Hello, we are the Korean professional Starcraft 2 team, ZeNEX. ZeNEX has a long history in Starcraft 2 creating and raising the best talent in the entire Korean scene, starting all the way in the beta of Starcraft 2.
As a team are currently looking to expand our operations and thus looking for new sponsorships and partnerships. If you are looking for more information on us, you can find more information at our Liquipedia page http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX Many of today's top players in Korea started with us, and even today we have some of the hottest up and coming talent in Korea on our team.
Our team done well in tournaments such as the GTSL, placing high as 3rd place. On top of that we have a great system for finding up and coming talent within Korea to make sure our roster always stays in top shape.
If you would like more information, or are interested in a partnership please feel free to contact me via E-Mail or MSN Messenger at: vwon21@naver.com. With a proper partnerships and sponsorship's, we feel that ZeNEX can truly show it's full potential and continue it's tradition of being one of the very premiere Korean teams.
ZeNEX is a team formed in the early release of SC2 as result of a merger between clans Zenith and NEX. Using the resources that the merging of the two clans allowed us, we went on to become one of the top teams in Starcraft 2 in Korea. Former ZeNEX players now populate almost every Korean SC2 team such as SlayerS, Prime, Startale, MvP, oGs, and more!
Having such a long history has helped us push the limits of the scene and learn to have some of the best talent scouting on the scene. Our highlight moment was taking 3rd place overall in the Feburary GTSL, prevailing over SlayerS. Since then we have gone on to remain one of the strongest rosters in Korea, despite the overall lack of resources.
We currently participate in many online tournaments as well as the GSL. Any team or organization that partners or sponsors us would be able to receive great promotional support, as well as the prestige that comes with working with one of the top Korean teams in all of Starcraft 2.
mod edit:
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
This is really sad. ZeNex is actually one of the best teams so far in SC2 in producing talent. They made Coca, Byun, and Puzzle, all three players who are high Code S caliber. If they really did have a sponsor, I'm sure they would become a strong team if they could keep their stars.
good luck ZeNEX one of my fav teams when Byun was in Code S, and Puzzle+CoCa were dubbed as up and coming stars... wish they get sponsors soon...such good talent in their team
This is actually kinda sad. Trying to make business deals over an internet forum? Usually these kinds of posts are made by low GM players trying to get people to notice their stream, not a professional team participating in the GSTL. To be quite honest it makes me wonder if the Zenex managers actually know what they're doing.
Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Yeah this will go well, they will pick up some forigner, make him good, and then he will get poached by slayers. Its a winning formula
Hopefully they can hold on to some good players and make a run at a team league, that would be a cool story if they went from losing so many players to winning anyway
I hope this goes al well for you! Just be a bit catious about which team you decide to maybe partner up with (like I need to tell you that lol). There seams to be alot of ambitious deals out there for many teams but a decent amount seams to backfire as well.
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
With all due respect to TL, of course.
With all due respect, moderation (of any kind, including a forum) isn't about following rules to the letter.
That said, I'm a bit sad that zenex has to resort to things like this. I really hope they get sponsored because they've produced amazing players in the past and being able to 4-5 oGs (which as a team has infinitely more resources) is no small feat.
It's in the best interest of a waning Korean SC2 scene that the thread stays so interested parties hopefully see it. I don't know why anyone would want the thread removed. Why do you want to kick ESPORTS while it's down? What did it ever do to you?
Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
This would get removed under any consistent moderation policy but it's ZeNex so
Hope you find a sponsor, or else everyone in ZeNex team finds a new home.
You should approach the foreign teams without a Korean partnership and offer them Korean access (teamhouse, exposure, business advice) in exchange for the money they can provide and the ability to send ZeNex players to foreign tournaments or online where they can get some exposure (since few are in the GSL) and eventually attract sponsorship on merit.
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
TL.net is the land of reasonable decisions and looking at each case on its own.
Zenex is in a bad situation and they're merely looking for contacts more than anything else, it's perfectly sensible to leave the thread open imo.
Yeah, ZeNEX has put out some of the best talent out in SC2 right now.. If they had a stable sponsor I'm sure they'd be able to crank out some monsters (and not lose them to other teams lol.)
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
I would think if all players stream their games, learn english and start catering to the foreign community by playing on the NA gateway (casting sessions, Q&A, team apparel sales) and foreign online cups that that in itself (+ donations) would be enough to support the team.
These partnerships with korean teams doesnt seem to last very long. Better get a korean/english speaking Team Manager.
On February 04 2012 01:46 Fionn wrote: This is really sad. ZeNex is actually one of the best teams so far in SC2 in producing talent. They made Coca, Byun, and Puzzle, all three players who are high Code S caliber. If they really did have a sponsor, I'm sure they would become a strong team if they could keep their stars.
They made Taeja too, which trumps atleast Coca and Byun. Talent-wise, I'd say that guy is worth more than puzzle too.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
How is ZeNEX a big team? They've got no sponsorship, having established themselves as one the major Koreans teams through hard work (training players that would eventually get far in the GSL), just keeping afloat by themselves. I do believe they deserve different treatment, like a senior forum member for instance, because of their accomplishments without financial support to speak of.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
I don't think that it will be based on them just being Korean/pro. It will be based on the quality of players they have been putting out and the quality of games they produce. ZeNex players are very active and the team itself joins a lot of team leagues that other teams have decided are beneath them.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
LOL
That was the rejoinder of the day -- and that includes the Elizabethan translations of the Korean pro balance discussion.
If anyone on Zenex can read this, here is a bit of an idea.
At the moment us in the Western scene don't really know the inner workings of a Korean teamhouse. We know their are coaches, in house customs and very little living space but thats about it. If you threw open Zenex to the foreign community by streaming a lot as a team, doing some in house video content (even if its in Korean, we are well used to consuming content that we might not truly understand). Give foreign fans an opportunity to see your team in action or play some 1v1s on special occasions. Maybe if you can make fans by showing everyone how hard everyone works and the passion that you have for SC2 then you can attract some sponsors
Bullet point form:
- Get many players to stream regularly - Stream the house through a webcam 24/7 (like Reign: http://www.twitch.tv/ipl_reigncam1) - Do fan interaction games (maybe once a month?) - Do videos of when your players play in GSL (like Avenge, who beat IdrA, would have been nice to get a reaction from him after he got back to the house) - Do a video of everytime you play GSTL (for team reaction when win/lose, picks etc etc)
If you can do that, you put yourselves head and shoulders above all Korean teams for content and interaction and over foreign teams as well! That would make you a good pickup for any sponsor!
On February 04 2012 02:06 red4ce wrote: This is actually kinda sad. Trying to make business deals over an internet forum? Usually these kinds of posts are made by low GM players trying to get people to notice their stream, not a professional team participating in the GSTL. To be quite honest it makes me wonder if the Zenex managers actually know what they're doing.
I am kind of sure, that "professional team" does not apply at all to most korean teams. At least not from a buisness standpoint, if you look at Western teams, which many of then exist since 1995 (Quake era), you can see how you develope a "professional team". It means you get money into the team. I do not see "money" in korean teams ...
This can't be serious can it. Guess the situation is desperate if it has come to this. Makes me think there's kids playing dress up behind the scenes and things are way over their heads now.
Kinda reminds me of my public clan days in counterstrike, asking on forums to join a team haha.
On February 04 2012 03:21 Klonere wrote: If anyone on Zenex can read this, here is a bit of an idea.
