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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
a webshow made of high level analytical analysis of professional gamers! check it out live at 11:00 am KST, Monday - Thursday (when I'm not traveling) at Twitch.TV/Artosis! VODs: Episode #1 - ToD vs NaDa, NesTea vs Juan Episode #2 - Liquid`HerO Episode #3 - Liquid`HerO day 2 Episode #4 - lastshadow Episode #5 - Liquid`Ret Episode #6 - Liquid`Ret day 2 Episode #7 - SaSe | ||
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eNtitY~
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TT1
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arcane1129
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Disengaged
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Sub40APM
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Rakasha
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chadissilent
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TeamBanished
United States301 Posts
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Serbia1449 Posts
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
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United States573 Posts
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arcane1129
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Cocoba
Canada352 Posts
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goal 888
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Can't wait to see it! Who on earth doesn't like artosis ...oh wait...anti-artosis doesn't.... | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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IMoperator
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
this will be so good omg.. | ||
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SonOfBoxer
Korea (South)62 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:23 Nawe wrote: Sry if question is stupid but can I get link to the stream? Same question here >.> | ||
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NoScary
United States151 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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EternitysEnd
United States30 Posts
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Taktik
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44116 Posts
Artosis ♥ | ||
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AxelTVx
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
My body is ready. This is going to be amazing ^_^ | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Tenda
United States146 Posts
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jabberwockzerg
United States294 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
edit oo Is already in the calendar.. sweet ~ :D damn how will I sleep tonight | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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SonOfBoxer
Korea (South)62 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:27 hunts wrote: ♥ artosis! Will probably watch for your amazing game knowledge and analysis. Also would be awesome if you could drag idra into it with you for some episodes while he's in korea :D Please, don't do this. Artosis is awesome, but Idra is not, Although they are friends, this should be Artosis' show, no Idra involved. PLEASE don't do this to me. | ||
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Hulavuta
United States1252 Posts
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Celestia
Mexico376 Posts
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Calvin[Deck]
Denmark88 Posts
I really hope that you do not restrict yourself to one hour, because then your broadcast will be from 3am - 4am for me. | ||
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MountainGoat
United States507 Posts
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ECHOZs
United States499 Posts
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deadmau
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Laplace
United States20 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
Anyway, looking forward to it, Artosis. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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KgKris
United States164 Posts
Artosis why you so gosu and handsome? | ||
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Champi
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Stress
United States980 Posts
11a.m. KST is 21:00 EST or 9:00p.m. EST | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:39 Champi wrote: I shall combine your artosis hour with my beer hour to create...'THE HAPPY HOUR!' Sounds like an amazing idea. I might have to join you :D | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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Forward77
United States11 Posts
Just messing. I'm really looking forward to this. I'm glad Artosis named it and gave it a time slot. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
dont turn into the day9dailyshow. too much face time and rambaling and not enough analysis for my tastes | ||
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Gugu
United States79 Posts
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kittensrcute
United States617 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:39 Stress wrote: Awesome! Will definitely check it out. 11a.m. KST is 21:00 EST or 9:00p.m. EST haha thanks, saved me a google. | ||
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JJH777
United States4392 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:42 Forward77 wrote: I' d pay 20 bucks for this.... Too soon? Just messing. I'm really looking forward to this. I'm glad Artosis named it and gave it a time slot. I'd be more willing to give Artosis $20 than MLG. | ||
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kju
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[DekAr]
United States59 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:25 arcane1129 wrote: I believe 11 am kst is 8 pm eastern, 5pm pacific. Someone verify plz It's in 15 minutes, so 9 PM EST and 6 PM PST. edit: and i also had no idea this thread was 4 pages long. T_T seems like that's already been addressed lol | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
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khanofmongols
542 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:22 Sub40APM wrote: what time is 11 am KST in North American times? That is 9 pm US Eastern time. Really enjoy your stream and analysis, very good. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:47 rOse_PedaL wrote: so this is like a day9 daily? And so the rivalry continues | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:47 rOse_PedaL wrote: so this is like a day9 daily? Haha exactly what I was thinking. I like the name too, ''Artosis Hour''. Oh and to the dude above me, YESSSSSSSSS | ||
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saMas
Belgium37 Posts
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:25 arcane1129 wrote: I believe 11 am kst is 8 pm eastern, 5pm pacific. Someone verify plz Its actually 9pm EST, 6pm PST. TL has a clock in the upper right corner, and the time is in KST always. Even if your computer isn't set for KST, TL has you covered Also means its in about 10 min | ||
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Felony
United States131 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:47 rOse_PedaL wrote: so this is like a day9 daily? except with someone who has a better sense of the game | ||
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
ITS ARTOSIS HOUR | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
That never ends well for Artosis though. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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alber
Canada45 Posts
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McGuire72
Canada140 Posts
Will be watching in ~30 seconds when it starts. GL friend! <3 | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States693 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
for everyone wondering why he is talking in kst look in the top right corner. its tl time | ||
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.ImchEEzy
Canada123 Posts
i want to see artosis playing in gsl | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
It's like watching a GSL commentary, but with the ability to stop time! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
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IMoperator
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Also, was that 11/11 rax or 12/14? | ||
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Pyre
United States1940 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:09 IMoperator wrote: Did tod go nexus first?? Also, was that 11/11 rax or 12/14? 1gate nexus but he had to cancel it. 12/14 with one makarax hidden at his expo. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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StrinterN
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:14 RogerChillingworth wrote: making the day9 daily look like the WHEEL OF FORTUNE Well, even Apollo is a much better analyst/caster than Day9 these days. Day9 is just too busy playing monobattles with Husky. | ||
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IMoperator
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On February 14 2012 11:12 Bagi wrote: 1gate nexus but he had to cancel it. 12/14 with one makarax hidden at his expo. Thanks. Never even thought of doing 2 rax vs. protoss for some reason lol. Most masters protoss go 1 gate expo too so i'm going to work this build in. | ||
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bro_fenix
United States132 Posts
or 1/2 of an archon...either way you're awesome! | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
Otherwise amazing stuff Been wanting something like this for a long time | ||
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Poo
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Walruslisk
United States36 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
My only complaint is that the video becomes blurry when there's movement. Not technical enough to more accurately describe it. | ||
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c0se
Germany148 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
It's exactly why I started watching Day9 but nowadays he has little clue what he's talking about and focuses more on what he's drinking than the game at hand (which is usually some foreigners..). I'm glad some real high level analysis is available now! | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there? I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in... | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9? Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there? I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in... nope, not at all ... Artosis is a busy man he streams when he can. the first episode is good so far | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
its 3:45am here and im still watching even though i wanna sleep so badly. great show | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:44 CEPEHDREI wrote: day9 step aside, artosis takes over now. For the master or near master crowd anyway | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:45 The KY wrote: The fuck how does this game go on for another 25 minutes?? This is exactly what I'm thinking. Nada has a crucial gap in his defenses, the bottom-center expansion can be broken , and if broken decisively, Tod can go from there straight into the natural and over the Production Facilities of Nada, effectively ending the game. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
More please. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9? Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there? I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in... Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers. | ||
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how
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:46 Slardar wrote: This is exactly what I'm thinking. Nada has a crucial gap in his defenses, the bottom-center expansion can be broken , and if broken decisively, Tod can go from there straight into the natural and over the Production Facilities of Nada, effectively ending the game. Its also important to note that if Tod uses his upper base as a point of attack there is nothing but chokes between him and Nada's mining bases. He can keep denying that corner base fairly easily as well. Though because he is zealot heavy its kinda hard. Against Zerg its super easy to take those bases and use them instead of splitting the map since its so much more cost effective to defend and attack through there than to worry about the middle of the map. | ||
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m4inbrain
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nailujk
Canada27 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:49 SovSov wrote: Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers. Day 9 is not narcissistic, and while most of his insight is for lower level players im in diamond and I find the approach to positioning and decision much more helpful since thats where I make most of my mistakes. | ||
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Bagi
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:49 SovSov wrote: Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers. Yeah, I have to agree with this. Day9 is more than capable of high level analysis, but he no longer doing so due to the popularity of the show. And thank you artosis for bringing us this awesome show. | ||
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Linwelin
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minilance
