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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
On January 02 2012 23:20 iamke55 wrote: IMO the problem is the all too commonly believed myth that it is possible to understand the game without being good at it. "I am in gold league but I watch the game a lot so I have a good understanding of it." "I know what to do, I just don't have the mechanics." As a result, you have people who know nothing about the game trying to argue with pros. Yes, this is the main problem. It's the same problem that existed in BW (except in BW mechanics holding someone back was actually a real possibility). The average SC2 poster/player is just way too arrogant and overestimates his strategic insight because he watched a few dailies. Humbleness is key. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:32 VoirDire wrote: I think that people should be aware of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The talk of a higher level forum has been discussed for a long time, I think it's time to implement it. LOL, I can't believe this is an actual thing... How convenient to just copy paste this whenever appropriate. | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:46 BushidoSnipr wrote: Why would anyone try to discuss advice with retards who have no grasp of something? I don't see why people think pro's should post more, it just ignites mass dick-sucking and/or flaming. The forum that pros use is a team house, and it should stay that way. I don't even think pros should lurk here, TL is just a community of noobs trying to find an answer to something that pro's already know. i think u right sir  ( | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Tonybarbosa
Australia38 Posts
Am i the only one that notices how often people's good posts go ignored or unnoticed? I think sometimes that many people here seem to be here for entertainment rather than debate or discussion. + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2012 00:14 FLuE wrote: I love how people want eSports to be mainstream, and continue to grow but then are surprised when the natural progression that comes with that growth happens. You can't have it both ways, players that are getting more and more popular/famous and still have that personal interaction to the same degree as say TL BW or early SC2 prior to the popularity boom. I thought that the spoiler'd post was pretty good, for example... but nobody seems to have noticed it. Is the answer that people will do whatever the hell they want to do? Find out in the next episode~~ immediate edit: I rarely post but always lurk and see these unnoticed posts slip into obscurity ^^ | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:41 emc wrote: I think they should create a system that blizzard has where you can specifically see blue posts, or posts by blizz employees. What if TL had this system but instead of just admins of TL it also included pros? would be cool. But for reals, they need a pro only strategy section so we can weed through a lot of the amateur strategies. A pro only strategy form... hell even a gm only strategy form will have to few users posting, you might as well just watch a certain pro stream and see his ladder strategy ( many of them will explain them )rather than wait for him to have enough free time to make a post about it in a "special" forum where only other pros can comment on it and therefor you won't even be able to ask the question you might be able to in stream chat. And then say you extend that forum on "master only", you already have stupid ppl posting, as someone mentioned before the line in sc2 between understanding and just all ining a bunch with good mechanics and having luck is thin and even some of the small names pros are on the "bad" side of it. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:41 emc wrote: I think they should create a system that blizzard has where you can specifically see blue posts, or posts by blizz employees. What if TL had this system but instead of just admins of TL it also included pros? would be cool. But for reals, they need a pro only strategy section so we can weed through a lot of the amateur strategies. That's not happening. They've discussed that to death. They'll get weeded out eventually and of course they branch out to other things. I don't expect the base to stay this way. Sure, we have a few more expansions to go-- Blizzard dragging out the process a little longer, but it will eventually happen. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:52 Tonybarbosa wrote: One thing I've noticed is that whenever someone who isn't a pro makes a good post - a good post being one which could move the discussion forward instead of it stagnating for seven or eight pages - that post is often totally ignored. If a pro makes a post of a similar caliber (which a pro is wont to do because pros are pros because of their understanding and skill in the game), then that post is often picked apart and hated on by people who apparently just wanted to continue discussing the same thing in circles. Am i the only one that notices how often people's good posts go ignored or unnoticed? I think sometimes that many people here seem to be here for entertainment rather than debate or discussion. + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2012 00:14 FLuE wrote: I love how people want eSports to be mainstream, and continue to grow but then are surprised when the natural progression that comes with that growth happens. You can't have it both ways, players that are getting more and more popular/famous and still have that personal interaction to the same degree as say TL BW or early SC2 prior to the popularity boom. I thought that the spoiler'd post was pretty good, for example... but nobody seems to have noticed it. Is the answer that people will do whatever the hell they want to do? Find out in the next episode~~ immediate edit: I rarely post but always lurk and see these unnoticed posts slip into obscurity ^^ I agree. I wrote a pretty good post a few pages ago and it got completely ignored :p That's why I put it in this spoiler again, isn't that great? + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2012 23:36 JOJOsc2news wrote: Ok. I think we need to stop here and take charge of something we love. TL. I can understand the general sentiment among the professional players that posting will expose them to a lot of opinions (both positive/negative and too positive/ too negative) purely based on their popularity. That is a shame! It is a fucking shame that a lot of people are not able to appreciate input and insights from