On December 29 2011 13:33 Fruscainte wrote: Very nice videos, watched ~5 of them so far. My only criticism is this: You seem comfortable on the mic, which is a huge bonus that a lot of "new" commentators don't seem to have, however, you do lose track and stumble a bit at times, or there are some awkward moments of silence. Perhaps previewing games on x4/x8 and taking some small notes before casting so you can have some benchmarks and stay on track? It's a very small criticism, as these are far and few inbetween, but I'm loving this shit. Thank you for casting these games!
I disagree.
Do NOT pre-watch replays, even if you know the eventual victor.
What's wrong with it? Yes, you lose certain excitement and emotion that comes with seeing it for the first time -- but it allows for a much smoother and solid commentary on the flip side and who says you can't be excited for something even though you've seen it before? I'd personally prefer a significantly more smooth commentary with a lot more flow to it rather than a bit more excitement.
That's just me though, I know plenty disagree
Pre-watching replays and then casting them, especially after taking notes about the game would be like pre-watching a football game and then pretending to be an expert analyst before every play.
Part of the skill required behind casting is knowing the signs of certain builds or playstyles, which becomes cheapened when you actually know what happens beforehand, much like part of the skill behind being a football commentator is knowing the signs of certain plays.
The only way to become a football "expert" in the first place is to watch tape over and over again and learn the ins and outs. You don't start out as a pro football analyst, you start out much lower and work your way up with the knowledge and social skills needed to do such on national television.
I think it's the same thing with Starcraft. Yes, ideally, you get someone like Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, Husky, CatzPajamas, HD, Khaldor, whatever who can do all that shit easily. However, not everyone can mimic that same flow as effectively whilst keeping meaningful commentary up. So I think, at least for a time, perhaps reviewing replays for a short time could be extremely beneficial in the longrun as long as they are not clung too for long.
Again, not taking away from this guy. I'm 8 videos in and I'm loving this shit OP.
You have a point, but you're implementing it the wrong way.
Ideally our OP would spend time cold-casting different replays in order to improve, or to watch other casters and note what they do correctly or incorrectly. Football analysts become experts at live-commentary by practicing live commentary, not travelling to the future, obtaining film of the game they're about to cast, and then practicing it before going back in time to, as Bill O'Reilly would say "do it live"
Ya, I have been trying to find a happy medium between both of these. I did some of the games seeing them for the first time, and some with pre-watching. As I get better, I plan to move almost solely to casting without pre-watching. But keeping a good consistent analytical/entertaining commentary while catching everything that happens by yourself is rather rough. I certainly see both sides to the discussion and will continue working towards casting as though it's live, while keeping good commentary in the background.
P.S. I chuckled at the Bill O'Reilly reference ^_^.
Well, the truth is, there isn't always something going on. So you either develop some form of stage-personality, or whatever to keep those dull moments fun or you get awkward silences. That's what separates the good from the bad commentators, in my opinions. The ones who can keep the flow going, even in the awkward boring moments.
This is absolutely brilliant. I was lookin for ZvX matchups, and probably nothing is better than studying Leenoctupus, Thank you for bringing all his VODs together in a single place. much <3
On December 29 2011 13:33 Fruscainte wrote: Very nice videos, watched ~5 of them so far. My only criticism is this: You seem comfortable on the mic, which is a huge bonus that a lot of "new" commentators don't seem to have, however, you do lose track and stumble a bit at times, or there are some awkward moments of silence. Perhaps previewing games on x4/x8 and taking some small notes before casting so you can have some benchmarks and stay on track? It's a very small criticism, as these are far and few inbetween, but I'm loving this shit. Thank you for casting these games!
I disagree.
Do NOT pre-watch replays, even if you know the eventual victor.
What's wrong with it? Yes, you lose certain excitement and emotion that comes with seeing it for the first time -- but it allows for a much smoother and solid commentary on the flip side and who says you can't be excited for something even though you've seen it before? I'd personally prefer a significantly more smooth commentary with a lot more flow to it rather than a bit more excitement.