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:52 ZeromuS wrote: Day 9 is not narcissistic, and while most of his insight is for lower level players im in diamond and I find the approach to positioning and decision much more helpful since thats where I make most of my mistakes. Day9 focuses a lot on himself (more than the average person would). If you watch the daily looking for signs of narcissism, you will see a lot of them. People who know him in real life also say the same thing from what I hear. | ||
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Ponyo
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Toastmold
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Hybris
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RaiKageRyu
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United States478 Posts
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Immaterial
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WolfBro
United States59 Posts
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
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United Kingdom903 Posts
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9? Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there? I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in... It's not daily, it's 'when possible'. He's a busy guy so I doubt it will ever come into contention with the Daily. Besides, they focus on different things. Artosis is very specific in what he talks about - certain moves or choices. Day9 focuses more on the gameplan of the player or other bigger picture things - the 'broad strokes' as he would say. Anyway, awesome show Artosis! So cool to hear your thoughts like this since you don't really have time to go this in depth during the GSL. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:02 Jedclark wrote: Will there be VoDs? He's using twitch, so it should automatically save the vods | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:54 Caphe wrote: Yeah, I have to agree with this. Day9 is more than capable of high level analysis, but he no longer doing so due to the popularity of the show. And thank you artosis for bringing us this awesome show. Is he really? The problem is that I have never seen him go into such detail as Artosis does right now. He used to show a lot of knowledge in his BW dailies sure, but he was a pro himself in that game so of course he knew a lot. Nowadays his dailies are much more "general RTS stuff" than actual detailed analysis. You don't really need to know that much about the recent metagame for example to do what Day9 does, but you certainly need to be up to date if you want to do what Artosis does. Day9 just seems to want to be more of a "community guy" instead of an intricate analyst, which is okay and he certainly is still very popular. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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Lorensoth
Greece28 Posts
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DarkInfinity
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ApoNow
Luxembourg100 Posts
It's more like "if I was in his shoes I would do this and that" and not "if you are in this situation you might consider this and that". It's more concise and situation-related in contrast to Day9's broader analysis. I think both approaches are very different and I like them equally well. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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how
United States538 Posts
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9? Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there? I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in... They do not overlap eachother on time slots, Artosis will be doing analysis of high level play, and Day9 generally tries to actually teach you something (a particular build, style, etc.) I think there is more than enough room for both of them to coexist. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Otherwise great show. | ||
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TaylorGangOrDie
United States104 Posts
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! | ||
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Loliser
Canada58 Posts
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saMas
Belgium37 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:12 how wrote: They do not overlap eachother on time slots, Artosis will be doing analysis of high level play, and Day9 generally tries to actually teach you something (a particular build, style, etc.) I think there is more than enough room for both of them to coexist. yea and I totally agree with you, where does this shizaep get off thinking artosis is biting off day9? I wonder if he realizes how many other casters are out there, DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. In this case, less is never better. | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 ZenithM wrote: Loving what Artosis is providing for this show. I would like it however if the replays were not only given by foreigners to show off their game against a very well known korean player :D Otherwise great show. I don't think koreans are very forthcoming with their own replays | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Also you fastforward so much I feel like you missed some important moments? I enjoyed though, definitely watching | ||
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shAmSC
Canada14 Posts
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
Maybe taking time for questions between games. That'd be kind of awesome. Either from chat/twitter/whatevs. anyways, <3s | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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Goku___
Canada33 Posts
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quen
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! well Day9 has his own style, I know you aren't hating on artosis but everyone needs to stop comparing and just enjoy if you want detailed anaylsis where it takes 1 hour to go over 1 game then day9 is for you, but artosis is much more of a theory crafter and is good at it and I don't care if it's on the fly because I play SC2 on the fly and even though I might have something prepared, something always changes. | ||
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-FullySaturatedTV-
United States4 Posts
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
However, if you could credit how you got the replay 'til AFTER the gg, it would be appreciated. I mean, yeah, I watch this for analysis, but there's also a factor of "who's gonna win this?". But when you start by saying something like "ToD sent me this replay vs NaDa".. well I don't think ToD would send a replay of him losing, even for analytical purposes. Thanks again for a great show! | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. This is what happens when he doesn't spend 3 hours planning his 1 hour show. The good news is that he's such a good analyst that he can still say the right things about a game that he might be going through in depth for the first time. I enjoyed the show and I look forward to more! | ||
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UnOv3rRaT3d
United States6 Posts
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Pyrom91
United States1 Post
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Deusmortis
United States9 Posts
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
and i think the analyzing games was good i have nothing against if he does it 2 hours instead of 1 hour i would like to see more from him was good performance | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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betaflame
175 Posts
Overall, great show, thank you Artosis | ||
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Bellazuk
Canada146 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! What Artosis does however is show it from a players mindset. Just like the players playing the game, he doesn't know the outcome so what he does is explain the thought process and options a player might have in each situation, as well as giving explanations why a player does certain decisions. The point doesn't seem to be to show "this is how a lingfestor player transitions into broodlords" (random example) but rather "this is how a player might think and plan out his game based on what he sees". Its like going into the players heads and I personally find it immensely helpful as it gives me new ideas and intricate defails that I might not have thought of myself. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:22 betaflame wrote: I think the Artosis Hour should have a little pause every once in a while throughout the replay to check and answer questions on the certain situation of the replay/game. Or maybe just after each game/replay. That would definitely make the show more viewer interactive. Overall, great show, thank you Artosis yes and then we can get some professional graphics to show during the pauses, and sell t-shirts no...artosis just wants to talk into a microphone about a replay he's watching and make us all smart. isn't that good enough? | ||
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MingusDew
United States77 Posts
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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ulan-bat
China403 Posts
And, to me, improvising your commentary is a good thing. | ||
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Ebzy
United Kingdom153 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Maybe emphasise a few timings/counters a little more so if your going this new build you need to look out for this and this. I like the way you showed at x time Nestea had seen this and this so could deduce from x/y/z. I think more commentators need to use the players point of view more. Again during highly micro intense moments show what the players are trying to achieve with their control groups etc. So maybe view the fight from Tod's point of view show how he prioritised his storms over his forcefields (or whatever it is for this player and fight) and then show it from the other point of view. I think this would help improve veiwers micro and decision making. Maybe when you miss a drop just go back and check it, just to check drones killed or anything else. Also when a player does drop, maybe you can explain their decisions regarding what to target, tech, drones, expansions or whatever. Maybe make it have its own vod section (not sure how) so people in Eu can watch it/find it easily. (Maybe a thread on TL that you update with the twitch links) Although as I said I really enjoyed it, learnt a fair chunk along with helping a student with a ruined sleeping pattern! Thanks Artosis! | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
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Entteri
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The only part I didn't like was you blaming mules for the income difference when a ton of probes were transfering on your screen. Great stuff anyway! C: | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Thanks alot for doing this! Also, I find it quite funny that the Artosis hour is 1 hour and 30 mins long...Would make for a perfect catch phrase like "The Artosis hour - Longer and better than your regular hour!"  | ||
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New Zealand853 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! Keep in mind that Artosis is doing this when he has time. That should tell you everything you need to know about whether he is going to prepare by watching the replays or not. Besides, I didn't feel his analysis to be lacking or less 'solid' at all by lack of preparation. I think it's just your personal preference... Which is fine; I just don't think it deserves the criticism. My opinion is that Artosis will provide the best quality analysis if he ignores everything the viewers suggest and just does what is natural for him. After all, he will be most experienced at what is most natural and therefore give better insight that way. It's like, I dunno... asking Jimi Hendrix to play metal. He'll do it, and he'll do it well, but since it's not what he likes nor what he's experienced at it won't be as good as his blues/rock/fusion kinda stuff. The best quality music will come from him doing exactly what he wants to do. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
I caught a ton of information I had never really dwelled on, until I watched him analyze the games. Small things, That you sometimes think about while playing at a high level, but never really stop and really consider if it's actually good or bad. (like canceling an important unit like the prism from coming out while underneath the scan, or making small changes like switching your 4sentry drop into a 1 zealot drop depending on the other players unit movements) All in all I enjoyed it, will watch more. | ||
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Sporadic44
United States533 Posts
good stuff artosis! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Personally I believe the analysis is more genuine if you are improvising and thinking about the situations on the fly instead of having a game plan already in mind going into it. That way we get to see how artosis' brain works more than just him explaining what happened during the game. | ||
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Altern
United States1053 Posts
If you won't duke it out in 1v1s then take it out in dailies | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! The way Artosis is doing it is real and actually gives insight to decision making and the possibilities that can result from it. The way Day9 does it is just so he can trick people into making them think he knows what he's talking about. | ||
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Mawi
