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On February 19 2012 04:39 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 04:27 DueSs wrote:On February 19 2012 04:26 WritersBlock wrote:On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY! I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum. I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Its not a hard concept to grasp. But you can't expect people to be happy that not everyone is being treated equal.
I don't think they DO "expect" people to be happy about it. I don't actually think they care they they make every single person happy.
See Nazgul's latest post, responding to you.
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On February 19 2012 05:14 SarkON wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:07 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 04:48 Skyline026 wrote:Tbh Jos knows Manuel wasnt self promoting, Dutch e-sports scene is rather small. Never really noticed Jos hatin' on Manuel. I think he is smarter than that  I think it is the opposite. He knows he was self-promoting and that is why he called him out. It is nothing serious however. Self-promoting? Seriously? The guy who averages about 4-5k people on his stream whenever he goes online. The guy who won ESWC, WCG twice among many other huge and notorious tournaments throughout his career. The guy who's been living from progaming for about 8 years now. That guy needs to be self-promoting on TL forums? Get better arguments, and then post. Thanks
To get 8k people ?:D Just trolling sory i had to 
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On February 19 2012 05:04 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 04:47 Blasterion wrote:On February 19 2012 04:13 Primadog wrote:Poll: Best PairingRetxDeMusliM (54) 65% GrubbyxFeast (29) 35% 83 total votes Your vote: Best Pairing (Vote): RetxDeMusliM
(Vote): GrubbyxFeast
Why isn't demuslim x ret and feast x grubby a part of the poll? Because those are just silly.
I am blasterion I can make it work.
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I am tasting some bitterness or whatever behind the 'humor'.
Grubby is like the nicest and most genuine guys ever, like, White-Ra caliber. Dissing people like that makes you look like a loser.
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On February 19 2012 05:17 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:04 Primadog wrote:On February 19 2012 04:47 Blasterion wrote:On February 19 2012 04:13 Primadog wrote:Poll: Best PairingRetxDeMusliM (54) 65% GrubbyxFeast (29) 35% 83 total votes Your vote: Best Pairing (Vote): RetxDeMusliM
(Vote): GrubbyxFeast
Why isn't demuslim x ret and feast x grubby a part of the poll? Because those are just silly. I am blasterion I can make it work.
Senpai is always seme Blasterion. You're commiting blasphemy.
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On February 19 2012 05:17 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:04 Primadog wrote:On February 19 2012 04:47 Blasterion wrote:On February 19 2012 04:13 Primadog wrote:Poll: Best PairingRetxDeMusliM (54) 65% GrubbyxFeast (29) 35% 83 total votes Your vote: Best Pairing (Vote): RetxDeMusliM
(Vote): GrubbyxFeast
Why isn't demuslim x ret and feast x grubby a part of the poll? Because those are just silly. I am blasterion I can make it work.
Damn it now that I really think about it feast x grubby is just plain terrible. Demuslim x ret might work though.
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On February 19 2012 05:22 JimmiC wrote:
your spider sense is broken, and shitty
Talking to me?
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On February 19 2012 05:23 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:17 Blasterion wrote:On February 19 2012 05:04 Primadog wrote:On February 19 2012 04:47 Blasterion wrote:On February 19 2012 04:13 Primadog wrote:Poll: Best PairingRetxDeMusliM (54) 65% GrubbyxFeast (29) 35% 83 total votes Your vote: Best Pairing (Vote): RetxDeMusliM
(Vote): GrubbyxFeast
Why isn't demuslim x ret and feast x grubby a part of the poll? Because those are just silly. I am blasterion I can make it work. Senpai is always seme Blasterion. You're commiting blasphemy.
that makes it even more exciting.
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On February 19 2012 05:01 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 04:59 frozenrb wrote:On February 19 2012 04:56 SarkON wrote:
From official Grubby's twitter:
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby
@Cinimidrak Oh, that. I didn't think it was funny because I don't like "homo" jokes. #distasteful Yea he probably find more funny jokes about mothers and cancer... What is wrong with you? Every post you have made in this thread has been extremely weird or outright nonsensical. And now this gem.