At the moment us in the Western scene don't really know the inner workings of a Korean teamhouse. We know their are coaches, in house customs and very little living space but thats about it. If you threw open Zenex to the foreign community by streaming a lot as a team, doing some in house video content (even if its in Korean, we are well used to consuming content that we might not truly understand). Give foreign fans an opportunity to see your team in action or play some 1v1s on special occasions. Maybe if you can make fans by showing everyone how hard everyone works and the passion that you have for SC2 then you can attract some sponsors
Bullet point form:
- Get many players to stream regularly - Stream the house through a webcam 24/7 (like Reign: http://www.twitch.tv/ipl_reigncam1) - Do fan interaction games (maybe once a month?) - Do videos of when your players play in GSL (like Avenge, who beat IdrA, would have been nice to get a reaction from him after he got back to the house) - Do a video of everytime you play GSTL (for team reaction when win/lose, picks etc etc)
If you can do that, you put yourselves head and shoulders above all Korean teams for content and interaction and over foreign teams as well! That would make you a good pickup for any sponsor!
Don't die Zenex T_T -
Listen to this guy! That sounds really good. That kind of content would be very appreciated by the foreign fans, and I don't think they would need a lot of money or logistic to do it.
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
With all due respect to TL, of course.
wow you couldn't be more stupid. shitting on TL then saying "with all due respect". seriously... I hope you are perma-banned, your posts are always terrible.
I don't see what's wrong with a high level korean team looking for sponsors/deals here. they are not selling anything or making money from TL. anyway, it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do.
On February 04 2012 03:21 Klonere wrote: If anyone on Zenex can read this, here is a bit of an idea.
At the moment us in the Western scene don't really know the inner workings of a Korean teamhouse. We know their are coaches, in house customs and very little living space but thats about it. If you threw open Zenex to the foreign community by streaming a lot as a team, doing some in house video content (even if its in Korean, we are well used to consuming content that we might not truly understand). Give foreign fans an opportunity to see your team in action or play some 1v1s on special occasions. Maybe if you can make fans by showing everyone how hard everyone works and the passion that you have for SC2 then you can attract some sponsors
Bullet point form:
- Get many players to stream regularly - Stream the house through a webcam 24/7 (like Reign: http://www.twitch.tv/ipl_reigncam1) - Do fan interaction games (maybe once a month?) - Do videos of when your players play in GSL (like Avenge, who beat IdrA, would have been nice to get a reaction from him after he got back to the house) - Do a video of everytime you play GSTL (for team reaction when win/lose, picks etc etc)
If you can do that, you put yourselves head and shoulders above all Korean teams for content and interaction and over foreign teams as well! That would make you a good pickup for any sponsor!
Don't die Zenex T_T -
I hope someone from Zenex gets to read this. Some good ideas here imo.
Even considering the state that Zenex is in right now, it is still a legitimate Korean team which imo makes it interesting. We don't get nearly enough out-of-game content from the Korean scene right now.
I really hope Zenex is able to get a good deal. Looking at the list of former players, it's actually incredible how much talent they have managed to foster. Talent that has now left for other teams. Players like Genius, Taeja, Puzzle, CoCa and Byun are examples of the fact that Zenex at least knows how to develop good players.
On February 04 2012 01:46 Fionn wrote: This is really sad. ZeNex is actually one of the best teams so far in SC2 in producing talent. They made Coca, Byun, and Puzzle, all three players who are high Code S caliber. If they really did have a sponsor, I'm sure they would become a strong team if they could keep their stars.
Was cheering for Zenex the other day in the team league... they looked better than NS HoSeo did today at least. :p
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
With all due respect to TL, of course.
wow you couldn't be more stupid. shitting on TL then saying "with all due respect". seriously... I hope you are perma-banned, your posts are always terrible.
I don't see what's wrong with a high level korean team looking for sponsors/deals here. they are not selling anything or making money from TL. anyway, it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do.
LOL, judging someone's post and saying they should be perma banned then following up that statement with "it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do" You seem like a very logical thinker.
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
With all due respect to TL, of course.
wow you couldn't be more stupid. shitting on TL then saying "with all due respect". seriously... I hope you are perma-banned, your posts are always terrible.
I don't see what's wrong with a high level korean team looking for sponsors/deals here. they are not selling anything or making money from TL. anyway, it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do.
LOL, judging someone's post and saying they should be perma banned then following up that statement with "it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do" You seem like a very logical thinker.
He said he *hoped* he would, you don't seem like a very good reader.
On February 04 2012 02:06 red4ce wrote: This is actually kinda sad. Trying to make business deals over an internet forum? Usually these kinds of posts are made by low GM players trying to get people to notice their stream, not a professional team participating in the GSTL. To be quite honest it makes me wonder if the Zenex managers actually know what they're doing.
I am kind of sure, that "professional team" does not apply at all to most korean teams. At least not from a buisness standpoint, if you look at Western teams, which many of then exist since 1995 (Quake era), you can see how you develope a "professional team". It means you get money into the team. I do not see "money" in korean teams ...
Might be true for the sc2 teams but the brood war teams definitely know what they are doing.
On February 04 2012 02:11 Xeris wrote: Wonder if this thread will stay open for long. Definitely feel for Zenex, but also if some non Korean team tried to use TL to acquire sponsorship I don't think the mod staff would stand for it.
Dude, TL.net is the land of double standards. Especially when it comes to mod regulation and who gets to do what. Why would they start playing fair now?
With all due respect to TL, of course.
wow you couldn't be more stupid. shitting on TL then saying "with all due respect". seriously... I hope you are perma-banned, your posts are always terrible.
I don't see what's wrong with a high level korean team looking for sponsors/deals here. they are not selling anything or making money from TL. anyway, it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do.
LOL, judging someone's post and saying they should be perma banned then following up that statement with "it's not our job to judge it, let the admins do what they are supposed to do" You seem like a very logical thinker.
He said he *hoped* he would, you don't seem like a very good reader.
Hope and should are not very distinguishable words in this case. In this context they can be used interchangably because both words imply a desirable outcome of the other person being banned. so........
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
On February 04 2012 01:46 Fionn wrote: This is really sad. ZeNex is actually one of the best teams so far in SC2 in producing talent. They made Coca, Byun, and Puzzle, all three players who are high Code S caliber. If they really did have a sponsor, I'm sure they would become a strong team if they could keep their stars.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
So much win here.
I was about to type something up but it looks like it's already been said. Good work floor exercise.
Well, if they're going to keep it on here, at least have one of the mods or editors come along and clean up the message. I wouldn't blame anyone for not taking this seriously had they not known what ZeNEX is about.
I believe former fOu was in very similar situation. Only difference is that they were lucky to meet fxo. I think BW pro team should consider to acquire teams like zenex, tsl. Foreign team connection is all good but their market stages are just different.
Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you are curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
On February 04 2012 04:59 dabom88 wrote: Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
talented partnerships => talent partnerships? team partnerships? obtain synergy => work together
On February 04 2012 04:59 dabom88 wrote: Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
talented partnerships => talent partnerships? team partnerships? obtain synergy => work together
Might be hard to promote synergy when you can't keep your players housed and fed though. Don't know the situation, but I'm sure all teams need money no matter what.
On February 04 2012 04:59 dabom88 wrote: Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you are curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
On February 04 2012 04:59 dabom88 wrote: Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you are curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
If you're going to try and make analogies, I guess it would be beneficial to fix it up a bit to be more accurate. It's basically saying: "small teams, you don't matter unless you've got something to show for". Zenex is a small team. They're not big. They've produced big players. That they've done so with figuratively zero support/resources suggests they deserve more slack than a small North American team with no accomplishments or rapport.