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
shit I missed it X__X is there going to be another episode tomorrow? | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
Thanks for making it convenient! You da man now dawg! | ||
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skb_
United States3 Posts
I really liked when you pointed out alternatives, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of certain decisions and what not. You did this in the Nestea game ("should have pulled back and kept his flock alive"), but I felt you could have pointed out what Nada could have done to really take that game. In that game you were highlighting the good things that each player was doing, but not really pointing out how they should ideally play it. If you can get some tournament replays, that would be gravy too. Analyzing games from some of these weekly tournaments would be real nice, especially the ones with more modern maps. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
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Warpath
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duct_TAPE
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I love that you're doing this Artosis <3 | ||
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United States696 Posts
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
it was like watching the first episode of day 9s daily hahah artosis fighting | ||
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United States101 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
Also can you update your OP with NA times? (6pm PST 9pm EST) | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Gheed wrote: I don't think koreans are very forthcoming with their own replays Sorry, I guess I meant "showing off their wins against koreans". Not like I disapprove of wanting to only give replays of one's own wins, it's understandable, but it kills it a bit if we know in advance the outcome of the game. Like the Juan vs Nestea game, I guessed Juan wins from the start and I was basically waiting to see why. When Nestea crushed his army with 160 supply vs 120, I knew Nestea was about to make a terrible mistake, it would have been nice not to. But it's very minor, I mean, we're here to listen to Artosis' analysis, not enjoy the suspense of the game. Edit: Also, I like only replays from KR. That's just the highest level of play right now. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
If you can spare the time it would be very nice to have a Q&A time about the game(s) on Twitter or the dreaded stream chat! :D | ||
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But this is cool, 'tosis! | ||
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On February 14 2012 16:34 FlukyS wrote: An hour of power truer words have never been spoken | ||
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InfernoStarcraft
Australia136 Posts
I REALLY liked the first game, all the litte intricacies you pointed out, such as the obs watching the army movement for the ramp and third, NaDa's 3rd base location based on Tod's composition, the warp prism cancel etc. All of which was uber interesting, and I play Zerg, so I don't particularly care about the TvP MU. However the second game was kinda lackluster, it seemed the only big thing / lesson to take away from it was that Nestea thought, he could kinda end the game, or at least do crippling damage with the movement into Nonge's territory, which he actually couldn't, and then he lost a bunch of shit and was put stupidly far behind where he should have been. Idk if you have the time for much prep work and/or where you get replays, but more games with lots of subtleties for you to explain would be really awsome imo. Can't wait to see your next episode! :D | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
<33 | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 14 2012 17:46 iRRelevance wrote: Is this going to be like your other shows? Just 2-3 episodes and then cancel it? cancel implies some announced ending, what you mean is just stop doing it when he cant be bothered : D | ||
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SharkZ
Bulgaria8 Posts
Hope its gonna be pretty regural thingy coz we need as many Artosis Hours as humanly possible! | ||
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SeriouR
Spain622 Posts
Awesome thing you are doing :D | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions. He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen). For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind." It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode! I'm pretty sure Artosis' "on-the-fly" analysis is as good as it gets. You're forgetting he's used to doing this all the time, since it's you know.... his job as a GSL caster. You're being critical in the wrong areas, Artosis doesn't have the time to prepare like Day9 and is still more than capable of doing this, so you can't draw comparisons between the two. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
i wished i could watch it live | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
jk jk <3333 I think its a great idea and I'm really looking forward to it. <3 Day[9] but I'm hoping what you are doing will be more serious business hardcore analysis. | ||
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Zeetee
United States153 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Just kinda meh... :/ | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:45 TheTurk wrote: Meh... Just kinda meh... :/ Keep tuning in, trust me you'll come around and see how much of a nerdballer he is. | ||
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United States910 Posts
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Canada3350 Posts
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Ornithorynquez
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I'm just a bit nostalgic from the BW Day9 Daylies, his tone was more serious and he was focused on what he was doing, i mean now, everytime he chokes on water (like every episode) he spend like 3 minutes laughing and explaining what happened in details... and this type of stuff happens for all sorts of things (seat squeaking, pen falling... etc). I have to admit that now i can't bear his somewhat "cheerfulness exagerations". I mean it's cool to see him happy, but i can't stand these clownings/antics anymore '~'. I just hope Artosis will fulfill my hopes and overhype every player he features ! :D | ||
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Encrypto
United States442 Posts
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Moxi
708 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:58 zerglingrodeo wrote: Oh man, this is going to be like the Day9 Daily but for big kids! Very good way to put it | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
Good job Artosis. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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United States342 Posts
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United States77 Posts
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Ammoth
Sweden391 Posts
A nice first episode, but a tiny bit more preparation would be nice, like watching through the replays you analyze a few more times to get it really spot on! I will tune in for more either way! Keep it up! | ||
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
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qbs
Poland771 Posts
the only thing i can complain is the hour 2:55 but what the hell ofc i can watch the VODs :Dkeep it up ! | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
So much sc2 content, i dont have time to play anymore! | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
This is the best Valentine's Day present I could've asked for! Going back to check the VODs now. | ||
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bara
Germany150 Posts
Great idea imho! | ||
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United States549 Posts
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ToD
France222 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
Also really looking forward to your commentary while laddering, it's honestly the best out there. | ||
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Canada404 Posts
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Lionsmane
Austria3 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:44 ToD wrote: i was actually impressed at how much this man knows and understands about this game. Now i'm 100% sure that he's the most knowledgeable caster. good work Dan I rarely think something is op, but i was seriously considering saving the style nada was pulling of on shakuras as op in my head. I was flabergasted about how calm you stayed over the whole match. <3 your style | ||
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Steglich
Denmark282 Posts
How many episodes before the show is closed again? (thinking of imbalanced) | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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Chaves
Brazil315 Posts
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
1 hour felt a little short actually since you analyze the replays pretty well and it takes time to analyze something that is over 1 hour so That's why it felt so short. Otherwise ur awesome Artosis. Keep up the good work <3 ~ | ||
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United States67 Posts
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pollisand
United States35 Posts
add /videos to any twitch link has their archive. artosis is a baller and named his stream last night so it's easy to find :-P youtube is much better tho, twitch vods are resource hogs | ||
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
warp prisim is 1 shot away from dieing... barely gets a mention, artosis stay gangster. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:21 sermokala wrote: this is so amazing. speed warp prism that both Koreans are using. AND some crazy 2 immo vs 4 stalkers to try to snipe the warp prism. warp prisim is 1 shot away from dieing... barely gets a mention, artosis stay gangster. Gotta try myself some of that speed prism play looks so awesome. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
Thanks! :D | ||
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United States94 Posts
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klops
United States674 Posts
one piece of feedback and request: your mouse cursor is hidden while streaming (i think its just a simple xsplit toggle). would be nice to have it not hidden. | ||
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Canada242 Posts
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Imalengrat
Australia365 Posts
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Loved the show once again. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
I don't want to make crass comparisons to the D9D, but I really think that you offer a unique take on the theme and I think I get value watching both so I'll definitely be watching for future episodes. | ||
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sam!zdat
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FFGenerations
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hope you do some broodwar from time to time too | ||
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XTRAmir
Germany32 Posts
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
One suggestion, I noticed during the end of the first one, I think you were trying to highlight things on the screen with the mouse, but your mouse doesn't show. Not sure if it's just me, but I don't see your mouse cursor so it was a bit confusing to figure out what you were trying to point out. Great job nonetheless. Hope to see more! | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
great show tonight by the way. | ||
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Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
Make the content available on iTunes or in some form similar, so that if I am awful enough to miss an episode, I can catch back up easily, as the twitch.tv player is horrid. Artosis, I am loving your hour and I am loving even more that it goes over :D Best of luck in the future! | ||
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Canada146 Posts
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minilance
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Canada1327 Posts
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
You made an all-in build (1-1-1) that'soverdone in a matchup i don't even play seem really cool (well the defense of it anyways) | ||
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mejin
Switzerland3 Posts
thank you | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
. One thing a lot of people were saying in chat, can you create an overlay to cover up the Replay Timer at the mid-right of the screen? That spoils the experience for some people. | ||
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United States67 Posts
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Funguuuuu
United States198 Posts
You should do some DRG replays in the future though. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:19 Slardar wrote: Artosis is pretty awesome . One thing a lot of people were saying in chat, can you create an overlay to cover up the Replay Timer at the mid-right of the screen? That spoils the experience for some people. I like seeing it actually it lets me know how much more there is to learn. If I see an attack coming and I can see the game keeps going I know someone is defending well and can learn a lot | ||
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Canada2158 Posts
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Scrubington
