and being emotionally damaged and grossly exaggerating the situation. Take the guy I quote below, whose post shows he not only thinks it isn't funny, he instead instantly determines that ret has no character, no class, is horribly bad mannered, and is making the post out of his jealousy towards grubby because of his 'stagnating skill'. Ummm....
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Some guys on the internet are idiot. Doesn't make the rest of us the same. But still, I can understand why some fans would find this disturbing. The guy you quoted states a bunch of retarded facts pretty quickly, but nonetheless, that post IS actually kinda disrespectful.
He quotes me. Id like some elaboration on what I posted that isn't true. Ret is nothing compared to Grubby. This would be like me copying a post White-Ra made then butchering the shit out of it to make me look funny/good while disrespecting a player better than myself. I may not have worded it well, but the point stands. Ret has multiple sentences in there that just make him seem like a dick. He shouldve made it a blog, and stated it was a parody/troll so that everybody knew the context this was being written in.
Once you take that into account, and the BM that demuslim did over stream about Grubby, and it really just puts them in a bad light and gives Grubby even more exposure. I just dont like that TL allows troll posts such as this. I understand Ret is on their team, but why make fun of person who is genuinely doing something good for esports.
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
There is a difference between not finding something funny and being emotionally damaged and grossly exaggerating the situation. Take the guy I quote below, whose post shows he not only thinks it isn't funny, he instead instantly determines that ret has no character, no class, is horribly bad mannered, and is making the post out of his jealousy towards grubby because of his 'stagnating skill'. Ummm....
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Some guys on the internet are idiot. Doesn't make the rest of us the same. But still, I can understand why some fans would find this disturbing. The guy you quoted states a bunch of retarded facts pretty quickly, but nonetheless, that post IS actually kinda disrespectful.
@ eshra, you mean the user ohampatu shows retarded facts?! This shows that you didnt follow wc3. grubby is a figure in esports (like ~10 times more succesful than another foreign sc1/wc3/sc2 progamer) und ret made a joke (he went too far) in this thread. This IS disrespectful (by ret).
Ok i thought Ret is a nice person, and maybe he really is, but this is just childish as hell(not even close to good troll). We all know, they not wrote this only for fun after Demuslim statement @ EG's stream yesterday.
On February 19 2012 00:46 goswser wrote: Seriously people on the internet get offended by anything. Unbelievable, I guess we had better not make jokes ever because all these random fanboys will get angry. I thought it was funny, for what its worth.
We can also think that's just not funny without being a fanboy. But I guess we better not expect people on the internet to be at least smart enough to think that way, right ?
There is a difference between not finding something funny and being emotionally damaged and grossly exaggerating the situation. Take the guy I quote below, whose post shows he not only thinks it isn't funny, he instead instantly determines that ret has no character, no class, is horribly bad mannered, and is making the post out of his jealousy towards grubby because of his 'stagnating skill'. Ummm....
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Some guys on the internet are idiot. Doesn't make the rest of us the same. But still, I can understand why some fans would find this disturbing. The guy you quoted states a bunch of retarded facts pretty quickly, but nonetheless, that post IS actually kinda disrespectful.
@ eshra, you mean the user ohampatu shows retarded facts?! This shows that you didnt follow wc3. grubby is a figure in esports (like ~10 times more succesful than another foreign sc1/wc3/sc2 progamer) und ret made a joke (he went too far) in this thread. This IS disrespectful (by ret).
That was worded badly, I'm not necessarily talking about what ohampatu stated. Tbh, I didn't even read his post ( that's bad, and I'll do it right after ). I was just pointing out that some guys state facts real fast, facts that are not always true. Regarding the wc3 e-sport scene, I actually DID follow it. And I never said i liked this post either. Quite the opposite actually.
Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
You are so wrong,Grubby's manner is good as WhiteRa's.
Grubby is always been good manner and player in warcraft 3 scene.
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Hrm, the post could have been funny but it was done in poor taste with some rather strong homophobic undertones. TeamLiquid players are starting to push the BM line these days.... really only Sheth and Hero that aren't crossing lines. Definitely disappointed in Ret after this, and am wondering where the Liquid name will go in the future of SC2.
Anyways, I'm sure all of this was meant in good jest, but imo it was just done in poor taste.
Funny when people try to point out that Grubby is BM because of the replays vs Eric.... If he's a BM person because of that then I guess White-ra is a BM person for saying mean things to Deezer ?
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
what mentorship does grubby have?
Grubby made a post, person above me posted the link. Grubby will be helping mentor/coach an up-and-coming protoss player. The grubby fanboys (myself) included are angry for multiple reasons.
Demuslim bashing Grubby on stream, along with Ret/Demuslim not showing Grubby the respect he deservs. I'll put it in different terms: Grubby is in the same boat as White-Ra, which is incidentally the boat that is a bit behind Boxer's Boat. Ret is in a boat about 2 footfields back and is nothing compared to the above mentioned players. Ret is another decent player while Grubby is an Esports Figure
You think white-ra and demuslim are better players than ret? Ret is also pretty much as big of a name in the esports world as grubby is haha. Also, this was lighthearted fun, what the fuck people.
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
You are so wrong,Grubby's manner is good as WhiteRa's.
Grubby is always been good manner and player in warcraft 3 scene.
On February 19 2012 01:56 Blasterion wrote: damn so much hate in what was a great fun thread. If I write a Grubby X Feast fanfiction would the Grubby fanboys calm down?
On February 19 2012 01:51 TheAlchemist89 wrote: Hrm, the post could have been funny but it was done in poor taste with some rather strong homophobic undertones. TeamLiquid players are starting to push the BM line these days.... really only Sheth and Hero that aren't crossing lines. Definitely disappointed in Ret after this, and am wondering where the Liquid name will go in the future of SC2.
Anyways, I'm sure all of this was meant in good jest, but imo it was just done in poor taste.
Post like these makes me wonder how humanity is going to be in 10 years time
On February 19 2012 01:48 Arnisa wrote: This post makes Ret look childish and jealous.
Jealous? The fact is that Grubby want attention.
There is Charity event in Poland, The Great Orchestra of Christmas Charity. They are in our country for 20 years. There is no Hospital, where you can't find equipment bought by them. This year they collected about 12 mln of dolars ( I may be wrong ).
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Owsiak - I newer saw article from that guy saying. Ok my name is Jerzy Owsiak and now i will be helping kids becouse many people are helping me.... It's pathetic when someone is publishing that kind of news that he wanted to help.
The situation would be different when let's say in 3 months Feast won GSL/IEM/MLG/ and he will make topic about Grubbys Help. It's just how world works. Yea Feast helped him much but still... wtf.... :/ he could skip the "solo" part
On February 19 2012 01:56 Blasterion wrote: damn so much hate in what was a great fun thread. If I write a Grubby X Feast fanfiction would the Grubby fanboys calm down?
Nah you need to write grubby x ret there is clear tension and ret simply wants to make grubby jealous by taking on his own partner.
On February 19 2012 01:56 Blasterion wrote: damn so much hate in what was a great fun thread. If I write a Grubby X Feast fanfiction would the Grubby fanboys calm down?
Nah you need to write grubby x ret there is clear tension and ret simply wants to make grubby jealous by taking on his own partner.
But then.... who's dominant and who's submissive? Ret X DeMusliM, Ret dominant Grubby X Feast, Grubby dominant Grubby X Ret/Ret X Grubby it's a toss up it goes either way.
On February 19 2012 01:51 TheAlchemist89 wrote: Hrm, the post could have been funny but it was done in poor taste with some rather strong homophobic undertones. TeamLiquid players are starting to push the BM line these days.... really only Sheth and Hero that aren't crossing lines. Definitely disappointed in Ret after this, and am wondering where the Liquid name will go in the future of SC2.
Anyways, I'm sure all of this was meant in good jest, but imo it was just done in poor taste.
Post like these makes me wonder how humanity is going to be in 10 years time
Hopefully enlightened and beyond internet trolling. Grubby tries to do something unique and nice, and Ret/Demuslim jump on it like 2 trolls... which normally would actually have been quite funny but the tone of Ret's post was very anti homosexual. Not sure why he had to go there with it. Esports is looking to take on a professional spin, and the OP isn't helping. If we want professional SC2 to stay as a "nerd online passtime" then we can keep up the status quo. I'll follow it either way, but it's important to think about and not just dismiss because "Ret is cool".
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
what mentorship does grubby have?
Grubby made a post, person above me posted the link. Grubby will be helping mentor/coach an up-and-coming protoss player. The grubby fanboys (myself) included are angry for multiple reasons.
Demuslim bashing Grubby on stream, along with Ret/Demuslim not showing Grubby the respect he deservs. I'll put it in different terms: Grubby is in the same boat as White-Ra, which is incidentally the boat that is a bit behind Boxer's Boat. Ret is in a boat about 2 footfields back and is nothing compared to the above mentioned players. Ret is another decent player while Grubby is an Esports Figure
You think white-ra and demuslim are better players than ret? Ret is also pretty much as big of a name in the esports world as grubby is haha. Also, this was lighthearted fun, what the fuck people.
You misread what i meant. Grubby and White-Ra are on similar levels. Ret is above Demuslim, but they are both in a far lower tier compared to Grubby and White-Ra. You comparing Ret to Grubby is laughable to anybody who follows all of Esports, and not just SC2
edit: im not talking about sc2 skill levels, ret and grubby are both similarly skilled being 6-5 in terms of games. I meant as iconic figures in Esports. Ret isn't one, while Grubby is
2nd edit: this was indeed all in good fun, and i applaud Ret's attempt. But he did it horribly and thats why the resulting hate is coming through.
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
Really? Ret = Jersey shore? that's your point this post is as classy as jersey shore?? hmm leave it to a German to take the fun out of the situation.
JOKING THAT IS BANTER DO NOT GET UPSET I AM SORRY I WILL SEND RICE KRISPIE TREATS AS NEEDED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.
On February 19 2012 01:56 Blasterion wrote: damn so much hate in what was a great fun thread. If I write a Grubby X Feast fanfiction would the Grubby fanboys calm down?
Probably not. But maybe if you did Grubby/Feast/Ret/Demuslim fanfic? I'm sure there's enough in this thread that you could hang a few scenes on...
On February 19 2012 01:56 Blasterion wrote: damn so much hate in what was a great fun thread. If I write a Grubby X Feast fanfiction would the Grubby fanboys calm down?
Nah you need to write grubby x ret there is clear tension and ret simply wants to make grubby jealous by taking on his own partner.
