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On January 31 2012 10:02 kaisertoss wrote:
For all the haters out there. I am French also. It upsets me that people are talking bad based on his country of origin. French people happen to be very strict about time. Lunche, dinners and bedtimes are very strict and scheduled in that country. You wont see people walking the streets past midnight even in Paris. For him to be tired at the time makes sense. People need to be more respectable towards a person's culture.
While I agree that people shouldn't discriminate his country of origin. On the other side he shouldn't be granted more oppertunities than others because he is French. He agreed to play in ONOG and SCAN at the same time. If his bedtime deadline is so important to him, then he should have considered it before he accepted the invite. Simple as that. There is no excuse.
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I really wonder if there would be a thread about this if he hadn't played a tournament earlier in the day and caused a delay in this one. If he said listen I am tired I have 10 more minutes online for you referees to make a decision either I am forefit or I can finish the finals sometime tomorrow or next week whenever you would like. Now, given the circumstances where he himself delays the tournament and the tournament is nice enough to allow him to do this, then can't stay up for the finals. I just got done watching a player (near the end) break the world record for longest time playing a game (4 days) without sleep and he couldn't give his fans an extra 2 hours? But this just goes to his mentality on the whole reading his interviews and watching them. He doesn't give a shit that he is good at the game just does whatever he feels like doing regardless of tournament or even team obligations. Crappy attitude, but you can get away with that in Esports right now...
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After this i hope there will be a new tournament rule called "the stephanogate" which stipulate that
*In case of forfeiting, the player will receive no cash no matter how far he reached in the tournament.
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On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts.
I'm going to carry on pretending not to be interested in drama when it is actually what I love most about Teamliquid.
IMHO, the picture with Stephano staring at that girl's sweet rack deserves its own thread.
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On January 31 2012 10:02 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:58 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts. How about "Kas wins ONOG" !!!!! Dont see it in headlines Hopefully in a few months we will! But for now people complain a lot about spoilers, maybe you should make a thread about how spoilers are ruining possible community news headlines.
That doesnt make sense, u said its THE biggest one that week.This is a SC2 news site.Its like tennis.com not posting Djokovic wins AO cuz they might spoil it for someone.
Plus OP 'spoiled' SCAN, so ur argument is just an excuse.
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Stephano did not handle this situation well. Too say you are too tired too play really shows lack of professionalism. This is what happens when you play in multiple tournaments and both finals happen to be on the same day. He needs to manage his schedule better.
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On January 31 2012 09:57 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 09:27 dsousa wrote:On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote:
Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! need to make sure all the tournament organizers know so that they won't invite him to future, invite-only tournaments. thanks tl.net for making this happen!! Tournament organizers will still invite him regardless what happened here. They will take into consideration that this happened but they will definitely still invite him. Stephano is just that much better than most people outside Korea,,,he attracts Viewers just like Dimaga, Idra, White-ra, Kas or Huk. ONOG had 12k+ Viewers if Stephano and Kas weren't there it would be like 6k viewers maybe tops and if MrBitter wasnt there the viewer count would decrease with maybe 1 more K. Stephano was wrong but in a way he was also right same goes for the organizers decision. Now lets talk about the real disappointment called Tyler he just Rage quit the tournament because he got owned in the first series....
So because people are good, they can do whatever they want? Well, then you won't have big tours with price-money in the future. Imagine football and every time 1 or 2 clubs decide to just leave during a tournament or a season. Bicycle racing was at some point big too and then all the doping shit happened and now it's kinda dead. Acting like an idiot (IdrA) is ok, because some sponsors like to sponsor a "bad boy" it's some kind of image but screwing a whole tournament is just stupid and no sponsor wants to see his players doing that. Every sponsor will decide 2 times before sponsoring a sc2 tournament when he has to fear that childish players will screw things up. Maybe they will use the money for some google ads and be on the save side.
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On January 31 2012 10:05 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 10:02 kaisertoss wrote:
For all the haters out there. I am French also. It upsets me that people are talking bad based on his country of origin. French people happen to be very strict about time. Lunche, dinners and bedtimes are very strict and scheduled in that country. You wont see people walking the streets past midnight even in Paris. For him to be tired at the time makes sense. People need to be more respectable towards a person's culture. While I agree that people shouldn't discriminate his country of origin. On the other side he shouldn't be granted more oppertunities than others because he is French. He agreed to play in ONOG and SCAN at the same time. If his bedtime deadline is so important to him, then he should have considered it before he accepted the invite. Simple as that. There is no excuse.
Lol.
