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Halo: Reach, StarCraft 2, and Call of Duty: Black Ops pros have weighed in; see who they think is the best among them, and vote to tell everyone if you agree!
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/stride/proschoice2011#sc2-01
You get to vote for 1 of 3 people. There are fun categories like "Stride Longest Lasting Player," and "Best Showmanship," but your traditional categories like "Best T/P/Z"
I mean I don't think it means much but it was fun to see and it was fun to vote (actually it was fun to vote like 8 times because they didn't make it limited to 1 vote per computer XD)
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Lol 60% huk for best protoss hahahahahaa. And Hero and Huk nominees for best overall player? what?...
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Best chesse, PuMa 1st place lol.
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If MC doesn't win "Best Showmanship," I just don't know then...
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Interesting, I wish there were more choices though, some of the players I felt should win a category weren't even there.
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Dunno how some of these players are even nominated lol
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On December 23 2011 10:56 zerious wrote:
Dunno how some of these players are even nominated lol
And plus it seems you can vote an unlimited number of times.
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What the actual f***? How in the hell can I vote for "Best Sportmanship" award when I have to choose 1 out of White-Ra, Boxer and Sheth? Whoever made this poll and gave us only 1 vote is a grandmaster troll... Only way out of this is to rig the voting to make it end 33% for all 3...
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On December 23 2011 10:56 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:56 zerious wrote:
Dunno how some of these players are even nominated lol And plus it seems you can vote an unlimited number of times.
Pros already voted. The first, second, third places are the Pros' picks. The fan voting is just on the side I think.
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On December 23 2011 10:58 Ucs wrote:
What the actual f***? How in the hell can I vote for "Best Sportmanship" award when I have to choose 1 out of White-Ra, Boxer and Sheth? Whoever made this poll and gave us only 1 vote is a grandmaster troll... Only way out of this is to rig the voting to make it end 33% for all 3...
You can vote as much as you want.
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On December 23 2011 10:59 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:56 Olinimm wrote:On December 23 2011 10:56 zerious wrote:
Dunno how some of these players are even nominated lol And plus it seems you can vote an unlimited number of times. Pros already voted. The first, second, third places are the Pros' picks. The fan voting is just on the side I think.
Hmm I see.
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The legitimacy of this entire poll is null and void if MC does not win best showman.
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Some nominations are really weird...
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this reminds me of those things at the end of a highschool yearbook.
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Haha, voting as much as you want ... fun----
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On December 23 2011 10:48 Olinimm wrote:
Lol 60% huk for best protoss hahahahahaa. And Hero and Huk nominees for best overall player? what?...
This is relative to performance in MLG. These players did the best in MLG. Huk won two of them. Got a problem still?
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pro choice....hahahahahhahahaah
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On December 23 2011 11:20 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:48 Olinimm wrote:
Lol 60% huk for best protoss hahahahahaa. And Hero and Huk nominees for best overall player? what?... This is relative to performance in MLG. These players did the best in MLG. Huk won two of them. Got a problem still?
If it's relative to performance in MLG why in the hell is Hero in the "Best Overall Player" Category?
Why is Nestea in "best zerg" when he's been to ONE MLG and didn't do amazingly?
I don't see anywhere where it says that, link me to the statement and I'll retract mine.
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Best Zerg: Nestea isn't even close to being in first place (he's in third of three, after DRG and IdrA).
Best Protoss: MC isn't even close to being in first place (he's also in third of three, after HuK and Naniwa).
Best Player: MVP is obviously in first, but the other two choices are HuK and Hero.
This has to be a trolling series of polls. These are absurd.
Unless they aren't talking about SC2 players and their achievements in all of SC2 or something? Maybe some subset like just in MLG? But Stephano is listed as a top breakout player, July is in the running for aggressive, and White-Ra is shown as innovative (and while all of those are true, none are relevant to MLG per se). There are other players here that have nothing to do with MLG, but instead in all of SC2.
There are so many ridiculously wrong players in here >.>
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They say pros voted, but can someone tell me how MLG classified a pro?
Is it anyone who competed in MLG or do they have to be on a team or what?
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On December 23 2011 11:33 wklbishop wrote:
They say pros voted, but can someone tell me how MLG classified a pro?
Is it anyone who competed in MLG or do they have to be on a team or what?
I believe it's top 64 in MLG rankings.
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They don't have slush on best cheese lol, to quote Artosis he is a "low income specialist!"
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The pros paid as much attention to these choices as NFL players do to the pro bowl special team picks....
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Nestea didn't win best zerg? o.O
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Them Huk fangirls and fanboys
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Pretty fun to do the voting, however I wish there were more options for some of the categories.
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My thoughts:
Breakout player: Deservedly won by Leenock. Not sure why Stephano is even on the list when he only attended 1 MLG and placed 18th.
Most underrated: Doesn't the fact that Haypro won this by such a large margin prove he's not underrated? Should have gone to Slush. And why the hell is MC even an option?
Best Zerg: The pros are right on this one. DRG placed higher than Idra at all 3 MLG's he attended.
Best Protoss: On the other hand, I think the fans are right on this one. All 3 nominees finished as the highest placing protoss in an MLG, but Huk was the only one who actually won one and Naniwa's Providence run was more impressive than any of MC's runs.
Best Terran: Sorry MMA fans, MVP placed higher in both MLG's where they both attended.
Best Macro: Would have loved if Idra were an option just to see exactly how highly the general SC2 community thinks of his macro.
Best Overall Player: Not complaining about MVP winning, but why was Hero a nominee while Naniwa who finished #1 in ranking points isn't?
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On December 23 2011 13:42 red4ce wrote:
My thoughts:
Breakout player: Deservedly won by Leenock. Not sure why Stephano is even on the list when he only attended 1 MLG and placed 18th.
Most underrated: Doesn't the fact that Haypro won this by such a large margin prove he's not underrated? Should have gone to Slush. And why the hell is MC even an option?
Best Zerg: The pros are right on this one. DRG placed higher than Idra at all 3 MLG's he attended.
Best Protoss: On the other hand, I think the fans are right on this one. All 3 nominees finished as the highest placing protoss in an MLG, but Huk was the only one who actually won one and Naniwa's Providence run was more impressive than any of MC's runs.
Best Terran: Sorry MMA fans, MVP placed higher in both MLG's where they both attended.
Best Macro: Would have loved if Idra were an option just to see exactly how highly the general SC2 community thinks of his macro.
Best Overall Player: Not complaining about MVP winning, but why was Hero a nominee while Naniwa who finished #1 in ranking points isn't?
Where does it say it's based exclusively on MLG results? I too thought it would be like that, but judging by the top 3 for each category I can't imagine that's the case.
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From the title i thought MLG had started supporting abortion clinics.
+ Show Spoiler +Should be Pros' Choice Awards. 
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cannot believe hero isn't in the longest lasting player
Hero vs. Sheth
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On December 23 2011 13:45 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 13:42 red4ce wrote:
My thoughts:
Breakout player: Deservedly won by Leenock. Not sure why Stephano is even on the list when he only attended 1 MLG and placed 18th.