Canada475 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:19 Scrubington wrote: So Artosis just reviewed a replay between Hero and another Protoss. I was wondering where i could download the replay file. Thanks in advanced for the help! Just in case anybody else enjoyed this PvP as much as I did, I found the replay pack HERE is the link. It was InorifOu versus HerO. The best PvP I've ever seen, period. | ||
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DreamChaser
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On February 15 2012 12:16 Hossinaut wrote: Dear Artosis, as I will no longer be watching the Day[9] Daily as his content is lacking significantly in terms of quality compared to yours and my innate preference to hearing your commentary, I am left with one request. Make the content available on iTunes or in some form similar, so that if I am awful enough to miss an episode, I can catch back up easily, as the twitch.tv player is horrid. Artosis, I am loving your hour and I am loving even more that it goes over :D Best of luck in the future! Ouch man, thats rough | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
So Goooood | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:20 ZeromuS wrote: I like seeing it actually it lets me know how much more there is to learn. If I see an attack coming and I can see the game keeps going I know someone is defending well and can learn a lot I'm under the notion Artosis is generally aiming to choose lengthy replays to go over, so you know there will be a decent chunk of learning per replay. For the viewers wanting to watch it as a game with analysis it ruins it for them though. Can go both ways, I'm neutral on the matter myself. | ||
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Canada352 Posts
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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Canada5 Posts
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garbodor
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Thanks for the show, Artosis, very entertaining stuff. :c | ||
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United States7684 Posts
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
After you graduate from the Day[9] school of starcraft, you enter the artosis college of starcraft :D | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
Love the new show, haven't been able to watch the GSL so anything with you or Tasteless is quite amazing. Definitely a unique brand of analysis, it's extremely thorough and unbiased. Need more of it! Keep it up. <3 | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:21 Jerubaal wrote: You're a wonderful human being, Artosis. Even if you sound like a bored weatherman. A Handsome bored weatherman* | ||
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United States57 Posts
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klops
United States674 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:16 phanto wrote: man don't worry about going over the hour. just call it "the artosis show" and do 2x replays and let it take the time it does. great show tonight by the way. i echo this. if you're serious about this show and enjoy doing it then don't restrict yourself to the hour and keep it anywhere between 1 and 2 hours imo. | ||
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United States1519 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:54 Arcanne wrote: Pretty high quality analysis. Much higher level than Day9. Don't know if that is really necessary... | ||
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seiferoth10
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What? It is higher level than Day9. Day was regarded as the highest level of analysis in a show, and now Artosis's show trumps that, so it is necessary and relevant to the premise of this show. Even though the comparison of the shows is stupid to begin with, it should be obvious that Day's show has shifted gears from its bw/beta days. | ||
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United States2120 Posts
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United States71 Posts
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United States2958 Posts
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United States296 Posts
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy. User was warned for this post | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy. The focus for this show is strategy, not imbalance. He already has the 'Imbalanced' show (that he may or may not continue). Get your balance whining out of the thread. | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
Much appreciated! | ||
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United States390 Posts
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Germany1226 Posts
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pampelmus
Switzerland215 Posts
Hey Artosis Do you plan to upload your shows to Youtube? Would be much more easy to access them! Or update your entry post with the direct links to the episodes? | ||
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Sweden1808 Posts
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UmbraaeternuS
Chile476 Posts
It's so cool that you decided to do this, Dan. I'm glad someone is finally doing some high-level analysis again, and that of all people, it's you who's doing it. :D I'll be there whenever I can to mod the stream's chat... When I'm not trapped at the hospital treating patients at the ER like yesterday, of course. Much love, dude. P.S: If you have any questions or trouble regarding VODs upload to Youtube, don't hesitate on PMing me. I also upload VODS and analysis for my own daily show, so if you have any doubts, I'll do my best to help. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:09 Jeffkeuh wrote: Its on at 3am where I live As is it in 90% of Europe | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:09 Jeffkeuh wrote: Its on at 3am where I live Well you need to take into account that Artosis probably goes by korean time so if he does it sooner its in the middle of the night for him. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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SeriouR
Spain622 Posts
thank youv eyr much : | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
TwitchTV has VODs clearly marked. It's not like it's live game that loses it's spark. It's to help you improve. Not sure when it's live really affects this in any significant way? | ||
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
I'll obviously tune in. | ||
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United States1213 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy. User was warned for this post Artosis didn't confirm my own ideas about balance so I called him biased. Anyone know when this is back on? Is it weekly or.. | ||
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Elitios
France164 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:52 The KY wrote: Artosis didn't confirm my own ideas about balance so I called him biased. Anyone know when this is back on? Is it weekly or.. So far its slated as daily now whether this means M-F or 4 days or what I am not sure. I could care less how often it is as long as he doesn't stop it like he did his other shows. That would make me pretty sad actually. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:22 FreudianTrip wrote: TwitchTV has VODs clearly marked. It's not like it's live game that loses it's spark. It's to help you improve. Not sure when it's live really affects this in any significant way? It's always more fun to watch things live. There's a sense of urgency to it, it's easier to sit down and watch something live than it is to sit through a vod at a later date... At least that's how I feel. | ||
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
Keep it up! | ||
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Madera
Sweden2672 Posts
I just hope you stick with the idea because your analysis is always top-notch. | ||
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RabidSeagull
United States220 Posts
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
Would be great to analyze replays of the new maps in ladder pool and how they play out in the zerg matchups, how you have to adapt, what are the dangers, stuff like that. | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
cause twitch.tv s vod system is bad | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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WonkySpecs
United Kingdom13 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 16 2012 02:30 ZeromuS wrote: So far its slated as daily now whether this means M-F or 4 days or what I am not sure. I could care less how often it is as long as he doesn't stop it like he did his other shows. That would make me pretty sad actually. He's going to cancel the show in a couple of months when the Ascension final comes around. | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
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Zteel
Denmark5 Posts
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Ubikuuu!
Italy285 Posts
If I have to find a flaw, you move the screen WAY, like, WAY WAY too much. Other than that, keep em coming daddy^^ | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
The two shows are different and are both great in their own ways, and we don't even know if AH will continue, but from what I can see, that was impressive. Great work and quality analysis, Artosis ftw! | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On February 16 2012 06:36 Bleak wrote: This is freaking awesome. That was possibly the deepest analysis I've ever seen, not even Day9 way back when he wasn't this popular, where there wasn't things like funday mondays etc. wasn't doing this kind of analysis. It was really exciting to watch that, I loved the serious tone of Artosis compared to the half-cheerful and half-serious tone of Day9. The two shows are different and are both great in their own ways, and we don't even know if AH will continue, but from what I can see, that was impressive. Great work and quality analysis, Artosis ftw! I don't think I agree. Day[9] does go into extremely deep analysis at times (too much for some people). I'd agree they are just different. I think Artosis's PoV is slightly more of a players perspective while I think Day[9] tries to cover more of a big picture of how to get better. Its so awesome when Artosis pauses the replays and explains 1 or 2 things that are going to happen next and why (especially during battles when decisions are made with reactions in game, often though those decisions are thought out and discussed with peers before hand so that making that reaction is instinctive). Nobody does this as well as Artosis, frankly he gives me Nerd Chills. Almost everytime he pauses the game to explain whats gonna happen next I know he is right or the players are playing incorrectly. <As funny as that sounds (his analysis is of the best players in the world but he still has to criticize), I think its true. <3 Artosis Stream | ||
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crawlingchaos
Canada2025 Posts
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
Does anyone know if Artosis posts or says anywhere what the topic of each daily is? I don't really have time to watch them all so it'd be nice to know ahead of time whether to make time for a daily or not. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 16 2012 07:08 Darthsanta13 wrote: I caught the episode last night. The entire second half of that PvT my jaw was pretty much dropped. I still don't know how hero pulled that off. I really like the more in-depth nature of the analysis that Artosis does. I think it's nice to see the difference between Day9 and Artosis. Even though they kinda fill different niches I still like listening to both just because they're both good and it's pretty nice to get different perspectives on analysis. At least as someone who is still learning to analyze the game it's nice to get a taste o different methods of doing the same thing. Does anyone know if Artosis posts or says anywhere what the topic of each daily is? I don't really have time to watch them all so it'd be nice to know ahead of time whether to make time for a daily or not. No he doesnt post it but we will figure out as a community I'm sure When he learns to put it on youtube he will probably title them | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
General feedback: - You tend to spend a lot of time on the first replay, and not so much on the second. This might just be due to the length of games + time restraints but I've noticed this in both shows. - You do still move the camera around loads - I don't personally mind but some other people might - Try not to go into play-by-play mode! I'm hard pressed to find anything other than those, which are mainly nit picking... I LOVE THIS SHOW. Hope this continues! | ||
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stanik
Canada213 Posts
Thanks for doing this. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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phfantunes
Brazil170 Posts
1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions. | ||
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Shingebiss
United States17 Posts
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NEXUS6
United States413 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily. nope | ||
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Rosstock
Sweden172 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily. Then you might want to stick to watching the Day9 dailys, this isnt suppose to be entertaining, annd its far more in-depth imo | ||
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_Mittens
