Team Legion [LgN] is thrilled to announce that our very own Canadian protoss player Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx will be going to Seoul, South Korea for an indefinite amount of time in order to train and improve as a player. desRow will be paying for all his expenses and maxfrag, the personal sponsor of desRow will be helping him with the plane ticket fees.
After weeks of fan speculation, we are finally able to release the details of his travel to the community. desRow will be staying at the Gom.tv house in the company of his fellow french-speaking protoss brother ToD and many other foreigners. Further details, including travel plans and stream availability will be added soon. After his time in the Gom house, Team LgN has plans of putting desRow up in our training house with our Korean lineup which includes ChiTa, Mystic, Boss, Luxury, and CoOL.
As a team we feel that Marc has been improving greatly over the last few months both skill wise and on a fan-interaction level. We hope that his time in South Korea gives him a boost to take his play to the next level. Marc, we are confident that you will do everything in your power to make this experience worthwhile for all of the parties involved. Show us what you are made of!
"Hey guys, First of all I can't express enough how grateful and honored I am that I've been given this opportunity. I've been working extremely hard for this to happen. Back in July, I was talking with torch but my skill level and the MLG partnership made it impossible for me to come because there was always 1 person ahead of me. Since then, I've emailed in korean about every house to see if they had room for me but it didn't work out. I was originally planning to cover all my expenses but I'm very fortunate and lucky to come across a company that is very supportive of me. I'd like to sincerely thank Maxfrag, who are helping me cover my expenses for my trip to Korea, making it much less stressful for me to take this huge step of moving across the world and changing my lifestyle.
My goal in Korea is to qualify for Code A and to improve as a player. I plan on staying in Korea until my skill level is high enough that I can compete in international events. I hope my fans can continue to support me as I put my best foot forward and really try to show that I have what it takes to succeed in Starcraft. I hope to show everyone what I can accomplish, and I will be streaming my progress on the Korean ladder as I try my best to improve my game to it's maximum potential" ~ LgN.desRow
“I am very happy that desRow has the chance to go to Korea to train. He has been practicing extremely hard and shown incredible dedication to his career. On top of that, he has been very supportive of our team, and we would like to return that sentiment by supporting him as much as possible while he is in Korea. I know that desRow will be a great training asset to our Korean players, and that they in turn will help him to become one of the best.” ~ LgN.Darigaz - Team Owner
Be sure to follow @teamLgN and @desRowFighting on twitter for all updates on our team and desRow personally.
Stay tuned and follow Marc on his quest to join the ranks of foreign Protoss champions.
Very nice DesRow. You've put a lot of work in Stacraft and deserve this. Hopefully Korea will treat you well and you succeed there too! I am looking forward to Korean ladder streaming.
Also congrats to Team LgN for sending someone to Korea.
I have to say - despite the fact the hes not a very accomplished player regarding tournaments. I have deep respect for him. With his coaching, the showmatches, self advertisement (buying own sponsored threads on TL) he put in a lot of effort. I hope he improves a great deal and comes back to be known as C.O. Desrow, the "Can Opener" ... can opener of Whoop Ass lol
woot woot, cant wait to see you improve. Kind of sad that you wont be streaming in the same time schedule u used before coz it was awesome for me. Best of luck
yaaaaaaaaaaaay, first congrats dRw! going to Korea, or having been to Korea is an achievement and an experience only very few foreigners are lucky enough to do. I wish you a great time there, and hope you will improve as a starcraft 2 player.
Second, I knew you talked about going there, I know it was one of your goals for quite some time. I am happy you really did it and now walk the walk! Don't be frightened by first losses or the culture shock. No matter what comes out of this, take it as a life-time-experience.
Don't forget us foreigners when you're down there flirting with the korean girls!
Good luck buddy, such an amazing person! Wish you all the best! He's an incredibly dedicated and passionate person about StarCraft, he puts in maximum effort to his job.
And to the people who say 'Why do players who aren't even top of their region go to korea'
GLHF desRow, i have been following you for quite some time now and i enjoy your stream alot. This is defenetly your time to shine, you have defenatly improved alot. I wish you the best of luck "over there"
Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
I noticed this as well. I don't really understand why he is going to korea... But gl anyway.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
now that you mention it i remember that once i got aware that in any thread about him he has a bunch of random 10-20 post dudes cheering for him whole-heartedly;)i have my suspicions
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
I noticed this as well. I don't really understand why he is going to korea... But gl anyway.
Same thoughts as well....but i guess foreigners going to korea, isnt...exactly...a...bad...thing...i guess. gl in korea
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
More foreigners in Korea is always good so best of luck to you desrow.
Having said that I don't think mid-tier players should be making this trip. The only people that actually can have success in Korea are truly top players that already have accomplishments back home.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Awesome desRow! I am new to the SC2 scene and have watched you play for quite sometime now. Good luck with it!
Also, I think it pretty crazy people are like "why are you going to Korea?" and stuff like that as if he's not good enough to go to Korea and stuff. I mean does it really matter? If someone is trying to better them selves at something then cheer them on! Anyways good luck man!
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Every single time i tuned in his stream he was blabbing about supporting him, putting in a good word on TL, support his twitter and what not... he is pretty obsessed with numbers of followers and obviously some stupid ass fame. At least, that's what i felt. About your trip Desrow, best of luck. Work on your confidence more than your game skill. Also learn to be great in victory cos every time you win against some big name you are like screaming and shouting...You can be smart and take this advice or you can be dumb and take it as an insult. gl
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
yeah i watched him stream few times and his macro slips literally every game (1000-2000 rescources at not even close to max), he doesn't use stargate play at all, etc, his forcefields are pretty bad. he's not bad overall but too many obvious flaws that need fixing before even dreaming about code a;)
hm i couldve thought of players that would have better off in korea but well... hope he will improve and maybe even get a chance in code a (highly doubt that though)
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
Good luck, i don't know much about desrow but it's good to see that much dedication from a player, willing to stay as long as it takes to be as good as he can.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
yeah i watched him stream few times and his macro slips literally every game (1000-2000 rescources at not even close to max), he doesn't use stargate play at all, etc, his forcefields are pretty bad. he's not bad overall but too many obvious flaws that need fixing before even dreaming about code a;)
like your argument bro he cant be gm because he doesnt play stargate and the game is completely broken because he can be in gm anyway OMG
srsly i dont know why everyone is flaming him for being bad or something since its clearly his goal to improve by goint to korea
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Every single time i tuned in his stream he was blabbing about supporting him, putting in a good word on TL, support his twitter and what not... he is pretty obsessed with numbers of followers and obviously some stupid ass fame. At least, that's what i felt.
That's exactly what makes me so suspicious. He's clearly emotionally invested in his popularity in a way that's more than a little bit beyond reasonable. Him, or someone working with him, would definitely do this. I can't imagine desRow is popular enough that every thread about him causes 10-20 people to sign up just to go "omgawd desRow fighting <3333".
isn`t this trip kinda expensive and isn`t it highly likely desrow wont perform well over there? I would think so. ergo the decission to send him over makes very little sense. well, good luck and have fun.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Every single time i tuned in his stream he was blabbing about supporting him, putting in a good word on TL, support his twitter and what not... he is pretty obsessed with numbers of followers and obviously some stupid ass fame. At least, that's what i felt.
That's exactly what makes me so suspicious. He's clearly emotionally invested in his popularity in a way that's more than a little bit beyond reasonable. Him, or someone working with him, would definitely do this. I can't imagine desRow is popular enough that every thread about him causes 10-20 people to sign up just to go "omgawd desRow fighting <3333".
Someone like combat-ex has 11k subscribers. I have no problem believing someone similar to combat could get 10-20 rabid fanboys to support him every time a thread was made. I dont think its at all unreasonable that desrow fans would have to sign up for new accounts on teamliquid, because the stereotypical desrow fan (from stream chat) isnt the kind of person you typically find sticking around for long on TL. They would probably either hate TL 'because the nazi mods kill free speech', or already have gotten banned on their previous account.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
yeah i watched him stream few times and his macro slips literally every game (1000-2000 rescources at not even close to max), he doesn't use stargate play at all, etc, his forcefields are pretty bad. he's not bad overall but too many obvious flaws that need fixing before even dreaming about code a;)
like your argument bro he cant be gm because he doesnt play stargate and the game is completely broken because he can be in gm anyway OMG
srsly i dont know why everyone is flaming him for being bad or something since its clearly his goal to improve by goint to korea
i don't recall arguing against anything, these were observations. he even said he doesn't use stargate when i asked him in the chat. that's like a zerg not using hydras, ever. or a terran not making banshees. consciously suppressing versatility. not the sign of a great player imo.
he is gm as i recall but korean master players that i see on streams seem to play better than him.
korea is great and all, but he's not quite there yet in skill imo to make real use of such training
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I was going to korea regardless of if I had a team or not. Blame me not them. I'll be streaming around the same hours when I'll be going into the gom house. If I manage to get in a team/clan house my schedule will obviously change but I don't see myself as a personality/entertainer. I know I have success because of my personality/ and that I entertain on stream but ultimately I want to be a top foreigner Protoss. I already play 8-10hours at home, why not do it on the best ladder and get a shot at a clan/pro house at the same time?
Oh and I'm paying for most of the trip and maxfrag is helpîng me as well.
I just don't see where the negative attitude is coming from. It would be one thing if he were somehow using fan money (taking donations, or something). It seems like he found investors that would like to see him train in Korea for some time. Whether or not he'll qualify for code A does not determine the success of this trip.
Anyway, best wishes. This guy might not be the foreigner hope currently, but it seems like he put a lot of effort into finding accomodations/investors for this trip. Takes initiative and perseverence after being turned down from the team houses.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I don't see myself as a personality/entertainer.
sorry but you are
Chill and Atmuh
i love you guys.
Chill that post was most amazing post i've ever seen on TL.
You totally explained my thoughts and feelings about desRow to korea.
On December 13 2011 02:01 Skuller wrote: I just don't see where the negative attitude is coming from. It would be one thing if he were somehow using fan money (taking donations, or something). It seems like he found investors that would like to see him train in Korea for some time. Whether or not he'll qualify for code A does not determine the success of this trip.
Anyway, best wishes. This guy might not be the foreigner hope currently, but it seems like he put a lot of effort into finding accomodations/investors for this trip. Takes initiative and perseverence after being turned down from the team houses.
The negative attitude comes from the fact that desrow is also pretty hostile person and he will answer to every provocation and feed the trolls. Never understood why he always fed the trolls. Who ever watched his stream knows he has some qualities :D that could really anoy people. Please, don't get offended, it's just what i felt watching your stream from time to time.
But really, Desrow, you deserve support for what you are doing and every person who's right in their mind will wish you great success in Korea. No matter if they like you or not so much like you. :D
At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Every single time i tuned in his stream he was blabbing about supporting him, putting in a good word on TL, support his twitter and what not... he is pretty obsessed with numbers of followers and obviously some stupid ass fame. At least, that's what i felt.
That's exactly what makes me so suspicious. He's clearly emotionally invested in his popularity in a way that's more than a little bit beyond reasonable. Him, or someone working with him, would definitely do this. I can't imagine desRow is popular enough that every thread about him causes 10-20 people to sign up just to go "omgawd desRow fighting <3333".
Someone like combat-ex has 11k subscribers. I have no problem believing someone similar to combat could get 10-20 rabid fanboys to support him every time a thread was made. I dont think its at all unreasonable that desrow fans would have to sign up for new accounts on teamliquid, because the stereotypical desrow fan (from stream chat) isnt the kind of person you typically find sticking around for long on TL. They would probably either hate TL 'because the nazi mods kill free speech', or already have gotten banned on their previous account.