But then.... who's dominant and who's submissive? Ret X DeMusliM, Ret dominant Grubby X Feast, Grubby dominant Grubby X Ret/Ret X Grubby it's a toss up it goes either way.
That's exactly why there is tension, both are competing to make the other come over with their partners.
Heh, Grubby should thank Ret - he generated more e-hits for Grubby. I haven't even heard of the original Grubby partnership announcement, got it only from the responses in this thread. Ret rullez!
On February 19 2012 01:51 TheAlchemist89 wrote: Hrm, the post could have been funny but it was done in poor taste with some rather strong homophobic undertones. TeamLiquid players are starting to push the BM line these days.... really only Sheth and Hero that aren't crossing lines. Definitely disappointed in Ret after this, and am wondering where the Liquid name will go in the future of SC2.
Anyways, I'm sure all of this was meant in good jest, but imo it was just done in poor taste.
Post like these makes me wonder how humanity is going to be in 10 years time
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Holy shit, relax. Grubby and Ret are obviously friends in real life. You, on the other hand, are not friends with of them and don't truly know their personalities. Grubby probably doesn't give a shit about this troll so I don't understand why all you fanboys are getting your panties in a bunch over this. Just calm down and carry on with your life.
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
Really? Ret = Jersey shore? that's your point this post is as classy as jersey shore?? hmm leave it to a German to take the fun out of the situation.
JOKING THAT IS BANTER DO NOT GET UPSET I AM SORRY I WILL SEND RICE KRISPIE TREATS AS NEEDED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.
Oh yes, of course. When I see someone doing something nice, my first reaction is not wanting to make fun of it.
And the bold part is exactly the very level of class I'm talking about. What you and others might think to be funny. It's the same joke as "hehe he said wiener". Some think it's brilliant, others not.
On February 19 2012 01:31 Kuni wrote: I feel some just have no idea what kind of people all those progamers really are, acting all mannered before the crowds to grab as much attention as possible. Respect should go to those who don't pretend to be someone they are not.
I guess only WhiteRa and Sheth are genuinely nice :-)
You are so wrong,Grubby's manner is good as WhiteRa's.
Grubby is always been good manner and player in warcraft 3 scene.
His opponent was Eric. Eric was "one of the best" flamer und unmannered man. He has a natural talent to attacking everyone, even to grubby, sometimes/often very aggressive. At official matches he wasnt aggressive.
I can already see it coming... IEM/MLG Grand Final - Ret vs Grubby. Everything is prepared, when suddenly during the game one of them stands up, tagging his apprentice, who is forced to take the blame for his master :O
On February 19 2012 02:07 Xenos23 wrote: I can already see it coming... IEM/MLG Grand Final - Ret vs Grubby. Everything is prepared, when suddenly during the game one of them stands up, tagging his apprentice, who is forced to take the blame for his master :O
Im wondering if Feast will fail, will grubby take all responsible and pay his eSport bill's for rest of his life.
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Holy shit, relax. Grubby and Ret are obviously friends in real life. You, on the other hand, are not friends with of them and don't truly know their personalities. Grubby probably doesn't give a shit about this troll so I don't understand why all you fanboys are getting your panties in a bunch over this. Just calm down and carry on with your life.
Please dont jump in and start bashing my posts when you haven't read the whole thread or even all of my posts. I agree, this was all done in good fun, but it was done incorrectly. It also shouldn't be in sc2 general, shouldve been blog and Ret should have added context to it so people didn't overreact. All in all this is only going to generate more fans for Grubby and less for Ret. People (like myself) are angry (i'll admit were prolly overreacting) because of some of the snide remarks he made. Ret couldve done this post so much better and it been a hit. Good idea, bad execution. I have nothing against Ret as a player as a whole, he just really shoulda put more effort to make sure this was a post worthy of reading and not as bad as it was. I guarantee, if i copy/pasted exactly what Ret wrote, edited some of it to make it sound like me, and then re-posted. I would be banned within 10 minutes. Thats why we are angry.
On February 19 2012 01:48 Arnisa wrote: This post makes Ret look childish and jealous.
Jealous? The fact is that Grubby want attention.
There is Charity event in Poland, The Great Orchestra of Christmas Charity. They are in our country for 20 years. There is no Hospital, where you can't find equipment bought by them. This year they collected about 12 mln of dolars ( I may be wrong ).
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Owsiak - I newer saw article from that guy saying. Ok my name is Jerzy Owsiak and now i will be helping kids becouse many people are helping me.... It's pathetic when someone is publishing that kind of news that he wanted to help.
The situation would be different when let's say in 3 months Feast won GSL/IEM/MLG/ and he will make topic about Grubbys Help. It's just how world works. Yea Feast helped him much but still... wtf.... :/ he could skip the "solo" part
Grubby has his own team named TEAM GRUBBY, do you know what's good for a Team?
EXPOSURE
No shit that he wrote it for attention seeing as attention = exposure = money. Do you see every other pro making a sarcastic thread every time you see a team making an announcement? Do you see Ret making a post such as this when a team recruits a female player (female players right now = pretty much all for publicity). No, you don't.
I'm not a Grubby fanboy, I didn't play WC3 at all and I don't even play SC2 anymore. I only watch SC2 tournaments. Am I instantly a fanboy because I think it's wrong of ret to make a thread and throw out shit such as
But I'll be honest and say that it's I mainly because I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass
?
I agree people go over the line when they start comparing their results in e-sports and all that jazz but when you add the crap DeMuslim said on his stream with Rets thread it's pretty obvious that it's done in bad taste.
Also, NaNiwa I respect you for your play but all of this "i am who i am take it or leave it" is kind of bullshit. You can be who you are without 6 probe rushing, without coming into threads like this and flame players for doing a good PR job. You're a PROFESSIONAL player, you have to be professional (if you want to be rewarded for your work).
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
Really? Ret = Jersey shore? that's your point this post is as classy as jersey shore?? hmm leave it to a German to take the fun out of the situation.
JOKING THAT IS BANTER DO NOT GET UPSET I AM SORRY I WILL SEND RICE KRISPIE TREATS AS NEEDED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.
Oh yes, of course. When I see someone doing something nice, my first reaction is not wanting to make fun of it.
And the bold part is exactly the very level of class I'm talking about. What you and others might think to be funny. It's the same joke as "hehe he said wiener". Some think it's brilliant, others not.
You just proved yourself wrong, you said some find the humor brilliant others not, which implies that this post is definitely humor i.e not to be taken seriously, you also demonstrated that some people enjoy this, so why complain? Grubby hasn't said he is upset so why are you?
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Holy shit, relax. Grubby and Ret are obviously friends in real life. You, on the other hand, are not friends with of them and don't truly know their personalities. Grubby probably doesn't give a shit about this troll so I don't understand why all you fanboys are getting your panties in a bunch over this. Just calm down and carry on with your life.
Why would you assume Grubby and Ret are friends? Why would you assume Grubby doesn't give a shit? He has been travelling and is probably not even aware of this thread yet. Ret and Demuslims mockery SEEMS a bit more malicious than just good fun to me. I would imagine that being publicly mocked by your peers is atleast a little hurtful.
Then again I might be wrong. Either way this thread is about as bad as Ret's decision making. Haha.
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
Really? Ret = Jersey shore? that's your point this post is as classy as jersey shore?? hmm leave it to a German to take the fun out of the situation.
JOKING THAT IS BANTER DO NOT GET UPSET I AM SORRY I WILL SEND RICE KRISPIE TREATS AS NEEDED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.
Oh yes, of course. When I see someone doing something nice, my first reaction is not wanting to make fun of it.
And the bold part is exactly the very level of class I'm talking about. What you and others might think to be funny. It's the same joke as "hehe he said wiener". Some think it's brilliant, others not.
You just proved yourself wrong, you said some find the humor brilliant others not, which implies that this post is definitely humor i.e not to be taken seriously, you also demonstrated that some people enjoy this, so why complain? Grubby hasn't said he is upset so why are you?
Did i say I was upset? Do please quote me.
You stated:
"Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!! "
So I replied to this post of yours. Obviously I was disagreeing with the things you actually wrote, no? As humor and entertainment are subjective things I basically said I could live without this artificial and childish behavior. I like real rivalries. When one player always defeats another, or they have met so often and still are 50-50.
Grubby has his own team named TEAM GRUBBY, do you know what's good for a Team?
EXPOSURE
No shit that he wrote it for attention seeing as attention = exposure = money. Do you see every other pro making a sarcastic thread every time you see a team making an announcement? Do you see Ret making a post such as this when a team recruits a female player (female players right now = pretty much all for publicity). No, you don't.
I'm not a Grubby fanboy, I didn't play WC3 at all and I don't even play SC2 anymore. I only watch SC2 tournaments. Am I instantly a fanboy because I think it's wrong of ret to make a thread and throw out shit such as
Team Grubby isn't team. This is only name as far as I know. I can make team frozenrb.
I don't see any sarcastic posts when teams make an announcement. Cuz they are announcements!!!! and Grubby post is some kind of self promotion pr move ? Hiring a team member isn't same, because you are hiring someone ? I never saw post by team like:
We are proud to announce that we will be helping some female player because he is wearing t-shirt with cute bunny and yellow kitty. To be clear we won't give anything to her just some advices. Admire us.
Grubby has his own team named TEAM GRUBBY, do you know what's good for a Team?
EXPOSURE
No shit that he wrote it for attention seeing as attention = exposure = money. Do you see every other pro making a sarcastic thread every time you see a team making an announcement? Do you see Ret making a post such as this when a team recruits a female player (female players right now = pretty much all for publicity). No, you don't.
I'm not a Grubby fanboy, I didn't play WC3 at all and I don't even play SC2 anymore. I only watch SC2 tournaments. Am I instantly a fanboy because I think it's wrong of ret to make a thread and throw out shit such as
Team Grubby isn't team. This is only name as far as I know. I can make team frozenrb.
I don't see any sarcastic posts when teams make an announcement. Cuz they are announcements!!!! and Grubby post is some kind of self promotion pr move ? Hiring a team member isn't same, because you are hiring someone ? I never saw post by team like:
We are proud to announce that we will be helping some female player because he is wearing t-shirt with cute bunny and yellow kitty. To be clear we won't give anything to her just some advices. Admire us.
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
On February 19 2012 01:46 DrN0 wrote: Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!!
No we have Jersey Shore for that. Or we can "just be nice", without someone instantly making fun of it.
Jersey shore isn't banter, I have no idea how you can think that?