Most underrated: Doesn't the fact that Haypro won this by such a large margin prove he's not underrated? Should have gone to Slush. And why the hell is MC even an option?
Best Zerg: The pros are right on this one. DRG placed higher than Idra at all 3 MLG's he attended.
Best Protoss: On the other hand, I think the fans are right on this one. All 3 nominees finished as the highest placing protoss in an MLG, but Huk was the only one who actually won one and Naniwa's Providence run was more impressive than any of MC's runs.
Best Terran: Sorry MMA fans, MVP placed higher in both MLG's where they both attended.
Best Macro: Would have loved if Idra were an option just to see exactly how highly the general SC2 community thinks of his macro.
Best Overall Player: Not complaining about MVP winning, but why was Hero a nominee while Naniwa who finished #1 in ranking points isn't? Where does it say it's based exclusively on MLG results? I too thought it would be like that, but judging by the top 3 for each category I can't imagine that's the case.
I don't think it says that anywhere but the poll is on MLG's website and only players who participated in MLG were nominated. Based on that I feel like voting should be done based on MLG results exclusively so that's what I did.
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hahaha mvp won like half the awards xD
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I don't know what you guys are complaining about. Most of them seem pretty fair to me, but consistent bottom place results are overrided by top level results even if it's just for 1 event and I think that's fair.
Also, idk why but the way the slides work it hurts my eyes.
Meh, I guess the 2nd and 3rd choice awards could have been better. If the pros picked it it's probably not because of pure MLG results.
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Haypro got most underrated! That run last MLG was truly awesome!
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How did MLG classify "pros"?
I was shocked that the three choices for best player was MVP Huk Hero. The last two don't come close, not until they do well in the GSL. I can maybe see Huk/Hero as best Protoss, but neither are top 10 overall player imo.
As for most creative, how did TLO not get on that list? And Sjow ranked above Boxer, wtf?
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On December 23 2011 10:55 Subztance wrote:
Interesting, I wish there were more choices though, some of the players I felt should win a category weren't even there.
QFT. How does MMA not get mentioned when it comes to multitasking? Naniwa isn't know for timings? I'm curious how they are getting the pro's opinions and who these 100's of pros are.
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the best showmanship award is unfair. all of them deserve it
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I don't particularly like the choices for some of these like best cheese should be a build same with most creative the best sportsmanship also, I wanted to vote for the guy who threw two games against WhiteRa after WhiteRa got a DQ but alas he wasn't there They also probably could've had a best korean best non korean and best team categories.
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On December 23 2011 13:53 .kv wrote:cannot believe hero isn't in the longest lasting player Hero vs. Sheth
EXACTLY. That was pure heart.
I'm hero biased so yeah, no comment.
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Those are ridiculous categories what the hell.
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wtf? why was mvp 70% voted best macro? he's constantly over queueing scvs(sometimes to 4 at each cc), macro slips to 1000 more than three times before the 20 minute mark passes, just general stuff like that he really lacks on.
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On December 23 2011 14:20 TBone- wrote:
wtf? why was mvp 70% voted best macro? he's constantly over queueing scvs(sometimes to 4 at each cc), macro slips to 1000 more than three times before the 20 minute mark passes, just general stuff like that he really lacks on.
Is this a joke??
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On December 23 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 14:20 TBone- wrote:
wtf? why was mvp 70% voted best macro? he's constantly over queueing scvs(sometimes to 4 at each cc), macro slips to 1000 more than three times before the 20 minute mark passes, just general stuff like that he really lacks on. Is this a joke??
It's not a joke.
MVP frequently queues, banks a lot of resources, and misses SCVs unintentionally all the time.
He's far from perfect.
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If only Jjakji was in the best micro awards :x
I don't agree with most of the 'pro' picks. Under-rated player even considered MC? NesTea losing to DRG & IdrA as best Zerg? MKP is a more aggressive player then July? How is MKP's micro better then MMA's some of these are a little weird in my opinion, but who am I to speak.
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"Best cheese" and puma is a candidate... lol ez autovote
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On December 23 2011 14:28 MonkSEA wrote:
If only Jjakji was in the best micro awards :x
I don't agree with most of the 'pro' picks. Under-rated player even considered MC? NesTea losing to DRG & IdrA as best Zerg? MKP is a more aggressive player then July? How is MKP's micro better then MMA's some of these are a little weird in my opinion, but who am I to speak.
But the Pros actually voted for them. That's what make them the "Pros' Choice Awards". The Top players got emails and voted for these picks.
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Haypro for most underrated player! Gogo! \o/ Until Providence so many who simply never saw the boss within him.'
Edit: And afterwards so many who thought it was just a fluke performance.
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On December 23 2011 10:59 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:56 Olinimm wrote:On December 23 2011 10:56 zerious wrote:
Dunno how some of these players are even nominated lol And plus it seems you can vote an unlimited number of times. Pros already voted. The first, second, third places are the Pros' picks. The fan voting is just on the side I think.
Exactly
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On December 23 2011 10:52 Naded wrote:
Best chesse, PuMa 1st place lol.
Seriously his 1/1/1 is so deadly T_T
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This is a disgrace how is boxer not in the best cheese category, he almost took Idra out in a bo5 with cheese alone! :D And Huk has nothing to do in top 3 wtf.
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Best overall player: 1) MVP, 2) Hero, 3) Huk.
Some very tough choices to be made here >_<.
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Some of these polls don't make any sense to me.
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Hero third as "best showman"?? Wtf teamliquid?? Stop voting you damn fanboys, please!
Hero plays the game and nothing more. Idra & Mc play the game and entertain people off game. Idra is not even on that top 3 lol.
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On December 24 2011 02:21 Jusba wrote:
Hero third as "best showman"?? Wtf teamliquid?? Stop voting you damn fanboys, please!
Hero plays the game and nothing more. Idra & Mc play the game and entertain people off game. Idra is not even on that top 3 lol.
the top 3 were chosen solely by the pros.
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obv have to vote HuK as top 3 control.
oh wait 
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Some of these choices id say are not accurate at alll
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oh great, puma voted by pros and 70 % of people as the best cheeser and I got banned on TL for saying he's known for it
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On December 24 2011 02:23 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 02:21 Jusba wrote:
Hero third as "best showman"?? Wtf teamliquid?? Stop voting you damn fanboys, please!
Hero plays the game and nothing more. Idra & Mc play the game and entertain people off game. Idra is not even on that top 3 lol.
the top 3 were chosen solely by the pros.
Oh thanks for noting that. It still doesn't make sense tho :p.
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Leenock breakout player lol what? Hes been big for ages.
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pros thought: VOTE FOR ALL THE TEAMMATES .... watch EG dumbing vote on idra/huk/puma
personally i think if there is an award in sc2, the academy need to be consist of pros(10%), commentators(20%) and team managers(20%) plus communities writer (20%), event organizer (20%) and community vote(10%).
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No Boxer for Best Showman? Criminal.
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The nominees seem completely arbitrary for the most part.