Simplistic comparisons aren't very helpful in this case. You can't dumb it down to "well you gotta either let everyone/every team make threads similar to this, or let no one do so". It's not a black & white issue
On February 04 2012 04:59 dabom88 wrote: Hello, we are the progaming team "ZeNEX". We are currently looking for various talented partnerships and sponsors. If you curious about or interested in the ZeNEX team, you can get information on our homepage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZeNEX. We are in the process of acquiring many talented progamers, and if we get a partnership, we can obtain synergy and become a much better team.
There, cleaned it up. Someone get a mod or something to edit it. No idea about the part about "obtaining synergy" though.
talented partnerships => talent partnerships? team partnerships? obtain synergy => work together
Might be hard to promote synergy when you can't keep your players housed and fed though. Don't know the situation, but I'm sure all teams need money no matter what.
No I'm trying to suggest better English phrasing for what they want to say, like the post I quoted.
Hm.. I mean Mouz would be more likely to partner with NSHS if anything.. Maybe Fnatic if they really wanted to, but I doubt it due to their beastly pick ups as of late. FXO, EG, TL, Col are all partnered. It's going to be tough.
On February 04 2012 03:21 Klonere wrote: If anyone on Zenex can read this, here is a bit of an idea.
At the moment us in the Western scene don't really know the inner workings of a Korean teamhouse. We know their are coaches, in house customs and very little living space but thats about it. If you threw open Zenex to the foreign community by streaming a lot as a team, doing some in house video content (even if its in Korean, we are well used to consuming content that we might not truly understand). Give foreign fans an opportunity to see your team in action or play some 1v1s on special occasions. Maybe if you can make fans by showing everyone how hard everyone works and the passion that you have for SC2 then you can attract some sponsors
Bullet point form:
- Get many players to stream regularly - Stream the house through a webcam 24/7 (like Reign: http://www.twitch.tv/ipl_reigncam1) - Do fan interaction games (maybe once a month?) - Do videos of when your players play in GSL (like Avenge, who beat IdrA, would have been nice to get a reaction from him after he got back to the house) - Do a video of everytime you play GSTL (for team reaction when win/lose, picks etc etc)
If you can do that, you put yourselves head and shoulders above all Korean teams for content and interaction and over foreign teams as well! That would make you a good pickup for any sponsor!
Don't die Zenex T_T -
I want to highlight those ideas too. Most of them are very good.
Of course, a bit of video editing with subtitles would be great, but probably too time consuming.
I'll give you one example of the reasons why I would follow the stream of someone (because this is the only way I can see of making some cash, apart from lessons). Today, I read the MLG results. + Show Spoiler +
And when I saw that merz qualified, for one second, I was "Shit, who is this no-name?" before I remembered that I had read a very long text about him. I was moved at that time, and I really started to root for him. And if his name pops on the "Live stream" tab, you can bet I'd click on it.
So, provide us a reason to care for you, and we will!
pretty sad that some of the top teams in korea are still lacking sponoring, but i guess that's normal considering sc2 sort of "failed" in korea. atleast it didn't take over scbw. maybe it will with Hots, i hope so.
If I was a millionaire I would seriously consider buying this team, because it would be awesome to have my own programing team, without having to start from scratch.. some of these guys are really good like NexLine!
I really hope you guys get some kind of sponsorship. ZeNEX has really talented players but they don't have the money to send them to foreign events to spread their popularity, and other teams provide more benefits because they make more money which is why many players of theirs leave.
On February 04 2012 06:10 tDKyou wrote: Hmm, I have a feeling there might be a coL-ZeNEX merger lol. CoL seems to have a bank and needs some firepower that isn't from MvP.
On February 04 2012 06:10 tDKyou wrote: Hmm, I have a feeling there might be a coL-ZeNEX merger lol. CoL seems to have a bank and needs some firepower that isn't from MvP.
Why would they want to replace MVP with ZeNEX? :S
Oh, I was thinking more along the line of an FXO merger instead of a partnership lol.
If I were a rich man I would shower ZeNEX with money. As it is, their best bet seems to be learning how to market themselves. They really need to put themselves out there whether it is through interviews, blogs, contests, whatever. The more people know about ZeNEX and the great players they produce the better, and I know of no way to attract attention than to offer content people will want to consume.
On February 04 2012 05:17 SniXSniPe wrote: They should just make all their players stream.
Easy way to get a little bit of money, as we know Korean streamers tend to pull viewers easily enough.
This, i never saw Zenex playe stream, i admit im not to active on checking stream but i saw ST, IM , slayers ... etc player stream a few times
I remember a period of about a month where zenexbyun and hack regularly streamed with coca and puzzle streaming every once in while (puzzle streamed like 18 hours in a day at one point) but I guess they stopped after those players got snatched.
On February 04 2012 05:17 SniXSniPe wrote: They should just make all their players stream.
Easy way to get a little bit of money, as we know Korean streamers tend to pull viewers easily enough.
This, i never saw Zenex playe stream, i admit im not to active on checking stream but i saw ST, IM , slayers ... etc player stream a few times
Actually, Zenex was one of the first team to have their players stream, it was a long time ago but byun, hack and puzzle streamed for a bit (well the guy over me said it, and I forgot coca)
They should maybe start again but many good players have not a lot of viewers for some reasons
As people have mentioned earlier, you need to make lots of content. Streaming, Videos, Pictures. I'd suggest you ask if someone who knows english and korean well can help you and run an official facebook site for you where you can upload pictures of various team events, videos and updates. A good example for you guys would be something like the SlayerS facebook, with pictures of them playing football, eating together, and ryungs pictures of MMA. If you produce interesting/funny content you will probably be able to reach the mass, and by them reach the sponsors.
I hope this doesn't come off as rude but I think ZeNex needs to employ someone who has a better grasp of the English language to do their posts. Obviously everything was perfectly understandable but Team Liquid forum members aren't exactly the target audience if you're trying to obtain legitimate sponsors. The OP with it's broken English would be a huge turnoff if I were a sponsor. Again, I understand many people don't have extensive educations in English but ZeNex is obviously looking for a foreign sponsor (or they wouldnt have posted here) so they should try and find someone who can communicate professionally.
Good Luck ZeNex, I hope you guys regain some of your former strength !
Koreans aren't good at getting viewers though. Even the Koreans who are 100x better than our streamers get 1/10th the viewers because they don't say goofy or obnoxious things. Its sad the sorts of things that must people look for in a stream to watch
On February 04 2012 06:42 Mohdoo wrote: Koreans aren't good at getting viewers though. Even the Koreans who are 100x better than our streamers get 1/10th the viewers because they don't say goofy or obnoxious things. Its sad the sorts of things that must people look for in a stream to watch
It's because they don't interact with the chat and run 3 commercials in a row as often as possible. Polt and Dragon get a minimum of 2k viewers whenever they are on. Dragon is definitely goofy and that certainly helps draw viewers but Polt isn't really goofy, he just actually responds and chats to the viewers. People are looking for entertainment as much as for skill in a stream. Remember, not everyone watching streams is aspiring to be a pro.
On February 04 2012 06:30 SupLilSon wrote: I hope this doesn't come off as rude but I think ZeNex needs to employ someone who has a better grasp of the English language to do their posts. Obviously everything was perfectly understandable but Team Liquid forum members aren't exactly the target audience if you're trying to obtain legitimate sponsors. The OP with it's broken English would be a huge turnoff if I were a sponsor.
Do you really think a team that has to do these kinds of posts is in a position to employ somebody just to write things in proper English for them?