About the "level" of class and humor. About the need to jump on something that can't possibly be a bad thing, yet Ret couldn't repress is urge to make fun of it.
Really? Ret = Jersey shore? that's your point this post is as classy as jersey shore?? hmm leave it to a German to take the fun out of the situation.
JOKING THAT IS BANTER DO NOT GET UPSET I AM SORRY I WILL SEND RICE KRISPIE TREATS AS NEEDED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.
Oh yes, of course. When I see someone doing something nice, my first reaction is not wanting to make fun of it.
And the bold part is exactly the very level of class I'm talking about. What you and others might think to be funny. It's the same joke as "hehe he said wiener". Some think it's brilliant, others not.
You just proved yourself wrong, you said some find the humor brilliant others not, which implies that this post is definitely humor i.e not to be taken seriously, you also demonstrated that some people enjoy this, so why complain? Grubby hasn't said he is upset so why are you?
Did i say I was upset? Do please quote me.
You stated:
"Yawn @ rage, you guys ever heard of banter?? apparently not... and even if Grubby is upset I think he will take one look at his trophy cabinet and cheer up, we need more rivalries anyways would make more entertaining show matches. MOAR BANTER NEEDED !!!!1111!!!! "
So I replied to this post of yours. Obviously I was disagreeing with the things you actually wrote, no? As humor and entertainment are subjective things I basically said I could live without this artificial and childish behavior. I like real rivalries. When one player always defeats another, or they have met so often and still are 50-50.
Real rivalries are always fueled by what both characters say, look at what Ronaldo said about Messi. Or Frazier vs Ali, you need a few comments to add spice and make it personal, its one of the reasons WWE always has their, 'wrestlers' talking crap about other, 'wrestlers' because it adds to the rivalry, that and it's great filler. Think about Idra giving MC the finger, these are all personal and out of the game.
On February 19 2012 02:03 Gomas wrote: This is a PR move by Grubby to get his first homo thread even more hits.
Would be better if feast's mentor is a girl? Or the other way?
hmmm depends Female mentor X Feast is a very refreshing pairing. but then Feast X Female mentor would feel a bit weird and make it harder to write. I mean it isn't easy to make advances on your superiors right? I mean how many times do you get to hit on your boss.
Now we could have the situation where the Female mentor makes a move on Feast
"Mentor we can't...." Feast said desperately as he was seized by his mentor. She firmly held Feast down so that he couldn't move an inch. He was like a helpless prey in front of a hungry predator. She stared into Feast's eye with the look of a cunning a cat and slowly unbuttoned this shirt.
Grubby has his own team named TEAM GRUBBY, do you know what's good for a Team?
EXPOSURE
No shit that he wrote it for attention seeing as attention = exposure = money. Do you see every other pro making a sarcastic thread every time you see a team making an announcement? Do you see Ret making a post such as this when a team recruits a female player (female players right now = pretty much all for publicity). No, you don't.
I'm not a Grubby fanboy, I didn't play WC3 at all and I don't even play SC2 anymore. I only watch SC2 tournaments. Am I instantly a fanboy because I think it's wrong of ret to make a thread and throw out shit such as
Team Grubby isn't team. This is only name as far as I know. I can make team frozenrb.
Team Grubby is a team, or a business more to the point. It's not just a name.
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Thumbs up. We all make embarrassingly unfunny jokes in public from time to time.
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
Isn't it time for you to stop speaking out of your ass? He clearly states he has spoken to Millenium and they are fine with the arrangement.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Thumbs up. We all make embarrassingly unfunny jokes in public from time to time.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
Isn't it time for you to stop speaking out of your ass? He clearly states he has spoken to Millenium and they are fine with the arrangement.
Yea I need to post some where else that I helped my dad with his android. Im a hero. End of topic.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
I condemn u to hell Ret for having a sense of humor!!!!
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Why did you have to say this, was having fun laughing at people taking it seriously.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Bad unmannered jokes are bad and unmannered.. all respect is gone ret
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
What do you mean ? I don't think it's bad from Millenium ( that's actually a way to make on of their upcoming player improve even more ), I don't even think they have anything to do with that. ( aside from being okay with Grubbys demand )
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
Isn't it time for you to stop speaking out of your ass? He clearly states he has spoken to Millenium and they are fine with the arrangement.
Yea I need to post some where else that I helped my dad with his android. Im a hero. End of topic.
Grubby streams alot. And seems to stream more and more everyday. Him posting what he would be doing with Feast before starting it essentially stops any future shitstorms when people watch his stream and go 'omg feast leaving millenium'. Letting us know is a good thing, that way theres no confusing. Having everything in context is always good. Grubby doesn't need exposure or to say 'admire me' at all. He has more followers than most progamers put together. Why do you think he is 1 of like 2 people who are directly sponsored and dont have to be part of a full team? Exposure is the least of his worries, people go to him so he can expose them lol
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
Isn't it time for you to stop speaking out of your ass? He clearly states he has spoken to Millenium and they are fine with the arrangement.
Yea I need to post some where else that I helped my dad with his android. Im a hero. End of topic.
Grubby streams alot. And seems to stream more and more everyday. Him posting what he would be doing with Feast before starting it essentially stops any future shitstorms when people watch his stream and go 'omg feast leaving millenium'. Letting us know is a good thing, that way theres no confusing. Having everything in context is always good. Grubby doesn't need exposure or to say 'admire me' at all. He has more followers than most progamers put together. Why do you think he is 1 of like 2 people who are directly sponsored and dont have to be part of a full team? Exposure is the least of his worries, people go to him so he can expose them lol
So I may be the one person who thinks that you don't have to post about helping others? My mom always told me. Son help others, make good things but there is no need to talk about it.
On February 19 2012 02:03 Gomas wrote: This is a PR move by Grubby to get his first homo thread even more hits.
Would be better if feast's mentor is a girl? Or the other way?
hmmm depends Female mentor X Feast is a very refreshing pairing. but then Feast X Female mentor would feel a bit weird and make it harder to write. I mean it isn't easy to make advances on your superiors right? I mean how many times do you get to hit on your boss.
Now we could have the situation where the Female mentor makes a move on Feast
"Mentor we can't...." Feast said desperately as he was seized by his mentor. She firmly held Feast down so that he couldn't move an inch. He was like a helpless prey in front of a hungry predator. She stared into Feast's eye with the look of a cunning a cat and slowly unbuttoned this shirt.
Something along those lines you know.
Actually the other pairing us also possible.
"feast, we can't I am your mentor." The mentor pleaded desperately, but feast's capability to think ha already been over whelmed by his urges of lust.
Pros should stick together, they get so much crap from fans already.. They dont have to like eachoter but they should stay civil. Unless this is all preplanned by both of them to lead up to a 100$ ppv match between ret and grubby (wich it isnt) this is helping neither grubby nor ret.
The people who are now digging up transcripts of ages ago about grubby beeing bad mannerd are the lamest people ever and should deserve outright ban. They are just trying to harm a pro player, it has little to do with trolling. If grubby is bad mannerd let people find out for themselves. How about i go do a search on google to find all bad things ret and other liquid players ever said and them quote them without context. Its lame beyond believe.
Tread 30 pages shows how much dramaqueens sc fans are lol
What about the people working with Grubby ? Or even his wife ? Sponsors are with Grubby because of the exposure he can get. Yes, Grubby represents a team, his team.
Ok i agree. There could be one man team. So this is very bad move from Millenium, they don't have any agreement with TEAM GRUBBY. He is only taking care of of one Millenium member.
Isn't it time for you to stop speaking out of your ass? He clearly states he has spoken to Millenium and they are fine with the arrangement.
Yea I need to post some where else that I helped my dad with his android. Im a hero. End of topic.
Grubby streams alot. And seems to stream more and more everyday. Him posting what he would be doing with Feast before starting it essentially stops any future shitstorms when people watch his stream and go 'omg feast leaving millenium'. Letting us know is a good thing, that way theres no confusing. Having everything in context is always good. Grubby doesn't need exposure or to say 'admire me' at all. He has more followers than most progamers put together. Why do you think he is 1 of like 2 people who are directly sponsored and dont have to be part of a full team? Exposure is the least of his worries, people go to him so he can expose them lol
So I may be the one person who thinks that you don't have to post about helping others? My mom always told me. Son help others, make good things but there is no need to talk about it.
World isn't same anymore : (
Oh no you misunderstand. The world is the same. And i agree, nobody should ever try to seek admirers by saying something like 'im doing this awesome thing, admire me cause im awesome'. What i meant is that TL and r/starcraft is alot like TMZ. So him posting this ahead of time saves alot of future headaches that could potentially rise. It is a PR move, but not the kinda PR move people think it is. Grubby isn't posting that to get followers, he is posting it to avoid drama.
On February 19 2012 02:39 TotalBiscuit wrote: People found this offensive? Really?
Even if you don't find it offensive, you can't understand why some do ? Really ? Why can't people just try to think about something before stating a clear and radical fact ?
On February 19 2012 02:39 TotalBiscuit wrote: People found this offensive? Really?
People will find everything offensive....
I find it offensive that these people found this offensive!!!
They are considering making WC4 the only issue is how many 80 dollar expansion packs should they make to justify letting someone purchase the full game.
On February 19 2012 02:39 TotalBiscuit wrote: People found this offensive? Really?
Even if you don't find it offensive, you can't understand why some do ? Really ? Why can't people just try to think about something before stating a clear and radical fact ?
I personally really struggle to see how anyone could be offended by this, but maybe that's just because I'm used to British humour where it's completely the norm for friends to make fun of each other.
On February 19 2012 02:39 TotalBiscuit wrote: People found this offensive? Really?
Even if you don't find it offensive, you can't understand why some do ? Really ? Why can't people just try to think about something before stating a clear and radical fact ?
I personally really struggle to see how anyone could be offended by this, but maybe that's just because I'm used to British humour where it's completely the norm for friends to make fun of each other.
Well, a few things might be a little off-limit there. Like " i want the community to kiss my ass " or I don't remember it exactly. Once again, i'm not saying I find this offensive, but I easily understand how some would.
Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Bad unmannered jokes are bad and unmannered.. all respect is gone ret
On February 19 2012 02:43 Rassy wrote: Tread 30 pages shows how much dramaqueens sc fans are lol
we have no life... we have ugly wives/girlfriends/boys(homo part:D) thats why our life is so sad...
ps.
I fixed my dad android. I would like to thank http://forum.android.com.pl/ for helping me. I did that just because i love my dad and he helped my many times.