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most underrated player is SlusH...
best cheese PuMa with 71% buhahahahahha.
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best sportmanship:
sheth
boxer
whitera
how the hell am I supposed to choose?
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MVP was winning every vote he is in when I checked
Completely deserved.
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On December 24 2011 02:21 Jusba wrote:
Hero third as "best showman"?? Wtf teamliquid?? Stop voting you damn fanboys, please!
Hero plays the game and nothing more. Idra & Mc play the game and entertain people off game. Idra is not even on that top 3 lol.
Honestly I think Idra is one of the most boring players to watch. Passive macro macro macro, with a rare all-in. I'll take the three chosen over Idra any day of the week.
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On December 24 2011 02:43 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 02:21 Jusba wrote:
Hero third as "best showman"?? Wtf teamliquid?? Stop voting you damn fanboys, please!
Hero plays the game and nothing more. Idra & Mc play the game and entertain people off game. Idra is not even on that top 3 lol.
Honestly I think Idra is one of the most boring players to watch. Passive macro macro macro, with a rare all-in. I'll take the three chosen over Idra any day of the week.
yeah but I would think that the "showman" would be out of game as well. and idra is definitely a great showman in the sense that he entertains his fans through his trashtalk and overall personality
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That Puma pic cracks me up.
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sportmanship award was hardest one to vote.
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They shouldn't have fired the writing staff, these polls make no sense O_o !
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On December 23 2011 10:48 Olinimm wrote:
Lol 60% huk for best protoss hahahahahaa. And Hero and Huk nominees for best overall player? what?...
HuK probably has the best MLG placings of any protoss this year
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I can't believe they put Huk and Hero next to MVP as "Overall Best Player". Lol at Puma as the best cheeser.
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best sportsmanship, thats like the hardest to pick xD
I cant believe Slush isnt winning the most underrated..Haypro only had a breakout this last MLG while slush was top list close to every MLG..
Both are really good tho, but I feel like Slush performed better overall in this season.
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Makes no sense if people can vote as much as they can. It just takes one obsessive fan to make it broken.
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Bomber nominated in Inovative ? ..
The guy is crazy good but he play standart as hell.
And Bomber not in Best macro.. TT
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To clarify, the results were dictated by pro votes. The Top 64 MLG SC2 players based on rank points were eligible to vote and be voted for.
The community voting is a side thing, as many have speculated.
Feedback on categories for next year is always welcome.
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On December 23 2011 13:42 red4ce wrote:
My thoughts:
Breakout player: Deservedly won by Leenock. Not sure why Stephano is even on the list when he only attended 1 MLG and placed 18th.
Most underrated: Doesn't the fact that Haypro won this by such a large margin prove he's not underrated? Should have gone to Slush. And why the hell is MC even an option?
Best Zerg: The pros are right on this one. DRG placed higher than Idra at all 3 MLG's he attended.
Best Protoss: On the other hand, I think the fans are right on this one. All 3 nominees finished as the highest placing protoss in an MLG, but Huk was the only one who actually won one and Naniwa's Providence run was more impressive than any of MC's runs.
Best Terran: Sorry MMA fans, MVP placed higher in both MLG's where they both attended.
Best Macro: Would have loved if Idra were an option just to see exactly how highly the general SC2 community thinks of his macro.
Best Overall Player: Not complaining about MVP winning, but why was Hero a nominee while Naniwa who finished #1 in ranking points isn't?
Naniwa won the first one so he has a 1 and a 2 place finisher ^^
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On December 24 2011 02:35 ArtisaBang wrote:
most underrated player is SlusH...
best cheese PuMa with 71% buhahahahahha.
lol where is the VODs for this? is it 11/11 rax or something lol.
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On December 24 2011 03:32 wOrD yO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 02:35 ArtisaBang wrote:
most underrated player is SlusH...
best cheese PuMa with 71% buhahahahahha. lol where is the VODs for this? is it 11/11 rax or something lol.
you should watch any protoss against PuMa,it's 111
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Nani longest lasting f'real f'real.
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best sportsmanship is so hard
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Guess who got 2nd place for Micro in the world? Top 3 control, baby, certified!
Also, now I kinda get Puma's hair meaning: + Show Spoiler +
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I think Nestea is just overhyped by fans and casters. Pros seem to think other zergs are better. Idra vs Nestea in the Global invitational was really close too. I think Leenock is probably the best zerg right now. Nestea just has the best record in the gsl, but it doesn't really seem like he's improving as much as leenock.
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How can MC be first on best protoss lol...
Nani had the best MLG season of any protoss, and huk on a close second...
Edit: And HerO nominated for best overall player haha wtf... He played like 1 MLG?
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Huk for best timing doesn't really make sense. I mean, he's a great player but he relies more on aggression and micro than timing attacks.
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On December 24 2011 19:57 Ninjahoe wrote:
How can MC be first on best protoss lol...
Nani had the best MLG season of any protoss, and huk on a close second...
Edit: And HerO nominated for best overall player haha wtf... He played like 1 MLG?
No, he attended every MLG after he joined Liquid.
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Lol when I got to best sportsmanship I was like da faq?
How can you choose between the 3 most mannered players to have ever existed
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This poll proves that Huk has top 3 control
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some of these nominees so doesn't belong on this list -.-
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On December 24 2011 02:16 Derez wrote:
Best overall player: 1) MVP, 2) Hero, 3) Huk.
Some very tough choices to be made here >_<.
MVP best overall player of all those guys, easy choice imo
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On December 24 2011 20:22 HaXXspetten wrote:
some of these nominees so doesn't belong on this list -.-
Pros voted on these. It just really goes to show who is overhyped by fans, and who is actually respected by pros.
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hehe, MC 82.74% for Best Showman.
Still don't get how he didn't win Best Ceremonies during Blizzard Cup finals.
edit: ROFL Puma for best cheese np
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well, puma definitely will win the cheese category.
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On December 24 2011 20:41 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 20:22 HaXXspetten wrote:
some of these nominees so doesn't belong on this list -.- Pros voted on these. It just really goes to show who is overhyped by fans, and who is actually respected by pros.
and that's why the list is awesome.
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Voted for Puma for cheeser award.
Hate that guy so much, always does some lame early game rushes.
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well about the Puma and cheese... what else would you choose? Out of those 3 Puma really can cheese the best (July relise more on (constant) aggression and rain isn't really that succuesful by cheesing like Puma). But that doesn't mean Puma only cheeses. He has a far better macro game imo and on of the best ghost control.
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82% for MC on showman! :D
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No Naniwa or Leenock in best overall player wtf. Joke poll IMO
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On December 24 2011 20:41 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 20:22 HaXXspetten wrote:
some of these nominees so doesn't belong on this list -.- Pros voted on these. It just really goes to show who is overhyped by fans, and who is actually respected by pros.
HerO best showman? He's a great player, but he's overwhelmed and visibly shaken everytime he gets on a big stage, how is that showmanship?^^
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On December 24 2011 19:57 Ninjahoe wrote:
How can MC be first on best protoss lol...
