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Why oGs will win the GSTL

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Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 15:33:18
January 26 2012 00:24 GMT
#1
With the new GSTL season about to kick off, the forums are going crazy with predictions and Wild speculation over who will win. Statisticians are pouring over results in order to get their liquibets in.

But which team is going to lift the trophy at the end, to be there to kiss it gently but awkwardly?

Old Generations + TeamLiquid, that's who.

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Why? Let me tell you why.....

Park "(T)fOrGG" Ji SoO:

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The Ace of Ace's

I'll let you in on a little Secret. He's calling himself fin, because he's Here to finish everyones hopes of winning future GSL's. Now that he purposefully dropped down to Code A to focus on GSTL, fOrGG is ready to bring out has devastating repertoire of builds to crush nerds and make them look silly while doing it, just ask July and Polt. He's only just getting started at the SC2 Pro level, and he's not here to fool around. With the hype train down to more manageable levels, it's time for fOrGG to step up and claim his place at the top. Starting with GSTL. Go to youtube now, listen to Foo Fighters "The Pretender", and you'll be Ready to watch the glory of fOrGG playing SC2.

Lee "(T)NaDa"Yoon Yeol:

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Some of you might be wondering, who is NaDa? Well you know that term "Bonjwa" that gets thrown around whenever anyone looks like they're doing good in SC2. You wanna know who is one of the few players in the world to Actually be called a Bonjwa? NaDa. NaDa has done it all, and he's still here kicking ass and taking names. And if that wasn't enough to convince you, then just check this Link. NaDa'S Body. He has the consistency, experience and skill to take a game of anyone, and will be a key part of the the oGs-TL GSTL lineup.

SonG "(P)InCa" JoOn Hyuk:

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Why can't you see him? He's cloaked. He's so good with DT'Ss that he's become one himself. Watch out, because you won't even see him coming.

Kim "(T)SuperNoVa" Young JIN - by ImmortalTofu

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59% winrate overall. 58 VT, 55 vZ, 63 (!) VP. This man has no weak match-ups. He knocked out DRG in GSL October during his first season of Code S. In the aforementioned match v. StarTale, he 4-killed (that'S a GSTL allkill btw) RainBOw (LOL), Parting, Bomber, and Curious. Take a look at that list again. That'S right, he got every StarTale Ace, before falling to Squirtle in a close Cheese game. He got 3rd in the WCG Korean qualifiers, beating all races and winning out the Super slugfest that was his third place vs. Happy. If you didn't watch that match Live, let me recap. 1:30 ish game on Metalopolis. He crushes Happy in the engagement, but then there's literally no Gas on the map left to build a single viking. The draw is forced even with his huge remaining marine-tank army. Frustrating? Everyone in the chat, on the forums, everywhere: "Super will Cheese this next game, I can feel it...." And What does our beloved Terran do, with literal tears in his eyes? That's right, one rax gasless expand, true as can be. This just goes to show how unshakeable he is. No nerves, Solid play, and an amazing record. This man is one to be feared. Oh yeah, and he just crushed through one of the two groups of death in the code S ro32 with some brilliant mind-games. Don't think for a second he's predictable.

Choi "(T)TheStC" Yun Sik - by ImmortalTofu

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Turns out all your pictures suck when you've played like 1 game in the actual GSL cus you've been in the army

The overshadowed ONE, the ONE we know nothing about. Yet I'd consider him an Ace. What with his 61% win rate (Admittedly against weaker field than Super)? ~55% vZandT? 81 (!) VP? Achievements you ask? The scariest Terran of the beta. Winner of FXO invitations while in the army. First in 3 stacked KSL dailies. 2nd in the First Korean Weekly of the new year, falling Only to Leenock. Ripping through everyone besides HuK and MC at MLG? STC is a powerful terran as well, and I think that, backed with SuperNoVa, we have a respectable Ace Line.