A small fact sheet:
1. Dad din't give me any money for the fix. I spoke with my Mom and she is happy with this agreement. 2. My dad's phone is his second android. He took second place in NFS version on his android.
My name is Frozenrb and I'm 24 years old professional graphic designer/ desktop publisher/ retouch artist / 3d artist from Poland. I work in industry for 6 years.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
On February 19 2012 02:03 Gomas wrote: This is a PR move by Grubby to get his first homo thread even more hits.
Would be better if feast's mentor is a girl? Or the other way?
hmmm depends Female mentor X Feast is a very refreshing pairing. but then Feast X Female mentor would feel a bit weird and make it harder to write. I mean it isn't easy to make advances on your superiors right? I mean how many times do you get to hit on your boss.
Now we could have the situation where the Female mentor makes a move on Feast
"Mentor we can't...." Feast said desperately as he was seized by his mentor. She firmly held Feast down so that he couldn't move an inch. He was like a helpless prey in front of a hungry predator. She stared into Feast's eye with the look of a cunning a cat and slowly unbuttoned this shirt.
Something along those lines you know.
Actually the other pairing us also possible.
"feast, we can't I am your mentor." The mentor pleaded desperately, but feast's capability to think ha already been over whelmed by his urges of lust.
That could work too
Is your every passing thought new pro gamer pairings to write slash fiction about?
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
On February 19 2012 03:11 Brosy wrote: Sometimes I wonder if this community is actually made up of middle school girls trying to create drama everywhere they go
If the pros didn't endorse the same type of drama and fuel it we'd be far better off. That mixed with the biasness of alot of TL Mods means drama is just bound to happen. That said, TL is the best forum community ive ever visited, we could be much worse off and should all be thankful we have a community site/hub to go to for information.
I'm sure both Ret and Grubby are thinking constantly about their respective E-sports pasts and who has the bigger e-sports e-peen. All the time. Constantly. Without interruption.
On February 19 2012 03:17 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Not going to lie, this was hilarious. This is british mocking humour through and through. Well played! + Show Spoiler +
Also, people please just lighten up! Is no-one allowed to have fun in the scene
If you get a thread of a pro semi bashing ( even if it is jokingly) then there are always going to be people that react badly to it.
That said I didn't think this was funny. All things considered though, I have no idea about Grubby and Ret's actual relation to each other. Good friends can be dicks to each other and everyone including themselves will be okay with it, many people here don't know if they're good friends or not though. (including myself)
On February 19 2012 03:17 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Not going to lie, this was hilarious. This is british mocking humour through and through. Well played! + Show Spoiler +
Also, people please just lighten up! Is no-one allowed to have fun in the scene
If you get a thread of a pro semi bashing ( even if it is jokingly) then there are always going to be people that react badly to it.
That said I didn't think this was funny. All things considered though, I have no idea about Grubby and Ret's actual relation to each other. Good friends can be dicks to each other and everyone including themselves will be okay with it, many people here don't know if they're good friends or not though. (including myself)
I mean if you want to take that sTandpoint. Anyone who freaked out about this would br a pyscho in my mind, so i think its good to just laugh. Remember the who is riku? Thread? That was a funny trolld thread too
On February 19 2012 03:17 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Not going to lie, this was hilarious. This is british mocking humour through and through. Well played! + Show Spoiler +
Also, people please just lighten up! Is no-one allowed to have fun in the scene
I agree, as has been said, it was a great idea, with bad implementation. You can't defend it just because its 'british' humor. SC2 is an international sport, the community is going to have different tastes and find different things funny or not. You just gotta take the bad with the good and move on. That said, this and Grubby's thread has made 4 hours of my work day fly by, so im happy.
Also, GLHF to both Ret and Grubby, with you guys currently sitting at 6-5 in terms of matches, we could potentially get a rivalry out of this or somebody should set up a showmatch for fun
On February 19 2012 03:17 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Not going to lie, this was hilarious. This is british mocking humour through and through. Well played! + Show Spoiler +
Also, people please just lighten up! Is no-one allowed to have fun in the scene
If you get a thread of a pro semi bashing ( even if it is jokingly) then there are always going to be people that react badly to it.
That said I didn't think this was funny. All things considered though, I have no idea about Grubby and Ret's actual relation to each other. Good friends can be dicks to each other and everyone including themselves will be okay with it, many people here don't know if they're good friends or not though. (including myself)
I mean if you want to take that sTandpoint. Anyone who freaked out about this would br a pyscho in my mind, so i think its good to just laugh. Remember the who is riku? Thread? That was a funny trolld thread too
I'm not really sure what you're saying. Why would people be psychos?
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Bad unmannered jokes are bad and unmannered.. all respect is gone ret
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
What would be cool though would be if you made another troll post mocking Idra and his bming, quitting nature. Grubby is too much of a nice guy to give a comeback. So pls troll Idra.
On February 19 2012 03:17 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Not going to lie, this was hilarious. This is british mocking humour through and through. Well played! + Show Spoiler +
Also, people please just lighten up! Is no-one allowed to have fun in the scene
I agree, as has been said, it was a great idea, with bad implementation. You can't defend it just because its 'british' humor. SC2 is an international sport, the community is going to have different tastes and find different things funny or not. You just gotta take the bad with the good and move on. That said, this and Grubby's thread has made 4 hours of my work day fly by, so im happy.
Also, GLHF to both Ret and Grubby, with you guys currently sitting at 6-5 in terms of matches, we could potentially get a rivalry out of this or somebody should set up a showmatch for fun
should be a 2v2 showmatch, ret and his padawan VS Grubby and his Padawan
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
Instead of a good 2v2 match i think we should do it differently. PP vs TZ is just no good for 2's. We should do a KOTH between the 4 that doesn't stop untill somebody wins 3 games in a row imo
edit. Then they can be granted Master Status...So its like 2 Jedi Knights and 2 Padawans fighting for a seat at the council
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net
*Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players.
Yea, he is good at Janga
now i know why he is posting so great news! his blog failed....
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net
Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
Its not a hard concept to grasp. But you can't expect people to be happy that not everyone is being treated equal.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
You're equating mobile phone tossing to WC3? This might be the worst analogy on the entire internet. Grubby already has more accomplishments in Esports than both Ret and DeMuslim will likely ever have combined. <3 both Ret/DeMuslim but those of you saying Grubby has "no accomplishments" are clueless.
On February 19 2012 02:03 Gomas wrote: This is a PR move by Grubby to get his first homo thread even more hits.
Would be better if feast's mentor is a girl? Or the other way?
hmmm depends Female mentor X Feast is a very refreshing pairing. but then Feast X Female mentor would feel a bit weird and make it harder to write. I mean it isn't easy to make advances on your superiors right? I mean how many times do you get to hit on your boss.
Now we could have the situation where the Female mentor makes a move on Feast
"Mentor we can't...." Feast said desperately as he was seized by his mentor. She firmly held Feast down so that he couldn't move an inch. He was like a helpless prey in front of a hungry predator. She stared into Feast's eye with the look of a cunning a cat and slowly unbuttoned this shirt.
Something along those lines you know.
Actually the other pairing us also possible.
"feast, we can't I am your mentor." The mentor pleaded desperately, but feast's capability to think ha already been over whelmed by his urges of lust.
That could work too
Is your every passing thought new pro gamer pairings to write slash fiction about?
A pity the lack of female progamers limits my Yuri writing chances.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing
Also, and hate to double post. What about my idea of a 4 man KOTH untill somebody wins 3 in a row. Since the underlying theme seems to be two jedi knights with 2 padawans, we must find out who is granted master status!!!!
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
Question for Liquid'Nazgul: Why when you help other people you don't post/tell other people about it?
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I think you misunderstand our moderation. We give veterans and relevant people in the scene more leniency. Idra is actually the best example of how much someone like that can get away with. This post would not get closed if it was done by another progamer.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
It involves more than one game, but expecting people who have a particular interest in one of those games to treat a player with reverence because they excelled in a different one isn't realistic. If a legendary Halo player started playing SC2 would he be above criticism because of his achievements under the all encompassing umbrella of E-sports?
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing
I think it makes sense since you understood it. Although my example is only to illustrate the point that winning X and winning Y are not equal. BW took much more skill because it was much more competetive. Moreover it had less titles to win. In BW every title that mattered had the best competition in them because the leagues are standardized and there were only two: OSL and MSL. In WC3 you had things like WCG and ESWC and what else that had national qualifiers. But the nations were not equal. Grubby had no competition in his national qualifiers, so he made it into the final tournament rather easily. The Japanese tournament had nobody who was very good, but someone made it into the finals from there anyway. Moreover, there were scheduling conflicts. Sometimes the best would go to different tournaments held at the same time. Now let us consider BW, and I'm ignoring the fact that the scene itself was of higher quality, but the starleagues do not have national qualifiers. There is only one way to qualify. And there were no scheduling conflicts ensuring that all the best players were aiming to play in them. Winning a starleague, even not counting the overall qualities of the scenes, is a much bigger deal than winning, say, a WCG.
With that being said, I don't doubt it at all that Grubby has useful knowledge to share. As Nazgul pointed out it is good that he shares it and it is nice of him. But if you think he did it purely out of niceness and had no self-promotion in mind, then I don't know what to tell you. Not that it is a very terrible thing to do but do expect someone to call you out for it if you do.
On February 19 2012 04:43 Blasterion wrote: A pity the lack of female progamers limits my Yuri writing chances.
Bah. There are enough. You could do a Ailuj x Tossgirl. Or... hmm. I would say Jessica and Eve, but I'm afraid bad things would happen. Wait, didn't a korean team just pick up a foreign female?
As to "can't believe this offends people"... Well. I actually laughed reading this. Because I saw it as mocking himself. Then I saw Grubby's post. So then it was really satire on Grubby. Not a problem. Except that some of the things Ret wrote (when read on the interwebs) really, really don't come off as joking - with the lack of tone, and perhaps because Ret is European. Some of it could be offensive in that regard. Then again, if you want to know how some of the no-homo style references could be offensive, I think there's a thread about gay starcraft players somewhere...
So it was funny, and offensive, at the same time. Just kindof... *puts on sunglasses*... tasteless.
