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Is this real or supposed to be a troll ?_?
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On February 18 2012 21:53 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:49 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:44 frozenrb wrote:On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote:
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China. Still he won a lot! Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it. Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay? Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page. Ignorance at its finest. If you actually read what I said... Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins.
Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety.
Either way I'm done with this thread. If you're going to troll, put more effort into it than a copy paste.
It's okay Ret, try trolling on your stream so you get half as many viewers as he does 
Or hey, try playing WoW or LoL for a living. Your trolling style would fit very well in both community's. LoL would love you for being lazy, WoW would love you because people would think it was good.
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On February 18 2012 21:38 o)_Saurus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 20:50 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:41 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:29 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote:
gratz ret -.-
i lost a lot respect to you.
Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby).
If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor. I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone. Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular. After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know. Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183459¤tpage=42#829Click the spoiler. I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from. That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice. Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones). The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names. To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby.
On February 18 2012 21:39 InSSerenity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:33 Imbu wrote:On February 18 2012 21:19 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:16 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote:
Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling.
I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world?
Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors. Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either. Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad. 1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA) To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls. I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed. Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll. That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't. As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS.
But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football.
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Can someone help me please, I'm searching for 'ret' at Wikipedia to see if Grubby has indeed a 100% win rate against him on lan but don't know whether it's the Romanian village, Retford railway station or the Sudanese politician that is the correct one?
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The lady doth protest too much.
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Is that supposed to be a joke? Damn stupid.
On February 18 2012 22:00 Longshank wrote:
Can someone help me please, I'm searching for 'ret' at Wikipedia to see if Grubby has indeed a 100% win rate against him on lan but don't know whether it's the Romanian village, Retford railway station or the Sudanese politician that is the correct one?
None of the above, nonfactor players don't have their own wikipedia pages.
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On February 18 2012 21:58 InSSerenity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:53 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:49 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:44 frozenrb wrote:On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote:
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China. Still he won a lot! Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it. Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay? Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page. Ignorance at its finest. If you actually read what I said... On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins. Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety. Calm down, lol. You're drawing this waaay out of reason. Was it your GF that Ret stole or what?
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But Liquipedia says Demuslim has NOT qualified for MLG Winter Arena?!
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On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:44 frozenrb wrote:On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote:
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China. Still he won a lot! Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
I'm not fanboy of Grubby, I don't like crystal polished players, i like calm and nice people. When someone needs to say F*** he should say F*** not carrying about "community" who is one day loving some guy and another is throwing pitchforks at him ( hello Mr. Sundance ). But when you want to throw some F word be sure you will be compared to White-Ra and other players. I don't talk about stupid things like "being ahead 2 planetary and still lose to some storms" - that is just raging and we should criticize that kind of statements.
It's like Incontrol who sometimes make bad jokes... but at the end of the day Im sure he didn't want to make anyone feel bad
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And comparing games is lame too:/
To BW people - yes, your game was hard, it was like driving a Fomula 1 car in old times, manual gearbox, no carbon monocoque. I bet drivers from old times would kick some young asses. SC2 is new game, WC3 was totally different, maybe easier. But you can't compare everything to BW... they were playing other game, they switched they are playing better and worse games. That's all.
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On February 18 2012 21:58 InSSerenity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:53 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:49 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:44 frozenrb wrote:On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote:
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China. Still he won a lot! Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it. Blind fanboys look at the list and think omg lots of wins. Intelligent people comprehend the message that the list was used to portray. Or are simply smart enough to rely on others to use common sense. I shouldn't assume the best out of people. Next time I'll hold your hand and teach you how to read every line, okay? Edit: Btw mabye you should ctrl+f and see how many Zotac cups are listed, especially on the page. Ignorance at its finest. If you actually read what I said... On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:
Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it.
...you'd see that I was talking about 2 seperate lists. As I said, I do not deny that he won a lot, only someone clueless about wc3 would do that. Just saying it's inflated with pointless wins. Funny, most of the "pointless wins" are worth more than Ret had achieved at any point in his career in terms of publicity and notoriety. Either way I'm done with this thread. If you're going to troll, put more effort into it than a copy paste. It's okay Ret, try trolling on your stream so you get half as many viewers as he does Or hey, try playing WoW or LoL for a living. Your trolling style would fit very well in both community's. LoL would love you for being lazy, WoW would love you because people would think it was good.
It really makes me sad that what I perceive as some friendly trolling leads to comments like this. Please Grubby or Ret come in this thread and help clearing things up.
Also, I´m sorry to sound harsh, but Nani´s comment completely pisses me off. I really can´t believe that almost everybody in SC2 is just faking being nice to hide their actual "bad" personality. Sometimes I seem to forget that most players are in their late teens/early twenties but I want to believe that even at this pretty young age you already learned the difference between keeping it real and just acting like a dick because of your own insecurity or whatever. There might be only very few people who are really good by nature. But most gamers and human beings in general that I know think it´s the right thing to do to act in a respecting and manner way to people they don´t know too well. And that´s not to fool somebody but that´s what I expect people to act to me too. I will say whatever I want to people if I think it´s necessary but I will try to choose words that won´t get people offended unnecessarily.
