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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
January 15 2012 18:33 GMT
#181
I think Moon has the ability to become a decent Sc2 player, but people saying he's suddenly going to be the best Zerg after a few months are deluding themselves. Wc3 gives him an advantage in micro, but the best Wc3 players have already been overtaken in terms of micro by top Koreans like MKP, MC, Hero, DRG, Leenock, and so on. It's not longer enough to have been really good at micro.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 18:40:51
January 15 2012 18:39 GMT
#182
On January 16 2012 03:33 Shiori wrote:
I think Moon has the ability to become a decent Sc2 player, but people saying he's suddenly going to be the best Zerg after a few months are deluding themselves. Wc3 gives him an advantage in micro, but the best Wc3 players have already been overtaken in terms of micro by top Koreans like MKP, MC, Hero, DRG, Leenock, and so on. It's not longer enough to have been really good at micro.
Moon's strenght in WC3 was not his micro but his extremely innovative strategies. As a former NElf player I have very few strategies that I cannot give credit to Moon for creating. Heck some of the strategies he got up even got nerfed, that's how sick he was.

Zerg needs innovation still,(its the most properly unexplored race as far as timings and pure strategy thinking goes in a non-macro way and Moon has the brain for it if he is going to commit to SC2.
#freeshauni
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
January 15 2012 18:39 GMT
#183
Moon, the savior of Earth. The Fifth race wishes happiness to all.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
January 15 2012 18:44 GMT
#184
It's Moon. Just look at the large head.
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
January 15 2012 18:45 GMT
#185
On January 16 2012 03:33 Shiori wrote:
I think Moon has the ability to become a decent Sc2 player, but people saying he's suddenly going to be the best Zerg after a few months are deluding themselves. Wc3 gives him an advantage in micro, but the best Wc3 players have already been overtaken in terms of micro by top Koreans like MKP, MC, Hero, DRG, Leenock, and so on. It's not longer enough to have been really good at micro.


Your background of any game does not matter. SC2 is different from any game out there. The BW pro's will be the best at SC2 because they know how to practice. The fact that they can send SCV's to mine without rally points won't help them. If Moon practices more efficiently than Nestea/DRG/Leenock, he'll be the best zerg.
critique
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States135 Posts
January 15 2012 18:45 GMT
#186
It's Flash, obviously.
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 15 2012 18:49 GMT
#187
moon is allready playing sc2... why should they announce him with "He's coming"
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
January 15 2012 18:52 GMT
#188
On January 16 2012 03:45 Kluey wrote:
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On January 16 2012 03:33 Shiori wrote:
I think Moon has the ability to become a decent Sc2 player, but people saying he's suddenly going to be the best Zerg after a few months are deluding themselves. Wc3 gives him an advantage in micro, but the best Wc3 players have already been overtaken in terms of micro by top Koreans like MKP, MC, Hero, DRG, Leenock, and so on. It's not longer enough to have been really good at micro.


Your background of any game does not matter. SC2 is different from any game out there. The BW pro's will be the best at SC2 because they know how to practice. The fact that they can send SCV's to mine without rally points won't help them. If Moon practices more efficiently than Nestea/DRG/Leenock, he'll be the best zerg.

I think you underestimate how helpful being used to playing at 500APM is.
smore
Profile Joined February 2010
United States156 Posts
January 15 2012 18:52 GMT
#189
My vote is definitely for moon.
Fnatic needs to take hype classes from EG
Fourn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Greece227 Posts
January 15 2012 18:53 GMT
#190
On January 16 2012 03:49 c0se wrote:
moon is allready playing sc2... why should they announce him with "He's coming"


This.
A man chooses, a slave obeys
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
January 15 2012 18:53 GMT
#191
It's moon. First!! (jk)
Naniwa <3
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 15 2012 18:54 GMT
#192
On January 16 2012 03:53 Fourn wrote:
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On January 16 2012 03:49 c0se wrote:
moon is allready playing sc2... why should they announce him with "He's coming"


This.
Right now Moon is just sending his minions to do his work. This is not the true might of the Fifth Race.

...

Okay, I'll stop being annoyingly fanboy now.
#freeshauni
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
January 15 2012 18:56 GMT
#193
They must name him the forth race now instead.
Naniwa <3
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 15 2012 19:01 GMT
#194
On January 16 2012 03:28 setzer wrote:
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On January 16 2012 03:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:42 Loki57 wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:37 theBALLS wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:30 Loki57 wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:22 theBALLS wrote:
I don't understand the hype behind moon. He was a legendary WC3 player (like grubby), and he hasn't shown much results thus far.