Maybe because he is the best protoss ? Just look at what did he do in blizzard cup, compared to nani and hero...
You can be as suspicious as you want but MC have been a strong protoss for a year now, and no protoss is near his achievements GSL-wise...
Btw I don't know why he isn't in best timings, his 2-base timings are so scary...
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HuK is in top 3 for micro, hehe
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On December 24 2011 21:31 kubiks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 19:57 Ninjahoe wrote:
How can MC be first on best protoss lol... Maybe because he is the best protoss ? Just look at what did he do in blizzard cup, compared to nani and hero... You can be as suspicious as you want but MC have been a strong protoss for a year now, and no protoss is near his achievements GSL-wise... Btw I don't know why he isn't in best timings, his 2-base timings are so scary...
Huk might be a better choice if the polls were considering performances in MLG only, but that doesn't explain why Nestea is a 'Best Zerg'.
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Maybe this isn't just mlg results? but overall all tournaments
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Good to see Mvp dominating the awards
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On December 24 2011 21:43 DoNotDisturb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 21:31 kubiks wrote:On December 24 2011 19:57 Ninjahoe wrote:
How can MC be first on best protoss lol... Maybe because he is the best protoss ? Just look at what did he do in blizzard cup, compared to nani and hero... You can be as suspicious as you want but MC have been a strong protoss for a year now, and no protoss is near his achievements GSL-wise... Btw I don't know why he isn't in best timings, his 2-base timings are so scary... Huk might be a better choice if the polls were considering performances in MLG only, but that doesn't explain why Nestea is a 'Best Zerg'.
it's based on pro player votes.
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poor puma getting such high percentage of best cheese lol. lot of angry protoss. agree with the mvp overall best, even though he's lost recently in big tournaments.
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I don't really get this. I'd like to know who was on the panel for this.
First one I saw was Leenock for breakout player and it's not much of a breakout at all.
I wouldn't publish the other nominees either. (DRG 2nd for longest lasting? What in the blue hell?)
I think I've seen enough. Not even going to bother looking at the rest.
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Why isn't MMA even in the category best multitasker?
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On December 24 2011 23:05 NunedQ wrote:
Why isn't MMA even in the category best multitasker?
Ask JP, or the pro's who did the voting.
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Who did theese? this is madness. MC 3rd underrated player? MC is still by most considered best protoss in the entire world, and he is also by far the most achieved toss there is.. most unpredictable= boxer wtf?? and kiwikaki innovative?? he only takes other builds but just does many builds..
his the least innovative player wtf is this :S
also, best macro player= mvp?? everyone knows that bomber is by far best macro player in the world, and his not even there..
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I'm sorry but some of these are totally off. Best protoss = Naniwa? Naniwa had a good show this year but he did not put up the results that HuK or MC did. People are too bias and want someone from their own country / continent to win, so they default to that person over the more suited person.
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MMA not an option for best multitasking? And DRG winning best Zerg -_- how can that NOT be Nestea... please explain it to me DRG voters
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The best thing about the sportsmanship poll is that if you asked the 3 they would all say the other 2 were equally the best sportsman.
On December 24 2011 23:05 NunedQ wrote:
Why isn't MMA even in the category best multitasker?
Or Bomber.
On December 24 2011 23:34 romanov wrote:
MMA not an option for best multitasking? And DRG winning best Zerg -_- how can that NOT be Nestea... please explain it to me DRG voters
Watch the Blizzard cup, right now Nestea is probably the third best Zerg with Leenock 2nd and DRG 1st. Now I don't know why Idra is in the list, I expected the public vote to be higher than deserved but not the pro vote. I guess they asked a lot of EG players or something.
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On December 24 2011 23:37 Eufouria wrote:
Watch the Blizzard cup, right now Nestea is probably the third best Zerg with Leenock 2nd and DRG 1st. Now I don't know why Idra is in the list, I expected the public vote to be higher than deserved but not the pro vote. I guess they asked a lot of EG players or something.
I don't think this is about current form. More an allround thing no?
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Is anyone else having trouble viewing this in IE?
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Hero nominated for the ceromony award? What in the fuck? When has hero ever not just stood there nervously after winning a game lol.
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Longest lasting player? ez White Ra at MLG Anaheim i think.
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On December 24 2011 23:50 Geordie wrote:
Hero nominated for the ceromony award? What in the fuck? When has hero ever not just stood there nervously after winning a game lol. Hero has been a showman through his baller play. But he aint got shit on Min Chul.
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Boxer not nominated for most innovative? He only destroyed the meta-game and an entire MLG season with hellions. But hey, that isn't much right?
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The nicest player?
-WhiteRa
-Sheth
-Boxer
How am I supposed to pick one?! HOW?!
edit: So that's why MLG fired half of their staff  moniez for rewards, lawl
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On December 23 2011 13:42 red4ce wrote:
My thoughts:
Breakout player: Deservedly won by Leenock. Not sure why Stephano is even on the list when he only attended 1 MLG and placed 18th.
Most underrated: Doesn't the fact that Haypro won this by such a large margin prove he's not underrated? Should have gone to Slush. And why the hell is MC even an option?
Best Zerg: The pros are right on this one. DRG placed higher than Idra at all 3 MLG's he attended.
Best Protoss: On the other hand, I think the fans are right on this one. All 3 nominees finished as the highest placing protoss in an MLG, but Huk was the only one who actually won one and Naniwa's Providence run was more impressive than any of MC's runs.
Best Terran: Sorry MMA fans, MVP placed higher in both MLG's where they both attended.
Best Macro: Would have loved if Idra were an option just to see exactly how highly the general SC2 community thinks of his macro.
Best Overall Player: Not complaining about MVP winning, but why was Hero a nominee while Naniwa who finished #1 in ranking points isn't?
not sure if serious, but naniwa did win dallas (26-2) the last non-korean mlg. he didnt just have one 2nd place finish.
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On December 24 2011 20:06 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 19:57 Ninjahoe wrote:
How can MC be first on best protoss lol...
Nani had the best MLG season of any protoss, and huk on a close second...
Edit: And HerO nominated for best overall player haha wtf... He played like 1 MLG? No, he attended every MLG after he joined Liquid.
Okay so like 2?
Still not even close to best overall player lol, his placings is not even close to most others.
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On December 24 2011 23:17 Ventor wrote:
I'm sorry but some of these are totally off. Best protoss = Naniwa? Naniwa had a good show this year but he did not put up the results that HuK or MC did. People are too bias and want someone from their own country / continent to win, so they default to that person over the more suited person.
If these votes are based on MLG results there is no question about it, NaNi was definitly the protoss with best results.
MC not even close
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Being a Leenock fan I am disappointed that Leenock isn't in the "Best Zerg" vote. To be fair, he is better than IdrA :/ Even though I really like Idra and stuff Leenock is hands down the better player so weird to see him not getting a place as the Best zerg.
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agreed, this is more like the choice of professional trolls. mvp #1, okay, but hero #2? hahaha...
TL should start a real kind of poll, and not with too many categories.