Since so many western sponsors proclaim to have a boundless passion and undying love for esports, I'm sure they're willing to overlook the quality of the post and pitch right in. + Show Spoiler +
This image has done so much good for Zenex. Sure, it's all meant to be humourous, but the image has spread through the community and TL like a epidemic. Before, people thinking of Zenex might have gone, "who?" or "Wasn't that Puzzle, Coca and Byun's old team?" But now, they think of Zenex as the team with the ripped asian guy, huge sunglasses guy, and the badass team captain that is too badass to stand facing the camera, instead standing perpendicular because he is too badass. Badass
What I am saying is that there have been a lot of posts in this thread about people wanting to donate money to, or sponsor Zenex. What about a community-owned team? If reddit can afford to send MKP to MLG Orlando, and ONOG can afford to run a 3k tournament, is it not possible for the community to sponsor Zenex through donations? As a community funded team, Zenex would have a greater obligation to its fans/owners.
Of course, there is the problem of maintaining sponsorship and keeping the community invested, as well as how much control to give the community over the team, etc.
Well, good luck, but it's a seeming monstrous task to crawl out of such a hole. Zenex has hardly any talent anymore, and clearly is hurting for aid. While they may have fallen out of favor, it would be interesting to see them back in form soon.
Of course, there is the problem of maintaining sponsorship and keeping the community invested, as well as how much control to give the community over the team, etc.
Ignoring all else, I don't think a player could live on less than $5,000 (super lowballed and ignoring all other costs) even in a Korean teamhouse environment. If Zenex is to have 10 active players, a coach, and a manager the "community" would need to raise a LOT of money every year.
On February 04 2012 02:33 Trowa127 wrote: Its ridiculous to even consider removing this thread. Most teams who advertise like this are no name start ups, Zenex has a really great roster and has produced code s level players on basically zero resources. Cut them some slack.
And good luck Zenex.
No offense, but just because Zenex is a pro team in Korean doesn't mean they should be accorded different treatment. That's basically saying "small teams, you don't matter."
Maybe they've earned it, like a cushy seat at a Major League Gaming event.
On February 04 2012 08:46 DropTester wrote: I hope zenex does get some sponsors though, they used to have some great players but couldn't really compete financially with the other teams?
I think that was the problem, could also be the same problem as TSL though (The coach being weird). The reason i think about that this might be reason is that incident that happened sometime ago where the ZeNEX coach accused SlayerS for stealing Puzzle or something like that?
Yay this is back up! Thanks for reopening it mods. I usually dislike these advertisement threads, but ZeNEX is a team I think deserves better than what they have right now. I also created a post on r/starcraft to possibly give them more exposure, you guys can upvote it if you want.
On February 04 2012 08:46 DropTester wrote: I hope zenex does get some sponsors though, they used to have some great players but couldn't really compete financially with the other teams?
I think that was the problem, could also be the same problem as TSL though (The coach being weird). The reason i think about that this might be reason is that incident that happened sometime ago where the ZeNEX coach accused SlayerS for stealing Puzzle or something like that?
I think that was coca, zenex's owner called out SlayerS on twitter over it when coca's transfer was announced and he and jessica (Who else) had a massive row over it.
after seeing this I feel for ZeNEX, they have produced some very good players but can't keep them because there cant compete with other teams who have sponsors
From my understanding, ZENEX doesn't have a team house. In order to help them keep up with the rest of the playing field, it would take a significant investment. I don't see donation as being very helpful in this one.
On February 04 2012 08:59 FXOBoSs wrote: From my understanding, ZENEX doesn't have a team house. In order to help them keep up with the rest of the playing field, it would take a significant investment. I don't see donation as being very helpful in this one.
On February 04 2012 08:59 FXOBoSs wrote: From my understanding, ZENEX doesn't have a team house. In order to help them keep up with the rest of the playing field, it would take a significant investment. I don't see donation as being very helpful in this one.
On February 04 2012 08:59 FXOBoSs wrote: From my understanding, ZENEX doesn't have a team house. In order to help them keep up with the rest of the playing field, it would take a significant investment. I don't see donation as being very helpful in this one.
why dont you guys buy out a couple more players
I might have money. But I don't over spend... We are spent as much as possible right now.
But community can't save every team.
And if the community saves zenex, who is next? Its unfortunate, but I can assure you this is not the last time this type of thing will come up.
On February 04 2012 08:59 FXOBoSs wrote: From my understanding, ZENEX doesn't have a team house. In order to help them keep up with the rest of the playing field, it would take a significant investment. I don't see donation as being very helpful in this one.
why dont you guys buy out a couple more players
I might have money. But I don't over spend... We are spent as much as possible right now.
But community can't save every team.
And if the community saves zenex, who is next? Its unfortunate, but I can assure you this is not the last time this type of thing will come up.
Obviously, teams must find a way to stabilize , you can't rely on the same people or the community, that won't work
All the best, Team ZeNEX! Would be a shame if such a promising team that has spawned many talents had to shut down due to not finding a sponsor. ZeNEXavenge and ZeNEXtreme did extremely well recently in the GSTL.
On February 04 2012 10:20 MrBitter wrote: Honestly I'm a little surprised TL's allowing this one to stay open. Feels like its in violation of a couple of the commandments.
hotbid did close it, but looks like the mods re-opened it.
On February 04 2012 10:20 MrBitter wrote: Honestly I'm a little surprised TL's allowing this one to stay open. Feels like its in violation of a couple of the commandments.
it was closed by Hot_Bid (his post got deleted) but reopened again. I'm surprised more people haven't noticed this.
On February 04 2012 10:20 MrBitter wrote: Honestly I'm a little surprised TL's allowing this one to stay open. Feels like its in violation of a couple of the commandments.
gotta give more privileges to a pro korean team. ya know?
On February 04 2012 09:58 courtpanda wrote: its a vicious cycle. they cant keep good players because they dont have sponsors, and they cant get sponsors because they dont have good players.
No its not. They HAD good players. Thus they should have been able to get sponsors but for OTHER reasons they couldn't.
On February 04 2012 10:20 MrBitter wrote: Honestly I'm a little surprised TL's allowing this one to stay open. Feels like its in violation of a couple of the commandments.
hotbid did close it, but looks like themods re-opened it.
It's probably because ZeNEX isn't a small team trying to get their name out there by linking their website and stuff. ZeNEX fields great players and compete in GSL and GSTL. They're obviously pretty desperate for sponsors or a partnership, and this is basically the only site besides reddit that could potentially hook them up with a foreign sponsor or team.
On February 04 2012 09:58 courtpanda wrote: its a vicious cycle. they cant keep good players because they dont have sponsors, and they cant get sponsors because they dont have good players.
No its not. They HAD good players. Thus they should have been able to get sponsors but for OTHER reasons they couldn't.
They still have a more talented team than the vast majority of the foreign community. How many foreign team could really push oGs to a 9th game?
Life/Line/Extreme are all pretty decent players, and I'm sure they have other hidden gems? (Cutter!)
I really really hope something cool can happen for ZeNEX. The potential return is quite large, I think. They play in GSTL and they likely don't need much money. It would be a risk, but if they had support to keep the talent they produce...
Imagine if ZeNEX still had Puzzle, CoCa and Byun. They'd be a really strong team. If they had a sponsor, they probably would still have these guys.
And out of all the teams, they're probably the easiest to "absorb", if you will. Their name is the combination of two clans, not representing a real "team name" I feel unlike others (kinda like MVP, but they obviously wanted to stay MVP or they would have become coL).
I dunno. It's just sad, and depending on what happens with the BW players, ZeNEX has a real threat of disappearing...
On February 04 2012 10:40 Ruscour wrote: I really really hope something cool can happen for ZeNEX. The potential return is quite large, I think. They play in GSTL and they likely don't need much money. It would be a risk, but if they had support to keep the talent they produce...
Imagine if ZeNEX still had Puzzle, CoCa and Byun. They'd be a really strong team. If they had a sponsor, they probably would still have these guys.