Edit: Wrong quote.
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oh rat, what are you doing LOL
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On February 18 2012 22:09 frozenrb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:45 Elem wrote:On February 18 2012 21:44 frozenrb wrote:On February 18 2012 21:41 Elem wrote:
That Grubby list is awfully inflated with irrelevant wins, fyi. Things like dutchqualifiers mean fuck all. The only national qualifiers that ever mattered merit-wise were Korea/China. Still he won a lot! Yeah I don't deny that he did win a lot, still dislike it when blind fanboys will copypasta things like that or the list which has like 15 zotac wins in it. I'm not fanboy of Grubby, I don't like crystal polished players, i like calm and nice people. When someone needs to say F*** he should say F*** not carrying about "community" who is one day loving some guy and another is throwing pitchforks at him ( hello Mr. Sundance ). But when you want to throw some F word be sure you will be compared to White-Ra and other players. I don't talk about stupid things like "being ahead 2 planetary and still lose to some storms" - that is just raging and we should criticize that kind of statements. Didn't mean you, sorry if you misunderstood.
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On February 18 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:38 o)_Saurus wrote:On February 18 2012 20:50 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:41 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:29 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote:
gratz ret -.-
i lost a lot respect to you.
Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby).
If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor. I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone. Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular. After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know. Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183459¤tpage=42#829Click the spoiler. I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from. That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice. Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones). The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names. To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro. It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby. Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 21:39 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:33 Imbu wrote:On February 18 2012 21:19 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:16 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote:
Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling.
I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world?
Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors. Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either. Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad. 1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA) To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls. I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed. Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll. That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't. As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS. But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football.
I said I was done, but couldn't resist.
So the player you're so eager to defend did the following.
A: Skipped out on the chance at tons of money and notoreity, for nothing.
B: Knowingly chose to play a game he knew he couldn't succeed at.
THEN you go on to compare the games...
You win good sir, you win.
I will now rest easy knowing that Ret, knowing he could have accomplished more in wc3, stayed in BW for no reason. Stupidity like that would explain this thread, works for me.
Loggin out thanks for the great morning treat before work
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ahahaha grubby fans getttin salty cus they can't take a joke
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Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize. That first sentence, I wish I could say that...
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On February 18 2012 22:11 Elem wrote:
Didn't mean you, sorry if you misunderstood.
I was considering that option :D there were 1/100 chance you were talking about me :D have a nice day Sir Elem
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On February 18 2012 22:12 InSSerenity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 21:38 o)_Saurus wrote:On February 18 2012 20:50 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:41 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 20:29 SarkON wrote:On February 18 2012 20:18 Dingodile wrote:
gratz ret -.-
i lost a lot respect to you.
Your post shows somehow "mentor is silly" und shows like you have not (much) respect to many/some people (especially grubby).
If you wanted a post troll-post, you trolled unhappy. Dont trolling to someone who want to be a mentor. I have a lot of respect for Grubby since the glorious WC3 days. And I must say that I've never seen him being bad mannered or openly "bash" someone in the community or "troll" someone outside of his games. I think he's one guy who wants the things being done the right way and doesn't want to get on the way of anyone. Ret on the other hand, I never knew who the guy actually was outside of SC2 scene. But now he's just showing what he really is and indeed I have little respect for him for doing things like this thread in particular. After watching Incontrol's stream yesterday, I was really surprised at DeMuslim's reaction to this whole Grubby's mentoring thing since the guy started to openly bash Grubby for this. I mean, why would you do that? What interest you have in saying something about a relationship of 2 players that have nothing to do neither with you nor your team. BTW Demuslim was part of 4K team when Grubby was dominating the Warcraft 3 scene as part of the same team. Maybe there's some kind of bad feelings about it?? Don't know. Anyways, the point is that Ret and Demuslim just showed the amount of respect they have for Grubby, which is exactly 0. But IMO Grubby is the one who deserves all the respect from the community (same way as White-Ra) for his eSports career, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183459¤tpage=42#829Click the spoiler. I don't know where this myth of Grubby being all that mannered came from. That's some weird chatlog man. If it's really Grubby than I'm speechless. Maybe a replay of the game would've been nice. Yes, it is him. People have forgotten a lot during the years it seems. But don't be speechless, as someone pointed out, not many are really that mannered. Seeing how rare such people are, let us not give credit where credit is not due. That should show just how special people like White-ra, Sheth and a bunch of Koreans (Boxer, Nada to name a few famous ones). The replay you can find yourself by googling the players names. To the log: Seriously, if you don't know EricM don't post such a shit. He deserves it all over because he is and was a complete retard. And the rest... I mean cmon we're on the Internetz, Bro. It doesn't matter if he deserves it or if we're on the internets. What matters is that you wouldn't see people like say White-ra, Sheth, Boxer, Nada and others say things like that. And I can guarantee you that was not the only instance of being badmannered from Grubby. On February 18 2012 21:39 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:33 Imbu wrote:On February 18 2012 21:19 InSSerenity wrote:On February 18 2012 21:16 Squeegy wrote:On February 18 2012 21:09 InSSerenity wrote:
Funny Ret. I'm sure with his wall of first place trophies he's really worried about your trolling.