And really, good natured joking is good, but anything that could be remotely offensive to someone can scare sponsors. So it also becomes a bit of a business issue.
hmm. speaking of good natured joking, Naniwa - new sponsorship opportunity! "Before Naniwa started wearing our new superpro gamer SCV sneakers (who runs more than an SCV? no one!) he walked like this... " (video clip of the awkward Naniwalk). "But since he switched, not only has his walking improved, his skills have taken off!" (video clip of Naniwa dancing after a tournament win). + Show Spoiler +
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
I've never followed Warcraft 3. I like him because he's well-spoken, mannered, mature, and has this charm about him. So probably this 'worship' you are talking about does not have to be related to his success in Starcraft. In a way, I think TLO has the same following size that is not directly related to his success but the characteristics just mentioned of Grubby. Which is great because there's nothing wrong with liking someone that acts professional/mature.
I do think this 'joke' was of poor taste. And those that say 'you are not allowed to have a sense of humor?'; well you can but I say to them that "people aren't allowed to say the joke was of poor taste?"
Maybe some say combatex is funny or maybe some say he's not; those that don't, doesn't mean they have no sense of humor.
Grubby has good intentions of helping Feast and I thought that was kinda cool. But something like this thread may discourage people from doing things like this. What if a pro-gamer offered free coaching lessons as part of a SC2 show and made an announcement about it and a person (maybe another pro-gamer, or maybe even a TL member) made a thread like this to poke fun of him? Artosis show comes to mind or maybe day9tv, they aren't doing these things for free either.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net
Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
Its not a hard concept to grasp. But you can't expect people to be happy that not everyone is being treated equal.
I don't think they DO "expect" people to be happy about it. I don't actually think they care they they make every single person happy.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net
Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
Its not a hard concept to grasp. But you can't expect people to be happy that not everyone is being treated equal.
I don't think they DO "expect" people to be happy about it. I don't actually think they care they they make every single person happy.
See Nazgul's latest post, responding to you.
IDK if your responding to me, but I was agreeing with Nazgul. Its only normal that certain pro's get better treatment, its also normal for some people to dislike that. That's all i was saying. If you ctrl+f nazgul you'll see multiple posts where i said 'nazgul was spot on'. I wasn't argueing or anything. I completely get why a pro has more leniency, i just also sympathize with people who disagree with that line of treatment. Sall Good
Really can't believe this wasn't taken in Good humour.. there is always going to be Banter between players, especially those who are considered the best two of their country, Netherlands. C'mon guys.
Grubby can troll himself, i am a fan of Grubby and Ret and DeMusliM, them all being my favourite players of their respective races, and I know there can be BM, but its friendly bickering. Grubby did what he did to get attention, which I am not blaming him, he's independant, its the same as if Team Liquid said they where going to join with EG to help them in this current slump of performances in the team leagues. Its to make him look good, so he can get promotion and get attention, AND MONEY, its his Job at the end of the day.
Ret and De just felt like trolling it. Fine, it may even give them the psychological advantage when they next meet. ITS PART OF THE SHOW FOLKS. Man up, stop crying, if you didn't find it funny, shut up. If you did then laugh.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing
I think it makes sense since you understood it. Although my example is only to illustrate the point that winning X and winning Y are not equal. BW took much more skill because it was much more competetive. Moreover it had less titles to win. In BW every title that mattered had the best competition in them because the leagues are standardized and there were only two: OSL and MSL. In WC3 you had things like WCG and ESWC and what else that had national qualifiers. But the nations were not equal. Grubby had no competition in his national qualifiers, so he made it into the final tournament rather easily. The Japanese tournament had nobody who was very good, but someone made it into the finals from there anyway. Moreover, there were scheduling conflicts. Sometimes the best would go to different tournaments held at the same time. Now let us consider BW, and I'm ignoring the fact that the scene itself was of higher quality, but the starleagues do not have national qualifiers. There is only one way to qualify. And there were no scheduling conflicts ensuring that all the best players were aiming to play in them. Winning a starleague, even not counting the overall qualities of the scenes, is a much bigger deal than winning, say, a WCG.
With that being said, I don't doubt it at all that Grubby has useful knowledge to share. As Nazgul pointed out it is good that he shares it and it is nice of him. But if you think he did it purely out of niceness and had no self-promotion in mind, then I don't know what to tell you. Not that it is a very terrible thing to do but do expect someone to call you out for it if you do.
Just stop while you're not that far behind.... you're analogy was pretty bad. You realize Demuslim was a WC3 player right? I guess he sucks because he came from the "mobile phone tossing" of Esports and didn't play BW. Don't dig your hope any deeper by being stubborn. There are a number of ex-WC3 players who are now among the top foreigners in SC2... above ex BW foreigners. WC3 was obviously not some LoL-esque easy-mode game.
So, Ret already cleared it all up; This was a joke, plain and simple. Most of us probably understood that from the start.
However, I missed out on what DeMuslim apparently said on stream about Grubby, and since I'm genuinely interested, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what that was about.
On February 19 2012 05:35 lamehater wrote: So, Ret already cleared it all up; This was a joke, plain and simple. Most of us probably understood that from the start.
However, I missed out on what DeMuslim apparently said on stream about Grubby, and since I'm genuinely interested, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what that was about.
I mean it IS Team Liquid. People should have known their players are bred to not have the capabilities of BM in them XD
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?)
Oh, did you now?
Let us look at your comment earlier:
On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote: Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you
Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising.
I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best
edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status?
He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased.
It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer
And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football.
Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing
I think it makes sense since you understood it. Although my example is only to illustrate the point that winning X and winning Y are not equal. BW took much more skill because it was much more competetive. Moreover it had less titles to win. In BW every title that mattered had the best competition in them because the leagues are standardized and there were only two: OSL and MSL. In WC3 you had things like WCG and ESWC and what else that had national qualifiers. But the nations were not equal. Grubby had no competition in his national qualifiers, so he made it into the final tournament rather easily. The Japanese tournament had nobody who was very good, but someone made it into the finals from there anyway. Moreover, there were scheduling conflicts. Sometimes the best would go to different tournaments held at the same time. Now let us consider BW, and I'm ignoring the fact that the scene itself was of higher quality, but the starleagues do not have national qualifiers. There is only one way to qualify. And there were no scheduling conflicts ensuring that all the best players were aiming to play in them. Winning a starleague, even not counting the overall qualities of the scenes, is a much bigger deal than winning, say, a WCG.
With that being said, I don't doubt it at all that Grubby has useful knowledge to share. As Nazgul pointed out it is good that he shares it and it is nice of him. But if you think he did it purely out of niceness and had no self-promotion in mind, then I don't know what to tell you. Not that it is a very terrible thing to do but do expect someone to call you out for it if you do.
Just stop while you're not that far behind.... you're analogy was pretty bad. You realize Demuslim was a WC3 player right? I guess he sucks because he came from the "mobile phone tossing" of Esports and didn't play BW. Don't dig your hope any deeper by being stubborn.
It wasn't bad. It illustrated the point quite clearly and thus did exactly what I wanted it to do. Yes, I do know Demuslims was a WC3 player and I don't think he is very good. But what does Demuslim have to do with what I said? I don't think I am stubborn. I think I am very much correct and you haven't given me any reason to think otherwise.
Grubby was obviously self-promoting, which is perfectly fine, but his post came off more pretentious than was probably intended and it rubbed certain people the wrong way, which was obvious from Demuslims comments on stream. Ret decided to make fun of him, which is also perfectly fine, but it wasn't done in a light hearted way which may or may not has been his intention. Grubby didn't think it was that funny which tells me the two aren't on 'friendly banter' terms with each other, and that makes it a failed attempt at humor or a successful attempt at rediculation(yes I just made that word up!).
It doesn't matter if people in this thread 'got' the joke, what matters is if Grubby did and it looks like he didn't.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I think you misunderstand our moderation. We give veterans and relevant people in the scene more leniency. Idra is actually the best example of how much someone like that can get away with. This post would not get closed if it was done by another progamer.
Yeah I understand that the veteran members get cut slack and that if you gave everyone the ability to make troll threads like this the forum wouldn't be use able, but where do you draw the line between what is a joke and acceptable and what is offensive and unacceptable? If Grubby were to make a thread responding to this calling Ret out and making fun of your organization I can't imagine that thread would stay open. That being said I guess this is more of a theoretical tl policy debate and would better belong in that thread.
On another note, giving leniency towards your players making homophobic parodies of other players, while at the same time having banners about hurting e-sports and fronting as a professional team for Starcraft seems counter productive. Yes making jokes should be allowed as long as they're appropriate. I guess it just surprises me that you Nazgul as a guy trying to run a professional business in the developing field of "E-Sports" wouldn't want to hold your players to some professional standard. "With great leniency comes great responsibility" (or something like that =p). Seriously though I think all professional players should be a little bit careful when making jokes, but hey maybe I'm just super conservative. I can't speak for any business but you generally don't want someone you sponsor to be making homophobic comments(maybe twitch/razer don't care). I'ld be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter though If you end up seeing this. Hope this isn't hard to read =/
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocrite. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
I'm just offended at how terribly unfunny that entire post was. Copy/paste, add a bunch of "no homo" and "I'm the best" remarks, post. Hilarious, well done.
On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY!
I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum.
I think you misunderstand our moderation. We give veterans and relevant people in the scene more leniency. Idra is actually the best example of how much someone like that can get away with. This post would not get closed if it was done by another progamer.
Yeah I understand that the veteran members get cut slack and that if you gave everyone the ability to make troll threads like this the forum wouldn't be use able, but where do you draw the line between what is a joke and acceptable and what is offensive and unacceptable? If Grubby were to make a thread responding to this calling Ret out and making fun of your organization I can't imagine that thread would stay open. That being said I guess this is more of a theoretical tl policy debate and would better belong in that thread.
On another note, giving leniency towards your players making homophobic parodies of other players, while at the same time having banners about hurting e-sports and fronting as a professional team for Starcraft seems counter productive. Yes making jokes should be allowed as long as they're appropriate. I guess it just surprises me that you Nazgul as a guy trying to run a professional business in the developing field of "E-Sports" wouldn't want to hold your players to some professional standard. "With great leniency comes great responsibility" (or something like that =p). Seriously though I think all professional players should be a little bit careful when making jokes, but hey maybe I'm just super conservative. I can't speak for any business but you generally don't want someone you sponsor to be making homophobic comments(maybe twitch/razer don't care). I'ld be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter though If you end up seeing this. Hope this isn't hard to read =/
They can decide whenever they like, this is their website, this is not something that must be 100% defined and stayed to, if Nazgul wanted to he can ban everyone in this thread and he doesn't even need a reason.
And anyway this is a JOKE which is kind of poking fun at Grubby but as stated it is just a JOKE. If Grubby made an official post where he was talking shit about liquid then of course that is completely different.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Was always iffy about Ret in the first place. This just proves my gut feeling that something wasn't exactly right about him. Incredibly lame and awkward post. Nothiing worse than an unfunny guy failing at an attempt to look cool and embarassing himself in the process.