And out of all the teams, they're probably the easiest to "absorb", if you will. Their name is the combination of two clans, not representing a real "team name" I feel unlike others (kinda like MVP, but they obviously wanted to stay MVP or they would have become coL).
I dunno. It's just sad, and depending on what happens with the BW players, ZeNEX has a real threat of disappearing...
well to be 'fair' to the situation. the western scene has been reaching out to korean teams for over a year now, bending over backwards to bring them to leagues or teams or whatever. they get invited to team leagues? send out their b team. they get invited to nasl (who also offer to basically go halves on travel costs) they turn to 'sc2con' to say nope, cba. mlg gave a really lopsided deal with the player exchange, giving basically free top 20 (they were expected to get instant top 8) compared to code a in return. then you look at the only none gsl run league in korea? put forward and managed by esv rather than any koreans stepping up.
the korean teams that formed at the start of the game have been disintrested or just plain lazy since day 1. its a bit much to hope to pull on fxo's heart strings to buy them out to save the day. i would be shocked if 6 months ago zenex wasnt turning down partnerships from multiple teams...
On February 04 2012 11:39 QxGRockEr wrote: Wow impressive. And not at the same time. So many gosu players from ZenEX have come and gone! Who do they still have Life and who else?
I wonder if this is really them... If so, I can't help but feel sorry for ZeNEX pandering on a TL forum for sponsors. Looks ridiculously unprofessional to say the very least.
Though I wish them the best, I'd be surprised if even a single sponsor would take a team like this seriously.
So tl is not only our gateway to korea but also the koreans gateway to the world. Wondering if the post is autotranslated. Maybe the guy just wants a list of mail adresses of potentially interested teamleader because he cant navigate through the team sites (language barrier)
Zenex, you should find someone who can speak korean and english correctly, so you can register all your players in all NA playem tournaments, or ZOTAC or everything like that. Should bring you some money.
On February 05 2012 04:21 silyaznfoo wrote: this seems fake...
indeed
It's not, I checked the email provided and it matches the ZeNEX coach's email. Also having spoke with him many times, this is pretty spot on for his English.
On February 05 2012 04:21 madmandrit wrote: Isn't this unprofessional?? I mean I wish them luck and all but really?
what would you like more? finding sponsors for zenex with this "unprofessional" method or rather not having zenex team at all? They do what they have to do to find sponsors. I hope for them they are successful with doing so
Time for the creation of Team9 (formerly known as Zenex). Ok jokes aside, Looks like a e-sport boom in korea is in decline. In BW team dissolved. Kespa couldn't find a sponsor for team8. In SC2 teams have problems. Zenex and TSL are taken apart by stronger teams. Most teams have "strange" at best sponsors or methods to sustain themselves.
Could the community initiate a funding drive for Zenex to help keep them afloat, I'm sure a large enough percentage of TL readers would donate $5 or so?
On February 04 2012 16:36 SwizzY wrote: I wonder if this is really them... If so, I can't help but feel sorry for ZeNEX pandering on a TL forum for sponsors. Looks ridiculously unprofessional to say the very least.
Though I wish them the best, I'd be surprised if even a single sponsor would take a team like this seriously.
My thoughts. Thought it was a troll post, I mean they could at least ask some translator to write it up properly. Anyway, i'm not here to bash them, this seems a bit sad if it's real.
If posting on teamliquid is "unprofessional" then all the tweeting pro gamers do is absolutely amateur and juvenile.
Posting here makes a lot of sense, it is the premier Starcraft website. "ZeNEX wants "THE THING"" sounds very powerful and intimidating. I like it when organisations operate in an immediate way like this to their fan base. Who honestly wants to look at a bunch of paragraphs that read like a short essay?
This is short and sweet, and if you're serious - send him an e-mail.
On February 05 2012 10:00 AlphaWhale wrote: If posting on teamliquid is "unprofessional" then all the tweeting pro gamers do is absolutely amateur and juvenile.
Posting here makes a lot of sense, it is the premier Starcraft website. "ZeNEX wants "THE THING"" sounds very powerful and intimidating. I like it when organisations operate in an immediate way like this to their fan base. Who honestly wants to look at a bunch of paragraphs that read like a short essay?
This is short and sweet, and if you're serious - send him an e-mail.
pros don't post on TL explicitly looking for sponsorships and if they did the threads would probably get closed. TL has a sponsored threads section for a reason-- that's where people post advertisements (to prevent sc2 general from looking like Craigslist)
Not to mention, the title makes absolutely no sense in the context of the post, which itself is very poorly written. I don't think anyone is going to blame them for not having perfect English, but they could at least put a little effort into making a cohesive post when thousands of people are going to see what they've written.
I have nothing against Zenex or its players but it seems to me like some Korean esports admins have the misconception that TL is some magic place where foreign sponsorship deals come true. Sponsorships are a product of solid networking and branding, neither of which Zenex is accomplishing by making posts like this.
They're just getting their name out. Korean Engrish is a much a part of the eSports culture as the game itself. For example one of the major websites is called "THIS IS GAME". The lack of correct English honestly to me makes it much more personal and interesting than as I stated earlier, some long winded and overly proper post that reads like any message from any corporation. Despite the poor English, you know who they are and what they want.
This is just Korea slowly realising that the rest of the world is also an option for eSports. The countries have been incredibly segregated and the idea has been for awhile that if it "isn't in Korea, it isn't worth noticing." As infuriating as this post is for you, this is actually a positive thing. So as this becomes much more international, you'll have more teams from other countries posting on an Western dominated website.
On February 05 2012 08:16 DKR wrote: Could the community initiate a funding drive for Zenex to help keep them afloat, I'm sure a large enough percentage of TL readers would donate $5 or so?
In a rare situation where it's a professional KR team having financial trouble, I'd be willing to donate a few bucks as well.
Poor ZeNEX I imagine it must be hard to get sponsors to fund a team, it's a crazy amount of investment from a business perspective and it must really be wearing on them when they see other teams flourishing.
On February 05 2012 08:16 DKR wrote: Could the community initiate a funding drive for Zenex to help keep them afloat, I'm sure a large enough percentage of TL readers would donate $5 or so?
In a rare situation where it's a professional KR team having financial trouble, I'd be willing to donate a few bucks as well.
I'd rather see them get a sponsor than have to become a charity, or see them merge with some other progaming team. Seeing a progaming team that once had such great players have to resort to donations to get by would just foreshadow the team's demise..
Has anyone that can speak korean messaged them with a edited OP to maybe fix up some of the English. I mean this in a helpful way of course. "Hello we are progamer team 'ZeNEX'. We are currently looking for partnerships and sponsors. If you are curious, or interested about team Zenex, you can get information at our hompage ZeNEX . We have many talented gamers and hope to continue to expand our roster with fresh talent. With a partnership, we would be able to provide our players with a better environment so that we may continue to improve as a team.
If you interested about this offer, please contact me at: " E-mail / msn ( vwon21@naver.com ) "
Someone can feel free to add w/e they want to make it better and send to him on skype just figured it'd look a bit nicer this way. I don't know him or any korean so I am sort of hesitant to just send him this in case he's not sure what the intent is.
On February 05 2012 17:37 Diamond wrote: I'll talk to the ZeNEX head coach tomorrow and see if I can give him a hand with some stuff (like the OP for example).
On February 05 2012 17:37 Diamond wrote: I'll talk to the ZeNEX head coach tomorrow and see if I can give him a hand with some stuff (like the OP for example).
ESVDiamond saving eSports <3
ZeNEX has always been great to work with and a friend of ESV, it's the least I could do .
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
So why does this get an exception?
