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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:49 SimDawg wrote: HSC4 has sponsorships though. I'd be interested if those were included. What MLG is trying to get away from is reliance on VC. MLG has sponsorships, too. It's hidden, but if you look closely at the "Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream" it might give it away. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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War Horse
United States247 Posts
$15 gets you Code A and Code S, with many more matches (and better players). PPV works for stuff like boxing/MMA because you have get a bunch of guys over. Just doesn't seem worth the money to me compared to what I get for my money at the GSL | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:56 Broodwurst wrote: MLG has sponsorships, too. It's hidden, but if you look closely at the "Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream" it might give it away. Wait, there's no real doctor working for MLG? Well I for one am appalled by this discovery! :O All jokes aside, I guess what he meant was that by doing this they want to take a step away from being reliant on sponsorships that can just go away at any point in time so they can sustain their tournament themselves and not be affected by external problems so much. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:56 Broodwurst wrote: MLG has sponsorships, too. It's hidden, but if you look closely at the "Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream" it might give it away. HSC4 also had a premium stream option. I believe for 5 Euro you got an HD Stream + VoDs. Am I right? Lots of people purchased it cuz they actively wanted to support this unique tournament. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:40 TechSc2 wrote: So this means that a 1 person management runs a HUGE tournament with better production value without charging everyone $20 to even see it and still make a small margin off profit while every player/caster already made it out that there probably won't be a better quality and entertaining tournament anytime soon. tbh u cant call it 1 person management. thats a huge understatement and you should give credit where credit belongs. its not run by a company thats all. | ||
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CosmoK
339 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:56 syllogism wrote: You are right, I do remember something like that now that I think about it. Regardless, that was only a few people and certainly not on the scale mlg is doing. Yeah sure, but nobody asked MLG to do that. Most of the people would have come regardless. | ||
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
At this stage I feel like this was a real risky move. Yes, you have access to VODs for free later on which is great. How about the people who like watching the event live, but cannot be glued to their PC's/tablets/mobile phone for 20 hours for the weekend? You're not even getting the $20 worth. You need a price point to accommodate more than just the hardcores if you want to maximize profit, in my opinion. I'm a yuppie, so $20 isn't a big deal to me, but do I think I'm getting my money's worth? No, definitely not. Not at all. I understand that a lot of money/time/investment has gone into the new strategy, but I think a few steps were skipped on the staircase.. and now you're about to take a tumble.. ** EDIT ** + Show Spoiler + This is all John Nelson's fault :D | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On February 15 2012 03:50 Kuni wrote: Are none of the other good tournaments (Dreamhack, IPL etc) making any money? Because if it is only MLG, then there is something wrong that won't be fixed by PPV. Viewers will drop significantly with PPV. I wonder if less exposure is a good thing. Doubt it. All the big tournaments lose money. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Callobono
Norway57 Posts
Personaly i dont think 20 $ is that huge amount of money but i live in norway but still im not gona pay i might watch 5 hours of it i never managed to watch a whole mlg before anyway gets a bit to mutch to be watching 20 hours of sc2 in one weekend. Also i dont se how this helps getting new people watching sc2 id be really put of at least but i gues its trying to hit the more hardcore market. | ||
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:47 syllogism wrote: It was a small tournament with a relatively small prize pool and none of the players were flown in on take's money. He also had a lot of people volunteering for free. Don't get me wrong, I love the tournament, but that's just a dumb comparison So it means that Dennis made it happen where MLG failed, where is the comparison wrong? both do the same thing, present a top notch SC2 tournament. it seems you fail to see where it all boils down to, people that want to watch top notch players duke it out in a tournament setting with casters. HSC did exactly what was needed, the bare minimum to get a high production value and entertaining games, while keeping everything free for the community with premium access to goodies for the ones that wanted to. And i bet if i put up a poll off how many people would love to volunteer if they get food and lodge for the weekend as well as a reasonable time off to watch games, that the poll would be 90% yes i would do it. + Show Spoiler + MLG needs to loose some fat in the organisation. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