Kim "(T)TOP" Jung Hoon

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Rated by oGs themselves as one of their best players, TOP has been around since the birth of the GSL. He all-killed TSL once, what are the odds of him doing it again? Go and watch TOP vs MVP, game 1, GSL August code A final, the most amazing TvT ever played. And that's right, he got to the final of GSL August, losing only to MVP. TOP is a scary player that can turn it on when needed.


Coach: Park "(Z)TheWinD" Sang Ik:

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It takes a certain amount of courage to name yourself after the perceptible natural movement of air. "TheWinD" has been around, he breezed his way Into SC2 from BW. That's right, from BW. And with his BW contacts, he's gone about forming a truly formidable team of Ex-BW Pros. Oh and he's a kickass Zerg player as well. TheWinD will be leading from the front, just be sure you don't get caught up in the hurricane.

by ImmortalTofu: The coach plays a significant role in any sports team, and Starcraft is no exception. Coming from BW, this man has extensive experience with the teamleague format, something that is of paramount importance in the winner's league style of play, where the right pick spells out the Fate of your team. Also, he's one of the very few select Korean coaches whose level of play even rivals his players, Choya being the other example that immediately comes to mind and look how well his team is doing! With his in depth knowledge of the player choice mentality from his Brood war days, along with the level of improvement he can show in his players due to his significant skill, TheWinD is a man perfectly positioned to lead his team to Ultimate Victory!

The Secret Weapons

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oGs-TL, more than any other team, comes locked and loaded with their secret weapons ready to Fire. (P)HerO, (T)Jinro and (Z)Zenio stand ready to aid oGs as part of the longest standing SC2 Korean/Foreigner partnership.

There is a reason everyone's been hyping HerO for the past few months, and it's because he's a boss. Taking Protoss in a new direction is not an easy cross to bare, and there have been bumps in the road, but he can snipe anyone. He's strong in all matchups. Without MC, look for HerO to be an integral part of the oGs-TL line-up.

Jinro has proven to be the most committed Foreigner living in Korea and he's determined to earn his place in the GSL. Turning down offers of Code A seeds, Jinro has thrown himself in the pit of Code B and fought valiantly every time. Jinro is a potent wildcard in the pack of oGs-TL.

Zenio led the Zerg line-up for oGs until moving on to TL recently, and has been playing a completely New style of Zerg (showcased at IEM Kiev last week) that has thrown his opponents off. With a long HistOry of Code S play, and a no-nonsense personality (just ask IdrA), Zenio will have a point to prove if picked to play.

There's even been rumours of banjo playing being heard from the oGs-TL training house. What could this mean?

Conclusion

The oGs-TL player line-up runs deep, even considering the recent departure of presidential candidate Min Chul. Heard of Cezanne? Vines? Luvsic?

Oh, and did you see how many Terrans there are in that Line up? That's right, there's a lot of top Korean Terrans in this line up. Do you know who's been dominating GSL? Top Korean Terrans.

The nerd slaying will start with a simple first round matchup against ZeNEX (WhO?). expect our oGs-TL heroes to ease Into the GSTL, resting their stars until it's time to bring out the big guns. But bring them out they shall, and ye shall all behold their glory.

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Edit: Added TOP and SuperNoVa who were inexplicably missing initially!
Edit2: Added more details, TL and some of the awesome information put together by ImmortalTofu. See Analysis of why oGs will win GSTL 1 2012 for his full post.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 26 2012 00:26 GMT
#2
Why any team can win this GSTL? because the game has developed and it's so hard to predict lol tbh I don't really think oGs can compete without MC. Beside that MVP and IM is stronger than ever
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
January 26 2012 00:27 GMT
#3
SuperNova is one of their biggest players. Find it odd that you choose not to write about him. Nontheless good writeup. Loving these hype threads! (even though I am an FXO fan <3)
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 26 2012 00:27 GMT
#4
Man, i don't care how played out the inca dt joke gets, i'll probably still laugh at it every time.

nice writeup!
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
January 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#5
I was at first like "Why isn't MC listed here.. His one of their best players" then it dawned on me.