That's just me though, I know plenty disagree
Pre-watching replays and then casting them, especially after taking notes about the game would be like pre-watching a football game and then pretending to be an expert analyst before every play.
Part of the skill required behind casting is knowing the signs of certain builds or playstyles, which becomes cheapened when you actually know what happens beforehand, much like part of the skill behind being a football commentator is knowing the signs of certain plays.
The only way to become a football "expert" in the first place is to watch tape over and over again and learn the ins and outs. You don't start out as a pro football analyst, you start out much lower and work your way up with the knowledge and social skills needed to do such on national television.
I think it's the same thing with Starcraft. Yes, ideally, you get someone like Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, Husky, CatzPajamas, HD, Khaldor, whatever who can do all that shit easily. However, not everyone can mimic that same flow as effectively whilst keeping meaningful commentary up. So I think, at least for a time, perhaps reviewing replays for a short time could be extremely beneficial in the longrun as long as they are not clung too for long.
Again, not taking away from this guy. I'm 8 videos in and I'm loving this shit OP.
You have a point, but you're implementing it the wrong way.
Ideally our OP would spend time cold-casting different replays in order to improve, or to watch other casters and note what they do correctly or incorrectly. Football analysts become experts at live-commentary by practicing live commentary, not travelling to the future, obtaining film of the game they're about to cast, and then practicing it before going back in time to, as Bill O'Reilly would say "do it live"
Ya, I have been trying to find a happy medium between both of these. I did some of the games seeing them for the first time, and some with pre-watching. As I get better, I plan to move almost solely to casting without pre-watching. But keeping a good consistent analytical/entertaining commentary while catching everything that happens by yourself is rather rough. I certainly see both sides to the discussion and will continue working towards casting as though it's live, while keeping good commentary in the background.
P.S. I chuckled at the Bill O'Reilly reference ^_^.
Well, the truth is, there isn't always something going on. So you either develop some form of stage-personality, or whatever to keep those dull moments fun or you get awkward silences. That's what separates the good from the bad commentators, in my opinions. The ones who can keep the flow going, even in the awkward boring moments.
That's definitely something I think I can fulfill... in time. While I'm happy with what I've done so far, I still feel that I have a lot I can improve on. I'm sure I can provide a unique personality to the community, but I need to get more practice to calm my nerves. Getting this amazing community response is certainly helping with that goal.
On December 29 2011 13:33 Fruscainte wrote: Very nice videos, watched ~5 of them so far. My only criticism is this: You seem comfortable on the mic, which is a huge bonus that a lot of "new" commentators don't seem to have, however, you do lose track and stumble a bit at times, or there are some awkward moments of silence. Perhaps previewing games on x4/x8 and taking some small notes before casting so you can have some benchmarks and stay on track? It's a very small criticism, as these are far and few inbetween, but I'm loving this shit. Thank you for casting these games!
I disagree.
Do NOT pre-watch replays, even if you know the eventual victor.
What's wrong with it? Yes, you lose certain excitement and emotion that comes with seeing it for the first time -- but it allows for a much smoother and solid commentary on the flip side and who says you can't be excited for something even though you've seen it before? I'd personally prefer a significantly more smooth commentary with a lot more flow to it rather than a bit more excitement.
That's just me though, I know plenty disagree
Pre-watching replays and then casting them, especially after taking notes about the game would be like pre-watching a football game and then pretending to be an expert analyst before every play.
Part of the skill required behind casting is knowing the signs of certain builds or playstyles, which becomes cheapened when you actually know what happens beforehand, much like part of the skill behind being a football commentator is knowing the signs of certain plays.
The only way to become a football "expert" in the first place is to watch tape over and over again and learn the ins and outs. You don't start out as a pro football analyst, you start out much lower and work your way up with the knowledge and social skills needed to do such on national television.