Ok i found people on the internet who thinks same like me!!! Nothing is wrong with me!:D
http://magnetoboldtoo.com/2011/12/06/charity-aint-charity-if-you-brag-about-it-it-is-public-masturbation/
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On February 19 2012 05:14 DueSs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 04:39 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:27 DueSs wrote:On February 19 2012 04:26 WritersBlock wrote:On February 19 2012 02:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Jokes are not for everyone. Never will you make a joke that every single person out there likes. If you dislike a joke and hate on it hard enough, you will find yourself in a scene where nobody dares to make jokes anymore. There's no reason why you should have found this funny, however just take it easy if this wasn't your humor. So that the next time a player wants to make a joke that may appeal to you, he is not afraid to give it a try.
I love Grubby and he is amazing. When you are doing good things, and you use them for some self promotion, it is still infinitely better than not doing good things at all. GO GRUBBY! I don't think people are mad that he made a joke(jokes are for everyone =p), it's the double standard moderation that people don't like. If any other person made a joke thread like this it would be instantly closed. For example if Idra made a full thread making fun of cruncher he'd probably get another 6 month ban. Plus Grubby has gotta be the nicest guy ever so it's sad to see him being made fun of and it being endorsed by the most highly moderated forum. I'm pretty sure Liquid members get more freedom to post on teamliquid.net Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Its not a hard concept to grasp. But you can't expect people to be happy that not everyone is being treated equal. I don't think they DO "expect" people to be happy about it. I don't actually think they care they they make every single person happy. See Nazgul's latest post, responding to you.
IDK if your responding to me, but I was agreeing with Nazgul. Its only normal that certain pro's get better treatment, its also normal for some people to dislike that. That's all i was saying. If you ctrl+f nazgul you'll see multiple posts where i said 'nazgul was spot on'. I wasn't argueing or anything. I completely get why a pro has more leniency, i just also sympathize with people who disagree with that line of treatment. Sall Good
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Really can't believe this wasn't taken in Good humour.. there is always going to be Banter between players, especially those who are considered the best two of their country, Netherlands. C'mon guys.
Grubby can troll himself, i am a fan of Grubby and Ret and DeMusliM, them all being my favourite players of their respective races, and I know there can be BM, but its friendly bickering. Grubby did what he did to get attention, which I am not blaming him, he's independant, its the same as if Team Liquid said they where going to join with EG to help them in this current slump of performances in the team leagues. Its to make him look good, so he can get promotion and get attention, AND MONEY, its his Job at the end of the day.
Ret and De just felt like trolling it. Fine, it may even give them the psychological advantage when they next meet. ITS PART OF THE SHOW FOLKS. Man up, stop crying, if you didn't find it funny, shut up. If you did then laugh.
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Is this the best post ever?
I think it might be. Ret has some balls, and a sense of humor almost as big.
Well played :D
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On February 19 2012 05:04 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 04:44 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:35 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 04:31 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:25 Purple Haze wrote:On February 19 2012 04:12 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:00 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 02:30 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please! We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?) Oh, did you now? Let us look at your comment earlier: On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote:
Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising. I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status? He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased. It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football. Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing I think it makes sense since you understood it. Although my example is only to illustrate the point that winning X and winning Y are not equal. BW took much more skill because it was much more competetive. Moreover it had less titles to win. In BW every title that mattered had the best competition in them because the leagues are standardized and there were only two: OSL and MSL. In WC3 you had things like WCG and ESWC and what else that had national qualifiers. But the nations were not equal. Grubby had no competition in his national qualifiers, so he made it into the final tournament rather easily. The Japanese tournament had nobody who was very good, but someone made it into the finals from there anyway. Moreover, there were scheduling conflicts. Sometimes the best would go to different tournaments held at the same time. Now let us consider BW, and I'm ignoring the fact that the scene itself was of higher quality, but the starleagues do not have national qualifiers. There is only one way to qualify. And there were no scheduling conflicts ensuring that all the best players were aiming to play in them. Winning a starleague, even not counting the overall qualities of the scenes, is a much bigger deal than winning, say, a WCG. With that being said, I don't doubt it at all that Grubby has useful knowledge to share. As Nazgul pointed out it is good that he shares it and it is nice of him. But if you think he did it purely out of niceness and had no self-promotion in mind, then I don't know what to tell you. Not that it is a very terrible thing to do but do expect someone to call you out for it if you do.