oGs will never be the same </3
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 26 2012 00:29 GMT
#6
you'll need to cover TheSTC too. he's such a boss :D
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 00:30:42
January 26 2012 00:30 GMT
#7
Should be "oGs-TL", especially now that they have half of their lineup in Korea (With TLO and Ret also going back this year).
Needs more Supernova also.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
January 26 2012 00:30 GMT
#8
So you name 3 palyers of which 2 had been slumping and dont mention Supernova who crushes through nearly everything since over 2 month? No word about the powerful Terranlineup in general? This thread aint worthy oGs in my opinion
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
January 26 2012 00:30 GMT
#9
Well, why not SK.oGs.TL? I think MC can play for oGs since SK wont play GSTL
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 26 2012 00:31 GMT
#10
LOL@ inca
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12771 Posts
January 26 2012 00:32 GMT
#11
Awesome, so many threads popping up! :D
Nice article but SuperNova is probably the scariest oGs terran right now, don't forget him !
WriterMaru
RetoX
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong252 Posts
January 26 2012 00:32 GMT
#12
oGs FIGTHING
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MrFrenchy
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada37 Posts
January 26 2012 00:33 GMT
#13
Ogs has my support for GSTL. Many of their players (except for ForGG of course) are super underrated.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 26 2012 00:33 GMT
#14
Inca jokes <3

But yeah, forgetting TheSTC would be a crime, because on the people listed alone oGs fails to look very scary.

Oh no wait, here's the real crime: oGsSupernova. You know, the only Code S oGs player? Poor guy is so underrated.
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 26 2012 00:33 GMT
#15
Even without MC, ogs still has a good chance i think. But I think you're missing some people.
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corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
January 26 2012 00:35 GMT
#16
many, many TOP/supernova all kills inc. even if they werent given a paragraph
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 26 2012 00:36 GMT
#17
Going to add SuperNova and TOP because they didn't get the love they deserve
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cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 00:38:13
January 26 2012 00:37 GMT
#18
Ive been watching forGG´s stream alot, the guy is a menace.. incredible micro and multitask. Hes probably their strongest player right now, followed by Supernova and TOP. I dont feel like NaDa is that strong atm.
Aela
Profile Joined January 2012
97 Posts
January 26 2012 00:38 GMT
#19
Are you serious? oGs has lost all their top-players. Compared to IM, MVP or even FXO they are just not deep enough. SuperNova is solid, ForGG is ~ we don't know yet, maybe mediocre, maybe great and the rest are mediocre-bad.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 26 2012 00:38 GMT
#20
I'm pretty sure one of these has been made for every team... am I missing something?
The universe created an audience for itself.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 26 2012 00:39 GMT
#21
seeing as how predictions like these tend to jinx the player or team in question, this thread might as well be renamed to "why oGs isn't going to win the GSTL anymore"
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 26 2012 00:40 GMT
#22
oGs has the strongest lineup of stars and veterans, SuperNoVa playing so fierce as well. I think it's time for them to take the crown.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
January 26 2012 00:41 GMT
#23
look at the KSL stats of TheSTC and Supernova. Day 4 of opning series and oGs vs Startale. They are both the best on their team right now
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
January 26 2012 00:41 GMT
#24
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12771 Posts
January 26 2012 00:42 GMT
#25
On January 26 2012 09:38 Mortal wrote:
I'm pretty sure one of these has been made for every team... am I missing something?

No, NsHoseo, IM, SlayerS, MVP and... Should I say ZeNEX? T.T
WriterMaru
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 26 2012 00:43 GMT
#26
oGs NaDa? I dunno if he's been particularly great in SC2.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
January 26 2012 00:44 GMT
#27
There's a big hole in my heart for oGs without MC. =(

