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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread. |
On December 14 2011 21:45 DalaiLameR wrote:
Didn't Idra just ignore his last gomtv matches leaving an empty booth and his opponents waiting (zenio and some other players he didn't like and picked in the groupselection)?
In my opinion this was way more insulting,bad mannered and unprofessional than what naniwa did
(I'm not going to defend nani since I totally agree with his temporary ban from gsl)
Nope he left on good terms and informed gomtv way beforehand. Thats why they did the tribute to Idra lol.
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Has everyone forgotten that Idra was in Code S until he left of his own accord (as in, didn't get knocked out)? It doesn't seem unreasonable for him to get a slot to me.
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I hope both get stomped so we'll see less seeds based on marketing and more real qualifications by the best players.
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On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes.
You must either be a massive Idra fanboy or just plain crazy. How can you say that? It's really not fair to pick a player and screw all the others qualifying through the normal route just because he's popular. I can understand the logic of picking a player up based on results and through a fixed system like the MLG-GSL partnership, but this is a whole different thing. What if now Manchester United, just because they're popular, would bounce back to Champions League, despite the fact that they couldn't do it though the normal route? Would that be accepted? Of course not.
(please, no jokes about Man U being popular on not, focus on the logic)
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On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes.
If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom.
Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well.
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On December 14 2011 21:40 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:29 twndomn wrote:On December 14 2011 20:25 GrungyMunchy wrote:
GOM needs to get their shit together and think a little further than simply the profits they're gonna get in each month, otherwise people will start to lose interest in the GSL and then they get exactly what they're trying to avoid: less viewers. Gom doesn't need to do anything. Just look at how many people view Idra's stream. Gom just need to welcome US viewers in open arms, it could care less about European viewers. Disregarding the retarded "America vs Europe" bait, what the hell are you talking about? How can people still regard GSL as the best league in the world if they invite players out of nothing? At least when LiveForever left Code S in March GOM held a mini-tournament to determine who was worthy of filling the spot. Now they're just inviting players they feel will bring a lot of viewers. That's just bad for the competition. And I thought giving Code A invites to players getting 10th-20th place in MLGs was bad.
It's not completely fair that's true but they just want a certain foreign representation in the league. Compare it to a wildcard in tennis which are given to favorites even if they rarely deserve it.
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On December 14 2011 21:47 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Has everyone forgotten that Idra was in Code S until he left of his own accord (as in, didn't get knocked out)? It doesn't seem unreasonable for him to get a slot to me.
Idra chose to forfeit his spot. If puzzle for example decided to leave code S, do you think gom will give him a reinvite again in a few months time? No, because hes not popular or foreigner. And i think gom wants to target the foreigner market.
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On December 14 2011 21:42 Zzoram wrote:
Idra is also one of the very few foreigners that could actually participate in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.
You have to live in Korea to do it. Of all the foreigners living in Korea, other than Naniwa, Idra is probably the best player not already in GSL (Huk is already in). Who else would they have given it to? Stephano doesn't want it.
Why does it have to be a foreigner?
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On December 14 2011 21:48 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom. Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well.
Kinda feels like the SC2 overall is turning more towards marketing and viewership based reasoning and less towards unbiased professional sports.
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idra wasn't even gging at his games when he was in korea and they call nani bm ? gom saying of someone he's only interested in money ? ROFL GOM is the worst greedy piece of shit in the world that is killing esport because of its greed so give us a break
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On December 14 2011 21:51 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:48 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom. Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well. Kinda feels like the SC2 overall is turning more towards marketing and viewership based reasoning and less towards unbiased professional sports.
I know and its saddening but its a sad truth of life.
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GOM doesn't seem to care at all about legitimate competition. Neither Sen nor Idra has actually earned the spot, while countless Koreans are stuck in Code A/B.
Naniwa's spot should have become a wildcard and then Sen/Idra could have earned their spot by beating out the competition
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On December 14 2011 21:51 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:48 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom. Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well. Kinda feels like the SC2 overall is turning more towards marketing and viewership based reasoning and less towards unbiased professional sports.
Thats how it is. Skills? who cares, popularity is what matters.
What GomTV did to Naniwa and then gave out 2 free Code S spot to players that didnt win it or earn it just put Starcraft 2 as a sport back to the stone age. What a joke.
