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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Armaz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia29 Posts
February 14 2012 09:42 GMT
#2001
Guess I'll just watch Assembly and hope MLG gets the message when they have nobody watching in comparison.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
February 14 2012 09:43 GMT
#2002
Good luck to them but I honestly won't be bothered to pay when Assembly is the same day. The only thing I can hope for is this doesn't spur other organizations to try and adopt the same model. If consumers have to decide where to put there money between ESL/MLG/GSL I could see that being really detrimental to SC e-sports and in the end only one organization truly wins.

Remember this industry is still very, very young. Going PPV may end up doing far more harm than good. Remember CGS? No one wants that to happen again.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#2003
On February 14 2012 18:42 Armaz wrote:
Guess I'll just watch Assembly and hope MLG gets the message when they have nobody watching in comparison.

Unfortunately for you the message may just be that sc2 isn't worth investing much money into
eteran
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany83 Posts
February 14 2012 09:47 GMT
#2004
Want to test out how much you can rip off your customers, MLG? Fine, keep your stuff, there is more than enough free content floating. More than I, as a hardcore fan, could watch. I'm saying this as a gold membership subscriber and person who likes to support esports with my money, but this is going way too far.
[EMP]ArtOfWar
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany69 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 09:49:02
February 14 2012 09:47 GMT
#2005
Having a paid membership for almost a year now, I firstly want to say that this was very good invested money and I do not regret any cent of it for all MLG offered to premium viewers in there last events. I will keep this membership and keep on watching the MLGs that are available through it.

However, that I have to pay full price for a special tournament, not even get the slightest bonus for already paying for MLG every month, is just a pure ripoff and as like everyone in this thread before me stated already: They might get away with that on a weekend where there's nothing else going on, but not when big competition like Assembly is online aswell.

I seriously hope that they are doing this just to "tryout" how far they can squeeze the money cow.
And learn from it.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 14 2012 09:48 GMT
#2006
On February 14 2012 18:38 Avean wrote:
eSports is so new and small still that it isnt ready to become PPV.


eSports has been around for like nearly 10 years
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2012 09:48 GMT
#2007
On February 14 2012 18:47 [EMP]ArtOfWar wrote:
I sincerely hope that they are doing this just to "tryout" how far they can squeeze the money cow.
And learn from it.

How much profit do you think MLG has made out of sc2 so far? How much do you think they will?
Steinhein
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany7 Posts
February 14 2012 09:49 GMT
#2008
maybe would pay 5$ but never ever 20$ O_o
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
February 14 2012 09:49 GMT
#2009
There goes my money.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 14 2012 09:49 GMT
#2010
On February 14 2012 12:13 Kettchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:09 Proxee wrote:
It seems like all you people want esports to grow, but you don't want to help it? I have been following MLG since halo 2 and i will continue to support not just MLG and esports, But Sundance Digiovanni for everything he has done for esports. By not paying you are saying that esports shouldn't be taken seriously, and i understand that some people can't pay $20 for it, but you shouldn't take bad about MLG, they are trying to further esports and they need our help. Keep and open mind, and maybe one day esports can be as big as UFC.


I pay for tournaments that also have a free stream. That is supporting esports.

Paying for a tournament that will end up cutting off 90% of it's viewers is not supporting esports. I want more people to watch Starcraft, not less.


Well said, I totally agree. I dont see how esports would benefit from reducing the viewership by 90%, even if MLG makes a profit of it.

"Growing esports" means not only sc2, but the whole scene. What happens to esports if every major tournament of every game adopts this concept, charging 20$ for a weekend? Will ESPORTS grow?
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 14 2012 09:52 GMT
#2011
On February 14 2012 18:46 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 18:42 Armaz wrote:
Guess I'll just watch Assembly and hope MLG gets the message when they have nobody watching in comparison.

Unfortunately for you the message may just be that sc2 isn't worth investing much money into


Which would hopefully mean they would drop SC2. The other competing leagues (NASL/IPL) will be happy, But the ppl who will suffer will be the ones that love attending MLG's.

meh who cares SC2 Scene is already over saturated, it's about time one of the leagues will fall off or drop SC2.
Winterfrozz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden357 Posts
February 14 2012 09:52 GMT
#2012
Good now i can sleep better at night srsly who would pay that much for so little -_-
Jazzi!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 09:52:33
February 14 2012 09:52 GMT
#2013
There is one problem for MLG i see with all that.

A tourney with only 5-10k viewers has nowhere near the legitimacy or importance than a tournament with 50k+++ viewers. No matter the pricepool or anything else.
VectorX.raw
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany20 Posts
February 14 2012 09:53 GMT
#2014
Just woke up and read this stuff. I have to admit that there are several things i dont like about this:

I am organizing a Barcraft in Hamburg, Germany. We are not charging money for this stuff (and never want to) and the Bar does it for free, but now turns out that we (the organizers) have to spend 20$ to make this event available, while this is not that much money for us I really think that this will not really help Barcraft (even though MLG seems to approve Barcrafts and suggests to attend one if someone does not want to spend the money) in general. I also agree that it is a bit unfair to create a certain hype and now (while most Barcrafts are already organized) to give out this news.

We will show this stuff now anyway but i am not sure if I could decide next time if I want to show assembly or MLG at a Barcraft how the outcome would be. This also raises a concert about hot they will deal with Barcrafts in the near future because here in Germany it is MUCH more expensive to show PPV Events (e.g. soccer) in a public spot and i do not really like the idea to get into this stuff at this early stage of E-Sports.

I am not a MLG Gold member but i absolutely do not get why they are not giving out discounts because this might have let some people to get Gold passes.

Do not get me wrong i am a huge fan of MLG and the MLG Barcraft we did last time was absolutely awesome but the direction where this seems to lead is not got for MLG or SC2 or the community in general.

http://www.facebook.com/barcraft.hamburg
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
February 14 2012 09:53 GMT
#2015
hmz, personally 20 for a weekend ist just too much.. 5 would be appropriate imo
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 14 2012 09:54 GMT
#2016
One GSL or GSTL season I feel is more worth than a weekend with MLG, also cheaper. Also same weekend as Assembly, this won't go well for them.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
February 14 2012 09:55 GMT
#2017
i want a lq free stream, or else i won't watch and do something else. simple as that.
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
February 14 2012 09:55 GMT
#2018
Lol, of course I'll pay. I do think 20 dollars is quite high considering it actually only is for one weekend, but of course I'll pay. Anyone who doesn't just doesn't care enough about e-sports/SC2.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
February 14 2012 09:59 GMT
#2019
Would pay if there wasn't already over9000 starcraft2 to watch so i probably won't but it depends on my mood at the time. I hope MLG finds a successful model to continue forward with, i also hope this will include giving as many people as possible the opportunity to watch!
Muffel
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany137 Posts
February 14 2012 10:00 GMT
#2020
I dont understand the people who say "Well i think its to much but i will buy it anyways"
Everyone who buys the 20dollar pass is just telling mlg indirectly "Hey guys you can do that. you can take 20 bucks for a qualifier. "
they dont care if you dont like it as long as you pay.
so if you dont want the future with every big event (not just MLG) beeing 20dollar PPV, than buy it.
if this mlg arena with 20dollar is a success then every other major event will think about making their event ppv aswell.

well i think the idea of this was:
now nobody will complain about the extended series anymore! :D
Cox:"I suppose I could riff a list of things that I care as little about as our last week together. Lemme see, uhh [...] Oh! And Hugh Jackman." J.D.: Hugh Jackman's Wolverine! How dare he.
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