Hopefully they will do well.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 26 2012 00:46 GMT
#28
It's oGs-TL. And this thread honestly isn't well done....
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 26 2012 00:49 GMT
#29
Nice write-up, and I agree with you, but WHERE is stc?? Coolest man ever
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Javah
Profile Joined August 2010
France739 Posts
January 26 2012 00:53 GMT
#30
No sane man could disagree with OP. My liquibets will all be done accordingly.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 26 2012 00:57 GMT
#31
Should add some TL players too. Like, I think Zenio, Hero and Jinro can play for OGS.
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Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 26 2012 01:01 GMT
#32
Sorry but Slayers an IM are stacked they have the best shot at winning
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 26 2012 01:01 GMT
#33
Does anyone know for sure if TL are playing with oGs in this GSTL? There is no mention I can find of it on gomtv (just says oGs vs Zenex). Previous seasons it was very clear (oGs-TL rather than just oGs). If someone can confirm I'll update the op with TL details They'd be the secret weapons after all!

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Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
January 26 2012 01:02 GMT
#34
On January 26 2012 09:57 Grumbels wrote:
Should add some TL players too. Like, I think Zenio, Hero and Jinro can play for OGS.

you forgot haypro dude!

and i still dont like this thread. You dont put effort in it and dont even say anything about the players results. TOP was Code S Finalist some seasons ago. Inca was GSL Finalist. Supernova does so freakin good with wins of the best players - going to ro16 wiith leenock,mc and forgg in one group. the STC is bossing since a long time. and he was the boss in beta. etc

this is so sad seems to be a 5 minute writeup with the obvious incajoke. thats not going to do it.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
January 26 2012 01:06 GMT
#35
Nice Write-up, but I think you're wrong. I don't think oGs has strong enough protoss or zerg anymore to beat some of the other teams. If they still had MC then maybe they would stand a chance, but not anymore
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Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
January 26 2012 01:15 GMT
#36
What the hell is going on with all these "Why ... will win GSTL." team-hype threads?
Almost everytime i refresh, a new one popped up in the sidebar.
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courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
January 26 2012 01:17 GMT
#37
MC was 1-2 in the last GSTL. something to think about
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 26 2012 01:17 GMT
#38
On January 26 2012 10:15 Samba wrote:
What the hell is going on with all these "Why ... will win GSTL." team-hype threads?
Almost everytime i refresh, a new one popped up in the sidebar.

Virgil wrote on hell of a good one for TSL, now everyone wants to write one for their favourite teams I guess.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 26 2012 01:17 GMT
#39
On January 26 2012 10:15 Samba wrote:
What the hell is going on with all these "Why ... will win GSTL." team-hype threads?
Almost everytime i refresh, a new one popped up in the sidebar.


People like their favourite teams and wanna hype them up. Besides, hype creates/funnels excitement.
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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
January 26 2012 01:18 GMT
#40
Stop it! What are you doing?! I wanted this team to win! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!

._. the curse of the GSTL.
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Zaxon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium209 Posts
January 26 2012 01:21 GMT
#41
OW jeah ! OGS FTW !!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:22:31
January 26 2012 01:21 GMT
#42
On January 26 2012 09:41 KvltMan wrote:
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D


I think the reason is that people don't have the same attachment to teams in SC2 as we had in BW. With passionate fanboys comes in-depth posts full of knowledge only a true fanboy would know. It's no surprise that the best "Why _____ Will Win the GSTL" post so far was the one made by VirgilSC2 who is one of the few posters on the SC2 side with an extreme affinity towards a particular team (or at least he did until the recent Coach Lee drama). Only a small minority of SC2 posters wear their team colors so boldly whereas on the BW forums it's actually the norm. The main issue here is that proleague was the backbone of professional BW whereas GSTL is just a side show. There is no avenue for heated team rivalries to develop. It also doesn't help that we don't have SC2 team icons to brandish like we do on the BW side.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
January 26 2012 01:35 GMT
#43
That Inca joke still hasn't gotten old for me.XD
Someone call down the Thunder?
Polarexia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States383 Posts
January 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#44
But how can oGs win when TSL will?
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:39:35
January 26 2012 01:37 GMT
#45
Slayers or MVP this season.