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On December 14 2011 21:50 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:40 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 twndomn wrote:On December 14 2011 20:25 GrungyMunchy wrote:
GOM needs to get their shit together and think a little further than simply the profits they're gonna get in each month, otherwise people will start to lose interest in the GSL and then they get exactly what they're trying to avoid: less viewers. Gom doesn't need to do anything. Just look at how many people view Idra's stream. Gom just need to welcome US viewers in open arms, it could care less about European viewers. Disregarding the retarded "America vs Europe" bait, what the hell are you talking about? How can people still regard GSL as the best league in the world if they invite players out of nothing? At least when LiveForever left Code S in March GOM held a mini-tournament to determine who was worthy of filling the spot. Now they're just inviting players they feel will bring a lot of viewers. That's just bad for the competition. And I thought giving Code A invites to players getting 10th-20th place in MLGs was bad. It's not completely fair that's true but they just want a certain foreign representation in the league. Compare it to a wildcard in tennis which are given to favorites even if they rarely deserve it.
I suppose you're right, I haven't thought in the perspective of tennis' wildcards.
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On December 14 2011 21:53 Lann555 wrote:
GOM doesn't seem to care at all about legitimate competition. Neither Sen nor Idra has actually earned the spot, while countless Koreans are stuck in Code A/B.
Naniwa's spot should have become a wildcard and then Sen/Idra could have earned their spot by beating out the competition
So Idra still being in code S and never being knocked out of it when he left korea on and left on good terms with GSL counts as not qualifying?
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A lot of people here are saying Idra got his spot out of thin air, but isn't it because of MLG Providence, in which the deal was that the highest placed foreigner would get the Code S spot?
Naniwa was just booted out and Haypro refused the spot, so wouldn't it fall down to Idra? Am I missing something?
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On December 14 2011 21:56 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:53 Lann555 wrote:
GOM doesn't seem to care at all about legitimate competition. Neither Sen nor Idra has actually earned the spot, while countless Koreans are stuck in Code A/B.
Naniwa's spot should have become a wildcard and then Sen/Idra could have earned their spot by beating out the competition So Idra still being in code S and never being knocked out of it when he left korea on and left on good terms with GSL counts as not qualifying?
So idra should be given free reign over GSL tournaments? He can leave when he wants to but when he wants to come back, they automatically put him in code S?
Skill levels change, idra is more in the level of code A right now. I believe if they ran a wildcard tournament with all the code A players and heck even some code B players like STC and Sage + Idra and sen, both of them will have a less than 1% chance of coming out top.
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On December 14 2011 21:56 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:53 Lann555 wrote:
GOM doesn't seem to care at all about legitimate competition. Neither Sen nor Idra has actually earned the spot, while countless Koreans are stuck in Code A/B.
Naniwa's spot should have become a wildcard and then Sen/Idra could have earned their spot by beating out the competition So Idra still being in code S and never being knocked out of it when he left korea on and left on good terms with GSL counts as not qualifying?
Of course. He gave up his spot when he left. It's no longer his. Besides, the game has completely changed since then and it's a totally new playing field.
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On December 14 2011 21:55 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:51 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:48 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 21:44 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 21:37 Futuree wrote:On December 14 2011 18:04 Fionn wrote:
I'll be the first to say that I don't like it.
Idra should have to win his way through the Up-and-Downs like the rest of the players. He left Korea and made the choice to leave his spot. Yes, Idra did leave his spot, but I disagree that Idra should have to do the up and down matches. People want to see Idra play on the biggest stage. GOM makes more money by having idra play in Code S. It's a win win. So if someone is popular they should be able to just bypass the qualifying part of the tournament? In some cases yes. In this case, yes. If you focus on the commercial side, then yes it was a good choice by gom. Just hurts me to see that the most prestigious starcraft 2 league in the world is not all about merits but also about popularity as well. Kinda feels like the SC2 overall is turning more towards marketing and viewership based reasoning and less towards unbiased professional sports. Thats how it is. Skills? who cares, popularity is what matters. What GomTV did to Naniwa and then gave out 2 free Code S spot to players that didnt win it or earn it just put Starcraft 2 as a sport back to the stone age. What a joke.
No sorry but what gom did was take a stand on rules and sportsmanship, what they did to naniwa did nnot set starcraft 2 back to the stone age, it is not a joke, and it should help legitimize SC2 and show that you can't just get away with acting like a spoiled brat just because you're a good player. It's something that needed to be shown a while ago with how some players (including naniwa) act with total lack of respect for the tournaments they are in.
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On December 14 2011 21:57 Sbrubbles wrote:
A lot of people here are saying Idra got his spot out of thin air, but isn't it because of MLG Providence, in which the deal was that the highest placed foreigner would get the Code S spot?
Naniwa was just booted out and Haypro refused the spot, so wouldn't it fall down to Idra? Am I missing something?
The rule was that only top 3 of each MLG. So it couldn't have been due to MLG.
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