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such a fun poll would be cool if winner got 50 dollors for the prize
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On December 25 2011 02:20 shadymmj wrote:
agreed, this is more like the choice of professional trolls. mvp #1, okay, but hero #2? hahaha...
TL should start a real kind of poll, and not with too many categories.
Professional SC2 players do seems trollish.
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They should do an awards show like the GSL
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I think the concept of pro's choice is a poor one for esports. We, the viewers, should be choosing everything. The foreign scene needs to understand that the pros work for us, not the other way around. We shouldn't give them so much power. Their focus should be on showing good games to us, and we should decide what we like and don't like. I think we already have an issue with people overvaluing the opinions of pros. Even if they are more qualified to decide these sorts of things accurately, I think it's out of place. Foriegn esports right now is sort of built on top of worshiping celebrities and I think we could stand to remember that they are supposed to be our servants. At least, that's how it aught to be, in my opinion.
Having soapboxed on that, I think it is cool to have people voting on this sort of thing. Great when GSL has done these things, and good for MLG to do it.
Edit: Where is Leenock on the best Zerg category? What are these pros thinking. He's been to the same number of tournaments as Nestea right? But he won it. As far as MLGs, Leenock totally showed the best play.
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Shouldn't Tyler be the Stride Longest Lasting Player?
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On December 24 2011 21:37 Cyro wrote:
HuK is in top 3 for micro, hehe
Hahahaha.
(also just wanted to point out, I think this stuff was for performance at mlg, not overall, so someone like bomber who was only at one or maybe two mlgs might not be on the list)
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On December 25 2011 02:43 strongandbig wrote:Hahahaha. (also just wanted to point out, I think this stuff was for performance at mlg, not overall, so someone like bomber who was only at one or maybe two mlgs might not be on the list)
Then why was Nestea in best zerg instead of Leenock? Why are Hero and Stephano under breakout player? Especially Stephano who did poorly at the only MLG he attended.
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No Bomber for best macro? :<
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On December 25 2011 02:30 Gfire wrote:
I think the concept of pro's choice is a poor one for esports. We, the viewers, should be choosing everything. The foreign scene needs to understand that the pros work for us, not the other way around. We shouldn't give them so much power. Their focus should be on showing good games to us, and we should decide what we like and don't like. I think we already have an issue with people overvaluing the opinions of pros. Even if they are more qualified to decide these sorts of things accurately, I think it's out of place. Foriegn esports right now is sort of built on top of worshiping celebrities and I think we could stand to remember that they are supposed to be our servants. At least, that's how it aught to be, in my opinion.
Having soapboxed on that, I think it is cool to have people voting on this sort of thing. Great when GSL has done these things, and good for MLG to do it.
Edit: Where is Leenock on the best Zerg category? What are these pros thinking. He's been to the same number of tournaments as Nestea right? But he won it. As far as MLGs, Leenock totally showed the best play.
The pros picks are the ones that give the most telling info. If the viewers chose everything it would just be fan favorites in every category. I think it's much more telling to see DRG voted best zerg by Pros than Nestea voted best zerg by fans.
Also, I don't think these are based only on MLG results because pros would just vote honestly based on everyone. But you guys need tor remember they could only vote from the top 64 from MLG rankings. And only the top 64 were eligible to vote.
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Dude... This is REALLY strange (don't want to straight up say stupid). Longest lasting player, I don't doubt Naniwa is top 5, but the other two don't really belong there. Mvp and MMA should be there, as well as some other players (MMA and Mvp being top 10, but I'm not sure for final standing).
Breakout player, ABSOLUTELY Leenock. He came out of nowhere, took MLG Providence, went to the GSL finals, and did pretty well in the Blizzard Cup. Stephano and Hero had WAY more hype on them (though maybe the fact that I didn't like Leenock because he 6 Pooled NaDa and had my ears covered as a result). To be honest, Hero is still in Code A. Sure he went deep in some other nice FOREIGN tournaments, but he still hasn't broken into Code S. Stephano... If he went deeper into the Blizzard Cup, I suppose he'd be a good consideration, but he hasn't really been as consistent as Leenock since his breakout tournament win (though Leenock's results have slowly gone down in terms of how he places). I'm going to have to say Leenock is the clear victor here. I'd say the other breakout player is MMA. He took a GSL finals off of Mvp (tired or not, he still trampled Mvp) and gave us the BEST (yes, I said BEST) GSL finals (or, Blizzard Cup finals) to end the year with. Granted, I feel the average quality of game definitely favors Leenock vs Jjakji (basically EVERY game in that series was DAMN GOOD, whereas MMA vs DRG was both good and bad followed by an epic game on a Terran favored map with DRG fighting to make a comeback 3 times).
Aggressive goes to MKP. This is the guy who does random timings for God's sake! MC gets ballsiest player (NASL S1 finals last game says it all), but he doesn't attack at random timings. JulyZerg is an aggressive player, no doubt, but he's not as volatile or unpredictable as MKP. MKP is so aggressive and volatile, he has a habit of doing timing attacks at the WORST possible times as well as the best possible times. Seriously, how much more aggressive can you be when you attack headlong into a loss?
Underrated player, goes to Slush. I only heard of Slush as being a player who created these ridiculous all ins called something like "slush all ins" or something. Then he was placing high at MLGs and I was like "seriously?! This guy who I hear is cheesy as fuck??" MC shouldn't be there. He's not underrated. Maybe when he fell off the map he was, but it's not like he's not in the back of people's minds. Haypro, feels a bit meh to me, but he does pull out results. This is a bit personal choice for me. I really didn't expect much out of Slush, so he surprised me more than Haypro. I sort of expected more from Haypro (being from Liquid`).
Unpredictable playercan go either to MKP or BoxeR (funny how they once shared the same name). MarineKing can really just make you go WTF. BoxeR just comes in with new builds and upsets. If you think he's out and done, he wins and beats a bunch of players "he shouldn't". He still fails to take a tournament, but he always goes unexpectedly far when people doubt him. MKP on the other hand, is more unpredictable in the game itself. This guy went Speed Reapers+Hellions against CheckPrime and wrecked him. He then proceeded to go mass Thor and lost. This guy... Random attack timings, random builds, random everything except performance. He's been underperforming as of late, but you expect(ed) this guy to go far and take #2. BoxeR you sort of expect to lose in the second round, but instead he goes on to take #3. So this really goes by how you define an unpredictable player. Both come up with new build orders (MKPs being more original and wonky, and BoxeR's being more crisp, game-changing, and solid), but MKP's unpredictability in a game is matched only by BoxeR's unpredictability in a tournament... I'm going with BoxeR on this one because MKP has several other nominations that he absolutely will win in a sane world and this is BoxeR's only nomination. The Emperor doesn't require handouts, but I'm recognizing that even past his prime, The Emperor is a force to not be taken lightly.