BTW what's the word on Fantasy GSTL this season? I got absolutely facerolled last time despite doing pretty well in the liquibet.
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Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
January 26 2012 01:37 GMT
#46
For convenience sake, can someone consolidate all the "Why X Team will win the GSTL" into one thread.

"let your freak flag fly"
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
January 26 2012 01:39 GMT
#47
Needs more on InCa and a loottt more on SuperNoVa
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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
January 26 2012 01:41 GMT
#48
On January 26 2012 10:21 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 09:41 KvltMan wrote:
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D


I think the reason is that people don't have the same attachment to teams in SC2 as we had in BW. With passionate fanboys comes in-depth posts full of knowledge only a true fanboy would know. It's no surprise that the best "Why _____ Will Win the GSTL" post so far was the one made by VirgilSC2 who is one of the few posters on the SC2 side with an extreme affinity towards a particular team (or at least he did until the recent Coach Lee drama). Only a small minority of SC2 posters wear their team colors so boldly whereas on the BW forums it's actually the norm. The main issue here is that proleague was the backbone of professional BW whereas GSTL is just a side show. There is no avenue for heated team rivalries to develop. It also doesn't help that we don't have SC2 team icons to brandish like we do on the BW side.


Or: The 4 or so people who made the SC2 ones are lazier than the 4 or so who made the BW ones.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
January 26 2012 01:46 GMT
#49
On January 26 2012 10:41 ampson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:21 red4ce wrote:
On January 26 2012 09:41 KvltMan wrote:
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D


I think the reason is that people don't have the same attachment to teams in SC2 as we had in BW. With passionate fanboys comes in-depth posts full of knowledge only a true fanboy would know. It's no surprise that the best "Why _____ Will Win the GSTL" post so far was the one made by VirgilSC2 who is one of the few posters on the SC2 side with an extreme affinity towards a particular team (or at least he did until the recent Coach Lee drama). Only a small minority of SC2 posters wear their team colors so boldly whereas on the BW forums it's actually the norm. The main issue here is that proleague was the backbone of professional BW whereas GSTL is just a side show. There is no avenue for heated team rivalries to develop. It also doesn't help that we don't have SC2 team icons to brandish like we do on the BW side.


Or: The 4 or so people who made the SC2 ones are lazier than the 4 or so who made the BW ones.

Yeah, I think this is it lol.

All the threads so far (minus vigils TSL one) trying to hype aren't hyping well due to not enough effort in the OP...If you really put in the effort these threads are really really awesome. But right now they're just meh.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
January 26 2012 01:47 GMT
#50
-.- I had a draft of this going..... Anywayyy. I think you fail to mention that STC and Supernova are powerful aces (where's stc as a standout in your post? O.o, finals of Korean weekly bro) and that oGs has a good team composition with TWO reliable terran aces (who are less liable to fall to cheesy antics in general) and two powerful snipers in ForGG and Inca. Backed by its high level coach (one of only one or two high level korean coaches along with inca and possibly (?) cella?), and pretty strong line of second-string players in Vines (who's finally starting to hit his stride), TOP (who played above expectations in the matches shown in King of Kongs), the upcoming Illusion (or icecream, who won a TL Open), Jookto and Luvsic (two underrated and at least mid-high tier code A players), and NaDa (who barely lost in his tough GSL group) I think the chances of them doing well is unquestionable.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
January 26 2012 01:49 GMT
#51
On January 26 2012 10:47 ImmortalTofu wrote:
-.- I had a draft of this going..... Anywayyy. I think you fail to mention that STC and Supernova are powerful aces (where's stc as a standout in your post? O.o, finals of Korean weekly bro) and that oGs has a good team composition with TWO reliable terran aces (who are less liable to fall to cheesy antics in general) and two powerful snipers in ForGG and Inca. Backed by its high level coach (one of only one or two high level korean coaches along with inca and possibly (?) cella?), and pretty strong line of second-string players in Vines (who's finally starting to hit his stride), TOP (who played above expectations in the matches shown in King of Kongs), the upcoming Illusion (or icecream, who won a TL Open), Jookto and Luvsic (two underrated and at least mid-high tier code A players), and NaDa (who barely lost in his tough GSL group) I think the chances of them doing well is unquestionable.