Just stop while you're not that far behind.... you're analogy was pretty bad. You realize Demuslim was a WC3 player right? I guess he sucks because he came from the "mobile phone tossing" of Esports and didn't play BW. Don't dig your hope any deeper by being stubborn. There are a number of ex-WC3 players who are now among the top foreigners in SC2... above ex BW foreigners. WC3 was obviously not some LoL-esque easy-mode game.
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So, Ret already cleared it all up; This was a joke, plain and simple. Most of us probably understood that from the start.
However, I missed out on what DeMuslim apparently said on stream about Grubby, and since I'm genuinely interested, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what that was about.
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On February 19 2012 05:35 lamehater wrote:
So, Ret already cleared it all up; This was a joke, plain and simple. Most of us probably understood that from the start.
However, I missed out on what DeMuslim apparently said on stream about Grubby, and since I'm genuinely interested, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what that was about.
I mean it IS Team Liquid. People should have known their players are bred to not have the capabilities of BM in them XD
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On February 19 2012 05:35 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:04 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 04:44 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:35 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 04:31 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:25 Purple Haze wrote:On February 19 2012 04:12 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 04:00 Squeegy wrote:On February 19 2012 02:30 ohampatu wrote:On February 19 2012 02:27 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This was obviously just meant as a joke, and a little trash talking never hurt anyone. I respect Grubby and his carreer in E-sports, and everything he does. I look forward to playing him lots of times in the future and I am sure that he is just going to keep improving and be an even bigger force in the community than he already is now.
To all the haters, lighten up a little please! We only know you were joking Ret, we're just bad overreactors (myself included). I dont think anybody thinks it wasn't in good fun, it just seemed that way because of the timing and with what Demuslim said on stream. Apart from your choice of certain words it had some nice funny points. A few more attempts and you could be a good parody/troll writer. As others said, great idea, slightly bad attempt. Sall Good. You've been on fire recently. GL in the upcoming tournies (as long as you don't knock out any of my fav protoss ok?) Oh, did you now? Let us look at your comment earlier: On February 19 2012 00:49 ohampatu wrote:
Why do so many people think this is fucking funny. Is it the cool thing now to bash on another progamer's thread about helping somebody out. I don't care if you don't think the mentor-ship that Grubby is doing is going to work, trolling him about it is useless and doesn't mean much.
Ret vs Grubby is currently 6-5. So yea, Ret your so baller for smashing Grubby LOL.