A lot of people are subscribed to combatex because we like to watch him crash and burn. He's a troll, and it's extremely entertaining. I'm not subscribed to him because I particularly like him, but because it's funny. I don't know anyone who would sign up to a forum to defend him. I also haven't run into anyone who is a rabid desRow fan outside of single digit post users on threads about him.
will he make masters on korea, thats the question.
EDIT: To elaborate more seriously, I have a feeling whomever is in charge of team LgN is seriously out of touch with the community. I think from a swift glance, seeing Desrow, a streamer who gets what, maybe 1k viewers at a time, and is in the highest league of sc2, one could assume he is actually really good. Furthermore, from a quick glance at the community, one could suppose that if you send someone to Korea, they become an insta-star. Neither of these assumptions are correct however - the only foreigners who have gone to Korea and met with legitimate success were people who already had strong results in foreign tourneys (Desrow has none). He will not do well in Korea, he will spend time on the Korean mid masters ladder, and then he will come home, no one but his stream viewers will notice the change or the trip and LgN will be several thousand dollars shorter.
This all said, I hope he proves me wrong and takes off and becomes a foreigner hope. I just can't see someone whom I've only heard of because he beat Incontrol and Idra with 4gates becoming something huge or worthy of a ticket to Korea. Sorry.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
You're seriously a giant dick for posting this for basically no reason. Haven't you noticed that nearly every streamer has countless fans that mostly come out to support them? Look at the top left of the page. The vast majority of TL users aren't even logged in most of the time, and announcements about their favorite players are a great reason for them to come in and show support.
Good luck desRow. I admire your passion and dedication, and while I might not be appreciative of every trait about you, I hope you have a great time in Korea and improve a lot.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I have to humbly disagree. desRow is paying the majority of this on his own, with support from Maxfrag (with little/no support from Legion). Korea server practice is often more interesting and attractive to stream viewers, and accompanied with his (hopefully) increased skill level will definitely draw attention.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
im one of those who just signed to say congratulations to him! i've been scrolling the forums for a long time but never made an account until now.
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I have to humbly disagree. desRow is paying the majority of this on his own, with support from Maxfrag (with little/no support from Legion). Korea server practice is often more interesting and attractive to stream viewers, and accompanied with his (hopefully) increased skill level will definitely draw attention.
I disagree, as a stream viewer I prefer NA play to KR - on NA I know who must of they players they hit are etc etc, whereas on Kor it's by enlarge some Hangul named guy. Not to mention I doubt desrow will get high enough on kr ladder to hit any big names.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
yeah i watched him stream few times and his macro slips literally every game (1000-2000 rescources at not even close to max), he doesn't use stargate play at all, etc, his forcefields are pretty bad. he's not bad overall but too many obvious flaws that need fixing before even dreaming about code a;)
Hmm ok first dont post things about people when ur facts r wrong. u probably watch his stream 3 months ago when yes his resource's did reach high levels and in fact he has been using stargate frequently beating meny top zergs with a phenox zelot play in general he has been do very well on the ladder as u can see not low GM http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/443514/VTdesRow and if u just watch his stream for 10mins u will see that his forcefields r sick resulting in him crushing opponents. and now if he spends 3 months in Korea he is only going to get better !
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
Maybe people need to start reading then. If you haven't noticed, he said he is going to korea to IMPROVE. His aim is to be in code A, notice how different that is from saying "I will be in code A next season" ? Everybody with big ambitions knows you need to have a semi-reachable goal, and Code A for Desrow is definitely reachable with enough practice and dedication.
Its kind of frustrating to read posts like this, the guy is so dedicated to the game and tries hard to improve himself but then people come and go..... well you're no Michael Jordan, might as well not even try. He's paying for most of the trip himself in order to improve, don't see why people are being so pessimistic about it. Its his money.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
If someone could figure out the IP of all of them we could perhaps find a match? xD
I'm pretty confident that there's something fishy. The only people I've ever heard cheering on desRow are probably actually desRow.
Either way, GL to him, I will always support someone looking to become better at this game, even if they have some... issues.
Yeah I've noticed this a lot too, his usual response to it is that he has a lot of followers who are not really into teamliquid. It still seems dodgy to me, anyway GL in korea.
The short of it: desRow has a lot of fans on his stream, we just hyped the announcement over there. So obviously a lot of people will come and cheer him on - even make a new accoutn for that - . If you guys are so adamant in finding out, by all means ask a mod to verify the IPs. You can watch desRow streaming right this instant, so if he is able to make all these posts AND play at a GM level, he has the most insane multi-task ability I have ever seen.
Back on-topic: Congratz Marc! I'm sure you'll improve greatly in South-Korea. And thanks to everyone saying they like my banner <3
I agree, except the fact the he is playing at GM level. He is low GM on NA which by most players standards means he is well under GM level, maybe high master.
yeah i watched him stream few times and his macro slips literally every game (1000-2000 rescources at not even close to max), he doesn't use stargate play at all, etc, his forcefields are pretty bad. he's not bad overall but too many obvious flaws that need fixing before even dreaming about code a;)
Hmm ok first dont post things about people when ur facts r wrong. u probably watch his stream 3 months ago when yes his resource's did reach high levels and in fact he has been using stargate frequently beating meny top zergs with a phenox zelot play in general he has been do very well on the ladder as u can see not low GM http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/443514/VTdesRow and if u just watch his stream for 10mins u will see that his forcefields r sick resulting in him crushing opponents. and now if he spends 3 months in Korea he is only going to get better !
i think it was like 1 monts ago. anyways i didn't say he's not GM. and i do remember his rescource management being fairly bad- could have been a bad day. still it wasn't nearly good enough for a pro player
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
You're seriously a giant dick for posting this for basically no reason. Haven't you noticed that nearly every streamer has countless fans that mostly come out to support them? Look at the top left of the page. The vast majority of TL users aren't even logged in most of the time, and announcements about their favorite players are a great reason for them to come in and show support.
Yeah, I am a giant dick, but that's kind of irrelevant. I'm used to that for people like Destiny, which I'm fine with. I see a lot of his fans on a regular basis. I'm just far more suspicious when it's desRow. I'm happy for more TL users, I'm not so happy when said TL users only sign up to post a single one-liner.
Guys, they are literally letting him live in the GOM house, but he has to pay for plane ticket($1000), food plane ticket back(that was 1-way 1k), sure he's not the most popular or the best, but that's why people follow him, he is appealing for the semi pro player that has devoted himself to getting better on his own, with no lessons or training with ANY other pros yet..... So yea Korea is going to be a waste for him to learn from Tod one of his respected elders and a legend on the scene, they both speak french I can't wait till he starts getting better makes Code A and all you guys are just like uh...., show a little support or don't flame him it's really un unnecessary when a guy has worked so hard making his trip purely on lesson and stream commercial money, I applaud him for doing this and will definitively be supporting him and also trying to improve my own game to get into gm next season, gl Marc show us what 1 year of training does :D
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
Maybe people need to start reading then. If you haven't noticed, he said he is going to korea to IMPROVE. His aim is to be in code A, notice how different that is from saying "I will be in code A next season" ? Everybody with big ambitions knows you need to have a semi-reachable goal, and Code A for Desrow is definitely reachable with enough practice and dedication.
Its kind of frustrating to read posts like this, the guy is so dedicated to the game and tries hard to improve himself but then people come and go..... well you're no Michael Jordan, might as well not even try. He's paying for most of the trip himself in order to improve, don't see why people are being so pessimistic about it. Its his money.
people will have an opinion, you kinda have to deal with that if you make posts like that here. and noone accused him of anything. you don't have to make excuses for him... like 1000 posters here shit on stephano for no apparent reason, guess what happens if desrow goes to korea;) you really don't need to complain, it was all civilized.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
You're seriously a giant dick for posting this for basically no reason. Haven't you noticed that nearly every streamer has countless fans that mostly come out to support them? Look at the top left of the page. The vast majority of TL users aren't even logged in most of the time, and announcements about their favorite players are a great reason for them to come in and show support.
Yeah, I am a giant dick, but that's kind of irrelevant. I'm used to that for people like Destiny, which I'm fine with. I see a lot of his fans on a regular basis. I'm just far more suspicious when it's desRow. I'm happy for more TL users, I'm not so happy when said TL users only sign up to post a single one-liner.
Detective tirentu, if you haven't noticed Nazgul posted in his previous thread and Chill posted in this one. I'm pretty certain they have already done IP checks and would of banned him if he was doing the self-promoting himself. Not to mention, he's been streaming for the past 2-4hours when this thread was posted. Kind of hard to make multiple accounts and play at the same time......
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I have to humbly disagree. desRow is paying the majority of this on his own, with support from Maxfrag (with little/no support from Legion). Korea server practice is often more interesting and attractive to stream viewers, and accompanied with his (hopefully) increased skill level will definitely draw attention.
It won't be interesting to stream viewers unless Desrow can get high enough on the KR ladder to actually hit known Koreans. Otherwise, he'll just be losing to no-names that people don't care about at all, even if those no-names would be able to beat most NA "pros."
His skill level will undoubtedly increase, but to be honest he hasn't really shown any promise even in NA. All the other notable guys to head over to Korea were already big deals in their home regions. Desrow is no Naniwa or Sase. Either way this is ultimately good for Desrow even if it's a silly move on his team's part.
Sidenote: Desrow will be shockingly large for most Koreans.
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
Maybe people need to start reading then. If you haven't noticed, he said he is going to korea to IMPROVE. His aim is to be in code A, notice how different that is from saying "I will be in code A next season" ? Everybody with big ambitions knows you need to have a semi-reachable goal, and Code A for Desrow is definitely reachable with enough practice and dedication.
Its kind of frustrating to read posts like this, the guy is so dedicated to the game and tries hard to improve himself but then people come and go..... well you're no Michael Jordan, might as well not even try. He's paying for most of the trip himself in order to improve, don't see why people are being so pessimistic about it. Its his money.
to be honest, you make it sound like nobody even has the right to comment in a "negative" way...I mean, as long as you don't get insulting, it surely is ok to be of - and express - the opinion that you don't think that's such a good idea?
Because I for myself got to agree with Chill - the thing is, desrow ALREADY practices really hard and isn't even on top of NA. This makes me think he has reached his "skill-ceiling" that mere practice in Korea isn't likely to break. Just think about the huge amount of (arguably) more skilled players that moved to Korea and failed most terribly.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
Wow I just noticed that too and looked at their profiles. Pretty much every single one of them has only posted pro-Desrow comments on threads relating to him.
I highly doubt it's him making those, but he seems to have some rabid fans who made multiple accounts. Nice...
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
You're seriously a giant dick for posting this for basically no reason. Haven't you noticed that nearly every streamer has countless fans that mostly come out to support them? Look at the top left of the page. The vast majority of TL users aren't even logged in most of the time, and announcements about their favorite players are a great reason for them to come in and show support.
Yeah, I am a giant dick, but that's kind of irrelevant. I'm used to that for people like Destiny, which I'm fine with. I see a lot of his fans on a regular basis. I'm just far more suspicious when it's desRow. I'm happy for more TL users, I'm not so happy when said TL users only sign up to post a single one-liner.
Detective tirentu, if you haven't noticed Nazgul posted in his previous thread and Chill posted in this one. I'm pretty certain they have already done IP checks and would of banned him if he was doing the self-promoting himself. Not to mention, he's been streaming for the past 2-4hours when this thread was posted. Kind of hard to make multiple accounts and play at the same time......
Yeah, I thought about that after posting. It's clear that it's not him, but it's still suspicious to me. I figure R1CH would wizard all over their asses if there was something wrong.
And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
Maybe people need to start reading then. If you haven't noticed, he said he is going to korea to IMPROVE. His aim is to be in code A, notice how different that is from saying "I will be in code A next season" ? Everybody with big ambitions knows you need to have a semi-reachable goal, and Code A for Desrow is definitely reachable with enough practice and dedication.