players who do not need to do this. I think the fact that there is still so much communication between the "big ones" and the rest of the community is what makes it so much fun and is one of the reasons why so many people actively contribute to the community. Because they know everyone is contributing above and beyond what they need to, even the pros! As I said before: It is a shame that some people don't seem to be able to appreciate this. Now finally coming to the quote: This sort of resignation is the worst kind of answer to the people who do not show appreciation for the interactions and communication from the pillars of our community. "It's hardly worth it" is the worst thing you can say. This community is definitely worth it and people saying it's not do a worse job than those expressing their "imbecile" opinions. A great majority of us wants to hear from the pros and only a few want to just "own" a pro in an argument (can't even call it an argument most of the time). Why would we bow to the few f(iretr)uckers? I say we encourage all pros to post and show 'em some respect (and that doesn't necessarily mean "Yes, I love you." or "You are always right. I want your babies"). I think we're worth it! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z407/sc2channel/401249_10150453241822968_514567967_8714109_1343929630_n.jpg) Jojo Oh and by the way. I think the TL mods are doing quite a good job at reacting to people insulting pros. Thx! Edit: The wookie Still, I think the interaction with the pro's is something very worthwhile and should be conserved for as long as possible. As a lot of people have pointed out. This will happen less and less with the growing scale of eSports and eSports fame. Calling for Pro-only forums etc. is nonsense in my opinion. Why not try to be civilized and enjoy that the professionals interact with us? | ||
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alwinuz
Netherlands77 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:52 Tonybarbosa wrote: One thing I've noticed is that whenever someone who isn't a pro makes a good post - a good post being one which could move the discussion forward instead of it stagnating for seven or eight pages - that post is often totally ignored. If a pro makes a post of a similar caliber (which a pro is wont to do because pros are pros because of their understanding and skill in the game), then that post is often picked apart and hated on by people who apparently just wanted to continue discussing the same thing in circles. Am i the only one that notices how often people's good posts go ignored or unnoticed? I think sometimes that many people here seem to be here for entertainment rather than debate or discussion. + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2012 00:14 FLuE wrote: I love how people want eSports to be mainstream, and continue to grow but then are surprised when the natural progression that comes with that growth happens. You can't have it both ways, players that are getting more and more popular/famous and still have that personal interaction to the same degree as say TL BW or early SC2 prior to the popularity boom. I thought that the spoiler'd post was pretty good, for example... but nobody seems to have noticed it. Is the answer that people will do whatever the hell they want to do? Find out in the next episode~~ immediate edit: I rarely post but always lurk and see these unnoticed posts slip into obscurity ^^ Your post will be ignored! I guess that's a compliment  Edit: too late.. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:47 RaGe wrote: Yes, this is the main problem. It's the same problem that existed in BW (except in BW mechanics holding someone back was actually a real possibility). The average SC2 poster/player is just way too arrogant and overestimates his strategic insight because he watched a few dailies. Humbleness is key. Nothing to do with SC2 or BW. The average person on the internet is just is just way too arrogant and overestimates his insight, just because he read half of the topic name on an average forum. You can see that as good or bad, but the internet gives people the chance to discuss what they think, no matter if they have a clue or not. TLs moderation policy does something to stop the most idiotic posts, but the effort seems very huge to me and you can't really reach the goal on an open forum. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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Tonybarbosa
Australia38 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:58 JOJOsc2news wrote: I agree. I wrote a pretty good post a few pages ago and it got completely ignored :p That's why I put it in this spoiler again, isn't that great? + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2012 23:36 JOJOsc2news wrote: Ok. I think we need to stop here and take charge of something we love. TL. I can understand the general sentiment among the professional players that posting will expose them to a lot of opinions (both positive/negative and too positive/ too negative) purely based on their popularity. That is a shame! It is a fucking shame that a lot of people are not able to appreciate input and insights from players who do not need to do this. I think the fact that there is still so much communication between the "big ones" and the rest of the community is what makes it so much fun and is one of the reasons why so many people actively contribute to the community. Because they know everyone is contributing above and beyond what they need to, even the pros! As I said before: It is a shame that some people don't seem to be able to appreciate this. Now finally coming to the quote: This sort of resignation is the worst kind of answer to the people who do not show appreciation for the interactions and communication from the pillars of our community. "It's hardly worth it" is the worst thing you can say. This community is definitely worth it and people saying it's not do a worse job than those expressing their "imbecile" opinions. A great majority of us wants to hear from the pros and only a few want to just "own" a pro in an argument (can't even call it an argument most of the time). Why would we bow to the few f(iretr)uckers? I say we encourage all pros to post and show 'em some respect (and that doesn't necessarily mean "Yes, I love you." or "You are always right. I want your babies"). I think we're worth it! + Show Spoiler + Jojo Oh and by the way. I think the TL mods are doing quite a good job at reacting to people insulting pros. Thx! Edit: The wookie Still, I think the interaction with the pro's is something very