If I were you I'd finish it if you put a lot of effort into it. I think really well written hype threads are good. I personally think that this is not one of them. So if you feel yours is really good and detailed then please, please finish it
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
January 26 2012 01:50 GMT
#52
^Ok! I'll think about getting it completely up, but it probably wouldn't be in that state until the weekend. We'll see :D I'll get back to work on it ^^
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 26 2012 01:52 GMT
#53
On January 26 2012 10:50 ImmortalTofu wrote:
^Ok! I'll think about getting it completely up, but it probably wouldn't be in that state until the weekend. We'll see :D I'll get back to work on it ^^

Let nothing stand in the way of quality contributions~!

The higher the bar gets raised, the better.
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Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
January 26 2012 01:53 GMT
#54
Zenio, HerO? The oGs-TL is still intact.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
January 26 2012 01:53 GMT
#55
It's a shame I wanted to make a thread about why oGs will actually win the GSTL as a oGsfan from launch but oh well. Maybe I'll make mine in blogs..
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Leifish
Profile Joined July 2011
851 Posts
January 26 2012 02:28 GMT
#56
Without MC, oGs is done for!
ShangMing
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada106 Posts
January 26 2012 02:51 GMT
#57
On January 26 2012 09:38 Mortal wrote:
I'm pretty sure one of these has been made for every team... am I missing something?


It's not done yet. We still need a thread for analyses on every single individual player.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 02:54:06
January 26 2012 02:52 GMT
#58
On January 26 2012 11:28 Leifish wrote:
Without MC, oGs is done for!

pffffffft oGs ain't no one trick pony.
supernova is a threat in all mus, vines and luvsic have been touted since forever as an up-and-coming players, inca is a pvp god, fin is.. for5gg, thestc and top are always threats, and they have the eternal bonjwa. AND THEY HAVE JONGMI yeeeeeee
oGs isn't going anywhere.

edit: I meant "anywhere but up."
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
January 26 2012 03:10 GMT
#59
what about TheSTC?
User was warned for too many mimes.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 26 2012 03:13 GMT
#60
On January 26 2012 09:41 KvltMan wrote:
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D


There IS a good Starcraft 2 one
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
January 26 2012 03:14 GMT
#61
you forgot oGsIllusion.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
January 26 2012 03:16 GMT
#62
T_T I was pulling for oGs, but then MC left.
Zerg delenda est.
MartynX
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom122 Posts
January 26 2012 03:25 GMT
#63
Was about to post that you missed MC, then I woke up... ^^
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
January 26 2012 03:25 GMT
#64
On January 26 2012 12:16 PopcornColonel wrote:
T_T I was pulling for oGs, but then MC left.


yea... without MC oGs just isn't the same.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 26 2012 03:37 GMT
#65
OP just needs to cover the terran lineup of OGS: forgg-NaDa-Supernove-TOP-TheStC
field them in any bo9 and gg
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
January 26 2012 03:40 GMT
#66
AWWWW Yeah. Again, another incorrect opinion about who is going to win the GSTL, but I'm glad everyone is getting hyped and excited for it. Added it to my OP so more people can see how oGs is good, but will eventually fall under the might of FXO. Nice thread man!
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 26 2012 12:24 GMT
#67
Updated the OP with most details, added in TL and also added some of the awesome information put together by ImmortalTofu. See Analysis of why oGs will win GSTL 1 2012 for his full post.

Apologies if the thread disappoints anyone, it was my first time trying anything like this and is all done in fun. And I appreciate the constructive criticism, I've definitely spent a lot longer than 5 minutes putting all the details together (at least a few hours so far!). If anyone has anything specific they think should be added to the OP, let me know and I'll do my best to get it added.

And ImmortalTofu did an amazing job with his thread and you should definitely check it out.

