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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread. |
On December 14 2011 21:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:55 HappyChris wrote:On December 14 2011 21:51 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:48 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom. Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well. Kinda feels like the SC2 overall is turning more towards marketing and viewership based reasoning and less towards unbiased professional sports. Thats how it is. Skills? who cares, popularity is what matters. What GomTV did to Naniwa and then gave out 2 free Code S spot to players that didnt win it or earn it just put Starcraft 2 as a sport back to the stone age. What a joke. No sorry but what gom did was take a stand on rules and sportsmanship, what they did to naniwa did nnot set starcraft 2 back to the stone age, it is not a joke, and it should help legitimize SC2 and show that you can't just get away with acting like a spoiled brat just because you're a good player. It's something that needed to be shown a while ago with how some players (including naniwa) act with total lack of respect for the tournaments they are in.
This is obviously not about Naniwa, Idra and Sen's spots have nothing to do with that.
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sigh, guess it's hard to keep the nani case at the nani threads without carrying it to other threads...
The koreans have no fault, what they did to nani was rightfully deserved.
ot: Nice to see those 2 getting a spot in code s!
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On December 14 2011 21:59 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:56 hunts wrote:On December 14 2011 21:53 Lann555 wrote:
GOM doesn't seem to care at all about legitimate competition. Neither Sen nor Idra has actually earned the spot, while countless Koreans are stuck in Code A/B.
Naniwa's spot should have become a wildcard and then Sen/Idra could have earned their spot by beating out the competition So Idra still being in code S and never being knocked out of it when he left korea on and left on good terms with GSL counts as not qualifying? So idra should be given free reign over GSL tournaments? He can leave when he wants to but when he wants to come back, they automatically put him in code S? Skill levels change, idra is more in the level of code A right now. I believe if they ran a wildcard tournament with all the code A players and heck even some code B players like STC and Sage + Idra and sen, both of them will have a less than 1% chance of coming out top.
Apparently you are not aware that Sen practices on KR/TW server. On his stream, teams from ogs or prime would practice w/ him many times. He ran into LiquidHuk, LiquidHero on that server at times also. Therefore, Sen definitely has skill level of code A, you're wrong.
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On December 14 2011 18:03 Golgotha wrote:
I gotta go to bed cuz I have finals in 4 hours. But I would like to say one thing. Yes, what Naniwa did was not exactly his brightest moment and he does come off as a punk to many people. However, everyone in this community knows how hard Naniwa works and how badly he wanted to compete for the number one spot in the GSL. And yet, GOM kicks him out of the tournament and labels him as a "money hunter" and an "unprofessional" person. Did they really have to hit Naniwa when he is on the ground with such false and hurtful remarks? If they truly understood Naniwa, they would know that he did not mean any harm!
I don't care what his intentions were, his actions were extremely unprofessional. Naniwa clearly doesn't understand that in order for eSPORTS to work, the atmosphere of professionalism that is conveyed by the production staff, the sponsors, and the players' attitudes are just as important as the games themselves- you can be a great player, but if you don't take the scene seriously, then you're just a great player- you don't deserve to be called a pro.
If Naniwa wants to be respected and treated with dignity, then he needs to work on his attitude first, and learn to respect the players, the sponsors, and all the hard work of the tournament organizers.
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On December 14 2011 18:25 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:24 IMBAkorean wrote:
well idra was in code-s before he left to go back to the usa, so giving him a spot now that some one dropped out makes sense. However giving Sen code-s seems kinda shady, i know sen is pretty good, but all the koreans have to go through code-a, up and downs with the same qualifications as sen. That's silly. Idra LEFT the GSL. Yes, it was on good terms, but he made the choice to focus in America. He should have to qualify. Does this mean we should give Rain a spot back in Code S, too? What about LiveForever? He had to leave due to military. In two years when he returns, should we give him a handout?
I wholeheartedly support the idea of giving LiveForever a spot in code S when he returns. I was incredibly entertained by watching the guy who was no good and knew it himself, but kept accidentally retaining his code S spot without really trying.
Match him up against Leenock in the first round for a grudge match, too. Seems unbelievable, at this point, to remember that the beastly zerg Leenock lost his code S spot to a completely unprepared terran.
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Why are people attacking Idra in this thread? Unless he ASKED gomTV for the spot after the whole Naniwa thing he has done nothing wrong. I am pretty sure gomTV asked HIM if he wanted a spot and he said yes... Should he have said no? Really? Get a fucking grip people.