Its kind of frustrating to read posts like this, the guy is so dedicated to the game and tries hard to improve himself but then people come and go..... well you're no Michael Jordan, might as well not even try. He's paying for most of the trip himself in order to improve, don't see why people are being so pessimistic about it. Its his money.
to be honest, you make it sound like nobody even has the right to comment in a "negative" way...I mean, as long as you don't get insulting, it surely is ok to be of - and express - the opinion that you don't think that's such a good idea?
Because I for myself got to agree with Chill - the thing is, desrow ALREADY practices really hard and isn't even on top of NA. This makes me think he has reached his "skill-ceiling" that mere practice in Korea isn't likely to break. Just think about the huge amount of (arguably) more skilled players that moved to Korea and failed most terribly.
Not only that, he isn't going to a korean team house (IM, ST, etc.). Seems kinda pointless to train like that. It's not like Korean food and air = higher SC skill.
On December 13 2011 02:48 Pesto wrote: And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
lol, looking through this thread nearly every other person has like 1 or 2 posts and is saying gl, is pretty strange
On December 13 2011 02:48 Pesto wrote: And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. When someone actually takes the plunge he should get positive replies not abunch guys shooting him down.
I don`t think he will improve too much if he is not in a team. If he intends to stay there long time he will have to deal with not being able to speak Korean and thus with social isolation. Being in Korea makes only sense if you live in an established setting. Also if he used to play already 8-10 hours per day and still is only mid-level GM on NA there are reasons to doubt if he`s ever gonna develop into the next Stephano/Nani/Huk, Thorzain etc.
On December 13 2011 02:48 Pesto wrote: And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
HuK won MLG b4 korea <3
sooooooooooo much off topic in this thread, gl desrow and stop da hatin'!!!!!!!!!!
On December 13 2011 02:18 tyler233 wrote: At all the haters talking about low thread post accounts. I know that this is only like my 5th post now, because I don't come here for fun to communicate with others or troll or whatever, but I can tell you that I only came here to support Desrow because I watch his stream on a regular basis. Maybe that is a similar situation for many other people. So you can take it as him trying to boost his own success, but I see it as him expanding many people's boundaries in e-sports by making them familiar with sites such as this or Reddit. GL in Korea Desrow!
just to clarify, people who are not fond of desrow =/= haters
pro-gaming is revolved around performance, the average reaction to such a news is very much correlated to the performance of the player. just remember for example a lot of people made fun of drewbie when he went to korea and like everyone considers him a better player than desrow
and i haven't even seen one bashing or flaming post in this topic, people are just saying he's not up to the challenge and that is an objective observation;) people don't necessarily need to be sweethearts or dickheads
Maybe people need to start reading then. If you haven't noticed, he said he is going to korea to IMPROVE. His aim is to be in code A, notice how different that is from saying "I will be in code A next season" ? Everybody with big ambitions knows you need to have a semi-reachable goal, and Code A for Desrow is definitely reachable with enough practice and dedication.
Its kind of frustrating to read posts like this, the guy is so dedicated to the game and tries hard to improve himself but then people come and go..... well you're no Michael Jordan, might as well not even try. He's paying for most of the trip himself in order to improve, don't see why people are being so pessimistic about it. Its his money.
to be honest, you make it sound like nobody even has the right to comment in a "negative" way...I mean, as long as you don't get insulting, it surely is ok to be of - and express - the opinion that you don't think that's such a good idea?
Because I for myself got to agree with Chill - the thing is, desrow ALREADY practices really hard and isn't even on top of NA. This makes me think he has reached his "skill-ceiling" that mere practice in Korea isn't likely to break. Just think about the huge amount of (arguably) more skilled players that moved to Korea and failed most terribly.
People are obviously allowed to give negative comments, granted they are informed. Your post for example contradicts Chill's. He said its a great opportunity for Desrow to go, but a bad investment from his team (which I agree with IF it was true, which it isn't). Anyone serious about starcraft needs to live in korea and clearly desrow is serious about it.
On December 13 2011 02:48 Pesto wrote: And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
Huk already had several titles including an MLG before he went to Korea... And the other guys either went to Korea for a short period of time or they came from teams with comparatively large budgets. EG paying for a player to go to Korea is not even close to the same as Legion doing the same. EG has a LOT more money so it doesn't hurt nearly as much. If Desrow's paying it's perfectly fine, but it would be a terrible move on his team's part if they covered his expenses.
By the way, what Gosu players went to Korea other than actual Koreans?
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I have to humbly disagree. desRow is paying the majority of this on his own, with support from Maxfrag (with little/no support from Legion). Korea server practice is often more interesting and attractive to stream viewers, and accompanied with his (hopefully) increased skill level will definitely draw attention.
He can play the Korean server from home. Korea is 17-14 hours ahead of us. So you're telling me he's going to modify his streaming schedule to only play at night, thereby removing all the benefit of playing on the Korean server?
Makes zero sense. If he's paying for this he should have paid for a vacation, not this.
Why are so many foreigners so eager to become progamers without showing any specific talent what so ever? I mean, you see threads about master/gm players looking for teams because they wanna be progamers all the time even if they are ladder heroes with 51% win ratio. The same goes for people like desrow going to Korea without showing off any sort of talent in this game.
Shouldn't people be able to at least beast it up on ladder or tournaments before thinking of going pro? If you would play 8-10 hours every day and have the talent for the game to become a progamer you would be noticed. Is it really that bad playing this game on a amateur level?
desRow was one of the first streamers I followed on Justin.tv, but that went to shit when he bm'd me then banned me on his chat for discussing about his previous match that was on his stream. I understand that he might have been frustrated, but he took it out on the wrong person.
I hope he changed since then, because that totally turned me off from returning to his stream.
On December 13 2011 03:04 Termit wrote: Why are so many foreigners so eager to become progamers without showing any specific talent what so ever? I mean, you see threads about master/gm players looking for teams because they wanna be progamers all the time even if they are ladder heroes with 51% win ratio. The same goes for people like desrow going to Korea without showing off any sort of talent in this game.
Shouldn't people be able to at least beast it up on ladder or tournaments before thinking of going pro? If you would play 8-10 hours every day and have the talent for the game to become a progamer you would be noticed. Is it really that bad playing this game on a amateur level?
well that is what happens in a sport where there is no governing body to say who is or isn't pro, I agree with your point btw
On December 13 2011 03:04 Termit wrote: Why are so many foreigners so eager to become progamers without showing any specific talent what so ever? I mean, you see threads about master/gm players looking for teams because they wanna be progamers all the time even if they are ladder heroes with 51% win ratio. The same goes for people like desrow going to Korea without showing off any sort of talent in this game.
Shouldn't people be able to at least beast it up on ladder or tournaments before thinking of going pro? If you would play 8-10 hours every day and have the talent for the game to become a progamer you would be noticed. Is it really that bad playing this game on a amateur level?
Agreed. If you play full time and still don't have any noticeable results I don't see how Korea is going to help.
On December 13 2011 02:48 Pesto wrote: And who was huk before Korea? Who made fun of incontrol when he went over? Or the dozens of other unknown players playing for example for itsgosu (or gosu gamers or gosu whatthefuckever)? Here is a guy who is fronting his own money for the chance to improve, which he will, 100% (code A? probably not yet...) All because it is his dream to be a pro gamer. Isn't that what we would call "love for Esports" in a different context? Maybe if he had a big name team (cough EG) to throw tons of sponsorship and advertising money at him, he would have more support, but people resent the idea that he is trying to promote himself. I see that as entrepreneurship. Why the fuck not. Good luck Desrow.
Huk had won MLG Raleigh and placed 3rd at DC. Incontrol has a history of being a progamer.
I want to support this guy but the reality of the situation is that he's not very good so it makes little sense to send him to korea. Unless he plans to stay for an extended period of time, he won't see much improvement.
On December 13 2011 03:04 Termit wrote: Why are so many foreigners so eager to become progamers without showing any specific talent what so ever? I mean, you see threads about master/gm players looking for teams because they wanna be progamers all the time even if they are ladder heroes with 51% win ratio. The same goes for people like desrow going to Korea without showing off any sort of talent in this game.
Shouldn't people be able to at least beast it up on ladder or tournaments before thinking of going pro? If you would play 8-10 hours every day and have the talent for the game to become a progamer you would be noticed. Is it really that bad playing this game on a amateur level?
Agreed. If you play full time and still don't have any noticeable results I don't see how Korea is going to help.
Sometimes, a change of atmosphere helps alot. Sure, there are people with more potential that could be sent to Korea, but it's not as if desrow is doomed to failure. If he is determined to stay there for as long as it takes and does that for a considerate amount of time, he is showing a whole lot of more guts than people give him credit for.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
THANK GOD SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN SAID IT AND I DIDNT HAVE TO GET FLAMMED FOR SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. Thank you chill, summed up what my thoughts were.
kinda weird, I remember him saying he would not go to any LAN events after last years ETS because he felt uncomfortable. Now he's going to live with 10+ people in a small space if I understand.
While desRow is a pretty good player, I don't think he is skilled enough to compete in Korea. Still, I applaud him for taking the initiative and wish him the best. He's definitely a dedicated individual and hopefully it will be a good learning experience.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I was going to korea regardless of if I had a team or not. Blame me not them. I'll be streaming around the same hours when I'll be going into the gom house. If I manage to get in a team/clan house my schedule will obviously change but I don't see myself as a personality/entertainer. I know I have success because of my personality/ and that I entertain on stream but ultimately I want to be a top foreigner Protoss. I already play 8-10hours at home, why not do it on the best ladder and get a shot at a clan/pro house at the same time?
Oh and I'm paying for most of the trip and maxfrag is helpîng me as well.
Pay no mind to him, he dumps on everyone that gets to go to Korea. Have a great time over there, I hope you do well.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
Desrow is paying his own way, so how is this a stupid move by his team O_o. Seems like they have nothing invested beyond the tag he wears on his ID.
idn man, I think it's pretty rude to shit all over a dood's dream (that he's paying for) by saying it'd be better spent as a vacation. Isolation and focus can do a lot for an individual. Basically everyone who's trained in Korea has improved, some vastly more than others, so who is to say DesRow won't explode in skill? Huk certainly exploded in skill (mid tier foreigner to top tier world) Why not just wish him luck then laugh quietly to yourself if/when he doesn't meet your internal criteria for training in Korea.
also: everyone making snide comments about the low post count people supporting DesRow... shut up, obviously they are legit, pm rich/mod if you want to pursue it further... you can stop pointing it out twice a page.
DesRow, I wish you best of luck, and am sure if you stay as dedicated as you have been its only a matter of time before you have a break through.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
this.. seems silly to go to korea when your not on top of your region.
what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2,
Bold statement considering Flash trains as much as all top korean BW players and yet he is above their level.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
I was going to korea regardless of if I had a team or not. Blame me not them. I'll be streaming around the same hours when I'll be going into the gom house. If I manage to get in a team/clan house my schedule will obviously change but I don't see myself as a personality/entertainer. I know I have success because of my personality/ and that I entertain on stream but ultimately I want to be a top foreigner Protoss. I already play 8-10hours at home, why not do it on the best ladder and get a shot at a clan/pro house at the same time?
Oh and I'm paying for most of the trip and maxfrag is helpîng me as well.
Pay no mind to him, he dumps on everyone that gets to go to Korea. Have a great time over there, I hope you do well.
Yes, don't analyze my words. Just assume there's an alterior motive behind it.
I think the last person I dumped on about going to Korea was someone who was only going to 3 weeks, arguing that was surely too short a time to have any impact. I don't have a history before that.
On December 13 2011 01:43 Chill wrote: What a great opportunity for Desrow and a stupid move by LgN. I think Starcraft teams don't understand the purpose of an investment.