Grubby is a God, while you will never ever achieve the things he has in his life. I actually used to like you Ret, just felt that you needed somebody to mentor you, because you make the same exact mistakes now as you did 6 months ago, which is ironic because you make fun of a programer that has done litterally 3x as much as you for trying to help someone out. Maybe you should ask if Grubby can give you some tips? Because while your skill is stagnating Grubby is better every single day. I just lost the little respect I did have for you Seems to me like you were apalled that people thought it was funny. But doing an 180 degree turn is of course not very surprising. I was very upset about how funny people thought it was and overreacted as my first post, and have said that more than once. That post wasn't really all about ret, it was more about how every comment after seemed to deem Ret some funny troll when in regards this is the worst troll attempt ive ever seen and very disrespectful. Read my last 15 posts, non of them are bashing anybody. As ive said, i overreacted on my first post, but have since said quite a bit more than that. Im not doing a 180 at all, i was trying to be nice to Ret when I replied to him, is that bad? As i said, my thoughts haven't changed: *Ret/Demuslim should give Grubby the respect he deserves, they are no where near his level. He is an iconic figure of Esports while they are just good players. *This was a good troll attempt, but bad implementation. Those 2 points sums up my thought on this thread. Nazgul said it best edit: @Forikorder, that would be a good idea, but PP vs TZ would end up with TZ crushing i believe. Mebe do a KOTH with all 4. Whoever wins 3 games in a row first gets master status? He's only an iconic figure in E-sports if you followed Warcraft 3, in SC2 he's improving but hasn't really achieved much of note. The worship he receives that is totally out of proportion with his actual accomplishments in Starcraft, which makes it easy to enjoy him being gently teased. It doesn't matter which game you play. People need to stop breaking down Esports into subcategories. Just because he was in Warcraft 3 and not SC1 doesn't make him any less important to esports. In fact, as has been stated, Grubby has International success in numerous different countries, where most bonjwas were isolated to just KR. This is just like all the Hon/LOL/Dota hate SC2 fans throwout. You guys need to realize that 'esports' involve more than 1 game. His sc2 accomplishments have absolutely nothing to do without how good a mentor he can be to a progamer And sports involves more than say ball games. That does not mean that mobile phone tossing is on equal terms with football. Your post literally doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is equal to phone tossing in terms of skill while SC1 is football???? Sorry bro, not true. Yes some games require more skill than others, but thats not about this. All this topic is about is Grubby Mentoring a up and coming progamer. Grubby can help as much as anybody, and possibly more than others because his success is international where as others were isolated. Its a good thing I think it makes sense since you understood it. Although my example is only to illustrate the point that winning X and winning Y are not equal. BW took much more skill because it was much more competetive. Moreover it had less titles to win. In BW every title that mattered had the best competition in them because the leagues are standardized and there were only two: OSL and MSL. In WC3 you had things like WCG and ESWC and what else that had national qualifiers. But the nations were not equal. Grubby had no competition in his national qualifiers, so he made it into the final tournament rather easily. The Japanese tournament had nobody who was very good, but someone made it into the finals from there anyway. Moreover, there were scheduling conflicts. Sometimes the best would go to different tournaments held at the same time. Now let us consider BW, and I'm ignoring the fact that the scene itself was of higher quality, but the starleagues do not have national qualifiers. There is only one way to qualify. And there were no scheduling conflicts ensuring that all the best players were aiming to play in them. Winning a starleague, even not counting the overall qualities of the scenes, is a much bigger deal than winning, say, a WCG. With that being said, I don't doubt it at all that Grubby has useful knowledge to share. As Nazgul pointed out it is good that he shares it and it is nice of him. But if you think he did it purely out of niceness and had no self-promotion in mind, then I don't know what to tell you. Not that it is a very terrible thing to do but do expect someone to call you out for it if you do. Just stop while you're not that far behind.... you're analogy was pretty bad. You realize Demuslim was a WC3 player right? I guess he sucks because he came from the "mobile phone tossing" of Esports and didn't play BW. Don't dig your hope any deeper by being stubborn.
It wasn't bad. It illustrated the point quite clearly and thus did exactly what I wanted it to do. Yes, I do know Demuslims was a WC3 player and I don't think he is very good. But what does Demuslim have to do with what I said? I don't think I am stubborn. I think I am very much correct and you haven't given me any reason to think otherwise.
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Grubby was obviously self-promoting, which is perfectly fine, but his post came off more pretentious than was probably intended and it rubbed certain people the wrong way, which was obvious from Demuslims comments on stream. Ret decided to make fun of him, which is also perfectly fine, but it wasn't done in a light hearted way which may or may not has been his intention. Grubby didn't think it was that funny which tells me the two aren't on 'friendly banter' terms with each other, and that makes it a failed attempt at humor or a successful attempt at rediculation(yes I just made that word up!).
It doesn't matter if people in this thread 'got' the joke, what matters is if Grubby did and it looks like he didn't.
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