Probably because it's an awesome Korean team that has done nothing since the beta but help produce and groom some of the sickest players in Korea. They are having a hard time and they deserve a helping hand for all the great players and games ZeNEX and former ZeNEX players have put on for a long time.
I'm not a mod though so maybe not, just what I would think.
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
So why does this get an exception?
Probably because it's an awesome Korean team that has done nothing since the beta but help produce and groom some of the sickest players in Korea. They are having a hard time and they deserve a helping hand for all the great players and games ZeNEX and former ZeNEX players have put on for a long time.
I'm not a mod though so maybe not, just what I would think.
Who did they produce? And what sort of hard time are they going through?
On February 05 2012 17:54 sharky246 wrote: Who did they produce? And what sort of hard time are they going through?
Taeja, CoCa, Byun, Puzzle, Genius, Hack, Illusion (IceCream), cOre, Life, TREME, and more that aren't even in Liquipedia.
Hard time is people keep leaving the team. It's pretty obvious it's because they have no major sponsors (or any I think), however i don't claim to know their finances, this is just one of those common sense things however.
it's a bit of a shame to see this. it's obvious ZeNEX is unsure how to go about things from the business perspective. hopefully they reach out to some western esports organization and get some contacts and insight into the industry.
the only way the community can help is if you let potential sponsors know you care about the team and would buy their shit if they sponsored. idk how you can do that get ZeNEX trending on twitter or some other new media bullshit.
Don't see this attempt working out for ZeNex... goes to show how the korean starcraft 2 industry will not have the success it had off bw. Too much dependance on foreigner viewers, foreign sponsors, and foreign teams. Anyone know what kind of numbers does Gom hit within Korea?
On February 05 2012 17:54 sharky246 wrote: Who did they produce? And what sort of hard time are they going through?
Taeja, CoCa, Byun, Puzzle, Genius, Hack, Illusion (IceCream), cOre, Life, TREME, and more that aren't even in Liquipedia.
Hard time is people keep leaving the team. It's pretty obvious it's because they have no major sponsors (or any I think), however i don't claim to know their finances, this is just one of those common sense things however.
i think the problem stems from back when no korean team had funding, all the gsl wins (aka 90% of the cash) went to 2 teams, those players were willing to use their winnings to support their teams, but those teams with just up and commers or 'code a monsters' back when getting knocked out of code s was impossible got screwed over.
im not going back on my previous post saying korean teams could of worked harder to secure funding, im just pointing out to people who perhaps havent considered it, that for 6 months of last year 2 teams won 90% of the money.
I think this is a good decision, to support a struggling but promising Korean team that created a lot of sick players over the last coupla months. This may be a chance for a big sponsor or sponsoring organisation to get involved in the coveted Korean SC2 proscene and sort of follow in the footsteps of FXO.
People really think this thread should be closed? This shouldn't even be up for debate. Zenex is one of the teams keeping esports going in Korea, sorry if you and your two friends couldn't get a team recruitment thread in SC2 general.
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
So why does this get an exception?
Probably because it's an awesome Korean team that has done nothing since the beta but help produce and groom some of the sickest players in Korea. They are having a hard time and they deserve a helping hand for all the great players and games ZeNEX and former ZeNEX players have put on for a long time.
I'm not a mod though so maybe not, just what I would think.
Who did they produce? And what sort of hard time are they going through?
Never heard of ZeNEX? Are you serious? Not trying to be a dick or anything, if you aren't new to the scene you really should have heard of this team x_X.
I thought ZeNEX was trying really hard at one point to reach the foreign audience? Back when Puzzle, Coca, Byun and Line were owning it up and had streams. I heard that they had been approaching Korean-English translators.
I wish them all the best though. They did well this season to get 4 or so players back into Code A.
problem sponsors (that know sc2) have with zenex is they are basically a farm team. all the top teams will steal their players once they get good enough. 1 sponsor isnt going to make that change. they will need like 3-5 sponsors to keep players once they become well known faces.
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
So why does this get an exception?
Because it's Nazgul's site, his words are made of gold. But really it's easy to figure out, It's a legit Korean team, Very friendly and supported by a good number of TL forum members.
Idk why any company would choose to sponsor a team like Zenex to be honest. Doing so wouldn't really give any noteworthy name recognition except maybe to Koreans, and even then not really all that much. And since the US market is by far the most profitable to advertisers (yep, Americans spend the most; also low taxes and all that), with western Europe right behind that, and Korea no where near the top, advertising solely for Koreans doesn't seem like a great prospect for anyone but major multinational corporations like Pepsi or Sony.
Gl and all that, but honestly Zenex needs to participate in community events and spread their name around so advertisers see an opportunity to attach their brand to that name. EG does it well and Liquid has a pretty popular site so both are decent investments, but a lot of teams are just ways to throw away marketing budgets. :\
I keep checking on this topic to see if Zenex managed to get themselves 'the THING' they're looking for. The team really deserves it. I'm glad to see that the original post received some modifications to become much more informative. I'm even happier to see that 'the THING' was not edited from the topic title, lol!
Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
Good luck Zenex! I will be rooting my butt off for you, glad to see this thread updated to be more professional and give more info. I know I'm just one random guy but I really want to thank Nazgul for leaving this open. It's really awesome that you have made this exception and shows that you care about everyone in the e-sports community and want them to do well.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
Uhhhh, no, if you're referring to that one Reddit post made by that anonymous news source, Boss responded to it and said that of all the teams to be struggling, they are not Prime (recently got a new sponsor), TSL (sponsor-rich), ST (just bought a new teamhouse that looks like a fucking hotel, confirmed by Quantic marketing director to be "comfortable" finance-wise), or oGs (new partnership), which were singled out by the news source. Korean teams' finances aren't as good as they could be, but they're far from destitute.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
I dont know about TSL actually, did you see TSL vs IM in latest GSTL? 90% their sponsors from last year were missing in their shirts. Edit: looked the VoD up and from what i saw the Emtec, G-skill, Western Digital and SkyDigital patches are missing. The only ones left are Nkeyboard and Handsome Nerd, TSL have got a really tough year upcoming.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
I dont know about TSL actually, did you see TSL vs IM in latest GSTL? 90% their sponsors from last year were missing in their shirts.
TSL is not "at risk of collapse" for various reasons I can't go into. Mainly, though, they're still one of the richest teams in Korea. I laughed out loud when I read TSL on your list. TSL is the least likely team to collapse.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
I dont know about TSL actually, did you see TSL vs IM in latest GSTL? 90% their sponsors from last year were missing in their shirts. Edit: looked the VoD up and from what i saw the Emtec, G-skill, Western Digital and SkyDigital patches are missing. The only ones left are Nkeyboard and Handsome Nerd, TSL have got a really tough year upcoming.
Coach Lee's PC Bangs are pretty much the only sponsor they'll need as far as I can tell.
At any rate, GO GO GO ZENEX!!!!
I hope you guys find sponsors. And props to Liquid Nazgul for using his discretion in leaving this alive.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
I dont know about TSL actually, did you see TSL vs IM in latest GSTL? 90% their sponsors from last year were missing in their shirts.
TSL is not "at risk of collapse" for various reasons I can't go into. Mainly, though, they're still one of the richest teams in Korea. I laughed out loud when I read TSL on your list. TSL is the least likely team to collapse.
On February 06 2012 20:16 Koshi wrote: Does this mean a team like Zenex is struggling? Or are they doing okish and are simply looking for more financial security? They lost 4 Code S players over time. So sad.
Probably struggling, according to FXOBoss Prime, Zenex, Startale and TSL are struggling quite a bit lately.
TSL and Startale are definitely not struggling.