United States168 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:30 phfantunes wrote: Amazing show. But if some feedback is needed: 1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions. Oh shut up you. Obviously he's going to go really, really in depth with Protoss. It's the very beginning of this thing, he'll do Zerg and Terran just as much. It does have a bit of a home team Protoss feel, but what do you expect? And who cares? Keep your friends close and your enemy races closer. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
As to people comparing this to the Day9 Daily: I feel that the Daily wants to combine analysis with entertainment (except on mondays) whereas this is only aimed at analysis. | ||
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laoji
United Kingdom382 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily. i've seen several times posts wishing the daily was more analytical, don't flame something different | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
Your insight is really what separates you from other casters. Thanks a bunch for doing this. | ||
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MostDifferent
Norway124 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily. I love day9 and all, but his show has way to much focus on entertaining and humour. I think artosis provides something alot of people have been missing | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:30 phfantunes wrote: Amazing show. But if some feedback is needed: 1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions. I think the reason it is protoss replays is because Artosis plays protoss himself so its kind of like sharing what he does for himself with us ya know? | ||
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Sliver
United States402 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily. This is the Day9 Daily before he tried to turn himself into a celebrity. | ||
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United States420 Posts
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MostDifferent
Norway124 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:03 Sliver wrote: This is the Day9 Daily before he tried to turn himself into a celebrity. nothing wrong with what day9 is doing, just look at the amount of viewers he has! I liked his earlier shows better too, but its obvious that the majority prefers the type of show he has now.. | ||
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Greece292 Posts
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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Tulkas25
Greece292 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:06 MostDifferent wrote: nothing wrong with what day9 is doing, just look at the amount of viewers he has! I liked his earlier shows better too, but its obvious that the majority prefers the type of show he has now.. Why do you even have to compare these 2.Both offer a quality product and are very well-spoken people who have great understanding of the game.Maybe they are the most knowledgable people besides the current pro-gamers(if you hear lastshadow talking in his vlog about tvp your mind will be blown with the immense depth). | ||
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JoppeK
Poland4 Posts
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Partywave
United States88 Posts
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:10 JoppeK wrote: Are there any vods.? yes there are vods, search for them! He said he will upload the om youtube later on. But i found 1 on gosugamers news site for starcraft2 | ||
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pulperi
Finland87 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/artosis/videos | ||
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United States3634 Posts
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tymt
Sweden293 Posts
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Shingebiss
United States17 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet. Uhhhh.... And what is your opinion towards Day[9]? Personally, I like both, and chances are, if they're in masters, it's because they're better than ~98% of the community. Get your sour grapes away from my beautiful idols. </3 | ||
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
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Kewlots
Australia534 Posts
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Leifish
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DreamChaser
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Step 1: Day9 dailies for those who are becoming interested in SC2 Step 2: Tasteless commentary on everything SC2 related Step 3: high level analysis Artosis | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet. Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely. Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad. EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greater understanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless. | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:28 RmoteCntrld wrote: Are you going to be putting the majority of your effort into breaking down Protoss play? or will you mix in the other races? Not knocking the show or anything just a question. he said he didnt have time to plan tonight so he threw on another Hero one | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show.. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:53 teacash wrote: Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show.. He's probably just doing the show at the time that is most convenient for him. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
Should always have his old content after it's broadcast. He may also be doing it at the time of the Day9 Daily because he knows people are active on TL at that time. Both Artosis and Day9 have VoD's, so you can still watch both. VoD is better IMO, no ads :D | ||
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Ryuuka
Sweden87 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:53 teacash wrote: Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show.. He does start an hour earlier than day9 doesn't he? Day9 is at 7 pm and Artosis does this at 6 pm. Is that right or have I misunderstood these us timethingys? :p But I suppose the Artosishour is a bit longer than an hour and therefore it will overlap a bit. | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:06 Ryuuka wrote: He does start an hour earlier than day9 doesn't he? Day9 is at 7 pm and Artosis does this at 6 pm. Is that right or have I misunderstood these us timethingys? :p But I suppose the Artosishour is a bit longer than an hour and therefore it will overlap a bit. oh does he? my bad. Changes in DST here but not in korea always throw me off | ||
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Shingebiss
United States17 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:22 Subversive wrote: Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely. Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad. EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greater understanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless. Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:12 Shingebiss wrote: Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub. trololol, banhammer inc. Loving the new show artosis, keep it up! | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:12 Shingebiss wrote: Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub. Artosis has been a part of the competitive SC scene since the dinosaurs, and he has probably watched and played more Starcraft in general then most foreigners. You may disagree with him and that is fine, but your troll post for attention is so off base it is mind boggling. | ||
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United States463 Posts
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relay
Norway30 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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Archeon
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i just noticed my numbers where wrong (forgot about the 2x(+5) bonus against light), so 4 (including the lifting one) would be enough to one-shot, probably the 5th is just gotten to have more energy, like you said. on the other hand the argument with 1 or two is still viable, ofc one would reduce it's viability to just scouting, but with the second one would need to kill at least 2 mules to make it worthwhile. 5 is probably to much if it doesnt kill at least one or two medivacs, as seen in the second game, where hero just played from behind from the start and as a result neither could play aggressive, nor expand early. i think he went not for colossus in the 2nd game because what robos in the beginning kinda do is get observers out, which is not necessary if hero still has the phoenixes for scouting. also colossus+phoenixes just gets hard-countered by early medivac-stim-pushes, since robo->robo-bay->colossus just takes way more time after stargate than starport. do you think that some kind of storm+warp-prism (including more gateways) would have been more helpful than the colossus-tech? on the one hand asd had many emps, on the other hand asd expanded pretty fast and had his army most of the time on hero's side of the map, so some kind of zealot-drop could have been helpful. it's not like colossus was bad by any means, but it wasnt enough and colossus are expensive overall, while temps could have freed the minerals necessary for a fourth base which was necessary for getting back in the game. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
Great job! We're all excited for more fantastic content! | ||
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
I love the Artosis hour. Him laying down the knowledge and discussing decision making and the importance of things like observers in PvP is sweet. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
You've both got your style But Brother, You're never fully dressed Without a smile! Your clothes may be Beau Brummelly They stand out a mile -- But Brother, You're never fully dressed Without a smile! | ||
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PolskaGora
United States547 Posts
Keep up the good work! | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
I hope this stays around for a long time, I hope it gets less Protoss heavy once he got through the Hero Replaypack. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
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ryndaris
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Tailss
Sweden233 Posts
On February 16 2012 17:46 Fragile51 wrote:although i hope he starts uploading them to his youtube channel..twitch.tv vods are kinda buggy :x Indeed. I usually cant watch them live so youtube vods would be really helpful! Other than that... The Artosis hour is just totally awesome!! :D | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Just on the second game (Hero vs Nuclear/Asd), you didn't really mention what hero could have done differently to win. Was it just the phoenix opening that got shut down or nuclear's micro in the battle? Thanks so much for making these though, so much depth :D | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:13 Salv wrote: Will there be a fourth? Going to guess that he couldn't do it because he had to be at the GSL Studio's 2 hours after it would start to do | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:16 peekn wrote: Man I never seem to be on at the right time to catch Artosis doing the cast. I read about this when he first posted it but haven't gotten my schedule lined up >.< Awaiting the VoDs!!! You can watch the vod's on twitch | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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ddrddrddrddr
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
Ahh thanks I didn't think of that... going to check em out now. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
So happy about this. I am fucking gay for Artosis. | ||
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1nMack1
Canada88 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
On February 18 2012 10:08 1nMack1 wrote: Artosis reviews a game Nada vs Tod. There's a ton of focus on tod but nada's gasless 2rax expand was pretty amazing. Seeing how Artosis is a Protoss player it doesn't surprise me that the focus of the replay is the Protoss player. | ||
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ryndaris
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On February 18 2012 11:15 peekn wrote: Seeing how Artosis is a Protoss player it doesn't surprise me that the focus of the replay is the Protoss player. I didn't feel this at all - I thought he gave Nada's opening plenty of attention early on, always pointing out how he gained various small advantages, etc. | ||
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Taktik
Poland680 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On February 19 2012 10:58 Taktik wrote: No episode tonight? Probably only gonna be weeknights. | ||
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xajukx
Canada325 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
going over some lastshadow (a foreigner terran in korea) replays from the Korean ladder! | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:23 Dodgin wrote: This is the description for today's show if you click on the calendar event: going over some lastshadow (a foreigner terran in korea) replays from the Korean ladder! Oh sick. Can't wait to see his play, not had a chance to see him in action yet. | ||
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Singapore6164 Posts
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
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MingusDew
United States77 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:49 svefnleysi wrote: Holy shit, are we going to see a fourth episode? That's a record for Artosis, right? DON'T JINX IT! keep making these, so much better than the day9daily a lot more informative for the fine details :D | ||