Edit: Desrow has a lot of fans because of his personality, not his skill level. By sending him to Korea you are isolating the majority of viewers from his stream. He obviously won't make it into Code A. This move just doesn't make sense. I hope Desrow views this as a vacation and doesn't train too hard in Korea.
Desrow is paying his own way, so how is this a stupid move by his team O_o.
Did you read the post you quoted? His stream time is about to change by 12 hours so most of his current viewers won't be able to watch a lot of his content. That's a lot of publicity the team is losing, even if he is paying his own way. Unless he starts placing at tournaments to represent his team, it doesn't seem like a good move. The "isolating the majority of viewers" part of the post you didn't read btw.
And he's not even paying his own way, he has a sponsor.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Juan pretty much says it all. The guy is making his best effort to succeed as a pro gamer. So I support that decision and the player 100%.
And even though I don't really like Desrow, I respect him for this dedication and sacrifice.
Good luck bro. I hope you get what you are looking for. Don't mind these people. Even if you were the worst person in the world, going to korea is huge and you will improve a lot. People should not look at the natural talent a person has but the effort they are making.
I'v lost alot of respect for Chill. Attitudes like that are the reason people become complacent in life and never expect anything of themselves.
I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
On December 13 2011 04:16 aTiMaGikL wrote: I'v lost alot of respect for Chill. Attitudes like that are the reason people become complacent in life and never expect anything of themselves.
On December 13 2011 04:16 aTiMaGikL wrote: Good luck bro. I hope you get what you are looking for. Don't mind these people. Even if you were the worst person in the world going to korea is huge and you will improve a lot. People should not look at the natural talent a person has but the effort they are making.
I'v lost alot of respect for Chill. Attitudes like that are the reason people become complacent in life and never expect anything of themselves.
don't lose respect for Chill just because he speaks his mind about this, obviously not Code A-caliber player.
this all is about being naive or not. desrow isn't that good of a player and just because he tries to be doesn't mean he is.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that
On December 13 2011 04:16 aTiMaGikL wrote: Good luck bro. I hope you get what you are looking for. Don't mind these people. Even if you were the worst person in the world going to korea is huge and you will improve a lot. People should not look at the natural talent a person has but the effort they are making.
I'v lost alot of respect for Chill. Attitudes like that are the reason people become complacent in life and never expect anything of themselves.
don't lose respect for Chill just because he speaks his mind about this, obviously not Code A-caliber player.
this all is about being naive or not. desrow isn't that good of a player and just because he tries to be doesn't mean he is.
It's more then speaking your mind. What he did was a direct attack on Desrow and his future ambitions. Life brings people down hard enough without others throwing it into your face.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that
Dude, desrow is GM in two regions and thats with all the streaming and coaching every day as well. If anyone can learn fast from koreans then it would be desrow.
On December 13 2011 04:16 aTiMaGikL wrote: Good luck bro. I hope you get what you are looking for. Don't mind these people. Even if you were the worst person in the world going to korea is huge and you will improve a lot. People should not look at the natural talent a person has but the effort they are making.
I'v lost alot of respect for Chill. Attitudes like that are the reason people become complacent in life and never expect anything of themselves.
don't lose respect for Chill just because he speaks his mind about this, obviously not Code A-caliber player.
this all is about being naive or not. desrow isn't that good of a player and just because he tries to be doesn't mean he is.
It's more then speaking your mind. What he did was a direct attack on Desrow and his future ambitions. Life brings people down hard enough without others throwing it into your face.
i hate people who push you down but this is just being realistic. desrow is not as good as the Code A players. he simply isn't. im not trying to take anything away from him but one has to be realistic.
i'd rather have someone tell me the truth before i'm about to do something retarded than having people around you cheering you on while they all know you'll fail. which one do you prefer?
Sure, and I applaud him for trying, but this is the wrong way to go about trying. Go to KR after you have some results of being a good NA pro. No reason you can't shouldn't prove that you can get to the 2nd step of the staircase before trying to jump to the 7th.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his follows know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
And Chill is right, Desrow should enjoy his time in korea, but he doesn't have the right mind set to acquire enough confident and skill to compete with the best. If he had a good mindset we wouldn't be seeing all these brag blogs.
Oh and for your information, there is such thing as talents in sc2, this talent is the ability to always make the right decision under stress and high pressure situations. None of his10 hours a day 7 days a week practice hours is going to create a high pressure situation consistently.
After said all that, I honestly hope desrow will have a good time, and become better at sc2, tryout the Code A qualifier, but don't give up when you fail at first attempt, keep try and try again.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that
Dude, desrow is GM in two regions and thats with all the streaming and coaching every day as well. If anyone can learn fast from koreans then it would be desrow.
your last sentence simply doesn't make sense. there are numerous other people who would learn faster than desrow, in my opinion.
GM actually doesn't say anything. Code A (not to mention Code S) is far far above GM level. being GM is about laddering and things like endurance (?), not being good at the game. of course you have to be good at the game to be in GM but to play in Code A you have to be go-od.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Wow, not gonna lie, this is the first nice thing I have ever heard you say. Well Played dood! Hopefully you can shake the rep that seems to follow you around as well.
Good luck desrow! :D I hope you learn alot from your stay in Korea. Utilize all your tools you have while you are over there. IIRC there are alot of protosses in the gom house atm that you can definitely learn a thing or two from.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
I believe that hard work will get you far and that bashing shouldnt happen but please dont think for a minute that talent does not exist. If this were true there everyone would be a professional athlete or whatever else. The fact is that natural talent does exist and some people are naturally better (their brains actually are better developed in certain areas) at certain things than others.
Does this mean that you can never achieve these things? No. Does this mean that more than likely other people will excel at them over you? Yes.
On December 13 2011 04:36 Oreo7 wrote: @ people saying "well it's his dream"
Sure, and I applaud him for trying, but this is the wrong way to go about trying. Go to KR after you have some results of being a good NA pro. No reason you can't shouldn't prove that you can get to the 2nd step of the staircase before trying to jump to the 7th.
Nice opportunity for desRow, but in general I feel it is just a waste of time and money. Yes Korea is a place where someone can boot camp hardcore and come out looking like a brand new player, but for someone of his caliber to take the trip is somewhat of a joke. He has very little to no results and I feel he hasn't hit the ceiling that he can in NA. I view this very much like someone who is debating on getting an EU or KR account while in NA. If you're not the tip top on the ladder you play right now, and still have trouble at mid-GM, there is no reason to upgrade to something even harder and hope that it makes improvement faster.
All in all, while it's nice to see some more foreigners head out to KR, I feel too many are beginning to jump the gun and see KR as a "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" (DBZ), they see people like HuK and Sase spend a fair amount of time in KR and come out as beasts. I feel it fills false hope into the players who just don't really have the skill cap to play at that level.
On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote: I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill.
no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that
Dude, desrow is GM in two regions and thats with all the streaming and coaching every day as well. If anyone can learn fast from koreans then it would be desrow.
your last sentence simply doesn't make sense. there are numerous other people who would learn faster than desrow, in my opinion.
GM actually doesn't say anything. Code A (not to mention Code S) is far far above GM level. being GM is about laddering and things like endurance (?), not being good at the game. of course you have to be good at the game to be in GM but to play in Code A you have to be go-od.
when has going to korea in starcraft 2 ever affected someones play negatively? he is trying to get better the most efficient way and training in korea is obviously that
On December 13 2011 04:36 Oreo7 wrote: @ people saying "well it's his dream"
Sure, and I applaud him for trying, but this is the wrong way to go about trying. Go to KR after you have some results of being a good NA pro. No reason you can't shouldn't prove that you can get to the 2nd step of the staircase before trying to jump to the 7th.
Sweeeet! This is awesome, much love for a Canadian brother Hope you do well out in Korea, I will be cheering you on buddy!
A message to all those saying "BLAH BLAH GET BETTER IN NA FIRST BLAH BLAH YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH!": Clearly none of you have ever excelled at anything in your life nor have tried to in the proper fashion. Please stop reflecting your own shortcomings on others. Speaking from the point of view of someone who has excelled at things, and associated with many others that have, the best way to do so is to compete against those who are MUCH better than you. Not so much that you get stomped completely every time, but so much that the person/people are clearly better than you. It will make you pick up your game and just try that much harder to get better at what you are practising. And I don't think that all the Korean players are that much better than desrow that one could argue he will get completely stomped out there.
I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Edit: The cost to team is even lower with desRow himself contributing to the plane ticket and such. Why NOT? If I'm the team management, and I get a chance to improve the ability of one of the players without spending too much, I'd do it too!
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
I believe that hard work will get you far and that bashing shouldnt happen but please dont think for a minute that talent does not exist. If this were true there everyone would be a professional athlete or whatever else. The fact is that natural talent does exist and some people are naturally better (their brains actually are better developed in certain areas) at certain things than others.
Does this mean that you can never achieve these things? No. Does this mean that more than likely other people will excel at them over you? Yes.
Regardless GL to desRow in korea and have fun.
i disagree to a certain extent. Everything in sc2 can be taught, micro, macro, decision making, playing under pressure, etc etc. You can't exactly teach an athlete to be tall/faster/strong/gifted.
Sure somebody can learn sc2 faster than others and just know how to improve better, but that does not mean someone with no 'talent" cannot become a good player. Honestly the only way to get better at games is to play them a lot, there's not some hidden secret that pro players are just more gifted than regular gamers, they just play the game more (for the most part)
I'm far from a desrow fan, but I do wish him luck on pursuing his dreams, and shame on those who are bashing somebody who has the balls to do what he wants. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if people shit on your dreams, so why do it to desrow?
Picture this: The only child, a real momma's boy, who lives at home and barely goes out of the house. He spends most of his time grinding a videogame and has probably always been pick on for his weight, gets told he's this and can't do that. That guy is getting on a plane to South effin Korea to chase his dream. Now that's brave. Can't have nothing but respect for a person who does that no matter what.
I wish you the best of luck on your eastern adventure, desRow. It will be a big life experience no matter how your game goes.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
I believe that hard work will get you far and that bashing shouldnt happen but please dont think for a minute that talent does not exist. If this were true there everyone would be a professional athlete or whatever else. The fact is that natural talent does exist and some people are naturally better (their brains actually are better developed in certain areas) at certain things than others.
Does this mean that you can never achieve these things? No. Does this mean that more than likely other people will excel at them over you? Yes.
Regardless GL to desRow in korea and have fun.
i disagree to a certain extent. Everything in sc2 can be taught, micro, macro, decision making, playing under pressure, etc etc. You can't exactly teach an athlete to be tall/faster/strong/gifted.
Sure somebody can learn sc2 faster than others and just know how to improve better, but that does not mean someone with no 'talent" cannot become a good player. Honestly the only way to get better at games is to play them a lot, there's not some hidden secret that pro players are just more gifted than regular gamers, they just play the game more (for the most part)
I'm far from a desrow fan, but I do wish him luck on pursuing his dreams, and shame on those who are bashing somebody who has the balls to do what he wants. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if people shit on your dreams, so why do it to desrow?
Unfortunately thats just not true. Im sorry I used professional athletes but you can argue the point in any professions, even ones that dont require physical prowess.
What you said is true, people can learn these things, but like I said... some people are naturally better at them. Some people just have better decision making. Its like saying everyone can be bobby fischer... do you really think thats true?
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
I'm not saying anyone is bashing the player.
I'm arguing it's a move that makes sense in the cost/benefit angle for the team, not necessarily for desRow himself.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
I believe that hard work will get you far and that bashing shouldnt happen but please dont think for a minute that talent does not exist. If this were true there everyone would be a professional athlete or whatever else. The fact is that natural talent does exist and some people are naturally better (their brains actually are better developed in certain areas) at certain things than others.
Does this mean that you can never achieve these things? No. Does this mean that more than likely other people will excel at them over you? Yes.