Being a WC3 legend =/= an SC2 legend (for example Grubby, at least not yet)

Truly spoken like somebody who has no idea what they're talking about lol. His accomplishments have already been listed and those all happened while he was only playing sc2 part time. Somebody as good as Moon was obviously has an incredible talent for RTS in general; he will be great at Sc2 too.

I know he has results.

I'm just saying, people are hyping him like he's MVP or Nestea.

He's good, but it's an overhype imo.

The thing is those results happened when he was only devoting half of his time to the game, so it'd be reasonable to assume he could achieve an extremely high level if he was 100% on SC2.


after 3 months of focusing on sc2, he will be 100% better than nestea. i can garatuee you that.

Look at players like Kas, Thorzain, Demuslim, Stephano, violet... while they were good in wc3 and wc3 skill doenst translate 100% to sc2 (dont come with grubby - he said himself hes a very slow learner and he played orc after all and hes still pretty good already), Moon was at LEAST heavily favored vs all of them at all times.

ofc he will be a great sc2 player and in future better than Nestea (dont compare nestea to MVP please...) when he switches fulltime and doesnt play wc3 anymore.
He already was 2nd at dreamhack and only beaten by HuK and honestly, he shouldve won that final if it wasnt for that strange thaldarim version.


Moon was focusing on just SC2 for more than three months when was in GSL and a part of Wemade. The only reason he went back to WC3 was to compete in WCG and now that is over he is back to SC2. Why was it he couldn't get to the top then?

Moon has the potential to be the best in the world but I don't see that being realized under the fnatic tag. Fnatic is a sinking ship and they have no team facility or partnership in Korea for Moon to fully dedicate. He could do better on another team but I could see that limiting his chances of going to international tournaments.

Being on WMF's SC2 team was like being teamless. You heard what Lyn said about practice at that house when he was in the GSL; he had to practice on the ladder all the damn time, pretty much. Not to mention, unlearning skills for a game you've spent so many years of your life living and breathing (and keep in mind that he was in War3 even back in RoC days), and you have someone who's trying to unlearn deep habits, then having to relearn them, and then needing to unlearn them again -- back and forth. And he's going to keep doing that until he chooses a game, unfortunately.

If he wants to stay at a teamhouse, I don't think anybody will say no to accommodating him unless they are really pressed for space. The question is if he wants to go the teamhouse-route though. I think he only got to see his family a few times a week when he was on WMF.

---

People who think that Moon's micro was what made him godly in War3 obviously know nothing about Moon or the War3 scene. He was godly not because he could micro well, but because he played unpredictable and innovative, so much so that it was difficult to practice against him, because nobody really played enough like him. If you listen to Grubby talk about Moon sometimes, he says that he would try to prepare against Moon by playing other NEs, but he would recognize whenever they did something non-Moonlike, which was a problem, so he really ended up having to just try to outthink Moon and his strategies instead.

Also, he was godly, because he practiced a shit ton back in the day. If you think Flash practices a lot, there was a lengthy period of time when Moon's practice hours literally > Flash's practice hours. Yes, I am using "literally" correctly. That is how much he practiced; it was inhuman. I don't think he plays nearly as much these days, but I'm a bit tired of people trying to apply the "pure talent" argument to Moon; he is talented, but a large part of that is because he poured his soul into War3 during the game's heyday, and because he spent so much time just plain thinking about the game. Which incidentally is -- hey! -- just like most top BW players and BW. Who'd have thunk it?
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
January 15 2012 19:05 GMT
#195
looks like moon ;o!
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
monXikk
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland742 Posts
January 15 2012 19:16 GMT
#196
looks like MarineKing after plastic surgery.
yet another IdrA's #1 fan
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
January 15 2012 19:18 GMT
#197
If that's Moon I will go nuts :D
Congrats Fnatic you would have a new fan in me!
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 15 2012 19:22 GMT
#198
could be anyone..
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#199
Moon is already playing? and has done so for like a year? announcing that "he's coming" seems a tad late..
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#200
the deezer fans have finally found a way around the bans? posting his videos without any detail!! clever. ;-)
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