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On December 30 2011 01:05 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:15 seiferoth10 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:52 masterbreti wrote:On December 29 2011 23:43 Ventor wrote:
All I know is if they recruit another Korean, when mouz loses to them again, everyone will bash EG because they have korean players. Which isn't right. TL has the same amount of Koreans and get revered for their victories. I guess it's the fact that most of the outspoken members of this community are European and want to see European champions. I think its more that just that. TL has never poached a player on another team before in sc2. EG has done it many times, though have been unsucessful in doing so except in the case of puma and HuK. TL's Koreans have been recruited usually though more than friendly means with both the former team and liquid. from what I understand. Nazgul was approached by TheWind to recruit Zenio. EG does have a bad reputation among the esports scene's. With many of their players having their fair share of haters, and people who dislike their business ethics. Do you know what poach means? You can't poach players. Players think for themselves. Players decide where they want to go. I know what it means. When EG offers you a six figure salary that is almost double what most teams can offer you. It becomes a lot more then thinking for themselves. HuK was rather pressured into the situaition. Being that he would be really well off in terms of money. If EG and TL were offering the same salary to HuK. It would no doubt have changed the outcome of the result of where HuK went.
So people dislike EG because EG is using their resources to their fullest potential?
That's hardly a good reason to dislike EG, in my opinion, but okay. If you don't like EG (or the Yankees or whatever token rich sports team you want to refer to) because they have money, fine. But EG did nothing illegal to obtain their acquisitions, which is the important part.
Business is business. If you would like to obtain a player and have something better to offer them than their current team can offer, then it makes all the sense in the world to do just that so that they play for your team. You want to create a good team (whether that means winning things, being visible in the scene, having big personalities, whatever), and so you're going to play to win when it comes to acquiring ideal players.
Obviously, the fans of the old team who lost their player to EG are going to be sour, but that's expected. Sucks for them, but it's not like EG did anything wrong.
EDIT: Anyways, I'm ridiculously excited to see who the new player is! 
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On December 30 2011 01:46 Rosti wrote:
Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either.
So its neither justified nor is it understandable.
If you support a team because you like their playstyle or just because they are good, thats perfectly fine. But if just just love/hate them for no reason, its just stupid and will create unnecessary hate and especially in football it creates violence.
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On December 30 2011 01:59 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:46 Rosti wrote:
Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either. So its neither justified nor is it understandable.
Stop being a cry baby.
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On December 30 2011 02:01 luckylefty wrote:
Stop being a cry baby.
Good argument sir. Where you got that from?
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On December 30 2011 02:01 luckylefty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:59 ES.Genie wrote:On December 30 2011 01:46 Rosti wrote:
Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either. So its neither justified nor is it understandable. Stop being a cry baby.
to be fair, rosti is the real crybaby here. That quoted post reminds me of when 5 year olds get into a big fight because one of them wants to go first on the swing set.
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This attitude of teams and nationalities not mattering makes me think of those neutral guys on Futurama. Keep your emotions out of my e-sports!
They matter to people in pretty much every sport that exists, why should SC2 be any different?
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On December 30 2011 01:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:05 masterbreti wrote:On December 30 2011 00:15 seiferoth10 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:52 masterbreti wrote:On December 29 2011 23:43 Ventor wrote:
All I know is if they recruit another Korean, when mouz loses to them again, everyone will bash EG because they have korean players. Which isn't right. TL has the same amount of Koreans and get revered for their victories. I guess it's the fact that most of the outspoken members of this community are European and want to see European champions. I think its more that just that. TL has never poached a player on another team before in sc2. EG has done it many times, though have been unsucessful in doing so except in the case of puma and HuK. TL's Koreans have been recruited usually though more than friendly means with both the former team and liquid. from what I understand. Nazgul was approached by TheWind to recruit Zenio. EG does have a bad reputation among the esports scene's. With many of their players having their fair share of haters, and people who dislike their business ethics. Do you know what poach means? You can't poach players. Players think for themselves. Players decide where they want to go. I know what it means. When EG offers you a six figure salary that is almost double what most teams can offer you. It becomes a lot more then thinking for themselves. HuK was rather pressured into the situaition. Being that he would be really well off in terms of money. If EG and TL were offering the same salary to HuK. It would no doubt have changed the outcome of the result of where HuK went. So people dislike EG because EG is using their resources to their fullest potential? That's hardly a good reason to dislike EG, in my opinion, but okay. If you don't like EG (or the Yankees or whatever token rich sports team you want to refer to) because they have money, fine. But EG did nothing illegal to obtain their acquisitions, which is the important part. Business is business. If you would like to obtain a player and have something better to offer them than their current team can offer, then it makes all the sense in the world to do just that so that they play for your team. You want to create a good team (whether that means winning things, being visible in the scene, having big personalities, whatever), and so you're going to play to win when it comes to acquiring ideal players. Obviously, the fans of the old team who lost their player to EG are going to be sour, but that's expected. Sucks for them, but it's not like EG did anything wrong. EDIT: Anyways, I'm ridiculously excited to see who the new player is!