Grubby has and always will be > Ret, as both a progamer and as a man.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Its ok, we love him in America more now
I love Ret more now too ( no homo ).
edit.
I will even in next 2 months ( when i will finis my engineering work ) throw some cool poster design's for Teamliquid just becouse of Ret.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Its ok, we love him in America more now
I love Ret more now too ( no homo ).
edit.
I will even in next 2 months ( when i will finis my engineering work ) throw some cool poster design's for Teamliquid just becouse of Ret.
I think he's been living in NA for awhile now too. Guess we will just make him one of our own like DeMuslim. Sorry Europe.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Its ok, we love him in America more now
I love Ret more now too ( no homo ).
edit.
I will even in next 2 months ( when i will finis my engineering work ) throw some cool poster design's for Teamliquid just becouse of Ret.
I think he's been living in NA for awhile now too. Guess we will just make him one of our own like DeMuslim. Sorry Europe.
I think Im starting to feel like NA now... will you be my mentor jmbthirteen ?
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Its ok, we love him in America more now
I love Ret more now too ( no homo ).
edit.
I will even in next 2 months ( when i will finis my engineering work ) throw some cool poster design's for Teamliquid just becouse of Ret.
I think he's been living in NA for awhile now too. Guess we will just make him one of our own like DeMuslim. Sorry Europe.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
It was more of an analogy, sad that you couldn't even see that.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Its ok, we love him in America more now
I love Ret more now too ( no homo ).
edit.
I will even in next 2 months ( when i will finis my engineering work ) throw some cool poster design's for Teamliquid just becouse of Ret.
I think he's been living in NA for awhile now too. Guess we will just make him one of our own like DeMuslim. Sorry Europe.
Biggest problem with this troll is that overall in eSports, Grubby has been way more succesful than Ret
yes, but in SC2 ret has placed alot higher in major tournaments than grubby, not to mention has won some to boot. grubby has yet to play a major tournament. and ret did not play warcraft 3 anyway.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
It was more of an analogy, sad that you couldn't even see that.
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
Yeah, you certainly "defeated" me...
So because he thought that your analogy was absolutely horrendous it is sad?
If someone said that my mother was a whore and it was in a situation where that was applicable then obviously I am not going to laugh at that but other people will.
One of my good friends has massive ears and he take the piss out of him all the time and obviously he doesn't laugh at it but the rest of our group do.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
Have you ever been insulted in your life?
Recall that feeling. Now imagine the person who offended you said "just kidding" afterwards. And in a tone of voice where you can't tell if he's serious or just trying to avoid being branded an asshole by the other people around.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
Have you ever been insulted in your life?
Recall that feeling. Now imagine the person who offended you said "just kidding" afterwards. And in a tone of voice where you can't tell if he's serious or just trying to avoid being branded an asshole by the other people around.
Except the entire tone of Ret's post is a fucking joke.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
Have you ever been insulted in your life?
Recall that feeling. Now imagine the person who offended you said "just kidding" afterwards. And in a tone of voice where you can't tell if he's serious or just trying to avoid being branded an asshole by the other people around.
Obviously if someone says that with malicious intent then that is A LOT different than someone making a joke.
On February 19 2012 06:09 JimmiC wrote: holy so many babies with their diapers in a knot. Is grubby upset? probably not cause he has a sense of humour and knows ret personally so all you drama queers (maybe homo?) stop crying
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
It was more of an analogy, sad that you couldn't even see that.
On February 19 2012 06:05 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 06:03 sereniity wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:16 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:14 SarkON wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:07 Squeegy wrote:
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
Yeah, you certainly "defeated" me...
So because he thought that your analogy was absolutely horrendous it is sad?
If someone said that my mother was a whore and it was in a situation where that was applicable then obviously I am not going to laugh at that but other people will.
One of my good friends has massive ears and he take the piss out of him all the time and obviously he doesn't laugh at it but the rest of our group do.
So basically what you're saying is that you guys are assholes towards your friend who happens to have big ears?
Good to know.
There was nothing wrong with the guys analogy, either you're too dumb or too immature to see it. Judging by your little "jokes" of your big eared friend I have no doubt that those things are true.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
Have you ever been insulted in your life?
Recall that feeling. Now imagine the person who offended you said "just kidding" afterwards. And in a tone of voice where you can't tell if he's serious or just trying to avoid being branded an asshole by the other people around.
Lighten the hell up. You are taking this completely the wrong way, and your analogies show that. Pathetic that some people are 'offended' by this.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
Have you ever been insulted in your life?
Recall that feeling. Now imagine the person who offended you said "just kidding" afterwards. And in a tone of voice where you can't tell if he's serious or just trying to avoid being branded an asshole by the other people around.
"It's a nice day for some white-knighting It's a nice day to start againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
Come on bro, anyone who gets offended by this has no sense of humor. Let it go
On February 19 2012 06:14 Seph02 wrote: "Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive"
It's a matter of respect towards yourself and your family that you don't accept people making jokes like that..
I respect my mother immensely. But I also know how to recognize a joke. They are words people. Don't give them too much power.
On February 19 2012 06:09 JimmiC wrote: holy so many babies with their diapers in a knot. Is grubby upset? probably not cause he has a sense of humour and knows ret personally so all you drama queers (maybe homo?) stop crying
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
It was more of an analogy, sad that you couldn't even see that.
On February 19 2012 06:05 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 06:03 sereniity wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:16 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:14 SarkON wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:07 Squeegy wrote:
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
Yeah, you certainly "defeated" me...
So because he thought that your analogy was absolutely horrendous it is sad?
If someone said that my mother was a whore and it was in a situation where that was applicable then obviously I am not going to laugh at that but other people will.
One of my good friends has massive ears and he take the piss out of him all the time and obviously he doesn't laugh at it but the rest of our group do.
So basically what you're saying is that you guys are assholes towards your friend who happens to have big ears?
Good to know.
There was nothing wrong with the guys analogy, either you're too dumb or too immature to see it. Judging by your little "jokes" of your big eared friend I have no doubt that those things are true.
Yes my point was that we don't like people with big ears.
On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please!
Do you really think that "all" people are stupid Ret?
You have clearly made your real feelings and thoughts about Grubby known. With remarks like" I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
It is merely a confirmation of your immaturity that you think that you can get away from this with this hypocritical post.
First, you have showcased yourself as an unprofessional jerk. Now, with this post, as a hypocritical Jerk. I am sure you lost all respect from a lot of people, especially the Dutch.
You need some mentorship kiddo.
Lol are you really taking this that seriously? wtf is wrong with you...
Just because he's 'kidding' doesn't take the sting off of it.
If I say your mother is a whore, and then say "just kidding". And then you still feel a bit hurt, then I say "dude it's a joke, what's wrong with you." (I know this is exaggerated, but it should clear up what's "wrong" with people)
Ret's post feels alot like when Eminem used to diss Michael Jackson with completely inappropriate ryhmes. For Eminem it isn't surprising, because it's how he got the attention, but Ret doesn't need that kind of controversial stuff. People can sense the difference between positive humor and negative stuff mixed with some humor, packaged as pure humor.
Do I get offended when someone jokingly calls my mother a whore? No, its a joke. I didn't know Euro's were so sensitive
It was more of an analogy, sad that you couldn't even see that.
On February 19 2012 06:05 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 06:03 sereniity wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:16 frozenrb wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:14 SarkON wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:07 Squeegy wrote:
On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote: Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small.
Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that
I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however.
Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now.
That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums?
Get better arguments, and then post.
Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to
Yeah just like you have with every other post you've done in this thread. The amount of fucking stupidity coming out of your posts is astonishing.
I just can quote grubby: Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat.
Yeah, you certainly "defeated" me...
So because he thought that your analogy was absolutely horrendous it is sad?
If someone said that my mother was a whore and it was in a situation where that was applicable then obviously I am not going to laugh at that but other people will.
One of my good friends has massive ears and he take the piss out of him all the time and obviously he doesn't laugh at it but the rest of our group do.
So basically what you're saying is that you guys are assholes towards your friend who happens to have big ears?
Good to know.
There was nothing wrong with the guys analogy, either you're too dumb or too immature to see it. Judging by your little "jokes" of your big eared friend I have no doubt that those things are true.
Yes my point was that we don't like people with big ears.
this was almost as funny as the Ret's post. well played sir
On February 19 2012 06:09 JimmiC wrote: holy so many babies with their diapers in a knot. Is grubby upset? probably not cause he has a sense of humour and knows ret personally so all you drama queers (maybe homo?) stop crying
but he doesn't say he is offended because Ret made fun of him. He just thinks the homo stuff is distasteful.
Most likely he was offended though and despite Ret's original post being a joke it does not mean it wasn't a jab at Grubby. Of course it was a jab at him. And he was asking for it. But it was still a joke and nothing too serious. And what he called out for was nothing too serious either.
I am very surprised at people who think Ret's comment wasn't a jab and at people who think Grubby wasn't doing self-promotion.
On February 19 2012 06:09 JimmiC wrote: holy so many babies with their diapers in a knot. Is grubby upset? probably not cause he has a sense of humour and knows ret personally so all you drama queers (maybe homo?) stop crying
"I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
That's right, that's funny. I'm totally proud for having the same humour as Ret. It's clearly well thought and well written! Seriously guys, ligten up, it's Ret and teamliquid! How can't we like this post?
It can't be bad intended or offensive right? Not even some sort of personnal hatred towards grubby or something..
On February 19 2012 02:03 Gomas wrote: This is a PR move by Grubby to get his first homo thread even more hits.
Would be better if feast's mentor is a girl? Or the other way?
hmmm depends Female mentor X Feast is a very refreshing pairing. but then Feast X Female mentor would feel a bit weird and make it harder to write. I mean it isn't easy to make advances on your superiors right? I mean how many times do you get to hit on your boss.
Now we could have the situation where the Female mentor makes a move on Feast
"Mentor we can't...." Feast said desperately as he was seized by his mentor. She firmly held Feast down so that he couldn't move an inch. He was like a helpless prey in front of a hungry predator. She stared into Feast's eye with the look of a cunning a cat and slowly unbuttoned this shirt.
Something along those lines you know.
Actually the other pairing is also possible.
"feast, we can't I am your mentor." The mentor pleaded desperately, but feast's capability to think has already been over whelmed by his urges of lust.