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_Mittens
United States168 Posts
I love Artosis. Ok guys, here is a Terran replay pack here, going to focus more on the T side of things... focus on the Protoss play in the first game. I SEE HOW IT IS. Still a god damn great thing. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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citi.zen
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High[5]
United States61 Posts
I think maybe some Replays featuring more Zerg would be good, you know, to balance things out. ^^ | ||
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Savern101
United Kingdom859 Posts
Seemed like pretty average masters level play. | ||
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Underated
United States30 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On February 21 2012 11:24 scDeluX wrote: I've always liked theses Artosis shows. I wonder why he stopped the scforall.com weekly format. He could of made it big. This is basically what sc2 needs now, a weekly recap of everything sc2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312993 This guy is amazing, yet unsung. :D | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On February 21 2012 12:15 Underated wrote: When discussing mechanics today, Artosis mentioned a program that times how fast you can hit hot keys? The idea being to set up an elaborate sequence, and practice over and over to get faster. Does anyone know the program? I can't find it. i'm also quite interested in this program...it's a somewhat useless program but it should be interesting....could it be part of one of sc2gears' numerous updates that i don't pay enough attention to? | ||
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Tel Maethor
United States11 Posts
is there somewhere where the VOD's are easily accessible? i don't think they have been uploaded to your youtube channel | ||
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Sweden63 Posts
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On February 21 2012 12:13 Savern101 wrote: Good analysis from Artosis but I really wasn't impressed with the quality of games from LastShadow. Considering his Vlogs about TvP I didn't see anything exciting or revolutionary for Artosis to talk about Seemed like pretty average masters level play.wat I play average masters level in europe and average masters level is baaaad. With average I mean 750-1100 Masters at the end of the season. Lastshadow played really well imo, but ofc there are obvious mistakes, thats why you don't see any of these players win tournaments right now, but the overall game quality is definitely higher than what you see in an average masters level game, much fewer obvious blunders. (Ofc I don't know if he specifically picked replays that were a higher quality than his usual matches) edit: The second TvP was really strange though lol That 4-gate, wtf was this. Seeing that he was about 900 points master in korea last season (if Im watching the correct Yosh) that seems about right, the overall quality in Korea seems a little bit better, the first game was not bad imo. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Maybe for TvT reps from various top Terrans discussing its strengths and common mistakes with it.Just an idea, still love the how! | ||
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
i would tune in every time but 3am is a bit harsh | ||
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Powerskills
Switzerland11 Posts
It's always a pleasure to watch your new episodes. I wish u best of luck in the future! | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:08 Legio wrote: Can you get IdrA on and have you both discuss an important game, from the view of both players? For us loyal fans that have been waiting a year for the next Imbalanced show ya or just spend 15 minutes or more talking about imbalance and shitting on terran and protoss in general. not picky here. man ret tried to throw game hard lol | ||
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Vond
Sweden145 Posts
Anyway, something I'd like to see added in more in the analysis is something that Day9 did in said episode: point out common mistakes that people will do in certain situations/timings, even if they might not happen it's interesting to see and compare to how you'd play it out yourself in that situation and thus learn not to. | ||
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MarinePrince
United States101 Posts
Artosis Hour is so good :-) | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
I would suggest to get some of the pro players on the show (if they are willing) so you can talk about the games with them and know exactly what their thought process was. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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oDDable
United States54 Posts
I would love to hear more about the mind-set of winning. What is the difference between the Nestea's and DRGs and the IdrA's, if you know what I mean. We get gameplay analysis everywhere, but I want to know how these guys feel. Tell their stories, that type of stuff is inspiring and would actually be MUCH more helpful to the average ladder-anxiety suffering player. Teach us how to be mentally prepared to crush nerds. *edit* also if you gave yourself a shot of adrenaline before every show that would be awesome. We are used to seeing you amped up. Lets say if the Artosis amp goes to eleven and you're at a 5... bump that to a 7. | ||
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anoit7
Croatia11 Posts
 DIMAGA late late late game analyses | ||
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United States3 Posts
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Jaenz
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I really enjoy Artosis's commentary, so thanks alot !! | ||
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Canada3668 Posts
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:03 Vond wrote: Very nice episode of the Ret v State game, was a bit funny since I just before that watched Day9's episode analysing the same game however. Anyway, something I'd like to see added in more in the analysis is something that Day9 did in said episode: point out common mistakes that people will do in certain situations/timings, even if they might not happen it's interesting to see and compare to how you'd play it out yourself in that situation and thus learn not to. Ye was nice to have a game vs game comparison between you guys And although I enjoy your show, Day9 had a bit more tips/tricks. Like timings you have to watch for. Your state vs Ret game was a bit more commentary 'i like how he burrows here' etc. Still good tho! And you won't hear me complaining of having another analysis show.. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
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Haeuffchen
Germany1 Post
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show. Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily. SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers. Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case. Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will. (Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make) | ||
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SkyBlaze
Canada191 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:21 Haeuffchen wrote: + Show Spoiler + I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it. As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show. Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily. SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers. Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case. Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will. (Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make) I'm completely with this guy. while the day9daily is good I stopped watching it for learning purposes along time ago. I wish the Artosis hour is all about learning. I love the high level of deep analysis. @edit BTW good first post and welcome to Team Liquid forums =D (if I'm allowed to say that) | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:21 Haeuffchen wrote: I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it. As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show. Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily. SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers. Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case. Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will. (Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make) Agree 100%. Artosis, I think this guy says it best so far. Keep it about the game, even though we fucking love you, and this show will be freaking amazing for learning. | ||
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Senwyn
Germany19 Posts
First Liquid Red Analysis. Rly good .Day 9 had a daily about the exact replay and now artosis as well. To me it was more interesting because i already knew what was going to happen. So i was able to focus on the analysis. For future episodes. You could first show the entire game and then restart and go through the game. I feel like that would be useful sometimes. Keep it up. regards, | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Don't stop Artosis, thank you so much. | ||
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klaxen
United States361 Posts
I can never catch the show live, but watching the vods it would be nice if you could cut the dead space at the beginning of each. Most of em its around 10 minutes of just watching your beautiful face before any talking starts. | ||
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Vexin
Romania84 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:37 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote: Agree 100%. Artosis, I think this guy says it best so far. Keep it about the game, even though we fucking love you, and this show will be freaking amazing for learning. I third this! Try to keep it essentially as it is, it's excellent so far. The high level analytical almost scientific approach is for me, much better than the seemingly ego centric 'how do I feel about this'/cut to response shot approach of day9. You can of course improve the production if you feel so inclined but its not necessary to make it more of a show. I particularly like that you analyse the game, looking at both sides rather than focusing on one/the star player. Stating why something's good or how/what could be better is very refreshing compared to the usual non-constructive 'this is just bad <forced laugh>' that's common in the community. I think 2-rax bunker openers the world over are going to be a whole lot scarier tomorrow, and I'm sure it's not the end of it. You sir are a big damn hero, keep it up please! | ||
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Murlox
France1699 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:21 Haeuffchen wrote: + Show Spoiler + I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it. As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show. Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily. SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers. Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case. Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will. (Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make) That's an objective approach of the matter, but I think what drives the show is a more subjective approach. I mean, Day[9] didn't chose to be a bit less analytical and more comical / self-centered, I think he is just being himself. He seems a great guy, his show became a business which works well, so what we get now is a confident and happy dude making what he truly likes, aka speaking of SC and himself. I don't think Artosis works the same way, though. Artosis has always been more focused on how great X player is. I mean, back to Ascension (WHERE ARE THE FINALS, ARTOSIS), he was already both quite analytical and focused on how good/famous/genius players were. I mean I can still remember how awesome and great Yosh (or something) is, as a Terran player, a guy I never heard about before / after. So my advice would be : stick to your guns. Sure you can try to aim for the educational niche as developed above, but first and foremost, analyze the strategies and praise the players. Especially since you are now in the best position to get so much intimate infos/gossips/whatever about the best players in the world, use it! It's the perfect opportunity and it fits your style. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
As someone who truly loves SC2 and plays it every day, I have to say that your commentary on these excellent games brings back that initial excitement I had when I first saw SC2 VODs for the first time in beta. 2 years later and after grinding thousands of games in NA Masters I just get a giddy feeling watching your analysis that there is so much more out there for me to learn about this game. In other words, this stuff makes me wiggle. Keep up the good work man, your show is really something special! | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
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cosimorondo
United States78 Posts