So he can forfeit every tournament after midnight because he is french? No, he can't. He should not have signed up and played in the first place, since it was obviously an high possibility if he was playing in the final.
There is absolutly no excuses for what he did.
Actually, people are not bashing him because of his nation, people are bashing his nation because of what he did. Sure, it's still not fine and it's still racist, but eh. Welcome to the internet.
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On January 31 2012 10:07 KenChan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 10:02 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 31 2012 09:58 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts. How about "Kas wins ONOG" !!!!! Dont see it in headlines Hopefully in a few months we will! But for now people complain a lot about spoilers, maybe you should make a thread about how spoilers are ruining possible community news headlines. That doesnt make sense, u said its THE biggest one that week.This is a SC2 news site.Its like tennis.com not posting Djokovic wins AO cuz they might spoil it for someone.
That's how it works around here. It's stupid imo, but in the days after GSL or MLG you won't see an article on it. Usually is at least a week or so.
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On January 31 2012 09:57 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 09:27 dsousa wrote:On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote:
Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! need to make sure all the tournament organizers know so that they won't invite him to future, invite-only tournaments. thanks tl.net for making this happen!! Tournament organizers will still invite him regardless what happened here. They will take into consideration that this happened but they will definitely still invite him. Stephano is just that much better than most people outside Korea,,,he attracts Viewers just like Dimaga, Idra, White-ra, Kas or Huk. ONOG had 12k+ Viewers if Stephano and Kas weren't there it would be like 6k viewers maybe tops and if MrBitter wasnt there the viewer count would decrease with maybe 1 more K. Stephano was wrong but in a way he was also right same goes for the organizers decision. Now lets talk about the real disappointment called Tyler he just Rage quit the tournament because he got owned in the first series....
yeah, they will keep inviting him.... but here is hoping that tournaments will eventually enforce some form of professionalism on its participants....
what basis do you have to make the tyler comment?
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On January 31 2012 10:02 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:50 mathsucks wrote:On January 31 2012 09:49 dsousa wrote:
This story now has more posts than the MLG Winter Qualifier player list. It is the most replied story in community news, in under 8 hours.
I guess this is why the Kardashians are so important. And you're responsible for almost a full page yourself...are you making fun of people or.......? Drama brings excitement. You cannot deny this as your post count in this thread alone shows that Its been hard work, defending Stephano from the onslaught brought on by this tabloid journalism! I'm not making fun of people, I'm pointing out that TL is catering the the lower common denominator by making this Community News. Its completely analogous to the Kardashians being all over CNN. Stephano didn't handle the situation as well as he could have... its as relevant to SC2 news as Kim Kardashian being married is to World News. Both are top headlines!
Pointing out that a high end "professional" player took a spot in an invite only, community sponsored/funded/volunteered tournament, only to delay and then ultimately forfeit because of a scheduling conflict HE could have prevented isnt news?
If any professional sports team/player showed up to the Finals of their league and said "We're/I'm tired, I'm not showing up until tomorrow." What do you think would happen? News. I know the scale of events is different, but it is still news.
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On January 31 2012 10:10 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 10:07 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 10:02 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 31 2012 09:58 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts. How about "Kas wins ONOG" !!!!! Dont see it in headlines Hopefully in a few months we will! But for now people complain a lot about spoilers, maybe you should make a thread about how spoilers are ruining possible community news headlines. That doesnt make sense, u said its THE biggest one that week.This is a SC2 news site.Its like tennis.com not posting Djokovic wins AO cuz they might spoil it for someone. That's how it works around here. It's stupid imo, but in the days after GSL or MLG you won't see an article on it. Usually is at least a week or so.
I agree it's a dumb policy too. I'm a big sports fan and I think it's insane that we don't post results right away.
Hopefully that will change though, we're slowly moving away from spoilers.
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On January 31 2012 10:07 NoCatsCradle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts. I'm going to carry on pretending not to be interested in drama when it is actually what I love most about Teamliquid. IMHO, the picture with Stephano staring at that girl's sweet rack deserves its own thread.
That was a great picture!!! Can you imagine the pageviews and posts it would generate if it were Community News?
Some draft headlines:
Stephano a Perv!!
SC2 leads to Sex Addiction!
Its just unfortunate, for SC2 and the SC2 community, that Stephano's brilliance is being overshadowed by this needless drama.
His play was Code S level yesterday, and all you haters should watch his match vs Illusion and try and stay mad at him. Before this, he was easily playing better than any foreigner has ever played SC2.
He gave plenty to the community yesterday, and its just sad all that all that remains is this vitriol.