On February 19 2012 06:31 MCDayC wrote: Oh god this thread was amazing for ages, then people came in and ruined it. Ret, please realise that most people found this hilarious.
Please speak for yourself. Im not offended by that, but you have to be pretty immature to find that hillarious. Copy and paste + bit of homo = hilarious, if its that easy..
"Oh god this thread was amazing for ages, then people came in and ruined it. Ret, please realise that most people found this hilarious. And i dont sleep with men."
A joke. Just for you, happy laughing.
Maybe its just the people who dont want to "kiss ass", who dont think thats funny. Maybe not offensive, but def. not funny. Meh, the difference doesnt count here anyway.
We have hinted at the possibility of hiring players in a traditional team - player sense. It is true that we have considered the acquisition of players, but it was never meant to be in the traditional sense. I've been thinking about the exact how and why, but by now that's besides the point, because we do not have the means, nor the wish, really. Hiring players requires time, money (sponsorships) and experience. Whatever the reasons, I will not be hiring any players in 2012, possibly never. I realize this may come as a bit of a disappointment to some. It may be of no particular significance to others. There might also be a % of people who are surprised, because they thought that was the direction we were headed to. To make it clear, it is challenging enough to engage in an independent career without having the responsibility over other players. A responsibility which I take incredibly seriously. After all, the players I'd want to hire would deserve proper and honest treatment, and good conditions. While I will not be hiring any players into our team, I hope that in this way, I can help Feast in his career as a professional gamer.
yea.. i dont really care about this threat.. its not offending but also not funny. wouldnt have expected something like that from ret.. seems to be a bit below his level but w/e
I think this troll posting is well-written so I cannot understand the uproar. I don't think that it disrespects Grubby. I rather think he is the one who laughed the loudest.
Ret's posting is mildly insulting but I think it is a friendly insult.
On February 19 2012 06:41 [F_]aths wrote: I think this troll posting is well-written so I cannot understand the uproar. I don't think that it somehow disrespects Grubby. I rather think he is the one who laughed the loudest.
Ret's posting is mildly insulting but I think it is a friendly insult.
Its copy and pasted. And Grubby stated that he does indeed not think thats funny.
On February 19 2012 06:29 CaM27 wrote: "I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
That's right, that's funny. I'm totally proud for having the same humour as Ret. It's clearly well thought and well written! Seriously guys, ligten up, it's Ret and teamliquid! How can't we like this post?
It can't be bad intended or offensive right? Not even some sort of personnal hatred towards grubby or something..
Nice, But I am afraid that the people who liked Ret's "Joke" will agree with you.
At the end of the day this is Team Liquid's site...so yes they should be able to do whatever they want. I walk around with no pants on at my house. That doesn't mean I want my guests to do the same.
Grubby fanboys seem extremely butthurt over what was essentially a joke. I love grubby and watch him stream all the time, but that doesn't mean Ret should die in a fire because he mocked him a little. When did people get so damn serious?
On February 19 2012 06:29 CaM27 wrote: "I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
That's right, that's funny. I'm totally proud for having the same humour as Ret. It's clearly well thought and well written! Seriously guys, ligten up, it's Ret and teamliquid! How can't we like this post?
It can't be bad intended or offensive right? Not even some sort of personnal hatred towards grubby or something..
Nice, But I am afraid that the people who liked Ret's "Joke" will agree with you.
Because it was funny. Stop fucking trying to make drama where there is done. Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
No, it's a joke. And it's funny. If you or indeed Grubby are genuinely offended then get thicker skin because you're going to need it.
Lol I can't believe people are actually taking this post seriously and getting upset xD It's a joke people. Laugh and move on.... Was it a bit harsh on grubby? Yeah probably... doesn't mean it wasn't funny. Friendly trash talk is a good thing. I hope to see a witty reply thread by Grubby in the near future!
On February 19 2012 06:29 CaM27 wrote: "I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
That's right, that's funny. I'm totally proud for having the same humour as Ret. It's clearly well thought and well written! Seriously guys, ligten up, it's Ret and teamliquid! How can't we like this post?
It can't be bad intended or offensive right? Not even some sort of personnal hatred towards grubby or something..
Nice, But I am afraid that the people who liked Ret's "Joke" will agree with you.
Because it was funny. Stop fucking trying to make drama where there is done. Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
No, it's a joke. And it's funny. If you or indeed Grubby are genuinely offended then get thicker skin because you're going to need it.
Woops, I meant to say it wasn't well thought out or funny. But, if you are simply pleasured by half-hearted attempts at parody then this is for you.
- Ret on the original Grubby post, before making this satirical blooper of a bad joke. Imagine if some random dude made this post... LOL it would have been rendered DEAD.
The ret dude comes across as being jealous. Big deal, who cares? Grubby doesnt as he strolls to the bank, with miss fucking china (or whatever that stunner modeled as), a perfect hairline and firm physique. YO!
- Ret on the original Grubby post, before making this satirical blooper of a bad joke. Imagine if some random dude made this post... LOL it would have been rendered DEAD.
The ret dude comes across as being jealous. Big deal, who cares? Grubby doesnt as he strolls to the bank, with miss fucking china (or whatever that stunner modeled as), a perfect hairline and firm physique. YO!
ILL HAVE GRUBBY'S BABIUES
This IS funny and prob the best way to react to it...
On February 19 2012 06:29 CaM27 wrote: "I want everybody in the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass"
That's right, that's funny. I'm totally proud for having the same humour as Ret. It's clearly well thought and well written! Seriously guys, ligten up, it's Ret and teamliquid! How can't we like this post?
It can't be bad intended or offensive right? Not even some sort of personnal hatred towards grubby or something..
Nice, But I am afraid that the people who liked Ret's "Joke" will agree with you.
Because it was funny. Stop fucking trying to make drama where there is done. Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
No, it's a joke. And it's funny. If you or indeed Grubby are genuinely offended then get thicker skin because you're going to need it.
Woops, I meant to say it wasn't well thought out or funny. But, if you are simply pleasured by half-hearted attempts at parody then this is for you.
Well you may not be claiming that Ret despises Grubby and is using this post as a way to attack him, but well done on still coming across like an ass by not-so-subtly implying that your sense of humour is somehow superior to others.
- Ret on the original Grubby post, before making this satirical blooper of a bad joke. Imagine if some random dude made this post... LOL it would have been rendered DEAD.
The ret dude comes across as being jealous. Big deal, who cares? Grubby doesnt as he strolls to the bank, with miss fucking china (or whatever that stunner modeled as), a perfect hairline and firm physique. YO!
ILL HAVE GRUBBY'S BABIUES
but it wasn't a random dude, it was ret, a guy that has met grubby multiple times and knows him. its a fucking joke people.
People need to realize this game is just like any other sport. You can dislike and respect a player.
For example I disliked IM_MvP but respected him as a skilled player.
Look at things as an adult here, put whether or not Ret likes/dislikes grubby aside. Understand he respects him as a player but may not like him as a person - whether that's true or not doesn't matter.
Ret pointed out the bullshit by reposting it. What if he wanted to flame on grubby and all his fans for not seeing the subtext. It's absolutely fine for him to do so he's a grown man and as people have said this is liquid's forum they can post what they want.
You shouldn't lose respect for him or think he's immature or get offended. In fact the only person that should be mad is Grubby because he got called out.
Do you think basketball and football players all like eachother? Yeah...
I found Ret's post hilarious. Didn't really see it as insulting homosexuality either.
Grubby is deservedly one of the most popular and respected RTS players in the history. I've never followed WC3, but I still like Grubby as he's always shown good attitude and I don't remember him ever being involved in silly BM incidents.
His thread though, just made me think "What did I just read..."
"Think of my opponents, who have unwittingly sharpened my steel by grinding me on the whetstone of defeat. Think of all the people who have helped me, for no other reason than their passion for the game, or their fandom of me. Helping me with opportunities, coaching, game advice, and anything under the sun - often without having a clear benefit from it."
I'll be sure to add this abomination of a thread to the list of threads to link people when they have the nerve to say that the SC2 community is "one of the most mature and well-mannered around." Ret makes an obvious troll post and it spawns 38 pages worth of butthurt posts that completely overreact and act like Ret seriously decided to taunt Grubby by coming up with a post full of NO HOMO jokes.
Seriously? What? Who in the fuck thinks like some of these posts in here? This is just a really sad showing here guys. Seriously.
On February 19 2012 06:55 The KY wrote: Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
Well... apparently? Ret's post is an edged parody of Grubby's post and of course such a parody provides means to express a certain statement of critique. Obviously, he doesn't plainly state "I dislike Grubby" and nobody says he thinks so, but (without any judgement) it's impossible to assume Ret had NOTHING in mind but telling a context-less joke.
I don't care about this joke or the underlying oppinion, however I think it's stupid to post a clear parody and then state it was nothing but a joke without any meaning. Come on, Grubby's post was somewhat awkward as well and I don't even think it's bad to point at that, but posting a thread containing the phrase "want to the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass" and then relying on "just joking" is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what's funnier, the OP (which was a really funny bit of satire of a post just BEGGING to be satired) or the shitstorm that this thread has become. The number of people QQing over this is just absurd. :-)
It's funny how something on TL could actually be considered a troll post. Like a post that the word "trolling" really means... It's pretty epic tbh, not just some shit that a streamer does in game and is trolling. This actually got people mad as fuck :D
On February 19 2012 06:55 The KY wrote: Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
Well... apparently? Ret's post is an edged parody of Grubby's post and of course such a parody provides means to express a certain statement of critique. Obviously, he doesn't plainly state "I dislike Grubby" and nobody says he thinks so, but (without any judgement) it's impossible to assume Ret had NOTHING in mind but telling a context-less joke.
I don't care about this joke or the underlying oppinion, however I think it's stupid to post a clear parody and then state it was nothing but a joke without any meaning. Come on, Grubby's post was somewhat awkward as well and I don't even think it's bad to point at that, but posting a thread containing the phrase "want to the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass" and then relying on "just joking" is ridiculous.
I make fun of my friends ALL THE TIME, especially when they do something worth ridiculing. Is that some sort of expression of dislike for my friends?
On February 19 2012 07:24 GeorgeForeman wrote: I'm not sure what's funnier, the OP (which was a really funny bit of satire of a post just BEGGING to be satired) or the shitstorm that this thread has become. The number of people QQing over this is just absurd. :-)
You can't just say whatever you want and follow it up with "it was just a joke bro" to make it ok. This kind of thing has no place among (and I use this term loosely) professionals.