Now let's get this GSTL started already!
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 26 2012 12:33 GMT
#68
great read, I hope TOP will play a lot in the GSTL. love him so much !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 26 2012 13:32 GMT
#69
On January 26 2012 21:33 Yaki wrote:
great read, I hope TOP will play a lot in the GSTL. love him so much !


+1 my fav korean terran :D he's awesome
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
January 26 2012 14:35 GMT
#70
fOrGG will win both the GSTL and GSL code A + S! it took Mvp a little bit of time at the GSL before he acclimated, so let's give forgg a chance to mop the floor
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
January 26 2012 15:12 GMT
#71
I hope for HerO to come out and ALL KILL the shit out of some team so people would just stop abt him being average.

If you watch his stream his is so strong in all his MUs that if he just calms his nerves this isnt impossible. He plays so brilliantly untill he loses a match against someone he feels he shouldn't which usually shakes him up pretty bad.

GSTL will be a great place for him to show his might.
Liquid`HerO!!!
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
January 26 2012 15:31 GMT
#72
What about Banjo?
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 26 2012 15:33 GMT
#73
There's even been rumours of banjo playing being heard from the oGs-TL training house. What could this mean?
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 26 2012 15:40 GMT
#74
If supernova (and perhaps TOP) can carry the team perhaps oGs will pass a round or 2. But If they win the GSTL, I'll eat my left hand.
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 26 2012 15:44 GMT
#75
On January 27 2012 00:40 MrCon wrote:
If supernova (and perhaps TOP) can carry the team perhaps oGs will pass a round or 2. But If they win the GSTL, I'll eat my left hand.


I hope you're hungry!



"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 26 2012 15:48 GMT
#76
On January 27 2012 00:44 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 00:40 MrCon wrote:
If supernova (and perhaps TOP) can carry the team perhaps oGs will pass a round or 2. But If they win the GSTL, I'll eat my left hand.


I hope you're hungry!




I am but I would prefer to keep my hand intact to be honest =)
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
January 26 2012 16:00 GMT
#77
There's even been rumours of banjo playing being heard from the oGs-TL training house. What could this mean?


Hahaha, that line is gold
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 28 2012 06:40 GMT
#78
+ Show Spoiler [GSTL 1/28/12] +
STC brings oGs to 3:1 against Zenex!!!!
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 18:05:24
January 28 2012 18:05 GMT
#79
On January 28 2012 15:40 Blasterion wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [GSTL 1/28/12] +
STC brings oGs to 3:1 against Zenex!!!!



+ Show Spoiler [GSTL 1/28/12] +
Looks like superNova do his ace's job like a boss. He likes his banshees :D
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
January 28 2012 18:18 GMT
#80
On January 26 2012 12:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 09:41 KvltMan wrote:
Even though I really appreciate seeing hype about the upcoming GSTL, these threads don't really seem to have as much effort put in to them as the ones in the BW forum.

Example:
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97708
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167558
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306289
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306314

They just feel uninspired in comparison, and it feels like post like this and the above-mentioned FXO-post feels like posts that people made because they saw one about TSL, and one about Prime (which are well made, I might add.)
But seeing hype-posts without any pictures, tales, memorable quotes, analysis or banners just misses the entire point of hyping shit up, imo.

I am sorry if I come across like a twat and a total asshat, but I don't want this tradition from BW to turn in to something... Well, worse. We all saw what happened with the thread about "Cool unsual SC2" that mimicked the one in the BW-forum?
SC2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199993
BW
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538

So, guys. I am not hating, I just know that we can do better! :D


There IS a good Starcraft 2 one

That is why I actually mentioned it. T_T I'd never BM anything that you do for the SC2 forum.
Get crunk
preZzle
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany223 Posts
February 24 2012 11:19 GMT
#81
On January 26 2012 12:25 Devise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 12:16 PopcornColonel wrote:
T_T I was pulling for oGs, but then MC left.


yea... without MC oGs just isn't the same.


without oGs , MC just isnt the same :S
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