I`m very interested in Data to back this statement up. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:19 legaton wrote: Well, i guess we are just hearing the bubble pop Today's business model is just not sustainable. Costs in the e-sports industry and specially in SC2 are extremely high. To run a LAN, you must face a huge investment for the location of the hall (several thousands dollars, if not more, for an MLG sized event). But SC2 LAN are specially expensive because you truly have a globalized game, so someone (either the teams or the event organizers) has to pay a small fortune on plane tickets. You also need a lot of fairly new computers as you could run into graphic lag if you use PC with bad graphic cards, and you need a top of the notch internet connection as you depend on it to play the game. On the other hand, revenues are scarce. For a long time, the only sources of revenue were the entry fees of viewers (non existent on a closed door event as this one) and the ad revenue. Problem is the ad revenue is way smaller most people believe it is. Most events end up with red numbers, and huge event organizers are losing money. MLG only survives thanks to the gullibility of some venture capitalists that poured millions on a "booming" industry, but you can't ride for free forever. It is fair for them to try to cut their losses. Sadly, MLG is fucked over. The ppp system works for sports events because they have a total monopoly on some sports. In boxing or in the UFC, you either pay or you don't see anything. In Starcraft, a 1000 euros monthly cup as the MSI/Millenium tournament has a roster as good as MLG. This business model is bound to fail too. Bye bye SC2, it was nice knowing you. people ought to not use the word bubble when they have no idea what they're talking about. Also you provide alot of speculation with no citation whatsoever. MLG has been running for 10+ years, I doubt their previous ad-based model was constantly putting them in the red. Companies don't operate, even expand, on the basis of being red for so many years. So much for your speculations This isn't a case of "cutting your loses", its about attempting to use a new business model to achieve more profit. Simple as that. Nobody is dumb enough to "cut your loses" by paying tens of thousands of dollars ahead of time to fly everyone around the globe to NY, in addition to hire a huge list of expensive casters. Its an experimentation at the new model | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:58 zul wrote: HSC4 also had a premium stream option. I believe for 5 Euro you got an HD Stream + VoDs. Am I right? Lots of people purchased it cuz they actively wanted to support this unique tournament. And it was more than worth it. 5€ (6,5$?) was a really good number. It didnt scare anyone away, it helped sustain the event - just right. Plus, HSC is something really special, compared to MLG (Dreamhack, IEM, IGN.. Tons of that kind), which makes it even harder to justify 20 bucks for that. Its not that i dont want to pay (as i stated earlier, i will visit Cebit IEM WC, which is ~35€) - its that i honestly dont see why i should pay 20 bucks for a tournament which actually cant be as exciting as a dreamhack, or any tournament at all with a live crowd. Thats part of the excitement. If you remove that, better give me some huge compensation for that (like HSCs unique "feeling"), and if you dont.. Well. Assembly will rescue that weekend. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
I work Friday, go to barcraft Saturday; and in the past have enjoyed streaming MLG Sunday at home. Why is there no 1 day option? | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:01 Boblhead wrote: well hopefully MLG is honest about their viewers and don't inflate the stats. I'm guessing they will have anywhere from 5-10k 5 being the lowest 10 being the highest, but very doubtful on them even hitting 10k Considering many players are capable of pulling in 5-10k viewers on their streams I don't think MLG will have any problem hitting 10k viewers over 3 days. | ||
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SevenShots
Germany84 Posts
On February 15 2012 05:06 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: Why is there not a 1 day access option? I work Friday, go to barcraft Saturday; and in the past have enjoyed streaming MLG Sunday at home. Why is there no 1 day option? because YOU SHALL NOT PASS without paying 20$  | ||
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:56 syllogism wrote: You are right, I do remember something like that now that I think about it. Regardless, that was only a few people and certainly not on the scale mlg is doing. It´s the thought that counts. With 100.000$ Take could host 2-3 homestorycups, earn some money for a change, and everyone would have an awesome 4 days and even the weekend to enjoy esports at it´s finest. With the added crowd in the barcraft he also had an on-site audience which cheered for the players. It may not be an 1:1 comparison to the MLG arena, but we all want to see something great and fun, that´s what esports it all about. And that´s also something I am proud to support with my own hard earned money. | ||
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Ricemagical
270 Posts
On February 15 2012 05:08 serum321 wrote: Considering many players are capable of pulling in 5-10k viewers on their streams I don't think MLG will have any problem hitting 10k viewers over 3 days. There's a huge difference between the two. Players provide a free stream product whereas MLG is making viewers pay for it, not to mention theres going a tournament dishing practically the same product on the same weekend for free. | ||
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