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On January 03 2012 02:22 JOJOsc2news wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2012 02:20 masterbreti wrote:
Almost every foreigner pro with a stream has an account on TL. Do they post a lot, no.
I've seen quite a few though post.
Merz
Select (not so much anymore)
Team Liquid players
incontrol
Darkforce
Idra (most EG players post rarely)
Naruto
Morrow
Naniwa
ClouD
Terran/windy/princess/britney
TT1
Gretorp
tgun
Kawaiirice
thorzain (from time to time)
RaNged
Kyhol
Strelok (very rarely)
Some others I cannot remember
TLO, qxc...
OFC you forgot iNcontrol who posts a lot for a pro. (currently, I know he has like 27K post or something)
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On January 03 2012 01:47 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 23:20 iamke55 wrote:On January 02 2012 23:06 Vekalisk wrote:
There are a rare few that continue to post through the bullshit, but what's the point really if they're just going to get morons criticising them. I hate it how these people go out of their way to try and help the lower levels and get flamed, I'd personally like to hear why someone's strategy might be invalid from a pro rather than a self-proclaimed strategy guru that barely plays the game.
IMO the problem is the all too commonly believed myth that it is possible to understand the game without being good at it. "I am in gold league but I watch the game a lot so I have a good understanding of it." "I know what to do, I just don't have the mechanics." As a result, you have people who know nothing about the game trying to argue with pros. Yes, this is the main problem. It's the same problem that existed in BW (except in BW mechanics holding someone back was actually a real possibility). The average SC2 poster/player is just way too arrogant and overestimates his strategic insight because he watched a few dailies. Humbleness is key.
I know I'm pretty bad compared to pros. Its just so confusing and I'm sure it is for the rest of people playing the game when you go on ladder you play an hour a day and you are beating pros who play 12 hours. Obviously part of the game is luck, pros may be fucking around, etc.. I have to admit though I've bragged to people about beating a some pro on ladder before. Does it mean I'm as good as them no but it definitely makes me think I understand the game better then I do. Especially when I see the greater amount of effort put into the game then I did through the replay. The game just inherently allows for lesser skilled players to beat those of greater skill and its kinda annoying.
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On January 03 2012 02:20 masterbreti wrote:
Almost every foreigner pro with a stream has an account on TL. Do they post a lot, no.
I've seen quite a few though post.
Merz
Select (not so much anymore)
Team Liquid players
incontrol
Darkforce
Idra (most EG players post rarely)
Naruto
Morrow
Naniwa
ClouD
Terran/windy/princess/britney
TT1
Gretorp
tgun
Kawaiirice
thorzain (from time to time)
RaNged
Kyhol
Strelok (very rarely)
Some others I cannot remember
Pokebunny posts quite a bit.
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I feel like the general consensus right now is that the pros either just but hugged or talk to some idiot which makes me wonder if both of those things could be solved by the ban hammer? If we made the strategy section just about strategy and if a bronzie wants to post let them post but they have to do it in a respectful way, and someone can just assume they'll credit where credit is due.
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On January 03 2012 02:52 GiMMiK wrote:
I feel like the general consensus right now is that the pros either just but hugged or talk to some idiot which makes me wonder if both of those things could be solved by the ban hammer? If we made the strategy section just about strategy and if a bronzie wants to post let them post but they have to do it in a respectful way, and someone can just assume they'll credit where credit is due.
I agree and I really hope the pros will keep posting!
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Reddit has a script that adds your SC2 league icon to your posts. I always wondered why TL hasn't done the same. Whenever someone is disagreeing with a pro, its tough to tell if they're bronze league or are a noname high masters/gm. Just because a pro has a name from LAN/stream doesn't mean they're correct 100% of the time.
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On January 03 2012 02:20 masterbreti wrote:
Almost every foreigner pro with a stream has an account on TL. Do they post a lot, no.
I've seen quite a few though post.
Merz
Select (not so much anymore)
Team Liquid players
incontrol
Darkforce
Idra (most EG players post rarely)
Naruto
Morrow
Naniwa
ClouD
Terran/windy/princess/britney
TT1
Gretorp
tgun
Kawaiirice
thorzain (from time to time)
RaNged
Kyhol
Strelok (very rarely)
Some others I cannot remember
BeastyQT post a lot.
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On January 03 2012 03:04 RoboBob wrote:
Reddit has a script that adds your SC2 league icon to your posts. I always wondered why TL hasn't done the same. Whenever someone is disagreeing with a pro, its tough to tell if they're bronze league or are a noname high masters/gm. Just because a pro has a name from LAN/stream doesn't mean they're correct 100% of the time.
Do you just attach your battle.net id to your reddit profile or is there some kind of "proof" that your the owner of the specific account? If not that feature is kinda useless.
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On January 02 2012 18:19 T.O.P. wrote:
Back in the broodwar days, Idra used to post a lot. He's one of the few writing good posts in the strategy forum. SC2 came and he no longer cares.
Its probably more accurate to say that he was surrounded by Koreans and had no one to really talk to and communicate with due to the language barrier, so TL was one of the few ways he got to do so. Now, he's in the SlayerS house w/ HuK and Demuslim, and there are a lot more foreigners in Korea that they can socialize with. In addition, all strategy innovation in BW came from Korea so he had something unique and new to share, and Korea was so far ahead that giving away his builds to foreigners simply didn't matter. On top of all of that, more people ledas to more annoying people, and especially for someone like IdrA, they like to troll and annoy.
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They would like to just post what they want to say and have people enjoy it. Rather, when they post, they have to post 3 more times in the same thread defending their argument from people that have no clue. Then, when others who have a clue post to defend them as well, yet more jump in claiming, "just cuz he's pro doesn't mean he knows everything." and the like.
They know that all that will happen before they even click "post," so why bother? It won't be appreciated anyway.
In short, people, whether they ever did or not, do not know how to argue. Arguing is not for winning, it is for arriving at the correct conclusion. If you argue to win, you are neither wise nor mature. Listen carefully to these two sentences and see if you can tell the difference: 1)Wow, I hadn't thought of that before, are you sure you are correct in supposing the outset? 2) Wow, I'm not even going to glorify that statement with a response; any idiot can see that you're wrong.
One is seeking knowledge, the other is seeking its own.
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Day9, Artosis and Tasteless used to post here like years ago. they just dont post anymore 
Artosis even got a star for so much things he used to post/do here.
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On January 03 2012 03:12 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 03:04 RoboBob wrote:
Reddit has a script that adds your SC2 league icon to your posts. I always wondered why TL hasn't done the same. Whenever someone is disagreeing with a pro, its tough to tell if they're bronze league or are a noname high masters/gm. Just because a pro has a name from LAN/stream doesn't mean they're correct 100% of the time. Do you just attach your battle.net id to your reddit profile or is there some kind of "proof" that your the owner of the specific account? If not that feature is kinda useless.
You just chose race, nothing "high tech".
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wait sheth plays mafia and i never seen him wtf! also he wouldnt vote anyone to die how does he play!
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United States2095 Posts
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whats vote me do im scared tbh
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that was hilarious sheth.
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On January 03 2012 05:06 ComaDose wrote:
that was hilarious sheth.
only thing i think is i said he wouldnt votebut this sint mafia i dont die! (hopefully) ♥
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acting like you don't understand rules = scum tell
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On January 03 2012 05:15 dementrio wrote:
acting like you don't understand rules = scum tell
tbh i dont even know most roles as mafia i just try to pick up tells
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also does that mean im the first person sheth has openly admitted he would kill!
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EPT
