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On December 29 2011 23:18 Valikyr wrote:
I don't think it's Moon because it seemed like he wants to focus on WC3 more in his WCG interviews. Maybe the right amount of money could make him change his mind but comparing with his old deals with WeMade FoX etc it seems hard for EG to give a similar deal.
I thought he said it was 50/50.
Then again, wc3 is dying and if there are not enough tournaments he will have to focus on sc2 if he wants to continue being a pro gamer.
Plus, having a salary and team stability would probably go a long way with him.
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On December 29 2011 23:01 mememolly wrote:
Terran are the most dominant race and arguably the easiest to be consistent with
lol excellently disguised balance QQ.
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On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr..
big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful.
so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while.
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On December 30 2011 00:07 Kontys wrote:
More likely most of the outspoken members of this community are foreigners and they want to see foreigner champions.
Do you even realize how stupid this sounds? How can you even give a f*ck about a champions nationality? The best player is supposed to win and it really doesnt matter if hes from Germany, Sweden, America, Korea or anywhere else.
On December 30 2011 00:14 Malaz wrote: EG already has one of my favorite players with Demuslim. I don't want to like EG, please don't add Sen or Moon 
I really hope you are not serious about this...
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On December 30 2011 00:36 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:14 Malaz wrote: EG already has one of my favorite players with Demuslim. I don't want to like EG, please don't add Sen or Moon I really hope you are not serious about this...
Of course I'm serious. EG is the foreign e-sports team I like the least, so naturally I hope players that I really like won't join them. It's the same in every sport. Marco Reuss has been absolutely amazing to watch this Bundesliga season and if he leaves Gladbach at the end of this season I hope he will join Dortmund and not Bayern as I'm an fan of 1860 and hate Bayern and will always cheer against them.
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On December 30 2011 00:49 Malaz wrote:
Marco Reuss has been absolutely amazing to watch this Bundesliga season and if he leaves Gladbach at the end of this season I hope he will join Dortmund and not Bayern as I'm an fan of 1860 and hate Bayern and will always cheer against them.
This is so damn stupid, I dont even know what to say. How can you hate a football club? Has Bayern insulted your mother or what is the reason behind your hate?
Hate is a big word, please dont use it in such ridiculous ways.
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Do you even realize how stupid this sounds? How can you even give a f*ck about a champions nationality? The best player is supposed to win and it really doesnt matter if hes from Germany, Sweden, America, Korea or anywhere else.
Someone not get their hot milk this morning? Favoring nationality is a natural, and standard thing in competitive sports. That's why people root for their country over others, not the greatest team. Otherwise people would root for the Yankees all the time.
So there's nothing wrong with not wanting a Korean on team EG, since it is an ambassador of e-sports and hope for foreigners, Koreans almost win everything anyway.
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On December 30 2011 00:55 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:49 Malaz wrote:
Marco Reuss has been absolutely amazing to watch this Bundesliga season and if he leaves Gladbach at the end of this season I hope he will join Dortmund and not Bayern as I'm an fan of 1860 and hate Bayern and will always cheer against them.
This is so damn stupid, I dont even know what to say. How can you hate a football club? Has Bayern insulted your mother or what is the reason behind your hate? Hate is a big word, please dont use it in such ridiculous ways.
Any sport need this kind of relations people have with the teams. You hate one and you love one, that's healthy for the game.
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On December 30 2011 00:57 SC2NeCro wrote:
Favoring nationality is a natural
You dont know the meaning of the word natural right? Its not natural just because a lot of people do it. Favouring teams/players because of their nationality is irrational and - lets face it - dumb. There is absolutely no reason to do it. So please dont tell me its natural.
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On December 30 2011 00:15 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 23:52 masterbreti wrote:On December 29 2011 23:43 Ventor wrote:
All I know is if they recruit another Korean, when mouz loses to them again, everyone will bash EG because they have korean players. Which isn't right. TL has the same amount of Koreans and get revered for their victories. I guess it's the fact that most of the outspoken members of this community are European and want to see European champions. I think its more that just that. TL has never poached a player on another team before in sc2. EG has done it many times, though have been unsucessful in doing so except in the case of puma and HuK. TL's Koreans have been recruited usually though more than friendly means with both the former team and liquid. from what I understand. Nazgul was approached by TheWind to recruit Zenio. EG does have a bad reputation among the esports scene's. With many of their players having their fair share of haters, and people who dislike their business ethics. Do you know what poach means? You can't poach players. Players think for themselves. Players decide where they want to go.
I know what it means.
When EG offers you a six figure salary that is almost double what most teams can offer you. It becomes a lot more then thinking for themselves. HuK was rather pressured into the situaition. Being that he would be really well off in terms of money.
If EG and TL were offering the same salary to HuK. It would no doubt have changed the outcome of the result of where HuK went.
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On December 30 2011 00:57 SC2NeCro wrote:
[Someone not get their hot milk this morning? Favoring nationality is a natural, and standard thing in competitive sports. That's why people root for their country over others, not the greatest team. Otherwise people would root for the Yankees all the time.
So there's nothing wrong with not wanting a Korean on team EG, since it is an ambassador of e-sports and hope for foreigners, Koreans almost win everything anyway.
Rational people always root for the Yankees. Pride, Prestige, Pinstripes.
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On December 30 2011 00:55 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:49 Malaz wrote:
Marco Reuss has been absolutely amazing to watch this Bundesliga season and if he leaves Gladbach at the end of this season I hope he will join Dortmund and not Bayern as I'm an fan of 1860 and hate Bayern and will always cheer against them.
This is so damn stupid, I dont even know what to say. How can you hate a football club? Has Bayern insulted your mother or what is the reason behind your hate? Hate is a big word, please dont use it in such ridiculous ways.