Zenex, yes, but Prime? Maybe? Their clothing website seems to being doing well and they just got new sponsors, so they might not be making a big profit, but not on the edge of death like ZeNex.
I dont know about TSL actually, did you see TSL vs IM in latest GSTL? 90% their sponsors from last year were missing in their shirts. Edit: looked the VoD up and from what i saw the Emtec, G-skill, Western Digital and SkyDigital patches are missing. The only ones left are Nkeyboard and Handsome Nerd, TSL have got a really tough year upcoming.
Coach Lee's PC Bangs are pretty much the only sponsor they'll need as far as I can tell.
At any rate, GO GO GO ZENEX!!!!
I hope you guys find sponsors. And props to Liquid Nazgul for using his discretion in leaving this alive.
agreeing with wklbishop.
TSL still rich and sending Polt to foreigner tournaments.(ASUS/finland)
ZeNEX needs to move their base of operations to the US and attract a number of douchebag, energy-drink-chugging investors that will spew the importance of selling one's complete image as a marketing device to generate a hype machine whose sole purpose is to incrementally accrue advertising revenue!
YES, MAKE THIS THE MODEL OF SUCCESS FOR MERIT-BASED COMPETITION!
On February 08 2012 15:14 Leifish wrote: ZeNEX needs to move their base of operations to the US and attract a number of douchebag, energy-drink-chugging investors that will spew the importance of selling one's complete image as a marketing device to generate a hype machine whose sole purpose is to incrementally accrue advertising revenue!
YES, MAKE THIS THE MODEL OF SUCCESS FOR MERIT-BASED COMPETITION!
LOL. It's very funny when you put it that way, but you're pretty much right.
Without causing a witchhunt and what not, I think the broader community has no idea on how little financial support the e-sports industry actually has..
That counts for all scenes foreign and korean. But I can openly say that korean teams are doing it tough, and thats mostly because of the teams actually being big enough to support a full broad roster.. Some foreign teams only have 5 players..
A small thing that people can do to help ZeNEX out, gogo like their Facebook page. It looks like all they post is when their players are playing and stuff, which is always cool. And social media is everything for potential sponsors.
I'm watching them on GSTL right now. Hopefully some potential sponsors/partners are watching too. A little bit of support could take this team a long way.
On February 08 2012 15:14 Leifish wrote: ZeNEX needs to move their base of operations to the US and attract a number of douchebag, energy-drink-chugging investors that will spew the importance of selling one's complete image as a marketing device to generate a hype machine whose sole purpose is to incrementally accrue advertising revenue!
YES, MAKE THIS THE MODEL OF SUCCESS FOR MERIT-BASED COMPETITION!
On February 10 2012 19:50 parazice wrote: you guys better go to another game maybe LOL Hon Dota2 cuz when Bw team come you guys have no chance(even now you guy still have no chance T-T)
4-5 Vs oGs is having no chance?? 5-0 vs ReIGN. Life qualifying for the iron squid tournament going through IMhorror, Lalush, St_Bomber and Keen.
I wouldnt say that they have no chance, sure they are always underdogs but man to their players have talent.
On February 10 2012 19:50 parazice wrote: you guys better go to another game maybe LOL Hon Dota2 cuz when Bw team come you guys have no chance(even now you guy still have no chance T-T)
4-5 Vs oGs is having no chance?? 5-0 vs ReIGN. Life qualifying for the iron squid tournament going through IMhorror, Lalush, St_Bomber and Keen.
I wouldnt say that they have no chance, sure they are always underdogs but man to their players have talent.
i would say oGs sure lucky that met Zenex in 1st round
On February 10 2012 19:50 parazice wrote: you guys better go to another game maybe LOL Hon Dota2 cuz when Bw team come you guys have no chance(even now you guy still have no chance T-T)
Get out of here with your rudeness. There is no need for such disrespect.
On February 10 2012 19:50 parazice wrote: you guys better go to another game maybe LOL Hon Dota2 cuz when Bw team come you guys have no chance(even now you guy still have no chance T-T)
Wow. Really cleaned up OP. My only criticism is that every apostrophe in the sentence quoted below is wrong, but aside from that it's very nice.
On February 04 2012 01:36 TeamZeNEX wrote: With a proper partnerships and sponsorship's, we feel that ZeNEX can truly show it's full potential and continue it's tradition of being one of the very premiere Korean teams.
Shame you guys got beat down in today's GSTL. Lucky has been on somewhat of a tear lately and is certainly no slouch. It'd be nice to see Life perform up to his potential in a televised game too, but that's a lot of pressure on the guy. I'm still curious as to why Kyrix is never even present at a team league match.
Stay up there, ZeNEX. May your player(s? I think it's just Avenge) remaining in Code A perform well.
ZeNEX has a long history in Starcraft 2 of creating and raising the best talent in the entire Korean scene
Our team has done well in tournaments such as the GTSL, placing as high as 3rd place.
As a team we are currently looking to expand
Bold: missing.
If you are looking for more information on us, please look up our Liquipedia page
Bold: my substitution.
With a proper partnerships and sponsorships, we feel that ZeNEX can truly show its full potential and continue its tradition of being one of the very premiere Korean teams.
Making this sound cleaner. Also, I removed the grocer's apostrophes in sponsorship's and it's.
Team ZeNEX came to life in the early release of SC2 when clans Zenith and NEX joined forces.
Bold: my substitution. Active is better than passive, I feel.
Using the resources that the merging of the two clans allowed us, we went on to become one of the top Starcraft 2 teams in Korea.
Bold: rearranged for euphony to avoid having 'in Starcraft in Korea'.
Our long history has helped us not only push the limits of the competitive arenabut also learn to have some of the best talent scouting in the scene.
Bold: my substitutions and additions. Eliminating the repetition of 'scene'; creating stronger coordination between 'push' and 'learn'.
Our highlight moment was taking 3rd place overall in the FebruaryGSTL
If you're 3rd you're there absolutely, not on average.
Bold: corrected 'GTSL', (edit) 'Feburary'.
. Since then we have cemented our reputation as one of the strongest rosters in Korea
Bold: my substitution. You don't go on to remain something. Also, positive is better than negative.
i just think this team needs personality.. like what is a "ZeNex" its a bad name and there logo isnt appealing when i watched the GSTL yesterday just seem like a bunch of lil kids on a team.. they have no mentors nobody wants to join there team they gotta make a big jump and revolve there team with a player.. like SlayerS with MMA MVP with DRG TSL with Polt and so forth if i was the owner of this team i would change so much,,,
On February 11 2012 09:39 naux wrote: i just think this team needs personality.. like what is a "ZeNex" its a bad name and there logo isnt appealing when i watched the GSTL yesterday just seem like a bunch of lil kids on a team.. they have no mentors nobody wants to join there team they gotta make a big jump and revolve there team with a player.. like SlayerS with MMA MVP with DRG TSL with Polt and so forth if i was the owner of this team i would change so much,,,
You realize that:
1) ZeNEX is a merger of two Korean Clans: Zenith, and NEX.
2) All of ZeNEX's best players got picked up by other teams.
3) ZeNEX is not the only Korean team hurting for sponsors.
On February 11 2012 09:39 naux wrote: i just think this team needs personality.. like what is a "ZeNex" its a bad name and there logo isnt appealing when i watched the GSTL yesterday just seem like a bunch of lil kids on a team.. they have no mentors nobody wants to join there team they gotta make a big jump and revolve there team with a player.. like SlayerS with MMA MVP with DRG TSL with Polt and so forth if i was the owner of this team i would change so much,,,
You realize that:
1) ZeNEX is a merger of two Korean Clans: Zenith, and NEX.
2) All of ZeNEX's best players got picked up by other teams.