First off, thanks for creating this very dense treasure of content. I like your style, it is straight to the point without any fluff or nonsense antics that makes me cringe/get bored. Realistically speaking, nothing about the content should change. You're a great starcraft mind and that's not going to change for better or worse. Something minor things that would improve the experience for me-- The beginning of the video is the beginning of the show. This may be an artifact of the twitch vod system, but it is very frustrating for people with slow internet connections that have to load the video before figuring out where it actually starts, and then the buffered portion unbuffers if you try to skip ahead . . . you get the picture. This is nitpicky, but, since you have such a cerebral, non-stop, hit the points style when answering questions at the end, it requires a high level of focus to . . . focus. If you could arrange the room behind your seat to be a little more balanced and organized, i think it would help with immersion. Other than that, please please just keep doing what you're doing, you're doing it right. | ||
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Moxi
708 Posts
I love that you don't mention and do this commercial from other places (GSL) to your show. I know day9 do that all the time from tournaments, I really enjoy that you don't really spamming around your show. And it's a great show! Would be so boring to hear after each GSL (or other tourament) like "Please go watch the X, where we are trying to be a better gamer".. so sick of that shit some other people do. Keep it up, your amazing! | ||
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Brax
Austria8 Posts
I´am a low Master league Terran player and want to get better mechanics. I realy love your show! Pls could you also explain in your show how to execute things: For example: How do you Hotkey the fastest. To be clear I want to know what your hands do and not "you have to make three control groups Marines in 1...". I have found differnet options but I am not sure if I do it right. Let´s say I have an army of marines marauders, medivacs + Vikings + Ghosts against P. 1) a) Box the whole army and press SHIFT + Click on the ghosts and than CTRL + 1 to have my main army without ghosts b) Now it´s very specific but I think also important. Do you double Click on the ghosts and than hotkey them or do you press CTRL + Click on one ghost? (also do you do this on the main screen or where the units are below?)...and than hotkey them Also do you use your pinky to press CTRL or do you use the palm of your hand and press 1 with your ring finger?? 2) a) Double Click marines (or CTRL on one marine) -> hotkey wherever b) Marauders.... c)Medivacs .... d).... Maybe I do it competly wrong... Could you please make a daily explaining such things Thanks in advance for your help | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 23 2012 16:28 TanTzoR wrote: In which episode he looks at tod? Episode #1! I'm really enjoying the Ret analysis, great games. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
like, "tomorrow we're going to be looking at a lot of drop play", or "dealing with early harass", or "looking at protoss gas timings", or whatever. the current "we're looking at this player today" is okay, but it's just an idea for the future if you have more time to dedicate to preparation at any point. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
On February 28 2012 15:30 Angel_ wrote: If possible, in the future at some point it would be cool if the show is a consistent thing you keep doing, to have some sort of theme in advance for people to look at. like, "tomorrow we're going to be looking at a lot of drop play", or "dealing with early harass", or "looking at protoss gas timings", or whatever. the current "we're looking at this player today" is okay, but it's just an idea for the future if you have more time to dedicate to preparation at any point. I like the fact that he basically has no idea what is going to happen in a game. It makes his 'predictions' very legit (like expecting X play from a player that is behind/or ahead) and it feels great when I agree with him and to see the player in question actually make that decision as well. The analysis on Ret's game of shattered temple was a perfect example of this I think. ("He 'should' be doing this" vs "he 'is going to ' do this is very different I think " )A basic 'tomorrow we'll be looking at X player's replay is enough I think. (would be better if he updated the thread as often as he could so people would be aware >.< this show deserves much attention just for the level of analysis that artosis makes..) Edit: Of course, with this format there is always the danger of 'poor' games, but I think we can learn from pro's mistakes as well. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On February 28 2012 15:35 ReachTheSky wrote: Not like it hasn't happened between them so many times on SotG's pimp layout. Looks like Artosis is becoming the new day9 :D | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Protoss-Bah
74 Posts
If you cannot upload more content soon it's okay, rest a little aswell, travelling back and forth the globe cannot be all too easy. I'd love to see you streaming aswell as you did at Christmas. Damn you taught me a lot of Protoss! | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
It will definitly help my PvP out a lot watching it. | ||
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Roarchach
France1 Post
First thing to say: your passion of sc2, your on flight analysis, your terrible jokes, I LIKE THAT !!! omg, I like that, I like that , I like that , I like that , I like that !!!! So, keep going on! I have two ideas that may improve your (already) great new show! It is great to take some random replays of a given progamer and just comment it, focussing on important facts of the games. But, what do you think about taking a strat and explain (with some replays) why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, the following up to the strat and so on...? A very simple exemple: at MLG, and recently, we can see a lot of 6-pools comming from correen zergs in the PvZ matchup. So, you may just take the Nestea/Naniwa and the DRG/Naniwa replays and explain why the first one didn't succeed and why DRG's one seal the deal. OK in this small exemple the answer is relatively straight forward, but I'm sure you could find so much strats to work around. My second idea now. In your live casting at GSL, you often say "it is an upcomming strat on the correan ladder", "we saw it recently", etc.... So, Why aren't you show us those new ,crazy strats? Why are they created, what may be the counter, etc...? I know that it can be hard and require a lot of time to do this, but it should be really great. | ||
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gosuRabbit
United States15 Posts
I love these really thorough analysis'. Honestly some of the most important things are the little things =O. Thank you so much! | ||
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AnyLoss
29 Posts
Iv'e only watched 2 episodes,(I'm a bit late XD) but I think your show is awesome. You are right to the point and you are not afraid to say something is stupid. You talk about popular strats and what you have been seeing at GSL, which is a very interesting view point. I'm eager to see more! ♥ | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
cant wait to see some analysis from some of the MLG games | ||
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UmbraaeternuS
Chile476 Posts
Like I said, I hope everything's going great with your new house. See you tomorrow! <3 | ||
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Mormagil
35 Posts
Could you please at some point do an analysis of the Thorzain TvP from EG Master's Cup Mouz vs. Slayers? The super late game situations in game 3 vs. Alicia and game 2 vs. Crank were really cool. Spoon Tarren FTW! | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Pachwa
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Jlei
97 Posts
On March 07 2012 10:49 Pachwa wrote: Not sure if you take requests or not, but at some point can you break down MMA/Violet Game 2 from IEM Masters? MMA was every where at once and I am curious to see your thoughts on it. Thanks! Would like to see an analysis of a high level TvZ, specifically MMA or Gumiho. Unless you think they are just purely out multitasking their opponents rather than doing a lot of subtle smart things. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
PvP not my thing | ||
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iloveAthene
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unit
United States2621 Posts
nshsan: gg trololololol great analysis learning a good deal about dt styles | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
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idonthinksobro
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eisenhoward0
United States22 Posts
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
(Fuck Marauders) | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Keep the good work Dan ^^ | ||
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Zenthehunter
Bulgaria9 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
) Need more protoss tho! | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
so redundantdundant. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:07 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Any chance of an episode soon? ) Need more protoss tho!More toss? LOL | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Yeah more toss LOL | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
You mean ToD, HerO x2 and SaSe was not enough protoss? | ||
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Awoodcol
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
When you're analysing your own games, viewers really get a very deep insight into your thoughts and that was an amazing learning experience for me. | ||
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Shartugal
Denmark134 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
no news on his twitter but i wonder why he would cancel a show everybody seems to like. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On March 23 2012 03:50 idonthinksobro wrote: is the show cancled? no news on his twitter but i wonder why he would cancel a show everybody seems to like. where did u get cancelled from hes in the states now kinda hard to do the show | ||
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DoubleDare
Canada48 Posts
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:10 Linwelin wrote: You mean ToD, HerO x2 and SaSe was not enough protoss? Well, as a protoss player, obviously I would want more protoss. Use some logic? | ||
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OMGomg64
Afghanistan70 Posts
I guess having a new baby, being a super nerd baller celeb and smashing kids and taking their ladder points takes up a lot of time. :p | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On March 31 2012 19:13 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Well, as a protoss player, obviously I would want more protoss. Use some logic? Want =/= Need | ||
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United States10 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:10 Linwelin wrote: You mean ToD, HerO x2 and SaSe was not enough protoss? Moar toss plox!!! | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Well no shit, but obviously I wasn't using 'need' in the strictest sense of the word. | ||
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
On March 23 2012 03:52 ChuCky.Ca wrote: where did u get cancelled from hes in the states now kinda hard to do the show Artosis has a habit of starting shows and canceling them. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
On April 08 2012 13:21 svefnleysi wrote: Artosis has a habit of starting shows and canceling them. hes quite the busy travelling nerd | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On April 08 2012 13:54 Chriscras wrote: Let's be honest. It's probably not coming back T-T and this makes me very sad, the artosis hour is what the day9 daily used to be and what it should be now...the d9d has really lost all of its value to higher level players as he really only covers the basics again and again rather than what he used to do which was cover tons of different in depth strategies the decision making behind them and even the minor details of the builds that most people wouldn't notice...seriously we need more of that again, a truly indepth educational starcraft show the artosis hour was this but now it has sadly met the fate of anything artosis starts (other than his casting career...so far....nah he's a great caster ) | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
sad cuz i really enjoyed it, would have liked to see some more of it even if its just once a week. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:13 Sabu113 wrote: Well it doesn't have to be a daily thing to be awesome. If we got an artosis hour a week on a game or someone he thinks is interesting that would be pretty sweet. He has been traveling a lot and then, baby, you know. | ||
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UmbraaeternuS
Chile476 Posts
Hope to see you soon, Dan. Looking forward to the next Artosis Hour. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
If he says no, maybe just spam artosis untill he makes another episode? jk | ||
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Roope
United States5 Posts
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Samba
Germany452 Posts
I can´t watch all the youtube videos again... Really hoping he´s gonna find the time to make some more episodes. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:50 idonthinksobro wrote: somebody with a twitter should ask him if this show is canceled or if there will be more episodes in the future. If he says no, maybe just spam artosis untill he makes another episode? jk Well this is kind of a good idea. I think it's worth it letting him know we really like the show and wants him to continue making episodes. It might give him some motivation, for the off chance that's what's lacking. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