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On December 14 2011 21:48 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. You must either be a massive Idra fanboy or just plain crazy. How can you say that? It's really not fair to pick a player and screw all the others qualifying through the normal route just because he's popular. I can understand the logic of picking a player up based on results and through a fixed system like the MLG-GSL partnership, but this is a whole different thing. What if now Manchester United, just because they're popular, would bounce back to Champions League, despite the fact that they couldn't do it though the normal route? Would that be accepted? Of course not. (please, no jokes about Man U being popular on not, focus on the logic)
If you haven't realized this yet, life isn't fair. I doubt GOM is going to lose much sleep over a couple korean's crying because Idra didn't have to qualify. Though GOM may love starcraft, their number one goal is to make money. GOM will make more money having Idra in code S then code A. That explanation seems fairly straight forward.
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On December 14 2011 22:03 zHarveLi wrote:
sigh, guess it's hard to keep the nani case at the nani threads without carrying it to other threads...
The koreans have no fault, what they did to nani was rightfully deserved.
ot: Nice to see those 2 getting a spot in code s!
People are not attacking idra, they are attacking GOM for inviting Idra.
I think as well that it is really a joke to invite Idra over Naniwa.
Idra did formerly forfeit his Code S spot and if you are laying hard behaviour standards, you shouldnt invite Idra.
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Exactly, IdrA got into code S, hey Americans, do you want to pay and subscribe to HQ stream? Not like Europeans are swarming to sign up for the subscription to see Naniwa anyway.
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IdrA fighting!
Sen... 3rd place LOL
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On December 14 2011 22:08 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:03 zHarveLi wrote:
sigh, guess it's hard to keep the nani case at the nani threads without carrying it to other threads...
The koreans have no fault, what they did to nani was rightfully deserved.
ot: Nice to see those 2 getting a spot in code s! People are not attacking idra, they are attacking GOM for inviting Idra. I think as well that it is really a joke to invite Idra over Naniwa. Idra did formerly forfeit his Code S spot and if you are laying hard behaviour standards, you shouldnt invite Idra.
Idra wasn't invited over Naniwa... Naniwa was removed from the league.
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Code S should be earned not given. There are dozens of better players languishing in code B such as HerO and PuMa for example and these two get it not just A but S? What a joke. GSL is becoming a joke like all other invitationals instead of a merit based competition. I won't be buying.
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On December 14 2011 22:12 Futuree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:08 00Visor wrote:On December 14 2011 22:03 zHarveLi wrote:
sigh, guess it's hard to keep the nani case at the nani threads without carrying it to other threads...
The koreans have no fault, what they did to nani was rightfully deserved.
ot: Nice to see those 2 getting a spot in code s! People are not attacking idra, they are attacking GOM for inviting Idra. I think as well that it is really a joke to invite Idra over Naniwa. Idra did formerly forfeit his Code S spot and if you are laying hard behaviour standards, you shouldnt invite Idra. Idra wasn't invited over Naniwa... Naniwa was removed from the league.
Naniwa was removed and Idra was invited. Thats enough.
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We need a platform to raise this to GOM. Stop being a invitational tournament and start focusing on players that are actually really good. Considering how much they cherish the chance to be a pro gamer and perform for the crowd, i find it a joke they just pass over better players who probably practise as hard or even harder than Idra/Sen but have no exposure.
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If "sponsor seed" applies every season, does it mean Idra will keep his code S spot no matter what ?
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Bullshit decision. Wow. Was finally getting into Starcraft to a point where I considered paying to watch the GSL (And won't, now), but this kind of stuff over a single thrown match is just childish. He threw one match, so what. Oh, wait, it was the community's current favorite scapegoat, guess we'll shit all over him now.
Utter bullshit.
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On December 14 2011 22:18 tekos44 wrote:
If "sponsor seed" applies every season, does it mean Idra will keep his code S spot no matter what ?
No. If he drops out, they'll invite someone new who did well in a foreign tournament.
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On December 14 2011 22:20 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:18 tekos44 wrote:
If "sponsor seed" applies every season, does it mean Idra will keep his code S spot no matter what ?
No. If he drops out, they'll invite someone new who did well in a foreign tournament.
That was the deal with MLG, but this time it has been stated those spots were sponsor seeds, so basically the guys who give money to GOM can invite 2 players.
I dont see any sponsor inviting anyone else than Idra
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On December 14 2011 22:20 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:18 tekos44 wrote:
If "sponsor seed" applies every season, does it mean Idra will keep his code S spot no matter what ?
No. If he drops out, they'll invite someone new who did well in a foreign tournament.
Correction, they invite some new foreigner who did well in a foreign tournament. Maybe someone like xi gua to pull in the chinese viewers. Then maybe some european to get the europeans back.
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