-.- This is the mentality I agree with... I mean do you expect EG with its 8 gazillion sponsors to not buy any players?
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On December 30 2011 02:08 Bagi wrote:
This attitude of teams and nationalities not mattering makes me think of those neutral guys on Futurama.
They matter to people in pretty much every sport that exists, why should SC2 be any different?
Somehow the people on this forum, don't see to understand simple things like this. Boggles my mind.
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On December 30 2011 01:59 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:46 Rosti wrote:
Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either. So its neither justified nor is it understandable. If you support a team because you like their playstyle or just because they are good, thats perfectly fine. But if just just love/hate them for no reason, its just stupid and will create unnecessary hate and especially in football it creates violence.
It's often true in the more established games that people will pass on the teams that they support to their kids, who will then grow up supporting the team, and have the hopes and disappointments of the team kind of ingrained in them, and will not necessarily be able to give any concrete reason for liking a team other than "I just do"
In first generation fans of something, like we all are in the e-sports scene since it's so new, people are getting to make their decisions based on entirely logical things: my favorite player is on this team, so I like them, or I like the things they do for the community, or whatever else. This doesn't make the other kind of fandom wrong.
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On December 30 2011 01:59 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:46 Rosti wrote:
Maybe teams I hate didn't directly do anything to me to make me hate them, but then most of the teams I support didn't really do anything to make me support them either. So its neither justified nor is it understandable. If you support a team because you like their playstyle or just because they are good, thats perfectly fine. But if just just love/hate them for no reason, its just stupid and will create unnecessary hate and especially in football it creates violence.
I'm not sure what you don't get about sports. Do you not follow any sort of professional, collegiate or high school sports at all? The reason entertainment focuses heavily on sports is due to the connections people feel with a team, whether it be due to their location, school (if applicable), the players on it, etc. It is human nature to rally around something in any sort of competitive environment, and the obvious choice is to rally around a team that represents your region, school, etc.
When we look at SC2, we have a scene that is growing rapidly and carrying eSports on its back. Whether you like it or not, SC is developing like other sports; people are rallying around teams and players. It is good for the scene. It creates a fan base, it makes players like IdrA and HuK worth what they are, and it brings in sponsors+viewers. It gives people a reason to watch, and THAT is how SC2 will become mainstream, not by having some forum troll saying "lolol why doez u support a team n hatez dur rival brah brah?"
I don't know why you feel the need to harass this person for displaying typical human connection to a sports team. It is really pretty basic on every level of understanding. Please, stop trying to come off as intelligent when you have no point to be made.
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On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport.
This.
I still remember what some asshole tried to do to Puma at gamescom, how people looked at me for cheering for him, and I really fear for the day where this hate becomes standard in Starcraft as well.
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If people don't support competitors national ties, how the hell do the Olympics work?
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On December 30 2011 02:19 Sandtrout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport. This. I still remember what some asshole tried to do to Puma at gamescom, how people looked at me for cheering for him, and I really fear for the day where this hate becomes standard in Starcraft as well.
What happened with Puma at gamescom ?
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On December 30 2011 02:21 SkullZ9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:19 Sandtrout wrote:On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport. This. I still remember what some asshole tried to do to Puma at gamescom, how people looked at me for cheering for him, and I really fear for the day where this hate becomes standard in Starcraft as well. What happened with Puma at gamescom ?
In his match against Socke someone was constantly trying to point at Puma's eyes with a laser. After some time, the casters had to tell the audience that everybody would need to leave the hall if it didn't stop so Puma and Socke could play their game.
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On December 30 2011 02:20 imjorman wrote:
If people don't support competitors national ties, how the hell do the Olympics work?
Quoted for truth.
It's all nationalism. Why do I root for American players? Because they're fuckin from America! I'd be really surprised if ES.Genie doesn't feel any kind of national ties to TLO or HasuObs or Socke. You can say something like "Oh that guy's skill is incredible, he's earned this win." But not having at least a little bit of hope for the underdog is kind of surprising, especially if it's someone from your nation.