Now for innovative, this is another horribly retarded one. Kiwikaki (in retrospect) isn't necessarily innovative. This was talked about on either state of the game or inside the game or some similar show. Kiwikaki does random things, does it a few hundred times, and either has a gold nugget or a turd in his hand. People only give him credit for the gold and never the turds. Granted, he did change PvZ with the Mothership until it got nerfed, but since then I haven't seen much out of him. Too much poker perhaps? Then WhiteRa absolutely isn't innovative. Using Warp Prisms since the beta and doing nothing else doesn't make you innovative, it makes you different, it makes you unique. It DEFINES you, gives you a certain flair, a certain style. None of these descriptions come anywhere close to being innovative. Other than using Warp Prisms since the beta until they FINALLY became popular when they got buffed, what do people have to support an argument to say WhiteRa is innovative? And I don't think Bomber is innovative. He's just different. If he's massively ahead, he'll troll you with 100 years of nukes. Hell, he's realized it's so fun that he does it all the time now. And in TvZ, he might've started the mass Marine/Medivac style. He's the first one I've seen do it, and he's been doing it for a while and only now are other's starting to do it (like fOrGG). Don't give me crap like "MKP was the first to go mass marines!" MKP was the first to go for early Marine pressure as well as using Marines as the core unit of his army and having Tanks to support them. Bomber is just taking that a step further and going pure Marines with Medivacs, which only works now that Zergs have realized making 40 Banelings and 20 Zerglings with 20 Mutalisks dies to a dozen Tanks and a ton of pre-split Marines, so Zergs have gone for fewer Banelings in the army (which I like from a Zerg perspective, since players tend to throw away Banelings then think they are massively more ahead than they are). Less Banelings=more Marines. So out of the 3, I'd say Kiwikaki wins. But as for who our 3 nominees should've actually been... MKP, absolutely. He REVOLUTIONIZED TvZ. And he STILL comes up with wonky builds and styles that become mainstream. BoxeR (or perhaps the SlayerS team as a whole) also deserves to be there. Remember the Blue Flame Hellion shenanigans? Thank you BoxeR for fixing TvT! Since the nerf, Biomech has returned to mainstream use, though mech hasn't died. I really wish Mech would be used more than it currently is, but I want biomech to stay in use. I don't like the pure bio concept (it's good, I just don't like playing with out tanks), and though I like mech, it isn't something I want to use every freakin' game. NesTea has also changed the way ZvZ is played (with his Ultralisk and Mutalisk plays back when he was a ZvZ God). Hell, with how unpredictable his ZvZ was, NesTea should've had a nomination for most unpredictable player (though he'd get #3).
Best Zerg... Now this is a bit tough. DRG has been performing as of late... But I still don't feel comfortable with his ZvP and ZvZ. Statistically, ZvP is his best matchup, and he's much better than when he cheesed oGs out of the GSTL by doing a Roach bust on MC in the semifinals. But his ZvZ...I don't feel as comfortable picking him as I'd feel comfortable picking NesTea (slump or not, playing poorly or not; though give me a few months and I might change my mind). DRG's ZvT has been beautiful since I first saw the entirety of it (the first time I saw it, I came in on a ton of Banelings rolling over MKP's arming and winning him the game). But since then, he hasn't looked like the ZvT God I believed him to be. He looks quite human now. Whether that was a result of the metagame shift from 2 Rax to Reactor Hellion expand or not, I can't say. Though overall, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think DRG is a great Zerg player. I don't think he's worthy to win a GSL yet. I still think he needs to develop his game a little bit more and get back to that insane ZvT form that NEARLY took out MMA in the GSTL finals (and it was merely 1 mistake that lost him the game). IdrA is good, but it feels like he's just a fan pick. He's improved a lot, no doubt, but I still don't think he's ready to be called the best zerg. Nestea is the former undisputed owner of the best zerg crown. Now it's a bit of a toss-up. Whether he just isn't taking things seriously anymore, his style has been figured out (like MC), or he's sick; I can't explain why he's where he is aside from some glaringly poor decisions in key moments of his matches. He seems to have a tendency to max out on a unit and try to A-move to victory (note his reliance on a retarded amount of Banelings then Broodlords in the Blizzcon finals). I can't give the title of best Zerg to a player like that. HOWEVER, I have more confidence in his ZvP and his ZvZ than I do in DRG's. Even if I feel less confident in his ZvT, the fact is ZvT is his worst matchup (or most human matchup). So overall, he SHOULD be the best (in top form), but as it is now, I have to go with DRG, since Nestea is looking more amateur than just plain human.
Best protoss is a bit tough... They seem to specialize in one matchup, and otherwise be flipping coins for victory. However, I am overall most impressed with Naniwa's play. His PvZ is actually scary good. MC relies on insanely good control to win. Naniwa relies on insanely good decisions WITH insane control to win. HuK... Top 3 control isn't going to win you a GSL. Good job on ending the foreigner drought at MLG and beating MC to do it, but I still gotta go with Naniwa on this.
Best Terran... Now this is hard... Again, Bomber doesn't belong here... He's just too inconsistent. Is he good? Hell yes. Is he always good? Hell no. Mvp vs MMA. I suppose we only care about #1 and #2, and both are right here. Mvp has been dominating for a majority of the year. MMA has broken out and shown his dominance towards the last third or quarter of the year. In their recent meetings, MMA has com out on top. So, who's the better Terran? Both have TvP as their worst matchups, with Mvp being better at the matchup. I would have to say TvZ goes to MMA. I mean, his name is basically Marine/Medic abuser. Mvp is great at being greedy or doing sick timings, both being polar opposites which throw opponents off guard. MMA is just generally a steady macro player in the matchup. So with one matchup going to one or the other, it falls down to TvT. When MMA winning their recent engagements, MMA has the better overall game. But I feel that without the Blue Flame nerf, Mvp would come out on top, being the current king of mech (as well as the only mech player). MMA said himself, that although he's winning and doing very well right now, Mvp had the better year by far. So do we go by year to date or do we go by who is currently the better player? MMA BARELY eeks out the better player category, and since I chose DRG over NesTea, I'm going to have to use the same logic and pick the better player and choose MMA.
Best macro... Now that's tough... I don't know if we should even have Mvp there. Is he a good at macroing? He's DAMN good. But the thing is, there are high eco macro players, and low eco macro players. MMA is more of a high eco macro player and Mvp is more of a low eco macro player. What do I mean by this? High eco macro players generally get 55-65 SCVs. Low eco macro players get 40-50 SCVs, drop MULEs like mad, and constantly attack to force the game into a low economy state so that the MULEs will pull the player ahead (Mvp offered this concept as a tip to players struggling with the TvZ matchup, and boy when you're spending those extra 50 minerals every 17 seconds on Marines, it helps). Puma would be another low eco macro player. After a certain point, he basically stops making SCVs unless ABSOLUTELY necessary (like he has 6 SCVs left and wants to mine gas). And another high eco Terran would be NaDa (though he's sort of borderline sometimes, but at least he doesn't ever sit at the 40-something SCV mark). So now that we've discussed the difference between high eco and low eco macro, can we consider a low eco macro player to still have the best macro? Mvp likes the low eco style against Zerg because he knows that no matter how good he is, he can't outproduce workers against a professional Zerg player, so his alternative is to constantly attack to try and do damage while also forcing army production, the fundamental concept of early-mid TvZ. But Mvp is the guy who if he saw his Terran opponent also go for a CC first or 1 Rax FE, he would drop a second CC. Mvp definitely macroes well, but he will also go for greedy builds which helps you to outmacro your opponent if you don't get punished (which rarely happens to Mvp because he also frequently goes for high pressure builds). Nestea is the player who perfectly macros his way out of losing a Hatchery when going 15 Hatch against a 2 Rax, so he's definitely up there. He's great at getting an advantage with his macro and defense, but has no idea (as of late) of what to do with it when he ahs it. DRG was a total beast at macroing whether you attacked him or not. This is why he was so scary to play against. But neither NesTea or DRG have really played like that recently. So I guess the best macro goes to Mvp? Why do I feel dirty for doing this? Maybe it's because of those darn MULEs not only pumping the Terran economy but also Mvp's position as a macro player.