Regardless GL to desRow in korea and have fun.
i disagree to a certain extent. Everything in sc2 can be taught, micro, macro, decision making, playing under pressure, etc etc. You can't exactly teach an athlete to be tall/faster/strong/gifted.
Sure somebody can learn sc2 faster than others and just know how to improve better, but that does not mean someone with no 'talent" cannot become a good player. Honestly the only way to get better at games is to play them a lot, there's not some hidden secret that pro players are just more gifted than regular gamers, they just play the game more (for the most part)
I'm far from a desrow fan, but I do wish him luck on pursuing his dreams, and shame on those who are bashing somebody who has the balls to do what he wants. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if people shit on your dreams, so why do it to desrow?
Unfortunately thats just not true. Im sorry I used professional athletes but you can argue the point in any professions, even ones that dont require physical prowess.
What you said is true, people can learn these things, but like I said... some people are naturally better at them. Some people just have better decision making. Its like saying everyone can be bobby fischer... do you really think thats true?
Of course not, but I highly doubt desrow or his team is expecting him to be the next flash when he returns from korea. Also I think its near impossible to predict how well somebody will do with proper training, even people with amazing talent can sometimes fall flat on their face (you see it all the time in pro sports, top first round draft picks being completely bad and people who they say don't have the talent to be the best become superstars, like tom brady)
I think it's great that desRow is going to Korea. Should be an unforgettable experience for him. I'm looking forward to hearing how he does! (and I'm a lurker and not regular poster; there are lots of us )
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
I really don't see why. What if he wants to get better? What if he wants exposure to that scene? What if he wants to see if he can improve to a point where he is top tier?
Unless the guy doesn't want to go, or doesn't really have the money, I don't see how it's silly or cost-inefficient.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
GOODLUCK DESROW~! i think he has the perfect idea staying for as long as he is. Here could be a true test of how it helps improve your skill just being in korea alone.
takes a lot of dedication & commitment to drop everything and go to a foreign country just to pursue something you love. good luck desrow. would have been nicer if you had gone to Korea like a year ago though :D
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
First off, Destiny is better than DesRow. Second off, he's going for 3 weeks to test the waters, and it's all paid for him where as DesRow is going for a year and has to pay for it.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
At that time it wasn't announced that he was funding the trip. Why would a team announce that their player is going to Korea when they had zero involvement in it? I think it was fair to assume the team is involved. Had I known they weren't, I wouldn't have commented.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
At that time it wasn't announced that he was funding the trip. Why would a team announce that their player is going to Korea when they had zero involvement in it? Had I known, I wouldn't have commented.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
At that time it wasn't announced that he was funding the trip. Why would a team announce that their player is going to Korea when they had zero involvement in it? I think it was fair to assume the team is involved. Had I known they weren't, I wouldn't have commented.
I am aware that I forgot to mention that I am covering most of the trip, I think it would of helped and remove most of the comments in this thread saying legion was making a bad move. I've been working 6months talking with almost every pro house to make this happen. I've been fortunate enough to come across maxfrag who will help me pay my plane ticket but we are still talking about 1000$+ of travel/otherstuff expenses. I've made the person posting the OP edit it to make it more obvious I am paying for almost everything.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
At that time it wasn't announced that he was funding the trip. Why would a team announce that their player is going to Korea when they had zero involvement in it? I think it was fair to assume the team is involved. Had I known they weren't, I wouldn't have commented.
Because the team is very excited about this opportunity. Also, desRow will likely be training with our korean line-up when he is there. "Zero involvement" is a pretty bad way to describe that...
i hope you do well, despite many hate you i like your stream, even if you are not the best player around. Playing with better players will make you better obviously.
Ps: Make Chill eat his words GSL Code S March, Desrow incoming
yeah i thought it was weird a team announced there player going to korea yet not helping him what so ever. I hope Desrow finds a team that appreciates the effort he is putting into making himself a better player and want to help support him! I mean, i dont kno the details maybe they arent in the position where they can help him but please... Dont misslead people for better attention on urself. Made you look so ugly in my eyes.
On December 13 2011 06:09 TylerThaCreator wrote: You're a player with good potential DesRow, gl in Korea. I hope you find great success there
(also I believe this is the first time we've had a person actually paying for themselves to go to Korea to practice, am I wrong?)
?????? Sase was in korea teamlesss for how long? and in case i am wrong. Moonglade?? still not for sure on that one. But one i am sure of is QxGShuffle is in korea on his own so i dont think desrow is the first.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
Players don't seem to have a problem streaming from Korea, unless it's in house practice. I think the whole "I'm playing with the best guys!" flare will help give his stream more recognition and more legitimacy (hopefully more viewers!).
On December 13 2011 06:08 freetgy wrote: i hope you do well, despite many hate you i like your stream, even if you are not the best player around. Playing with better players will make you better obviously.
Ps: Make Chill eat his words GSL Code S March, Desrow incoming
He won't be playing with better players. Why do people think this?
He has not hit the roof of NA and EU. The roof on KR is much higher. He will simply be playing people the same skill level as the people he was hitting on NA, except better.
Think about it like a literal ladder. Desrow right now is climbing the NA ladder. He is on the 8th of 10 rungs. Pretty good, but their are still more rungs to climb. Now, on the other side of this huge fucking ocean theirs a ladder where people speak a different language have a hugely different culture etc, but their ladder goes up to the 15th rung (. Except Desrow wont be on that 15th rung. He will still be on the 8th. He will be playing exactly the same level of starcraft, except against Korean C Teamers instead of NA B teamers.
!!! my frustration with this thread grows every time I open it
On December 13 2011 06:10 QxGRockEr wrote: yeah i thought it was weird a team announced there player going to korea yet not helping him what so ever. I hope Desrow finds a team that appreciates the effort he is putting into making himself a better player and want to help support him! I mean, i dont kno the details maybe they arent in the position where they can help him but please... Dont misslead people for better attention on urself. Made you look so ugly in my eyes.
As I said in my previous post: we never intended to deceive anyone. Just really excited that des will be going to korea. We will help him out any way we can during his stay (mostly our korean line-up can be of help to him). I don't really see how the financials about the whole matter change the fact that Marc is going to Korea to practice.
On December 13 2011 06:16 Oreo7 wrote:
He won't be playing with better players. Why do people think this?
The OP speaks of ToD and the other foreigners at the Gom.tv house, as well as our korean line-up. How will he not be playing with better players?
On December 13 2011 06:08 freetgy wrote: i hope you do well, despite many hate you i like your stream, even if you are not the best player around. Playing with better players will make you better obviously.
Ps: Make Chill eat his words GSL Code S March, Desrow incoming
He won't be playing with better players. Why do people think this?
He has not hit the roof of NA and EU. The roof on KR is much higher. He will simply be playing people the same skill level as the people he was hitting on NA, except better.
Think about it like a literal ladder. Desrow right now is climbing the NA ladder. He is on the 8th of 10 rungs. Pretty good, but their are still more rungs to climb. Now, on the other side of this huge fucking ocean theirs a ladder where people speak a different language have a hugely different culture etc, but their ladder goes up to the 15th rung (. Except Desrow wont be on that 15th rung. He will still be on the 8th. He will be playing exactly the same level of starcraft, except against Korean C Teamers instead of NA B teamers.
!!! my frustration with this thread grows every time I open it
i dont agree with this at all. Playing koreans every single game will indeed be much better practice. Like seriously..... Thats like saying playing with NBA stars is the same as playing with WNBA stars even tho im not as good as neither might as well play with WNBA stars till im as good as them then go to practicing with NBA stars. You see more tricks you are forced to play faster and quite frankly he will lose a lot more. Imo going to korea is a huge shortcut on bettering urself.
For those non sports fan.... 1 WNBA star can dunk. 98% in the NBA can dunk.
WOW why are all these people shitting on desrow. Although desrow hasn't gone to international events it doesn't mean its not because hes not good enough, its because unless you win there isn't enough exposure (ie polt a couple of MLGs ago a GSL player but he didn't get any games casted if i remember correctly). When someone is good enough to take games of white ra, violet, Major, dragon, TLO, and more. If he's good enough to do that now spending 2+ months in a pro gaming house in korea is going escalating him to a world class player. You had better start watching Code A to see the manner bear mauling people.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
Nothing is ruined you dummy. The ratio of positive comments to valid questions to haters is like 95:4:1 in this thread.
On December 13 2011 06:28 ExorArgus wrote: WOW why are all these people shitting on desrow. Although desrow hasn't gone to international events it doesn't mean its not because hes not good enough, its because unless you win there isn't enough exposure (ie polt a couple of MLGs ago a GSL player but he didn't get any games casted if i remember correctly). When someone is good enough to take games of white ra, violet, Major, dragon, TLO, and more. If he's good enough to do that now spending 2+ months in a pro gaming house in korea is going escalating him to a world class player. You had better start watching Code A to see the manner bear mauling people.
Hey desrow: I don't like you. Your blog post about you beating professional players on the ladder -- particularly Idra -- were childish. But it's obvious plowing forward, and trying to become a better player. Also, you're doing your best to become forum name.
Regarding your decision to go to Korea, I think it's silly. You're ability to rapidly switch screens and process situations is very bad, and whenever you stream your keyboard and hands, it's obvious you finger speed is lacking. You're not exceptionally dedicated; it's not like you've been tipping back redbulls and pushing yourself through fourteen hour training sessions. And finally, I think you're too sensitive, and you'll become homesick. You constantly dismiss and laugh at "haters," putting forward confident persona, but I believe that's you compensating for insecurity. You don't have the skills to succeed in Korea.
All that a given, I really do respect you for making this attempt. Imagine if you train hard and become one of the top players. Think about all the players who have laughed at you. Think about Incontrol and Idra, and how insulted you on talk shows. Think about the different posters and moderators who've mocked you. Wouldn't it be a peach to meet Catz and Destiny on the ladder and let it slip that you've been invited to a Dreamhack? Or a Gom tournament?
Long sigh. That won't happen. You'll fail. The Koreans are too good. You'll come home. And you'll make a vague reference to an undisclosed personal or contractual problem that was purportedly the catalyst for your return (instead of the real reason: "I'm not good enough.").
Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all.That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all. That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
i love how u say u read mostly everything yet u still think LgN is sending him
I'm near certain that Desrow understands the position of his career better than anyone in this thread, and while I do not believe he is near the skill level required to compete in Code A, if he is willing to put in the dedication and work required to get there during a prolonged stay in korea, why would we be critical of that? I wish Desrow the best, and I hope he does well in Korea.
On December 13 2011 06:31 -_- wrote: Hey desrow: I don't like you. Your blog post about you beating professional players on the ladder -- particularly Idra -- were childish. But it's obvious plowing forward, and trying to become a better player. Also, you're doing your best to become forum name.
Regarding your decision to go to Korea, I think it's silly. You're ability to rapidly switch screens and process situations is very bad, and whenever you stream your keyboard and hands, it's obvious you finger speed is lacking. You're not exceptionally dedicated; it's not like you've been tipping back redbulls and pushing yourself through fourteen hour training sessions. And finally, I think you're too sensitive, and you'll become homesick. You constantly dismiss and laugh at "haters," putting forward confident persona, but I believe that's you compensating for insecurity. You don't have the skills to succeed in Korea.
All that a given, I really do respect you for making this attempt. Imagine if you train hard and become one of the top players. Think about all the players who have laughed at you. Think about Incontrol and Idra, and how insulted you on talk shows. Think about the different posters and moderators who've mocked you. Wouldn't it be a peach to meet Catz and Destiny on the ladder and let it slip that you've been invited to a Dreamhack? Or a Gom tournament?
Long sigh. That won't happen. You'll fail. The Koreans are too good. You'll come home. And you'll make a vague reference to an undisclosed personal or contractual problem that was purportedly the catalyst for your return (instead of the real reason: "I'm not good enough.").