3) ZeNEX is not the only Korean team hurting for sponsors.
1. Just because they are a merger of two korean clans does not make them as competitive as teams in the GSTL. ZeNEX would be my last korean team i would join if i was a progammer..
2.Yeah they lost players so what.. every team loses players look at TSL. i would choose TSL > ZeNEX all day.. and TSL is still challenging and making improvements, recruitments of all sorts. I dont think i heard ONE single public annoucement ZeNEX has made besides needing for sponsors.
3. I know thats why most korean teams ally themselves with FOREIGNER teams.. SlayerSEG, oGs-TL, coLMVP, StartaleQ, TSL almost had one with Fnatic, and IM was with Quantic. ZeNEX go partner up with Vile Gaming or something already both teams could benefit from it.
On February 11 2012 09:39 naux wrote: i just think this team needs personality.. like what is a "ZeNex" its a bad name and there logo isnt appealing when i watched the GSTL yesterday just seem like a bunch of lil kids on a team.. they have no mentors nobody wants to join there team they gotta make a big jump and revolve there team with a player.. like SlayerS with MMA MVP with DRG TSL with Polt and so forth if i was the owner of this team i would change so much,,,
You realize that:
1) ZeNEX is a merger of two Korean Clans: Zenith, and NEX.
2) All of ZeNEX's best players got picked up by other teams.
3) ZeNEX is not the only Korean team hurting for sponsors.
1. Just because they are a merger of two korean clans does not make them as competitive as teams in the GSTL. ZeNEX would be my last korean team i would join if i was a progammer..
2.Yeah they lost players so what.. every team loses players look at TSL. i would choose TSL > ZeNEX all day.. and TSL is still challenging and making improvements, recruitments of all sorts. I dont think i heard ONE single public annoucement ZeNEX has made besides needing for sponsors.
3. I know thats why most korean teams ally themselves with FOREIGNER teams.. SlayerSEG, oGs-TL, coLMVP, StartaleQ, TSL almost had one with Fnatic, and IM was with Quantic. ZeNEX go partner up with Vile Gaming or something already both teams could benefit from it.
He was telling you why they have this name
Maybe they don't recruit players like TSL because they don't have sponsors?
Hopefully ZeNEX can find a suitable arrangement. With the right support, I think several ZeNEX players could show the same kind of improvement that many fOu players did after the FXO deal brought stability to their team.
On February 11 2012 10:00 ramon wrote: i wish we could do some sort of "get mkp to mlg" thing like reddit did
If by that you mean "Get Avenge/EXTREME to mlg" (so I can lift more funny builds from them). Would be nice if ZENEX had the resources to send some players to an MLG.
At one point ZeNEX had a pretty decent line-up, with Puzzle, ByuN, CoCa, and Line heading it. Sadly, I guess there were some bad managerial decisions or just inept marketing early-on in the team's life, as they've never had sponsors as far as I know, and thus there aren't many opportunities for aspiring players passed getting enough attention to be picked-up by richer teams (lol.)
One small managerial decision that I think might help on the track to success is to start with an English translator or representative. I'm sure there are people who would be willing to volunteer.
Edit: whatever happened to Hack? Apparently he's on StarTale now, but I haven't seen him in ages.
On February 11 2012 10:25 Cedstick wrote: At one point ZeNEX had a pretty decent line-up, with Puzzle, ByuN, CoCa, and Line heading it. Sadly, I guess there were some bad managerial decisions or just inept marketing early-on in the team's life, as they've never had sponsors as far as I know, and thus there aren't many opportunities for aspiring players passed getting enough attention to be picked-up by richer teams (lol.)
One small managerial decision that I think might help on the track to success is to start with an English translator or representative. I'm sure there are people who would be willing to volunteer.
Edit: whatever happened to Hack? Apparently he's on StarTale now, but I haven't seen him in ages.
Hack's in Code B and is still playing. He's been trying out for Code A for a while now but has been unable to break through though.
On February 12 2012 09:20 opterown wrote: ZeNEX taking out IM 6-2 like a boss :D EXTREME 4-killed IM (going through players like Losira, Happy, and Yonghwa)
And I spammed it everywhere, but every protoss enthusiast should watch EXTreme vs IMHappy...it was like Parting vs Jjakji, same strategy by Treme (2 colossus then direct tech to storm, and mass storms). I thought Happy would roll him multiple times, it was an awesome game and a great display of skill.
I saw a GOMTV patch on Avenge last night, hopefully they can get proper sponsors soon! Seriously whichever sponsor decides to do so will get a LOT of love from the community.
On February 05 2012 16:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Leaving this open as an exception to our advertising rules.
Thank you. You know when to stick to the rules and when to make an exception. With (rare) exceptions at the right place and the right time it's easier for anyone to follow the rules because they are applied with reason and intuition.
On February 04 2012 01:46 Fionn wrote: This is really sad. ZeNex is actually one of the best teams so far in SC2 in producing talent. They made Coca, Byun, and Puzzle, all three players who are high Code S caliber. If they really did have a sponsor, I'm sure they would become a strong team if they could keep their stars.
Yes. While NS Hoseo (as the other then-unknown team) got some success, Zenex seems still to be struggling and some of their best players already left.
With Line and Xtreme in their line-up I still see the potential for success.
Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
I hope they will find someone who lifts them up again. They produced some really good players in the past and I think they can do that again if they have the resources to do so!
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
That is a stupid thing to say. That's like if I were to say that in order to be a super hero, you must have super powers. Then you reply "Unless you have superpowers, you can't say that." The whole "Until you can do better yourself, you can't comment on what makes something good" argument is complete trash and is reserved only for imbeciles.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
That is a stupid thing to say. That's like if I were to say that in order to be a super hero, you must have super powers. Then you reply "Unless you have superpowers, you can't say that." The whole "Until you can do better yourself, you can't comment on what makes something good" argument is complete trash and is reserved only for imbeciles.
There's ways to say what you said without attacking who you're talking to.
But I agree, someone who is bad at sports can still say what it takes to be good at sports.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
That is a stupid thing to say. That's like if I were to say that in order to be a super hero, you must have super powers. Then you reply "Unless you have superpowers, you can't say that." The whole "Until you can do better yourself, you can't comment on what makes something good" argument is complete trash and is reserved only for imbeciles.
There's ways to say what you said without attacking who you're talking to.
But I agree, someone who is bad at sports can still say what it takes to be good at sports.
You're right. Normally, I would hold back and be more polite about it, but I did not for two reasons. First, this argument is way too common and it's starting to get on my nerves. Second, I believe in this situation he deserves it because he was being rude to the person he was talking to, so I feel it is appropriate to give him a proper scolding rather than kindly reminding him that he has made a mistake.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
You necroed this thread to order to give me an insipid criticism?
On April 26 2012 05:03 Gackt_ wrote: They are still without sponsor? They actually got a bunch of great players..I dont get how none wants to sponsor the team.. :S
It is hard to get SC2 sponsors without GSL champs.
On March 26 2012 14:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Life, Avenge, Extreme, Line, Ryoo, and Sparta is a pretty strong foundation for ZeNEX. That group will not win events now (except maybe a KSL team league, surprisingly they are annihilating teams left and right there) but they can mature to be strong contenders in 1-2 years. The main concern right now is stablizing that talent as most of the mentioned players have big ups and downs in terms of performance.
What's that supposed to mean 1-2 years? The game has been out ~2 years and what are the current ZeNEX players lacking that other players do have?
Consistency, confidence to perform on the big stages, experience in large tournaments, sponsorship.
If you can do that, you can comment. Until then you can't.
Please do the world a favor and stop posting on the internet
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i hope they get one. <3 zenex!
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