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On December 30 2011 02:24 Sandtrout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:21 SkullZ9 wrote:On December 30 2011 02:19 Sandtrout wrote:On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport. This. I still remember what some asshole tried to do to Puma at gamescom, how people looked at me for cheering for him, and I really fear for the day where this hate becomes standard in Starcraft as well. What happened with Puma at gamescom ? In his match against Socke someone was constantly trying to point at Puma's eyes with a laser. After some time, the casters had to tell the audience that everybody would need to leave the hall if it didn't stop so Puma and Socke could play their game.
I think he means when Bitterdam was introducing Socke, but said that he didn't really want to introduce Puma and at the end the crowd only cheered for Socke.
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On December 30 2011 02:24 Sandtrout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:21 SkullZ9 wrote:On December 30 2011 02:19 Sandtrout wrote:On December 30 2011 01:30 ES.Genie wrote:
What are you even talking about? Have you ever read the comments under a Barca vs Real(or even Schalke vs Dortmund) video on YouTube? Have you never seen fans of different clubs beating the shit out of eachother? If thats your understanding of sports...well I really dont want competitive Starcraft to be seen as sport. This. I still remember what some asshole tried to do to Puma at gamescom, how people looked at me for cheering for him, and I really fear for the day where this hate becomes standard in Starcraft as well. What happened with Puma at gamescom ? In his match against Socke someone was constantly trying to point at Puma's eyes with a laser. After some time, the casters had to tell the audience that everybody would need to leave the hall if it didn't stop so Puma and Socke could play their game.
WTF, what an idiot to do that, i can't understand such a mentality... Even Socke was probably very angry about this stupid shit
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On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:
Do you not follow any sort of professional, collegiate or high school sports at all?
I do follow football, but Im not a fan of any special team. If there is a chance that Ill see a good match, Ill definitely watch it, but I dont care if team A or team B wins.
On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:
It is human nature to rally around something in any sort of competitive environment, and the obvious choice is to rally around a team that represents your region, school, etc.
The obvious choise is to support the best team(s). Why would you support a team from your region it performes bad?
On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:When we look at SC2, we have a scene that is growing rapidly and carrying eSports on its back. Whether you like it or not, SC is developing like other sports; people are rallying around teams and players. It is good for the scene. It creates a fan base, it makes players like IdrA and HuK worth what they are, and it brings in sponsors+viewers. It gives people a reason to watch, and THAT is how SC2 will become mainstream, not by having some forum troll saying "lolol why doez u support a team n hatez dur rival brah brah?"
So whats your point? "We need to hate eachother, because otherwise eSports wont grow!" Seems legit.
On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:It is really pretty basic on every level of understanding.
So its basic on every level of understanding to hate something for no reason? Well acutally...its not.
On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:Please, stop trying to come off as intelligent when you have no point to be made.
Ahh come on. If you want to discuss, stop writing this kind of meaningless bs. It makes you look really really dumb and immature.
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On December 30 2011 02:26 GuiltyJerk wrote:
I'd be really surprised if ES.Genie doesn't feel any kind of national ties to TLO or HasuObs or Socke.
No I really dont. I cheer for Hasu and Socke because they are really nice guys, good players and I like their attitude. Their nationality has nothing to do with that.
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On December 30 2011 02:34 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:
Do you not follow any sort of professional, collegiate or high school sports at all? I do follow football, but Im not a fan of any special team. If there is a chance that Ill see a good match, Ill definitely watch it, but I dont care if team A or team B wins. Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:
It is human nature to rally around something in any sort of competitive environment, and the obvious choice is to rally around a team that represents your region, school, etc. The obvious choise is to support the best team(s). Why would you support a team from your region it performes bad? Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:When we look at SC2, we have a scene that is growing rapidly and carrying eSports on its back. Whether you like it or not, SC is developing like other sports; people are rallying around teams and players. It is good for the scene. It creates a fan base, it makes players like IdrA and HuK worth what they are, and it brings in sponsors+viewers. It gives people a reason to watch, and THAT is how SC2 will become mainstream, not by having some forum troll saying "lolol why doez u support a team n hatez dur rival brah brah?" So whats your point? "We need to hate eachother, because otherwise eSports wont grow!" Seems legit. Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:It is really pretty basic on every level of understanding. So its basic on every level of understanding to hate something for no reason? Well acutally...its not. Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 02:12 Detrimentally wrote:Please, stop trying to come off as intelligent when you have no point to be made. Ahh come on. If you want to discuss, stop writing this kind of meaningless bs. It makes you look really really dumb and immature.
We're not saying to irrationally hate people. You say hate each other, we say support someone who you share something with. I share national ties with some of these players, ergo I want to see them win. As a guy stated above, it's the reason the Olympics can exist.
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Lol anything EG related goes from related news to EG hate very quickly. Personally love EG, love the players they have and I'm looking forward to finding out their next player...
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