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The more i read this kind of thread, the more i hate the "e-sports" mentality. The quest for legitimacy of "e-sports" is bane of this community, everything is blown out or proportions and everyone has an opinion on the correct code of conduct for players and tournaments organizers. I wish we were more like the fighting community: less money, more fun.
Also, 43 pages of beating a dead horse... when we already had 40+ pages on the ONOG thread?
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On January 31 2012 10:11 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 10:10 Myles wrote:On January 31 2012 10:07 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 10:02 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 31 2012 09:58 KenChan wrote:On January 31 2012 09:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Again, I don't understand how people can call this irrelevant drama, because while it is dramatic, it is very relevant to the competitive StarCraft scene which our website is all about.
Let me ask you this if the best player forfeiting in the finals of the biggest tournament that weekend is NOT news but drama, what qualifies as actual news? This situation is absolutely worth a thread and not because it's some "drama mongering." It's not like there's a Community News thread about Stephano cursing on stream or staring at pictures of a girl's breasts. How about "Kas wins ONOG" !!!!! Dont see it in headlines Hopefully in a few months we will! But for now people complain a lot about spoilers, maybe you should make a thread about how spoilers are ruining possible community news headlines. That doesnt make sense, u said its THE biggest one that week.This is a SC2 news site.Its like tennis.com not posting Djokovic wins AO cuz they might spoil it for someone. That's how it works around here. It's stupid imo, but in the days after GSL or MLG you won't see an article on it. Usually is at least a week or so. I agree it's a dumb policy too. I'm a big sports fan and I think it's insane that we don't post results right away. Hopefully that will change though, we're slowly moving away from spoilers.
That's good to hear. I know it's also because you don't have paid dedicated writers, but I think there's plenty of excitement to get their motivation up 
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On January 31 2012 10:06 gds wrote:
After this i hope there will be a new tournament rule called "the stephanogate" which stipulate that
*In case of forfeiting, the player will receive no cash no matter how far he reached in the tournament.
What if a player is seriously ill? Or their internet cuts out? Should they still lose everything? And if not, do you think anyone is ever going to forfeit rather than having a mysterious computer crash in the future?
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On January 31 2012 10:08 AmstAff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:57 HaRxTears wrote:On January 31 2012 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 09:27 dsousa wrote:On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote:
Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! need to make sure all the tournament organizers know so that they won't invite him to future, invite-only tournaments. thanks tl.net for making this happen!! Tournament organizers will still invite him regardless what happened here. They will take into consideration that this happened but they will definitely still invite him. Stephano is just that much better than most people outside Korea,,,he attracts Viewers just like Dimaga, Idra, White-ra, Kas or Huk. ONOG had 12k+ Viewers if Stephano and Kas weren't there it would be like 6k viewers maybe tops and if MrBitter wasnt there the viewer count would decrease with maybe 1 more K. Stephano was wrong but in a way he was also right same goes for the organizers decision. Now lets talk about the real disappointment called Tyler he just Rage quit the tournament because he got owned in the first series.... So because people are good, they can do whatever they want? Well, then you won't have big tours with price-money in the future. Imagine football and every time 1 or 2 clubs decide to just leave during a tournament or a season. Bicycle racing was at some point big too and then all the doping shit happened and now it's kinda dead. Acting like an idiot (IdrA) is ok, because some sponsors like to sponsor a "bad boy" it's some kind of image but screwing a whole tournament is just stupid and no sponsor wants to see his players doing that. Every sponsor will decide 2 times before sponsoring a sc2 tournament when he has to fear that childish players will screw things up. Maybe they will use the money for some google ads and be on the save side.
You're getting some things mixed up.
Idra gets away with a lot because he's popular. He's popular because he's good at the game and because he's irreverent.
With this latest incident, Stephano is now more popular than ever - add to that fact that he's even more talanted and irreverant than Idra mean that Stephano has the same makings of a superstar.
This thread has pretty much proven that people will pay attention to Stephano regardless whether they like his attutude or not. Actually no. They will now pay attention because of his attitude.
I'd be pretty happy right now if I were Millenium.
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stephano cannot be at two places at once, the organizers should be working together to make sure their times dont overlap
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Once again where are the rules? If there are no rules then stephano has no moral or legal reason to stay in the tournament. He can then leave at any time, it's up to him. If that might cause some ethical wrongdoings so be it but he didn't break the tournament rules. The real ethical wrongdoings was to award him 3/4 place when he clearly had qualified for 1/2 place. But since there were no rules i cannot blame the to much.
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