On February 19 2012 06:55 The KY wrote: Do you actually think Ret dislikes Gurbby and has decided the best way to express that is to make a parody of his 'mentor' post where he acts like there is a homosexual relationship with himself and Demuslim? What kind of fucked up backwards world do you live in where people do that?
Well... apparently? Ret's post is an edged parody of Grubby's post and of course such a parody provides means to express a certain statement of critique. Obviously, he doesn't plainly state "I dislike Grubby" and nobody says he thinks so, but (without any judgement) it's impossible to assume Ret had NOTHING in mind but telling a context-less joke.
I don't care about this joke or the underlying oppinion, however I think it's stupid to post a clear parody and then state it was nothing but a joke without any meaning. Come on, Grubby's post was somewhat awkward as well and I don't even think it's bad to point at that, but posting a thread containing the phrase "want to the community to think I'm awesome and kiss my ass" and then relying on "just joking" is ridiculous.
I make fun of my friends ALL THE TIME, especially when they do something worth ridiculing. Is that some sort of expression of dislike for my friends?
That's a naive comparison, you know it doesn't work.
If you post your "insults" viewable for thousands of people without any history of you and your friends actually being known as trolling friends AND your post doesn't contain just meaningless troll phrases, but also implicit critic, then yes, you do bring some "dislike" of certain aspects to the public.
What's the problem in accepting that? I don't even say it's generally wrong, but you cannot seriously think Ret posts such a parody out of the blue without thinking more than "lololol, no homo jokes, me so funny".
On February 19 2012 07:40 KrsOne wrote: You can't just say whatever you want and follow it up with "it was just a joke bro" to make it ok. This kind of thing has no place among (and I use this term loosely) professionals.
While this might be a bit strong as the initial post was clearly a joke (just really distastefully executed), I agree with this sentiment. Liquid standing behind it also kinda doesn't sit well. If Liquid wants to be a professional team, limits on this sort of stuff should be discussed.
Regardless what's done is done, but that doesn't mean a lesson can't be learned.
On February 19 2012 07:40 KrsOne wrote: You can't just say whatever you want and follow it up with "it was just a joke bro" to make it ok. This kind of thing has no place among (and I use this term loosely) professionals.
I think you can as long as most people recognize it as a joke and as long as you meant it as joke. Of course you have to look how the person you make fun of takes such things but in general i would say that a joke is always right and good. And in this case it obviously was a joke and if it wasn't i think it would be Rets reputation beeing damaged the most
Grubby kinda asked for it with that thread. I mean, nice that you are helping some kid out, but why announce it? As for Ret, pretty childish sense of humour. If I have to choose I prefer Grubbies mature way of acting, even if it's sometimes a bit too holy and stuck up.
We have enough trolls on the internet Ret, you can do better!
On February 19 2012 08:16 Youtakenocandle wrote: I mean, nice that you are helping some kid out, but why announce it?
We have enough trolls on the internet Ret, you can do better!
There where a lot of speculations: if Grubby would add more people in his team... If feast was going to be in his team ...What are his plans for this year and so on He used this post to clear things.
Grubby does come off as an attention-whoring guy who's always quick to show off what a great guy he is.
If you want to help someone out, great. Go do it. Don't make a huge self congratulating post about it announcing it to everyone. Or better yet, go win a tournament. This isn't WC3.
On February 19 2012 08:30 BuddhaMonk wrote: Grubby does come off as an attention-whoring guy who's always quick to show off what a great guy he is.
If you want to help someone out, great. Go do it. Don't make a huge self congratulating post about it announcing it to everyone. Or better yet, go win a tournament. This isn't WC3.
lol Grubby is not an attention-whore, he just knows how to keep in touch with his fans EG or coL are attention whores with their "annoucement of annoucement" news
Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
On February 19 2012 08:30 BuddhaMonk wrote: Grubby does come off as an attention-whoring guy who's always quick to show off what a great guy he is.
If you want to help someone out, great. Go do it. Don't make a huge self congratulating post about it announcing it to everyone. Or better yet, go win a tournament. This isn't WC3.
This is exactly what Ret is trying to say with the "its just a Joke" post.
The way you say it is fine...Thats your opinion.
Expressing the same message and sell it as a Joke, sucks.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
You seem to be missing one thing. Grubby has not stated on any media that he's at all pissed about this. The joke was funny to some, not so funny to others. You've never goofed at work? Going after someones livelihood over a joke is well..It's a joke. (pun not intended)
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
You seem to be missing one thing. Grubby has not stated on any media that he's at all pissed about this. The joke was funny to some, not so funny to others. You've never goofed at work? Going after someones livelihood over a joke is well..It's a joke. (pun not intended)
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
You seem to be missing one thing. Grubby has not stated on any media that he's at all pissed about this. The joke was funny to some, not so funny to others. You've never goofed at work? Going after someones livelihood over a joke is well..It's a joke. (pun not intended)
Actually Grubby did post on twitter that he didn't find it funny and hinted that he found it distasteful.
The fucking drama some of you conjure out of thin air, sheesh. Get outside and(/or) do something productive instead of fuming over a bloody joke, for chrissakes.
On February 19 2012 09:04 NietzscheanKant wrote: I found it hilarious.
The fucking drama some of you conjure out of thin air, sheesh. Get outside and(/or) do something productive instead of fuming over a bloody joke, for chrissakes.
It was probably a good idea for Grubby to make public the nature of his relationship to Feast. People have been mistakenly assuming that Feast was joining (or had joined) Team Grubby for weeks. It was in Grubby and Feasts best interest to make the nature of their relationship public. I doubt a team like Millenium appreciates having their player constantly bombarded with questions as to whether or not Feast was indeed a part of Mill or Team Grubby.
And I really doubt Ret intended for his post to be a malicious attack on Grubby. He was simply poking a bit of fun Grubby's way.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
Pretty sure I wouldn't have been banned even if I made this same post
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
You seem to be missing one thing. Grubby has not stated on any media that he's at all pissed about this. The joke was funny to some, not so funny to others. You've never goofed at work? Going after someones livelihood over a joke is well..It's a joke. (pun not intended)
Actually Grubby did post on twitter that he didn't find it funny and hinted that he found it distasteful.
Not as much hinted as outright stated he does not appriciate "homo" jokes. But he seems not to attach to much to it.
Cinimidrak @Cinimidrak @followgrubby What do you think of how Ret is making fun of you on TL? teamliquid.net/forum/viewmess…
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby @Cinimidrak Oh, that. I didn't think it was funny because I don't like "homo" jokes. #distasteful
Demuslim said on the stream it was intented as a friendly jab at Grubby more then anything, and that him and Jos thought Grubbys post was abit focused on himself.
Think people get way to uptight over it but homo jokes are in bad taste imho :|
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
lol wow i started reading this post and as i reach the end i take from this 1. they are not homos untill one of them owes the other something 2.Ret is demuslims new master 3.Demuslim is on EG and Ret Is on Liquid
people get offended for nothing nowadays, such a serious business -__- fwiw I had a good laugh even if I'm a Grubby fan, I don't see any reason to be so butthurt....
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
I think this is one of the issues people have. Would this Thread be under blogs it's pretty clear this is a (more or less - you can argue about that) joke. While it's under sc2 general it's imo pretty clear people get offended cause this place is meant for announcements/serious stuff. :/
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
I got offended over a post on sc2 general by a TL member!
EMAIL THE SPONSORS!!!
...please
Already done homie Sometimes it's nice for the sponsors to see what they're paying for in action. Considering this is probably the most attention he's gotten in his career.
Great idea...I will follow you in this.
Really guys...? Come on, that's just silly. I'm not too fond of Ret's post aswell cuz I'm a Grubby fanboy, but writing a complaint to his sponsors because you didn't like this one troll post.... + Show Spoiler +
What an anti-funny satire of Grubby's post. Not to defend Grubby or anything, but this is trite, juvenile, and I'm disappointed that team liquid allowed Ret to make this post.
Oh god, wouldn't want them to let their players express themselves on an online forum they rightfully own and control and pay for and moderate without direct payment.
On February 19 2012 08:40 InSSerenity wrote: Ret accomplished what he never thought possible. He got people to talk about him. More about his stupidity for making a thread like this, but hey publicity is publicity right?
41 page thread where it's roughly 60/40 on support. Typically those aren't good numbers when you have such small fan base to begin with, pissing off/losing fans is probably the worst thing you can do. Trolling has a time and place, this wasn't it. Wasn't tasteful, wasn't clever, seen more impressive trolls from middle school students on LoL.
It's okay for those of us who are offended, twitter and emailing the very few sponsors Liquid can manage to get is always a great way of showing them the people they're paying for.
Do note I'm more offended by the complete lack of effort put into this more than who it's aimed at. If you're on a professional team that's widely considered the most mannered team and viewed with a lot of respect for it, the last thing you wanna do is piss that down the drain by doing..this.
Here Ret, I'll give you some examples of your awesome trolling skills. "Hur hur you're fat." "Hur hur if you spent less time trolling and more time playing maybe you wouldn't suck." "Guys I'm so good at this game I can make drones yo."
It's a useful talent to have, making drones. But anyone in bronze league can hit 4 + d.
Grow up, Ret and Grubby know each other. You've never poked fun at a friend before? Give me a break. You'd seriously threaten a player by going after his source of income? Grow a pair and learn to take a joke.
He's not paid to troll. My views differ greatly than most on this forum especially the moderators. Ret isn't anything special, he's a human being who made an offensive stupid joke that had it been any regular <-- community member doing the exact same thing, would have been banned for.
Sorry, I treat everyone equally. A horrible lazy offensive troll is no exception people just seem to hold him to a higher esteem than others.
I wish I could tag people on TL, so I could tag you "Guy with dick up his ass"
On February 19 2012 11:26 Vul wrote: I actually thought it was kind of funny, but it doesn't sound like Ret knows Grubby that well, so this might not have been such a good idea.
lol if grubby gets offended he really needs to lighten up ^^.
Unfortunately this thread seems to have run its course.
In the interest of science I went through the thread and checked the nationality of people who didn't find the OP funny, to see whether the "unfunny Europeans" stereotype held true. At first it looked like Europeans had a sense of humor, with only 1 post like "this isn't funny at all -.-" coming from the Contienent compared to 6 of those kinds of posts by Americans and Canadians. But apparently this was a product of it being 5AM in Europe when Ret made his post, as soon the entire continent of Europe awoke and few to the forums in a murderous rage, ready to defend Grubby's honour. I stopped counting when the score was 17-7, Europe.
EPT