I think it's the same thing with Starcraft. Yes, ideally, you get someone like Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, Husky, CatzPajamas, HD, Khaldor, whatever who can do all that shit easily. However, not everyone can mimic that same flow as effectively whilst keeping meaningful commentary up. So I think, at least for a time, perhaps reviewing replays for a short time could be extremely beneficial in the longrun as long as they are not clung too for long.
Again, not taking away from this guy. I'm 8 videos in and I'm loving this shit OP.
You have a point, but you're implementing it the wrong way.
Ideally our OP would spend time cold-casting different replays in order to improve, or to watch other casters and note what they do correctly or incorrectly. Football analysts become experts at live-commentary by practicing live commentary, not travelling to the future, obtaining film of the game they're about to cast, and then practicing it before going back in time to, as Bill O'Reilly would say "do it live"
Ya, I have been trying to find a happy medium between both of these. I did some of the games seeing them for the first time, and some with pre-watching. As I get better, I plan to move almost solely to casting without pre-watching. But keeping a good consistent analytical/entertaining commentary while catching everything that happens by yourself is rather rough. I certainly see both sides to the discussion and will continue working towards casting as though it's live, while keeping good commentary in the background.
P.S. I chuckled at the Bill O'Reilly reference ^_^.
Well, the truth is, there isn't always something going on. So you either develop some form of stage-personality, or whatever to keep those dull moments fun or you get awkward silences. That's what separates the good from the bad commentators, in my opinions. The ones who can keep the flow going, even in the awkward boring moments.
That's definitely something I think I can fulfill... in time. While I'm happy with what I've done so far, I still feel that I have a lot I can improve on. I'm sure I can provide a unique personality to the community, but I need to get more practice to calm my nerves. Getting this amazing community response is certainly helping with that goal.
No problem. Just chiiiiiiiil out and have fun. We have fun when you're having fun, just look at Day9/Husky for proof
Yeah, Slog is a cool dude, I'm really not super sure about the name criticism. That game vs vileState had a really weird ending. I feel that he could have probably won it, his force would have made a fight of it against leenock's at leenock's third. IMO he probably would have taken it.
On December 29 2011 16:49 Lobotomist wrote: Yeah, Slog is a cool dude, I'm really not super sure about the name criticism. That game vs vileState had a really weird ending. I feel that he could have probably won it, his force would have made a fight of it against leenock's at leenock's third. IMO he probably would have taken it.
Haha ya, the name criticism was more meant in good fun. I was serious about not having heard the guys name, but certainly didn't mean it to be offensive.
On December 29 2011 12:48 InternalSync wrote: Dude, you rock! You're highly entertaining and your analysis is spot on, two things that make a great caster imo. Subscribed to your channel, hopefully you wont keep us waiting too long until your next casts. Good luck!
EDIT: forgot to add, you're funny too, love the lings jokes!
I do plan to take a couple of days for a break while I try to figure out what kind of content I want to put up next.
On December 29 2011 11:07 jtixs wrote: This is great man, I'm going to watch all of these and give feedback at the end but greatly appreciate the effort.
nestea at providence next ? =)
If people would be interested in watching another decently long series of a player despite the fact they lose at the end, I would definitely consider this.
Wow, took me a while to get through them all but I love this sort of series. You can learn so much more by focusing on a series of games from a single player. Can't believe Leenock managed such a rampage that mlg...
I made so many bad decisions those two games . Knowing that I was playing Leenock kind of made me want to try to end the game fast, but I should have stayed defensive with the roaches and led it into a macro game... would at least make me look better . First game I should have built a second queen and blocked off my ramp and kept my baneling nest. Nice uploads and great casts though
EPT
. Knowing that I was playing Leenock kind of made me want to try to end the game fast, but I should have stayed defensive with the roaches and led it into a macro game... would at least make me look better 