Best micro... MKP, HuK, and MMA... MMA should be swapped with someone else, but I'm not sure who. MC? Nah... HuK should be swapped out for MC or Naniwa. Top 3 control bitches!!! (Behind Naniwa and MC). MMA is good at microing, but I feel like he's more of a hard macro player with aggressive builds and tendencies (multidrops ftw). Either way, MKP... The man who revolutionized TvZ and turned it into a battle of the squishies versus the squishies. Hurray for the man who broke TvZ!
Best timing... Let's just keep this short and sweet... Mvp. He comes at you with some of the sickest timing pushes when he's not looking to straight up outmacro you. The guy is deadly no matter how you approach him in a game. The only one I could possibly put anywhere close to him would be MKP (both though luck or skill depending on whether he scouted or not) and fOrGG who did a mech timing push at... 9 minutes? 10 minutes? In a TvT... Yeah... Banshees pretty good at killing shit and crippling players...
Multitasking... Well, DRG fell to MMA's multitasking SEVERAL times... So I can't put him in (though he's VERY good at unit positioning). I'd have to say MMA or Mvp would deserve this. MMA destroys you by forcing you to multitask. Mvp (back when it was mech vs mech) did the same to MMA. If MMA was nominated, this would be much harder. But he's not, so Mvp is a clear winner here (Jesus, if i didn't barely edge to MMA for Best Terran, Mvp would basically have swept all the categories he's been nominated for, though we know everyone will vote Mvp for Best Terran anyway).
Best showman... Has Hero or HuK done anything? Have they done it consistently? This clearly goes to MC. He's no FireBatHero, but he always does SOMETHING. He'll bang on the window of your booth, he'll give you the cutthroat gesture, he'll get in your face BEFORE AND AFTER the match. Granted it might not be the most mannered way to approach your games, but boy does it create something for the fans to enjoy! MC, regardless of how many people hate you for it, I will enjoy your antics until you actually go too far and break a guy's head in with a hammer or something. On another note, I think the guy who Hadoukened IdrA (was that MMA?) and the guy who busted out his nun-chucks (however you spell that) in the GSTL when his teammate won deserve notice.
Best sportsmanship... This is another one of those truly tough ones... Sheth, always with the manner smile attached to his ggs. WhiteRa, always being mannered. And BoxeR... Well he's pushed eSports this far and it wasn't through just his skill, but his character as well. All 3 are great people. But, for that extra touch of nice, I'll give Sheth the win for his smiley faces. I know there was someone else who did that though... Oh, and for humble speeches after a loss, we'd have to give it to incontrol. Was it overkill when he dumped his guts out on a table and bowed down to Losira? Yeah.... Quite a bit so... Was it polite? Very... But again, it was so overkill that it feels a bit fake (though I'm sure he meant 90% of it). It's just that he doesn't do it every freakin' game he loses like Sheth does with his smiley faces. So no matter what, Sheth takes the win.
Best Overall Player... Mvp... With his opponents... You got to be kidding me... They don't deserve to be top 3 with all the other amazing players out there right now. I do believe HuK and Hero can be the best player (once Protoss as a race gets fixed), just not now when there's MMA, Leenock, DRG, Jjakji, Naniwa, and so on.
Best Cheese... How do we define this? Are we talking the most absurd cheese you'd see in a professional match (like a 6 pool)? Or the best cheese you've seen in a professional match (like a proxy base)? Given the former, you can't get worse than a 6 Pool except by pulling a Naniwa (yes, Probe rushes are now deemed as "pulling a Naniwa"). So I guess Naniwa wins? But they were so disgusted with his bad manner, that they removed him from the nominations. Rain basically made it to GSL Open Season 3 finals by cheesing his way there... But he's changed... I really don't know who to pick... So I'll pick Puma, for his cheesy hair... (I'm just kidding, but I'm picking Puma anyways because he didn't pop up anywhere else and because it's funny.)
Too many of these are clearly fanpicks... HuK and Hero appear WAYYYYYYYYYY too many times. They're good, but I'm sure you can easily find 2 other players to bump them out of the top 3. But I do think we should create another category called "The Savior of Foreign SC2", and the winner shall be HuK (with Stephano taking second?). Hero should've been in the innovative category for sure though. The guy actually does come up with some cool stuff, though they are a bit gimmicky.
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On December 25 2011 08:21 RyLai wrote:
Best protoss is a bit tough... They seem to specialize in one matchup, and otherwise be flipping coins for victory. However, I am overall most impressed with Naniwa's play. His PvZ is actually scary good. MC relies on insanely good control to win. Naniwa relies on insanely good decisions WITH insane control to win. HuK... Top 3 control isn't going to win you a GSL. Good job on ending the foreigner drought at MLG and beating MC to do it, but I still gotta go with Naniwa on this.
Naniwa is 1-12 in GSL, that's all you need to know to realize that he isn't the best Protoss. He's had 3 chances in Code A and went 0-4 in Blizzard cup.
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I can't believe you wrote an essay for a trivial poll lol
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The fan picks don't really matter though. The pro picks really show what's up.
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Why is MC in the most underrated section?
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Best terran was a hard one, took MVP though.
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On December 25 2011 10:34 AngryMoose wrote:
Why is MC in the most underrated section?
He was slumping hard for a bit so maybe thats why...
idk don't agree with a lot but it doesnt mean much...
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Best Cheese: Puma
LOL 1/1/1 wins games :D
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Lol best cheese - Puma. Oh man the 1-1-1 hate XD
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biased that they only have 3 options for each category? like how did those players get chosen?
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On December 25 2011 15:05 emc wrote:
biased that they only have 3 options for each category? like how did those players get chosen?
Players ranked in the top 64 in MLG got to vote. They are the top 3 chosen off a list. Like 3 points for a first place vote, 2 points for a second place vote, and 1 point for any other vote.
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On December 25 2011 09:26 JohnnyBanana wrote:
I can't believe you wrote an essay for a trivial poll lol
That's hardly an essay. It's a stream of consciousness (or wall of text), and when you can write multiple paragraphs without feeling as if you just wrote, well, multiple paragraphs..then you know you're a fan.