I'm not really the master troll that Ret is...but has there ever been a point in his career in any game he's played where it was without question that he was top 3 in the world?
Hrm...none of the history shows it, perhaps it's just a coincidence. I also can't seem to find where he's won back to back anything, at any point in time...
Gawlee gee willickers I'm glad Ret is such an amazing troll, I think the best part was looking at his liquipedia after reading his post.
Edit: And Naniwa, props to you. You know who you are and have the balls to show it without the smoke and mirrors. Well, to be fair, if Grubby had played BW he would have none of those either. Go build a time machine and lets find out. Till then facts are facts, and bad troll is bad. 1st Place – Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas – USA) 1st Place – CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul – Turkey) 1st Place – World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco – USA) 1st Place – Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin – Germany) 1st Place – Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris – France) 1st Place – Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York – USA) 1st Place – BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles – USA) 3rd Place – World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore – Singapore) 2nd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover – Germany) 2nd Place – World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York – USA) 1st Place – World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao – China) 2nd Place – ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen – Denmark) 1st Place – WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London – UK) 1st Place – WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York – USA) 3rd Place – KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing – China) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany) 1st Place – Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover – Germany) 4th Place – World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan – China) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles – USA) 1st Place – ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg – Germany) 3rd Place – ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France) 2nd Place – Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai – China) 5th Place – PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing – China) 3rd Place – W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul – South Korea) 3rd Place – Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County – California – USA) 3rd Place – eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede – Netherlands) 1st Place – DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping – Sweden) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover – Germany) 1st Place – ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede – Netherlands) 3rd Place – Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris – France) 1st Place – WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam – Netherlands) 1st Place – eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 1st Place – EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht – Netherlands) 1st Place – WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam – Netherlands) 3rd Place – World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24–2 Oct–Nov 2008, (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – Extreme Masters III – Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – Extreme Masters III – China, January 2009, (Chengdu – China) 2nd Place – Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 – Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne – Germany) 1st Place – e-Stars 2009 – King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County – California – USA) 1st Place – World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou – China) 1st Place – Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne – Germany) 2nd Place – e-Stars 2010 – King of the Game (Seoul – South Korea) 2nd Place – WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA – USA) To clarify, there's a lot of facts he's had more tournament experience than certain trolls. I understand your point, but what I think the poster above you means is that had Grubby switched to SC:BW, he would have never had a chance to be successful as he was in WarCraft. WarCraft III was a new game, and he had manged to gain his foothold at a good time. BW on the other hand had already been out for 5 years by this point, and Grubby would have never been given the chance to succeed. Everyone makes choices for different reasons. I'm not trying to compare the games or why they did what they did. The point is, in what Ret made a decision to do, he made infinitely less of an impact than the person he is attempting to troll. That isn't arguable. Both players made their decision, the same could easily be said for Ret switching to wc3 and not being able to succeed. They each pursued what they felt they could, one made an impact that shaped the scene, the other didn't. As more of a spiteful note, I've seen more potent trolls from a high-school dropout. If you're going to do it, show some class. You're on Liquid FFS. But I am quite sure Ret would have succeeded if he played WC3. Not necessarily to the extent of Grubby of course but I don't see anyone from WC3 particularly outclassing him. Roughly speaking I'd claim BW foreigners were on the same level as WC3 proscene. BW proscene, however, was far more difficult to succeed in. In that sense WC3 results do not mean that much. Kind of like you cannot say that player X is better than player Y, if player X has ten medals in something not very competetive while player Y has no medals in Olympic level football. I said I was done, but couldn't resist. So the player you're so eager to defend did the following. A: Skipped out on the chance at tons of money and notoreity, for nothing. B: Knowingly chose to play a game he knew he couldn't succeed at. THEN you go on to compare the games... You win good sir, you win. I will now rest easy knowing that Ret, knowing he could have accomplished more in wc3, stayed in BW for no reason. Stupidity like that would explain this thread, works for me. Loggin out thanks for the great morning treat before work
But he didn't know that. Ret went quite far and even played in a pro-team in Korea. That is his peak and it happened very late in BW. Examples where people stay within their field despite better prospects in something else are numerous. Money is not everything. Success in WC3 would have been something inferior and not the real thing. He would always be the guy who did not make it in BW so he went to WC3.
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