Everyone should be excited at Desrow having the opportunity to travel over to Korea and train. Considering Desrow's footing most of the bill, he's worked out it's a good thing for him to take a shot at. Let the man go chase his dream. If he makes it we can make a great Disney Starcraft movie.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
1. Props to you for attempting it. 2. But I think it will be a waste of time, as there is a skill level that you must have in order for Korea to actually be beneficial and not just the same as the NA ladder, and I do not believe Desrow is at that skill level.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all. That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
i love how u say u read everything yet u still think LgN is sending him
Oh they're not? I just assumed. I also saw multiple posts from other people make those claims as well. I'm certainly not the first in this thread to assume that then.
Then it's simply Desrow wasting his money. Sure go for fun, try to be a better player. However anyone that knows him knows his skill isn't up to par. It's really that simple.
If LgN isn't sending him, then its actually a win for them because they don't have to pay any money for the Korea exposure. (Even though I think they have a KR division anyways)
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
Korea is no different from anywhere else: You need to be likeable to be liked. The big difference is that appearance is more of a factor in your likeability as a man in Korea than in Canada. Being an overweight foreigner in Korea can make it difficult to make friends, but it's not impossible to overcome it with charisma.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
Nothing is ruined you dummy. The ratio of positive comments to valid questions to haters is like 95:4:1 in this thread.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
Seriously dude? Desrow knows he's big. He's making a conscious effort to lose weight. I've been watching this guy stream for a couple months now and everything about him is getting better. His game, his manner and his lifestyle choice. Like everyone, he has issues and problems he needs to deal with it - unlike everyone - he's actually doing something about it. He's following his dream, despite all the shit everyone is throwing at him.
Good luck to you Desrow! I'm looking forward to continue watching your stream.
PS: Yes, I'm one of the guys with hardly any posts on this forum. It doesn't mean I don't read the forums, or that I am somehow a Desrow spy. Sigh.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
destiny says he still plans to stream while in korea
Going to ignore all the drama and say GL Desrow! Your dedication and work ethic seems to be beyond most foreigners, hopefully you can turn it into some sick skills!
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
i think this guy was being sarcastic
You're probably right. I've gone full retard.
i hereby want to thank you for making my evening really amusing
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all. That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
i love how u say u read everything yet u still think LgN is sending him
Oh they're not? I just assumed. I also saw multiple posts from other people make those claims as well. I'm certainly not the first in this thread to assume that then.
Then it's simply Desrow wasting his money. Sure go for fun, try to be a better player. However anyone that knows him knows his skill isn't up to par. It's really that simple.
If LgN isn't sending him, then its actually a win for them because they don't have to pay any money for the Korea exposure. (Even though I think they have a KR division anyways)
Please use ur head. desrow makes money from SC and streaming you dont think by him going to korea and fully commiting himsef wont g et him more of a followinG? and eventually more money? have you read how long he will be staying yet? Months. and months. watch him get drastically better and a succesful team want to have him be apart of there team. The only arguement i think you really have is if you know desrow pretty well and think hes better off doing something else with his time. But way i see it is hes still going to be streaming and more then likely still coaching. So if his following grows. WHAT DO U KNO, so does his wallet.
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
i think this guy was being sarcastic
Sadly, I am not so sure about that :\ you can never tell hahaha!
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all.That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
After everything that has been posted in this thread - i actually think you have achieved the dumbest post. Have you read anything that has happened? Because if you had i don't believe a single sentence in your post is relevant.
edit: just saw your other post
Best of luck desrow - while i would tend to agree with Chill's position, as well as not really appreciating the personality you have demonstrated on this forum, i still hope you achieve your goals and get everything you want from this trip.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
destiny says he still plans to stream while in korea
Right now it's 16:40 EST and 06:40 in Korea. That's my point.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Chill wrote:Nobody is shitting on him. Read.
You can't deny there's a lot of "Meh, don't think he's good enough to make it into Code A"
That's not too big insult since Code A is difficult but it is still an insult and it is negative.
I'm not planning on going to Korea and training at the moment but if I was I'd hope that I wouldn't get the kind of reception desrow is getting in this thread. The man hopefully knows his own skill level and made a tough call. That's guts and heart yo! I think he's got a chance at Code A. Hooray him for having the confidence to leap at it.
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
destiny says he still plans to stream while in korea
Right now it's 16:40 EST and 06:40 in Korea. That's my point.
dont underestimate destiny's pony tail following. they will change there sleeping habits before missing him rage at koreans.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
Korea is no different from anywhere else: You need to be likeable to be liked. The big difference is that appearance is more of a factor in your likeability as a man in Korea than in Canada. Being an overweight foreigner in Korea can make it difficult to make friends, but it's not impossible to overcome it with charisma.
I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
On December 13 2011 05:33 CluEleSs_UK wrote: I admire that people want to succeed at SC2, but when you're not even a top tier/2nd tier pro in NA, I think it's silly going to Korea.
Destiny shouldn't even bother going to Korea huh?
When SC2 is your livelihood, it's going to help your career no matter what happens.
Is SC2 his livelihood, or is coaching and streaming his livelihood? I don't know what his salary is but I think it's safe to assume he makes his living from streaming and coaching which will be significantly adversely affected by going to Korea.
destiny says he still plans to stream while in korea
Right now it's 16:40 EST and 06:40 in Korea. That's my point.
dont underestimate destiny's pony tail following. they will change there sleeping habits before missing him rage at koreans.
btw. not trying to downgrade having a pony tail. But if you see destinys crowed at any MLG he weirdly has 20 people in it that have pony tails at any given time at every MLG.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Chill wrote:Nobody is shitting on him. Read.
You can't deny there's a lot of "Meh, don't think he's good enough to make it into Code A"
That's not too big insult since Code A is difficult but it is still an insult and it is negative.
I'm not planning on going to Korea and training at the moment but if I was I'd hope that I wouldn't get the kind of reception desrow is getting in this thread. The man hopefully knows his own skill level and made a tough call. That's guts and heart yo! I think he's got a chance at Code A. Hooray him for having the confidence to leap at it.
it's not an insult
just like saying idra is short is not an insult either. it's being realistic
grab a better-than-average random chick from the street, try to squeeze her into some sexy dress, and throw her into a miss asia beauty competition. i feel like desrow fans are expecting everyone to cheer like "go baby! you'll win the competition!"
If it works out, it's fine, if it doesn't work out it's just as fine. In the latter case merely some money and time lost while chasing a dream and the ability to say you did try and gave everything you had. Good luck Desrow.
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
On December 13 2011 05:11 hmsrenown wrote: I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Is anyone even bashing him? The worst I've read is people writing they don't think the cost/benefit supports doing this.
That's not bashing. You don't always have to squeel whenever someone is doing anything for ESPORTS.
Look, I know that if I saved a up a ton of money to follow my dream to go to Korea, and then someone said they hoped I treated the stay like a vacation, I would be upset. It's rude and you're taking away his moment. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but it probably would've been better if you hadn't made the comment in the first place.
you're right, no one should have an opinion about anything ever because someone might get upset and have their moment ruined, shame on you Chill, why did you air an opinion about an announcement made by an sc2 team about one of their players? disgusting tbh
What the fuck are you talking about?
I told him it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he should treat it as such - focusing on experiencing a foreign country as opposed to sitting in a room grinding ladder all day. I wrote that when I thought his team was funding the trip. Now that I know he's funding the trip himself, I've stopped saying that and hope he can accomplish his goals, while still wondering if it was a smart move.
Fuck off calling me disgusting for not blindly and mindlessly dropping a "GL !!! FIGHTING!!!" comment. I do wish him the best as risking your own money is way more commendable than only risking your own time. I'm simply thinking out loud if it was the best choice.
Nothing is ruined you dummy. The ratio of positive comments to valid questions to haters is like 95:4:1 in this thread.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Chill wrote:Nobody is shitting on him. Read.
You can't deny there's a lot of "Meh, don't think he's good enough to make it into Code A"
That's not too big insult since Code A is difficult but it is still an insult and it is negative.
I'm not planning on going to Korea and training at the moment but if I was I'd hope that I wouldn't get the kind of reception desrow is getting in this thread. The man hopefully knows his own skill level and made a tough call. That's guts and heart yo! I think he's got a chance at Code A. Hooray him for having the confidence to leap at it.
that maybe true, but I don't think you shitted all over the forum vets like desrow did neither, so its not fair comparing yourself to desrow because nobody dislike you.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all. That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
i love how u say u read everything yet u still think LgN is sending him
Oh they're not? I just assumed. I also saw multiple posts from other people make those claims as well. I'm certainly not the first in this thread to assume that then.
Then it's simply Desrow wasting his money. Sure go for fun, try to be a better player. However anyone that knows him knows his skill isn't up to par. It's really that simple.
If LgN isn't sending him, then its actually a win for them because they don't have to pay any money for the Korea exposure. (Even though I think they have a KR division anyways)
Please use ur head. desrow makes money from SC and streaming you dont think by him going to korea and fully commiting himsef wont g et him more of a followinG? and eventually more money? have you read how long he will be staying yet? Months. and months. watch him get drastically better and a succesful team want to have him be apart of there team. The only arguement i think you really have is if you know desrow pretty well and think hes better off doing something else with his time. But way i see it is hes still going to be streaming and more then likely still coaching. So if his following grows. WHAT DO U KNO, so does his wallet.
I actually know desrow way back from wc3 but I don't even want to talk about it because its a joke.
Go find the post a few pages back by "-_-" it explains a lot about his game. Months in korea? LMAO. Sure he might get better.
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
Korea is no different from anywhere else: You need to be likeable to be liked. The big difference is that appearance is more of a factor in your likeability as a man in Korea than in Canada. Being an overweight foreigner in Korea can make it difficult to make friends, but it's not impossible to overcome it with charisma.
At least, this is what I found when I was there.
Thats pretty dead on. Koreans in general tie health together with the type of person they are in a way. Its more of a cultural thing rather than being superficial. When someone is fat, they think they don't take care of themselves (also not a desirable trait in korea) and the opposite for being skinny. Lets be honest, some laugh at fat ppl lol
On December 13 2011 06:31 Nizzy wrote: Just wanted to say I've read most of this thread and have to agree with Chill on every aspect.
Nobody is making fun or talking shit on Desrow for going to Korea. I don't even think Major understands the logic here.
It's kind of a joke for LgN to be sending him to Korea. This is on par with the Spades move, IMO. These players aren't even top 20 in the NA "scene/server." I understood/agreed with the Drewbie to Korea, well because he was top 16 in most of the MLG's and actual won some series vs other top players. Has Desrow even been to any MLGs? I don't think so.
There is no way LgN is going to get a good ROI on this move or any ROI at all. That's what the discussion is here.
In addition, somewhat off topic but true... from what LS (lastshadow) says you need to be fairly attractive for the general people to be nice to you there. Not trying to personally insult desrow however Koreans will have no respect for an overweight NA foreigner. He probably won't like going outside much, however it looks like that's his lifestyle at the moment. Just being honest.
i love how u say u read everything yet u still think LgN is sending him
Oh they're not? I just assumed. I also saw multiple posts from other people make those claims as well. I'm certainly not the first in this thread to assume that then.
Then it's simply Desrow wasting his money. Sure go for fun, try to be a better player. However anyone that knows him knows his skill isn't up to par. It's really that simple.
If LgN isn't sending him, then its actually a win for them because they don't have to pay any money for the Korea exposure. (Even though I think they have a KR division anyways)
Please use ur head. desrow makes money from SC and streaming you dont think by him going to korea and fully commiting himsef wont g et him more of a followinG? and eventually more money? have you read how long he will be staying yet? Months. and months. watch him get drastically better and a succesful team want to have him be apart of there team. The only arguement i think you really have is if you know desrow pretty well and think hes better off doing something else with his time. But way i see it is hes still going to be streaming and more then likely still coaching. So if his following grows. WHAT DO U KNO, so does his wallet.