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On December 25 2011 08:29 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 08:21 RyLai wrote:
Best protoss is a bit tough... They seem to specialize in one matchup, and otherwise be flipping coins for victory. However, I am overall most impressed with Naniwa's play. His PvZ is actually scary good. MC relies on insanely good control to win. Naniwa relies on insanely good decisions WITH insane control to win. HuK... Top 3 control isn't going to win you a GSL. Good job on ending the foreigner drought at MLG and beating MC to do it, but I still gotta go with Naniwa on this.
Naniwa is 1-12 in GSL, that's all you need to know to realize that he isn't the best Protoss. He's had 3 chances in Code A and went 0-4 in Blizzard cup.
its fan's vote man. take it easy.
see the pro's vote?
Mc is pro's choice.
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Wow, poll voters are so fanboy-biased it's incredible. I mean, I'll admit that I voted for Boxer as "most unpredictable player" even though he tends to use the same builds over and over again just because I'm a big SlayerS fanboy, but Nestea losing out to DRG as best Zerg? Naniwa getting 40% of the "Best Protoss" vote? At least the Teran category shows there is justice in the world with MVP getting a dominating 60% of the vote. (I voted for MMA, of course.)
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On December 25 2011 02:11 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 23:17 Ventor wrote:
I'm sorry but some of these are totally off. Best protoss = Naniwa? Naniwa had a good show this year but he did not put up the results that HuK or MC did. People are too bias and want someone from their own country / continent to win, so they default to that person over the more suited person. If these votes are based on MLG results there is no question about it, NaNi was definitly the protoss with best results. MC not even close
"No question" might be a slight stretch.
Dallas: Huk 10th, Naniwa 1st
Columbus: Huk N/a, Naniwa 6th
Anaheim: Huk 7th, Naniwa 8th
Raleigh: Huk 7th, Naniwa 12th
Orlando: Huk 1st, Naniwa N/a
Providence: Huk 5th, Naniwa 2nd
Literal cumulative total : Huk 30, Naniwa 29 (note: not entirely meaningful as higher results tend to be weighted more in people's eyes)
The first MLG/GSL exchange program (and the influx of Koreans) came at MLG Columbus. Dallas (the prior event) was Huk's worst result, while it was Naniwa's best (by placing). Naniwa did worse and worse at each MLG with Koreans until providence, while Huk's got better (again, until providence). Their head to head was 4-4 by my count.
I suppose it depends on what you think is more impressive. I would say that when the Koreans came in full force (Columbus and beyond) Huk has been more impressive and therefore I would give him the nod. Personal preference I suppose, but "definitly," hell no.
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On December 25 2011 15:23 Warlock40 wrote:
Wow, poll voters are so fanboy-biased it's incredible. I mean, I'll admit that I voted for Boxer as "most unpredictable player" even though he tends to use the same builds over and over again just because I'm a big SlayerS fanboy, but Nestea losing out to DRG as best Zerg? Naniwa getting 40% of the "Best Protoss" vote? At least the Teran category shows there is justice in the world with MVP getting a dominating 60% of the vote. (I voted for MMA, of course.)
The fan votes don't really matter that much. The Pro votes are what really mean something.
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yea cuz i have more fans than huk lol wait
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On December 25 2011 17:48 Naniwa wrote:
yea cuz i have more fans than huk lol wait
I'll always root for you over Huk, <3
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Unless these are based purely on MLG results, some people shouldn't even be nominated in some categories. And how the hell is MC under rated at all, many people still view him as the best Protoss up to date in terms of overall performance.
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On December 23 2011 14:20 TBone- wrote:
wtf? why was mvp 70% voted best macro? he's constantly over queueing scvs(sometimes to 4 at each cc), macro slips to 1000 more than three times before the 20 minute mark passes, just general stuff like that he really lacks on.
You could say that about any SC2 player in existence. I've watched most of MVP's replays, and the replays of many other Terrans, and although I didn't go through the trouble of calculating SQ, just in general, MVP's macro is probably the cleanest I've seen. Bomber might have been more efficient 5 months ago, but as of right now, I no longer think he has the edge over MVP.
However, MVP does have more "off games" than people think - carpal tunnel, exhaustion, etc. are probably all contributing factors. For example, his play at Providence was especially lackluster for some reason (many of his replays at that event showed those symptoms you mentioned).
*Note, these are all tournament games. Of course, player XYZ might be a better macro player at home while not under tournament pressure, but that's not relevant nor is it meaningful.
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On December 25 2011 17:48 Naniwa wrote:
yea cuz i have more fans than huk lol wait
lol, <3.
If this whole thing was fan based, it would be so bad lol.
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Best overall player
WTH is Nestea!!!!!!!!
some kid made this gotta be.!!!
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On December 25 2011 02:11 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 23:17 Ventor wrote:
I'm sorry but some of these are totally off. Best protoss = Naniwa? Naniwa had a good show this year but he did not put up the results that HuK or MC did. People are too bias and want someone from their own country / continent to win, so they default to that person over the more suited person. If these votes are based on MLG results there is no question about it, NaNi was definitly the protoss with best results. MC not even close
The pros know what's up unlike foreign centric fan-boys. Ask Nani or HuK who is best.
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On December 25 2011 10:34 AngryMoose wrote:
Why is MC in the most underrated section?
Because people are actually debating best protoss.
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Nestea is not the best Zerg, even though he's won 3 GSL championships including a perfect run? =_= Sure DRG is popular, but it has been shown that he does struggle a bit when it counts (except for Blizzard GSL finals)
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It always gives me a headache when people still argue that MC is not the best protoss. If not an unexpected win from a new korean protoss, then an overhyped foreigner. How many games has Naniwa won in GSL? And 0-4 in Blizzcup?
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i think the showmanship for hero is that mothership stuff he did.
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On December 27 2011 13:24 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Nestea is not the best Zerg, even though he's won 3 GSL championships including a perfect run? =_= Sure DRG is popular, but it has been shown that he does struggle a bit when it counts (except for Blizzard GSL finals)
These are based on Pro picks. Doesn't have to do with popularity. Nestea is so overhyped imo.
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On December 27 2011 15:49 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:24 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Nestea is not the best Zerg, even though he's won 3 GSL championships including a perfect run? =_= Sure DRG is popular, but it has been shown that he does struggle a bit when it counts (except for Blizzard GSL finals) These are based on Pro picks. Doesn't have to do with popularity. Nestea is so overhyped imo.
I don't think any starcraft player with the results that Nestea has had could be called overhyped. Take the Artosis hype for what it is. Nestea is at the very least a top 5 player in the world, and possibly the best when he's on his game.
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On December 27 2011 12:37 RusHXceL wrote:
Best overall player
WTH is Nestea!!!!!!!!
some kid made this gotta be.!!!
Not like it matters. MVP is the best by far, with only MMA coming close.
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Letting you vote as many times as you want so it looks like everyone cares about the site, oh I see what you did there.
Besides these polls have nothing to do with MLG's...
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