worthwhile and should be conserved for as long as possible. As a lot of people have pointed out. This will happen less and less with the growing scale of eSports and eSports fame. Calling for Pro-only forums etc. is nonsense in my opinion. Why not try to be civilized and enjoy that the professionals interact with us? Oi, I don't know if you're having a go at me but all i meant to say was that it seems like posters are often ignoring things which can benefit the topic that they are discussing, simply because it is counter to what they say - but when a pro says it they go in all guns blazing. Maybe these guys are just 'Calliclesians' who are only looking out for pleasure so perhaps it is our job to enlighten them by explaining that pleasure and goodness are not the same thing, thus enlightening them and making TL a better place. It's not like my posts were ever ignored~! It has never happened to me!! If you check my post before, which I will now put in spoilers just incase you missed it, you will see that I wasn't referring to one of my own posts + Show Spoiler + One thing I've noticed is that whenever someone who isn't a pro makes a good post - a good post being one which could move the discussion forward instead of it stagnating for seven or eight pages - that post is often totally ignored. If a pro makes a post of a similar caliber (which a pro is wont to do because pros are pros because of their understanding and skill in the game), then that post is often picked apart and hated on by people who apparently just wanted to continue discussing the same thing in circles. Am i the only one that notices how often people's good posts go ignored or unnoticed? I think sometimes that many people here seem to be here for entertainment rather than debate or discussion. + Show Spoiler + I thought that the spoiler'd post was pretty good, for example... but nobody seems to have noticed it. Is the answer that people will do whatever the hell they want to do? Find out in the next episode~~ immediate edit: I rarely post but always lurk and see these unnoticed posts slip into obscurity ^^ Okay, maybe it has happened to me before, but in this case I just wanted people to notice flue's post on page six because it seems to be relevant and well written, yet totally ignored : D | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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dementrio
678 Posts
Someone mentioned 2+2, I think the main reason threads are better there is that the poker hand is in the OP. Despite the purge, 90% of people responding to threads have not watched the replay nor have they ever intended to do so. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
I've seen quite a few though post. Merz Select (not so much anymore) Team Liquid players incontrol Darkforce Idra (most EG players post rarely) Naruto Morrow Naniwa ClouD Terran/windy/princess/britney TT1 Gretorp tgun Kawaiirice thorzain (from time to time) RaNged Kyhol Strelok (very rarely) Some others I cannot remember | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 03 2012 02:07 Tonybarbosa wrote: Oi, I don't know if you're having a go at me but all i meant to say was that it seems like posters are often ignoring things which can benefit the topic that they are discussing, simply because it is counter to what they say - but when a pro says it they go in all guns blazing. Maybe these guys are just 'Calliclesians' who are only looking out for pleasure so perhaps it is our job to enlighten them by explaining that pleasure and goodness are not the same thing, thus enlightening them and making TL a better place. It's not like my posts were ever ignored~! It has never happened to me!! If you check my post before, which I will now put in spoilers just incase you missed it, you will see that I wasn't referring to one of my own posts + Show Spoiler + One thing I've noticed is that whenever someone who isn't a pro makes a good post - a good post being one which could move the discussion forward instead of it stagnating for seven or eight pages - that post is often totally ignored. If a pro makes a post of a similar caliber (which a pro is wont to do because pros are pros because of their understanding and skill in the game), then that post is often picked apart and hated on by people who apparently just wanted to continue discussing the same thing in circles. Am i the only one that notices how often people's good posts go ignored or unnoticed? I think sometimes that many people here seem to be here for entertainment rather than debate or discussion. + Show Spoiler + I thought that the spoiler'd post was pretty good, for example... but nobody seems to have noticed it. Is the answer that people will do whatever the hell they want to do? Find out in the next episode~~ immediate edit: I rarely post but always lurk and see these unnoticed posts slip into obscurity ^^ Okay, maybe it has happened to me before, but in this case I just wanted people to notice flue's post on page six because it seems to be relevant and well written, yet totally ignored : D Oi :D I wasn't having a go at you. I was genuinely agreeing with you and genuinely in love with my post I put in the spoiler. I think it added a lot to the topic and could have stirred up some intellectually challenging stuff. It got ignored again. But hey... I guess that's what happens to posts that are just too good which is proving your point! + Show Spoiler + I am serious! | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 03 2012 02:20 masterbreti wrote: Almost every foreigner pro with a stream has an account on TL. Do they post a lot, no. I've seen quite a few though post. Merz Select (not so much anymore) Team Liquid players incontrol Darkforce Idra (most EG players post rarely) Naruto Morrow Naniwa ClouD Terran/windy/princess/britney TT1 Gretorp tgun Kawaiirice thorzain (from time to time) RaNged Kyhol Strelok (very rarely) Some others I cannot remember TLO, qxc... | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 03 2012 02:22 JOJOsc2news wrote: In 2 of the 3 last threads I made there were posts by TLO, qxc and more. Like I had said. There are more I could not remember. The list is off the top of my head so its nowhere near comprehensive. Also TLO is included with "Liquid players," instead of me listing every single Liquid player. | ||
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sofakng
100 Posts
On January 02 2012 21:14 Jedclark wrote: Perhaps pros/GM players could get an icon or something so they are easily identifiable. GM shouldnt count. its still broken. | ||
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