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TeslaTv
Norway31 Posts
I hope you settle in well in your new apartement, artosis, and I hope your back stronger than ever when you have the time for the Artosis hour! : D | ||
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Omri
Israel638 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 11 2012 11:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: artosis plz tell me what to think LOL Tyler trolling artosis fanboys XD we need the imbalanced show back!! I have no idea what's currently imbalanced anymore. Actually the game seems pretty balanced...but only with Artosis' help will I know for sure. :O | ||
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OMGomg64
Afghanistan70 Posts
On April 11 2012 11:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: artosis plz tell me what to think The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point. Great attitude. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:51 OMGomg64 wrote: The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point. Great attitude. :O!!!!!! OH NO YOU DIDN'T! *covers eyes as drama ensues* | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:51 OMGomg64 wrote: The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point. Great attitude. WOW YOU REALLY TOLD HIM ! ~_~ | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:51 OMGomg64 wrote: The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point. Great attitude. 36 post count. WATCH OUT WE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE. In other news, I really love this show Artosis and I hope you can bring it back at some point! | ||
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JeffS
Canada31 Posts
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:51 OMGomg64 wrote: The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point. Great attitude. This is an insult to Artosis more than it is to me. Artosis knows how to improve upon the best players in the world. You are implying that there's someone who couldn't benefit from Artosis's thoughts and that's just not the case. Even when I win an MLG I'll still be chatting with Artosis about the games at the afterparty. | ||
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_iMpuLse
United States6 Posts
I wish more casters would focus on discussing and understanding strategy as opposed to just explaining what's on the screen in front of them. It's like people get trapped in the Microsoft PowerPoint frame of thinking: show a slide, read exactly what's on it, and bore your audience to death. | ||
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feardragon
United States970 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:10 Liquid`NonY wrote: This is an insult to Artosis more than it is to me. Artosis knows how to improve upon the best players in the world. You are implying that there's someone who couldn't benefit from Artosis's thoughts and that's just not the case. Even when I win an MLG I'll still be chatting with Artosis about the games at the afterparty. I could be wrong but I thought he interpreted your post as being sarcastic and insulting to Artosis. This might be because of the way you phrased and spelled it. So when he said that you might be able to benefit from it, I don't think he was insulting you, I think he was actually praising Artosis in saying his advice is good for pro's as well. I'll admit I could just be having too much faith but life is a lot more fun when you live assuming people are being nicer rather than ruder. =] Nony fighting! P.S. Definitely want Artosis hour back! It was an incredibly insightful show and really changed the way I've done a lot of my play. | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
You should do one on Partings PvT style with 1gate expo -> 3gate + robo -> double forge+immortal -> third/ 2/2 / collosi THANKS! Edit: focus on drop defense would be awesome! :D | ||
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PinheadLarry
United States3 Posts
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AC3
Canada337 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:07 StrinterN wrote: You should do one on Partings PvT style with 1gate expo -> 3gate + robo -> double forge+immortal -> third/ 2/2 / collosi You mean something like this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=292549 | ||
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Mr.Ch4rms
Canada84 Posts
now that is a great attitude toi have. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
:D :D :D <3 | ||
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mahi29
United States235 Posts
Thanks for not saying "if" And seriously, behind HuK, you're the next player I really really want to win something major soon. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:20 Chriscras wrote: https://twitter.com/#!/Artosis/status/189924691111194625 :D :D :D <3 what? artosis isn't supposed to have a social life. | ||
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DoubleDare
Canada48 Posts
Right at the end Artosis announces that he will do some more episodes in May when he has less work! Woo woo can't wait ^^ | ||
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Awoodcol
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9] I will take high-level analysis of the kind Artosis provides over the overwhelmingly mud league-friendly musings of the Daily any day of the week. | ||
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9] Day[9] made his daily his career. Artosis is doing this on the side. And it is fantastic, so no bitching. | ||
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Haffi
Korea (North)49 Posts
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9] 90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful User was warned for this post | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:15 Haffi wrote: 90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful Someone's angry. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:15 Haffi wrote: 90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful It's sad how true this is. | ||
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UTL_Unlimited
Korea (South)353 Posts
He's from North Korea with internet access with 40 posts. Expect it. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:27 unit wrote: he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis *BluUuuAaRGHhhhhhh* Vomit.... People are seriously so fucking clueless. Anyway, I hunger for more artosis hour! | ||
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zuperketla
Norway212 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:15 Haffi wrote: 90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful come now, day9 is a staple of the community and has damn well done alot for it. Get your head out of your ass sir. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:26 mahi29 wrote: Thanks for not saying "if" And seriously, behind HuK, you're the next player I really really want to win something major soon. hes gotta walk the walk before talking the talk ^_~ | ||
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DeadBull
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UniquE.
Canada143 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:15 Haffi wrote: 90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful User was warned for this post EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:27 unit wrote: he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis Well the big thing to point out is that the majority of this community are not high level and not looking for high level analysis and instead learning ways to improve while laughing at day[9]... | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:49 UniquE. wrote: EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are. Being very active for the community does not make something wrong right, and doing nothing for the community does not make something right wrong. (not that I am actually agreeing with him) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24879 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:49 UniquE. wrote: EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are. That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own. Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it. I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions. | ||
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UniquE.
Canada143 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:59 Wombat_NI wrote: That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own. Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it. I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions. why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24879 Posts
On May 09 2012 05:04 UniquE. wrote: why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either... I don't mind Day9, I was defending somebody else's right to say they dislike his style. You mean 'good' feedback like 'oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.' right? | ||
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UniquE.
Canada143 Posts
On May 09 2012 05:05 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't mind Day9, I was defending somebody else's right to say they dislike his style. You mean 'good' feedback like 'oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.' right? talk dumb shit you get dumb shit back | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
Thats why we don't live in peace and harmony. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Awoodcol
14 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On May 19 2012 11:11 Awoodcol wrote: My comment was only regarding the dependability of Day9. Say what you will about his style, but I can't remember the last time he missed his daily timing. Personally, I'd take the Artosis hour on a semi-regular basis over any other commentary show, period. But just like his streaming, it seems as if the Artosis hour has seen it's last. TT Sad, I think Artosis is the only guy I can sit and watch stream for hours on end as a casual player. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:59 Wombat_NI wrote: That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own. Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it. I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions. I actually follow the Day9 Daily quite a bit, and I've found that he splits it quite evenly between advice that applies towards being a better competitive player (yes, Master's level included) and then advice for people who just like to play (and watch) for fun. If I want to learn a new build in TvZ or ZvP or PvX or anything, I'll sometimes turn to his show and look through the archives for something interesting, and then I can learn a build while having someone at GM level explain to me how and why it works. Likewise, if I just want some laughs, nothing's better than watching the Funday Monday and then trying out the challenge on the ladder to try and get a win with something crazy. And to be frank, no one has ever done a better job at explaining the basics of mechanics. Day9 shows techniques for how to practice them and implement them into your gameplay. That's just my 2 cents, but I definitely disagree that his show is only for casuals. He got me from Silver league to Masters, and that's after I'd played BW for nearly 10 years prior to touching Sc2. And now that I'm in Masters, I still use his daily's to help me improve, slowly but surely. However, I'm also a huge fan of Artosis, and I'm sad that I haven't seen his show or streams on in a while. Commentary + Gameplay is a better tool for my learning than just watching a stream, and very few people actually provide that. Artosis is a boss, and I hope he puts up more content in the future | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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Taktik
Poland680 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
I just really wish Artosis would have a consistent schedule for this, like 3 times a week or something. If you're reading this, Dan, we want moar "Artosis Hours." | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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honed
Canada482 Posts
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Fossa
United States67 Posts
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i)awn
United States189 Posts
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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s0uljah
Singapore143 Posts
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my0s
United States193 Posts
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On July 29 2012 20:23 my0s wrote: Didnt he say he was going to release a video on hotkeys a little bit ago, whatever happened to that? Babies | ||
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
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RampagePimp
United States29 Posts
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On July 30 2012 05:40 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Stop bumping the bloody thread please. Every time I see this I get excited and think there's a new episode out at last. Just happened to me too. My dreams have been crushed yet again. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
The Tasteless Minute. Get some producers on it, next big e-hit. | ||
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On July 30 2012 05:42 MrCash wrote: New show idea. The Tasteless Minute. Get some producers on it, next big e-hit. "hello, this is The Tasteless Minute, I'm fucking Tastless and this is what we're fucking talking about to-fucking-day" :D I'd watch it! | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
truly yours, your biggest fan | ||
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
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