You don't understand sports do you? Sports creates strong, powerful emotions in people. Emotions that can be seen as irrational by some, but completely normal by others. Nothing is greater than the thrill of watching your team make a comeback versus their most bitter rival. Nothing is more crushing than watching the opposite happen. When the Carolina Panthers lost the Super Bowl I was crushed, angry, and tragically disappointed. But the strong emotions of happiness and hope and pride I felt previous to that on my team's Super Bowl run were worth all the negative feelings I received in the end.
It's the magic of sports. Feel the magic. You'll like it.
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So its December 30 over here, whats the scoop? 
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On December 30 2011 01:05 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:15 seiferoth10 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:52 masterbreti wrote:On December 29 2011 23:43 Ventor wrote:
All I know is if they recruit another Korean, when mouz loses to them again, everyone will bash EG because they have korean players. Which isn't right. TL has the same amount of Koreans and get revered for their victories. I guess it's the fact that most of the outspoken members of this community are European and want to see European champions. I think its more that just that. TL has never poached a player on another team before in sc2. EG has done it many times, though have been unsucessful in doing so except in the case of puma and HuK. TL's Koreans have been recruited usually though more than friendly means with both the former team and liquid. from what I understand. Nazgul was approached by TheWind to recruit Zenio. EG does have a bad reputation among the esports scene's. With many of their players having their fair share of haters, and people who dislike their business ethics. Do you know what poach means? You can't poach players. Players think for themselves. Players decide where they want to go. I know what it means. When EG offers you a six figure salary that is almost double what most teams can offer you. It becomes a lot more then thinking for themselves. HuK was rather pressured into the situaition. Being that he would be really well off in terms of money. If EG and TL were offering the same salary to HuK. It would no doubt have changed the outcome of the result of where HuK went.
shouldn't matter though, unless you feel like huk doesn't deserve that much money. If you think huk deserves his new salary then you should realize that hes losing money by staying on liquid, meaning "players getting poached" should be a good thing because they're getting the money they deserve.
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On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while.
Fair enough. Can't argue with someone who knows the situation more than anyone else. I admit defeat.
EDIT: Question: I guess I got the impression that perhaps foreigner teams have a bit more money than some of the Korean teams. Am I wrong in assuming this? If this is true, would it help mitigate that situation? And what would be your opinion of players in perhaps your teammates shoes such as Axslav of StrifeCro (if you don't mind my asking) Like where would the line be for justifying a player, from a business perspective. I wonder because it seems like it'd be hard to measure exactly how much an individual player is doing for certain sponsor if they aren't obviously on top. (No offense meant towards Ax or Strife, btw. I dig watching both play)
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On December 30 2011 01:06 Witten wrote:
You don't understand sports do you? Sports creates strong, powerful emotions in people. Emotions that can be seen as irrational by some, but completely normal by others. Nothing is greater than the thrill of watching your team make a comeback versus their most bitter rival. Nothing is more crushing than watching the opposite happen. When the Carolina Panthers lost the Super Bowl I was crushed, angry, and tragically disappointed. But the strong emotions of happiness and hope and pride I felt previous to that on my team's Super Bowl run were worth all the negative feelings I received in the end.
It's the magic of sports. Feel the magic. You'll like it.
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport.
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On December 29 2011 17:58 hyperknight wrote:
Only a few hours until everyone realizes that I am the Gregory House of the Starcraft 2 scene and that Ret is indeed leaving Liquid.
Looking forward to this announcement now.
If this announcement is something along the lines of Anna Prosser as the new female esport player of EG, I'm going to first punch my screen and then shoot myself for wasting so much time on the interrogation, deduction and analysis of this announcement.
LMAO!
hahahaha
can't stop laughing. exactly my emotions.
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On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:06 Witten wrote:
You don't understand sports do you? Sports creates strong, powerful emotions in people. Emotions that can be seen as irrational by some, but completely normal by others. Nothing is greater than the thrill of watching your team make a comeback versus their most bitter rival. Nothing is more crushing than watching the opposite happen. When the Carolina Panthers lost the Super Bowl I was crushed, angry, and tragically disappointed. But the strong emotions of happiness and hope and pride I felt previous to that on my team's Super Bowl run were worth all the negative feelings I received in the end.
It's the magic of sports. Feel the magic. You'll like it. What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport.
Ofcourse there are good and bad parts in any rivalry, what we are talking about is the emotions that's created before a game between rivals, how fans cry not just beacuse they lost but also beacuse the other team that you can't stand won. I for example am not a big fan of Idra and I sometimes cheer when he looses and I love it when he rages. But I'm also incredibly loyal towards my swedish heroes and love it more than anything when they accomplish something big. Personally I think rivalries and cheering for your nationality is great since it creates hype and anticipation plus true emotions show when 1 of two teams win.
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On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport.
You're taking it to a negative extreme, when you really don't need to.
Hating clubs is perfectly justified. It might be that they've signed a player you hate (because he's known for cheating, or is a dick, or whatever). It might be that they've constantly beaten the club you support in the past, or that there was some game where they won when they shouldn't have done. It might be that they've constantly vied with your club for trophies and top honours season after season (Real vs Barca), or maybe that they're close by and there's a natural local rivalry (Liverpool vs Man Utd, Rangers v Celtic, AC vs Inter Milan). Or maybe just you got cut up in line once by a handful of guys wearing that team's shirt and you now just associate people who support that club with being dicks.
If you can't understand that, then you clearly just don't understand the nature of people following sports. Negative feelings towards a team are perfectly understandable for a huge variety of reasons, and it's no different than having positive feelings towards a team. Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either.
And maybe occasionally it leads to some really nasty stuff, but for 99% of the time it just produces rivalry and banter, and there's nothing particularly wrong with that. It's not fun if everyone just agrees with everyone else.
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