I actually know desrow way back from wc3 but I don't even want to talk about it because its a joke.
Go find the post a few pages back by "-_-" it explains a lot about his game. Months in korea? LMAO. Sure he might get better.
Thanks for the discussion Rocker.
I'm all ears, give me the goods from his wc3 days.
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
Read rockers post about WNBA and the NBA it was explained pretty well. The better the players you play the better you will HAVE to get to compete. It forces you to play outside your comfort zone and play faster and better.
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
Read rockers post about WNBA and the NBA it was explained pretty well. The better the players you play the better you will HAVE to get to compete. It forces you to play outside your comfort zone and play faster and better.
I know. But how will you compete in a 100m dash, when you barely can stand on your feet?
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
Read rockers post about WNBA and the NBA it was explained pretty well. The better the players you play the better you will HAVE to get to compete. It forces you to play outside your comfort zone and play faster and better.
pretty sure his mmr would be adjusted there that he would be just as much out of his comfort zone there as on NA, just a league or two lower
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
Read rockers post about WNBA and the NBA it was explained pretty well. The better the players you play the better you will HAVE to get to compete. It forces you to play outside your comfort zone and play faster and better.
yeah but if you can't even play well at online tourneys etc then how are you going to compete in korea with the big boys?
-stopsky- I don't think you understood desrow's dilemma, he can only mass game on ladder, he has no top notch practice partners he can use to mass game and improve. On ladder, blizzard made it so that he will be winning exactly 50% of the time. And Desrow is not good enough to reach the top end of NA ladder, where he wins more than 50% of the time and blizzard's ladder system can't match him up with someone better to keep him at 50%.
So when he gets to korea, he will be doing exactly what he's been doing in NA, winning 50% of his games on ladder, except he will be doing his in diamond league instead of Grandmaster league.
On December 13 2011 06:45 tetrismaan wrote: I don't understand this. Why not just save those money so that you can travel to large US or EU events and try to show something there, instead of wasting your money on being roflstomped in Korea?
Because playing in one tournament over a weekend does not improve your skill as much as playing in korea around better players for months. Do you understand now?
But why spend so much money to be better, when he haven't even reached his max where he is now?
It's like a baby trying to run before it can walk.
Read rockers post about WNBA and the NBA it was explained pretty well. The better the players you play the better you will HAVE to get to compete. It forces you to play outside your comfort zone and play faster and better.
yeah but if you can't even play well at online tourneys etc then how are you going to compete in korea with the big boys?
I think most of you are missing the point. He has to play people that are better aka the "big boys" and this is going to force him to play better or fail. Do you not understand this? And yea his MMR might balance out on ladder but Im sure inhouse gamers and other people will give him games. Last post I dont care if you disagree with this you clearly dont get it and its derailing this thread.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: ...lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent.
Minigun is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
..what?
I could easily say
Random Bronze scrub is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
and it still wouldnt prove anything.
also dont think desrow will get far, but i used to like watching him stream so gl
My point was that there is major difference when watching two high ranked players. Some are poetry in motion and some are brute force. That's just the way it is. And there is such thing as talent. Talent itself means nothing but with hard work rapes all the fucking hard work alone in the ass.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: ...lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent.
Minigun is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
..what?
I could easily say
Random Bronze scrub is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
and it still wouldnt prove anything.
also dont think desrow will get far, but i used to like watching him stream so gl
My point was that there is major difference when watching two high ranked players. Some are poetry in motion and some are brute force. That's just the way it is. And there is such thing as talent. Talent itself means nothing but with hard work rapes all the fucking hard work alone in the ass.
Talent must get really mean when he's with Hard Work then... jeeze...
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: ...lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent.
Minigun is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
..what?
I could easily say
Random Bronze scrub is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
and it still wouldnt prove anything.
also dont think desrow will get far, but i used to like watching him stream so gl
My point was that there is major difference when watching two high ranked players. Some are poetry in motion and some are brute force. That's just the way it is. And there is such thing as talent. Talent itself means nothing but with hard work rapes all the fucking hard work alone in the ass.
Talent must get really mean when he's with Hard Work then... jeeze...
Haha, funny guy. It's not my native language, it's hard to express what i mean. Try to use your brain if you really care what is the point i was trying to make on Gosl's comment about "there is no such thing as talent". Anyway, i had enough of this discussion. Have fun guys.
i knew this thread would become a shithole when i saw it up this morning... lol
my opinions: you're attempting to better yourself - that's great and tons of respect to you for it. You're ignoring the haters, doubters, critics, etc. Which is awesome. I hope you get whatever you're looking for in the trip to Korea. If you are going their with expectation to make Code A, I am really not too confident you'll succeed. but if you're just going to purely grind out games and learn as much as you can to be a better rounded player, than nobody can say this trip is a waste of money... as long as you do get better, and from what i've read - you can't get worse by going to korea..
my expectation: you'll get homesick, get beatdown on ladder, and eventually say fuck this. but i hope im wrong...
On December 13 2011 07:01 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:58 Mesha wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:53 arb wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:51 Mesha wrote:
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: ...lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent.
Minigun is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
..what?
I could easily say
Random Bronze scrub is streaming. Check if there is such thing as talent.
and it still wouldnt prove anything.
also dont think desrow will get far, but i used to like watching him stream so gl
My point was that there is major difference when watching two high ranked players. Some are poetry in motion and some are brute force. That's just the way it is. And there is such thing as talent. Talent itself means nothing but with hard work rapes all the fucking hard work alone in the ass.
Talent must get really mean when he's with Hard Work then... jeeze...
Haha, funny guy. It's not my native language, it's hard to express what i mean. Try to use your brain if you really care what is the point i was trying to make on Gosl's comment about "there is no such thing as talent". Anyway, i had enough of this discussion. Have fun guys.
Oh sorry, you actually said it right, I was just making a joke. It was lame, I know...
Just good luck from my side, i think u have to potential to get a real good player. There always will be hater, but mostly they are just jealous on somebody like on you in this case. U just need to deal with it, this is a big step you need to get if u want to get one of the best.
I think some are missing the point, he is not only staying in Korea, he is in a house with other players which should allow better interaction and incentive to seriously train.
It is also going to be interesting to watch him stream his games in Korea and follow how he is going, this has to be better than some guy in his bedroom in Canada. Getting out of his parents house and into a Zone where training is his primary goal can also only be a good thing, it should help him not only be a better player but maybe mature as a person as well.
Good on him for having the guts and drive to do it.
Actually, to be honest, I'm jealous as shit of him. I mean, it's gonna be hard work, so I'm not jealous of that, but I've wanted to go to Korea really, really bad for a while.
I'm sorry desRow but I STILL can't like you and your attitude even after 5/6 years. You probably don't ever remember why though...
I'm finding this move kinda useless... you probably won't catch up since everyone is evolving so fast and I never found that little "something" in your play nor have I been amazed, which you absolutely need to compete with koreans, especially for Code A. Good luck though... you'll need it.
I feel like this is going to be like Drewbie all over again, he goes to Korea, spends some time there but doesn't improve too marginally. I mean Desrow is going for a longer time no doubt but it seems like if you don't have the mindset and work ethic to take full advantage of South Korea's benefits, you don't improve more than you would in your own region. With that in mind, best of luck Desrow.
On December 13 2011 06:10 QxGRockEr wrote: yeah i thought it was weird a team announced there player going to korea yet not helping him what so ever. I hope Desrow finds a team that appreciates the effort he is putting into making himself a better player and want to help support him! I mean, i dont kno the details maybe they arent in the position where they can help him but please... Dont misslead people for better attention on urself. Made you look so ugly in my eyes.
As I said in my previous post: we never intended to deceive anyone. Just really excited that des will be going to korea. We will help him out any way we can during his stay (mostly our korean line-up can be of help to him). I don't really see how the financials about the whole matter change the fact that Marc is going to Korea to practice.
On December 13 2011 07:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: wow, really? this kind of thing makes me wish I had kept playing competitively a few months after release.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
This post from rei pretty much mirrors my sentiments exactly (in that I don't think he can get THAT much from it, but best of luck regardless):
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his follows know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
And Chill is right, Desrow should enjoy his time in korea, but he doesn't have the right mind set to acquire enough confident and skill to compete with the best. If he had a good mindset we wouldn't be seeing all these brag blogs.
Oh and for your information, there is such thing as talents in sc2, this talent is the ability to always make the right decision under stress and high pressure situations. None of his10 hours a day 7 days a week practice hours is going to create a high pressure situation consistently.
After said all that, I honestly hope desrow will have a good time, and become better at sc2, tryout the Code A qualifier, but don't give up when you fail at first attempt, keep try and try again.
On December 13 2011 08:22 ptrpb wrote: I feel like this is going to be like Drewbie all over again, he goes to Korea, spends some time there but doesn't improve too marginally. I mean Desrow is going for a longer time no doubt but it seems like if you don't have the mindset and work ethic to take full advantage of South Korea's benefits, you don't improve more than you would in your own region. With that in mind, best of luck Desrow.
drewbie was better after his stay in Korea. I remember watching him play Stephano during the NASL Open and his play had improved a lot. Granted, it was a single online Bo3, and Stephano wasn't playing his best, but still drewbie looked really good. To be completely honest though, after watching desRow's stream today, he really doesn't seem like he's that good. Also when he was losing he was going on and on about how "Well this guy really isn't that good" which is not the mindset of a Code S or even Code A player. I doubt he'll make it into Code A just because of how difficult it all is and how unskilled he is relative to the Koreans he'll be up against.
Also, I've never even heard of any of the LgN Korean players, do they show up to Code A qualifiers even? I don't recognize any of their names.
I saw Desrow lose to a prolonged 1 basing Terran on his Stream.
Desrow had his 2nd Nexus running for quite a while and Desrow macro slipped and he failed to make enough units to hold off a 1 base Terran (I think he forgot a gateway or two) He had a lot of minerals saved up.
The 1 basing Terran smashed him even after Desrow killed some of his pushes... Desrow didn't make enough Zealots to tank for the stalkers and got rolled.
Terrible micro and Terrible decision making/macro in that game (Maybe he was just having a bad day)
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Completely ignored that chunk of crap...its a wall of garbage...and the amount of effort put into it is near 0...so...
Don't really see why Desrow couldn't wait till he was able to actually beat NA players b4 trying to compete in korea but eh...
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
This post from rei pretty much mirrors my sentiments exactly (in that I don't think he can get THAT much from it, but best of luck regardless):
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his follows know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
And Chill is right, Desrow should enjoy his time in korea, but he doesn't have the right mind set to acquire enough confident and skill to compete with the best. If he had a good mindset we wouldn't be seeing all these brag blogs.
Oh and for your information, there is such thing as talents in sc2, this talent is the ability to always make the right decision under stress and high pressure situations. None of his10 hours a day 7 days a week practice hours is going to create a high pressure situation consistently.
After said all that, I honestly hope desrow will have a good time, and become better at sc2, tryout the Code A qualifier, but don't give up when you fail at first attempt, keep try and try again.
If you think this is bad you haven't seen TT1 type. At least Juan tried to make a point.
On December 13 2011 06:08 freetgy wrote: i hope you do well, despite many hate you i like your stream, even if you are not the best player around. Playing with better players will make you better obviously.
Ps: Make Chill eat his words GSL Code S March, Desrow incoming
He won't be playing with better players. Why do people think this?
He has not hit the roof of NA and EU. The roof on KR is much higher. He will simply be playing people the same skill level as the people he was hitting on NA, except better.
Think about it like a literal ladder. Desrow right now is climbing the NA ladder. He is on the 8th of 10 rungs. Pretty good, but their are still more rungs to climb. Now, on the other side of this huge fucking ocean theirs a ladder where people speak a different language have a hugely different culture etc, but their ladder goes up to the 15th rung (. Except Desrow wont be on that 15th rung. He will still be on the 8th. He will be playing exactly the same level of starcraft, except against Korean C Teamers instead of NA B teamers.
!!! my frustration with this thread grows every time I open it
My thoughts exactly!
that said, i feel like with the proper mindset and work ethic, he will benefit from the practice environment there. (who wouldn't?)
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Completely ignored that chunk of crap...its a wall of garbage...and the amount of effort put into it is near 0...so...
Don't really see why Desrow couldn't wait till he was able to actually beat NA players b4 trying to compete in korea but eh...
So how do you know it's garbage if you didn't read it? Furthermore, how do you know how much effort was put in it?
Damn... can't some people just stay quiet? Do you have to bring negativity in? I could understand if there was a legit reason, but most of you are just bashing him just to bash. Then topping it off with the "Oh but I'm a good guy so good luck I guess" as if that makes it okay. Very childish behavior.
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Completely ignored that chunk of crap...its a wall of garbage...and the amount of effort put into it is near 0...so...
Don't really see why Desrow couldn't wait till he was able to actually beat NA players b4 trying to compete in korea but eh...
So how do you know it's garbage if you didn't read it? Furthermore, how do you know how much effort was put in it?
Damn... can't some people just stay quiet? Do you have to bring negativity in? I could understand if there was a legit reason, but most of you are just bashing him just to bash. Then topping it off with the "Oh but I'm a good guy so good luck I guess" as if that makes it okay. Very childish behavior.
Cuz it isn't saying much anyway. I'm with Orb on this one.
Still, hope Desrow gets better. I'm all for starcraft players improving themselves.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Congrats man! You should have a lot of fun in Korea make sure you take time to focus on your health as well because they made a lot of fun of Sheth when he was there you don't want to go through that!!!
On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote: what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something. this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
I read his whole post without problems and understood everything and English is not even my native language....
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
The amount of evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming it's absurd
so happy for desRow! I knew it was only a matter of time until he was ultimately able to make this move! Hopefully he will be making deep runs in GSL before he ever even considers moving back. Thanks to all involved in helping desRow make his way east!
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
The amount of evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming it's absurd
What's most hilarious about this is that you completely missed his point... and it wasn't even that hard of a point to understand... what does that mean? I don't know, you figure it out.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
The amount of evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming it's absurd
Just wanted to point out that the idea that the English connotation of 'talent' not truly existing has a MASSIVE following amongst scholars. He was saying, like the theory does, that you are not born with any innate ability or skills. Everything is earned through experience and hard work. Of course, you wouldn't know this because you lacked the ability to read it.
Other than that, good luck Desrow. He always seemed like a cheerful person. Hoping for the best.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Typical orb behaviour. I'm always happy to see pro players give their opinion on anything, next time just don't read the comment..
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
The amount of evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming it's absurd
Just wanted to point out that the idea that the English connotation of 'talent' not truly existing has a MASSIVE following amongst scholars. He was saying, like the theory does, that you are not born with any innate ability or skills. Everything is earned through experience and hard work. Of course, you wouldn't know this because you lacked the ability to read it.
Other than that, good luck Desrow. He always seemed like a cheerful person. Hoping for the best.
Edit: By the way, <3 you ventor.
There is a reason why this is a theory and not a law, because there is absolutely no way to prove it true. From my experience this is DEFINITELY not the case. I know people who are top in America who put in absolutely no practice/work and I also know people who play hours a day/analyze replays/etc and cant get into GM.
-If I practiced 12 hours a day, every day, I would still never be Michael Jordan. People have natural aptitudes for things, its sad but its true.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
That's my point exactly. Be more civil about your arguement. It's more effective.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
That's my point exactly. Be more civil about your arguement. It's more effective.
Yes, because being civil about an argument is pulling in a completely unrelated youtube video to try to incriminate one of the parties in the argument and make them look bad through slander. You really hit the nail on the head there.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
The amount of evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming it's absurd
Just wanted to point out that the idea that the English connotation of 'talent' not truly existing has a MASSIVE following amongst scholars. He was saying, like the theory does, that you are not born with any innate ability or skills. Everything is earned through experience and hard work. Of course, you wouldn't know this because you lacked the ability to read it.
Other than that, good luck Desrow. He always seemed like a cheerful person. Hoping for the best.
Edit: By the way, <3 you ventor.
There is a reason why this is a theory and not a law, because there is absolutely no way to prove it true. From my experience this is DEFINITELY not the case. I know people who are top in America who put in absolutely no practice/work and I also know people who play hours a day/analyze replays/etc and cant get into GM.
Your experience huh? Glad to have your contribution here. And there is no conflicting law. Any law concerning talent from any scholar or philosopher is merely a theory.
Even then, you're missing one of the largest parts of the theory that neither did you google or wikipedia (or even fully read my post): Experience. Experience is what is claimed to define you. However, I am pretty sure that the people at the top of America have put in work. To say that is pretty damn ignorant. Please PM me if you want to continue the discussion on something you have absolutely no idea on. I would rather not clutter Desrow's celebration thread.
Turning on Desrow's stream for the first time.
-If I practiced 12 hours a day, every day, I would still never be Michael Jordan. People have natural aptitudes for things, its sad but its true.
Barring physical limitations, talent doesn't exist. There is absolutely no proof for talent. There is no gene or anything for it. It's an American concept to make people feel better about themselves. That is what is sad and true.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
On December 13 2011 09:02 holynorth wrote: Barring physical limitations, talent doesn't exist. There is absolutely no proof for talent.
You realise that Stephano played like 3 hours a day for some time before taking one major tournament? Call that what you want, but in this world that phenomenon can be considered talent. With enough work every midget can play football like Maradona??? You missed the whole fucking ball. Its really funny the thing you are saying, really funny...
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
Lets assume in your analogy that both of these individuals had very little experience with baking. One puts in a lot of effort one does not. The cakes look the same, and they taste the same (like shit). How the fuck do you know which one put in the effort unless you were watching them bake it? While it wasn't a literary master piece with a little thought while reading it you could understand the general ideas he was trying to get across. Instead of using the brain you clearly have for anyone that has heard you cast, and try to interpret you decide to spend that energy to bash his post.
EDIT: I could make this a bit more clear but I'd like to think you are able to get the general theme instead of focusing on the negative. I understand that is difficult for some.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
There's a difference between a natural affinity for something and magically starting off being amazing.
Just because you aren't born grandmaster doesn't mean some people can't learn faster than others at certain things...
Like albert einstein said: “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
Different people will have different things they are either naturally better at or are quicker to learn than others. Trying to pretend that given the same amount of time every single person would be exactly equal at any given activity is absolute nonsense.
It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
Regardless of how bm desRow has been to me in the past I am still so happy for him to have this opportunity and hope that he will make the best of his time in Korea. Best of luck! :D
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
GL to him, I am always happy to see someone achieving his dreams. Hopefully he will be able to produce good content in his stream from there.
But, honestly, I don't think it makes that much sense for him... if you are not a top western player already, how much do you expect to improve in Korea? It's like playing a video game on Normal mode, not being able to finish and than go "ALL RIGHT, time to switch to Hard".
Well, as long is he is happy and his team is willing to support him, best of luck and have fun!
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Ah that's the funniest thing i've seen in a long time golden!!
You know what? I agree with Major in his assertion that anyone can reach the top with the effort. That said, not everyone is ready to do so yet and my main criticism of Desrow's move is it's too early.
He will undoubtedly improve -- I have no doubt about that. But is it worth the several $1000 to mass game on the KR server lag-free? He could just as easily do the same with slight delay from home. I'd argue that to actually benefit from Korea, you'd have to live in a team house, which means you'd have to be on a notable team with notable results.
I think it's silly for Desrow to go to Korea now. It would be far smarter for him to work his way up in NA, get himself to top-tier foreigner status, and then go when he's reaching the peak of what the foreign scene has to offer. That's what Huk/Nani did and what Idra did in SC1. Even players a tier below that, like Major, were pretty much at the absolute top of their scenes.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
My Grammar isn't perfect either i totally understood what you were trying to say when you typed. That hard-work is what will help you excel in SC2. Yes you made a good point.
Haters gonna bash you for your grammar but that doesn't matter when you get your point across in an understandable way.
Your grammar may not be perfect but it's still understandable to read well put. Gosl(Terran),Major...
I think your argument makes sense that SC ,SC2 isn't all about Talent (or not at all about Talent) but its more about dedication and hard-work ; as long as you put in the dedicated effort you should succeed !
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Lol I loved that video. Someone should make a video of the scouting colossus on desert oasis.
On December 13 2011 09:09 QxGRockEr wrote: no orb is not cool. He streams enough that we all kno that. What he thinks?? who cares.
nah bro hes a source of entreteiment when he streams nyoken and i instatly start skyping and jump into watch just for the laughs of how not to play.
What a coincidence, I do the same thing every time you play in a tournament
im glad u do laugh at me when i play in a tournament i must be really terrible at the game god damnit i guess i should quit the game cause i dont have the talent to become a good player
OR i can practice more? hmmmmm what seems like a better idea..lets quit i dont have the talent to be good man i didnt born with it T.T
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
Same amount of StarCraft 2 wins.
BoxeR finished top3 at an mlg and ro4 in a GSL while desRow best achievement is top16 in TL Open. SICK
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
Same amount of StarCraft 2 wins.
BoxeR finished top3 at an mlg and ro4 in a GSL while desRow best achievement is top16 in TL Open. SICK
And yet, he still hasn't won. Fantastic, isn't it? My point that wins in big starcraft 2 tournaments doesn't mean much when we consider if an event is newsworthy or not still stands no matter what you say.
Rare is the occasion that I make a post, even more so, I must express the fact that I happen to dislike DesRow and his demeanor, even more so his inability to take criticism regardless from where it might be directed. With a prior past of expressed hatred, putting that aside I happen to believe his skill is inadequate to be able to perform with the top performing Koreans meaning; Code A within the time frame of his stay is not realistically achievable. Even so, I still happen to believe most of you are incorrect and are being childish. When a person sets their mind to improve, and their resolve is stronger than the ill-willed intentions harbored by others, then that is all that is necessary to succeed. To say that his trip won't be beneficial is an utterly ridiculous statement; being a part of the main hub of SC2 excellence with some of the most potential players will polish and sharpen his skills, and anyone who happens to think that this trip will be a waste shall see how incorrect they are. Though I don't happen to think he'll win GSL anytime soon, I do commend him for pursuing what it is he wants most, and believe that this would be a stepping stone to get him in the right direction as to where he wants to go. DesRow I happen to think you're a douche but I commend you on your trip, I hope all goes well, and I believe that there will be benefit gained from this and I hope you don't let anything discourage you along the way, cheers & good luck.
On December 13 2011 09:53 bRoKeNLaW wrote: Rare is the occasion that I make a post, even more so, I must express the fact that I happen to dislike DesRow and his demeanor, even more so his inability to take criticism regardless from where it might be directed. With a prior past of expressed hatred, putting that aside I happen to believe his skill is inadequate to be able to perform with the top performing Koreans meaning; Code A within the time frame of his stay is not realistically achievable. Even so, I still happen to believe most of you are incorrect and are being childish. When a person sets their mind to improve, and their resolve is stronger than the ill-willed intentions harbored by others, then that is all that is necessary to succeed. To say that his trip won't be beneficial is an utterly ridiculous statement; being a part of the main hub of SC2 excellence with some of the most potential players will polish and sharpen his skills, and anyone who happens to think that this trip will be a waste shall see how incorrect they are. Though I don't happen to think he'll win GSL anytime soon, I do commend him for pursuing what it is he wants most, and believe that this would be a stepping stone to get him in the right direction as to where he wants to go. DesRow I happen to think you're a douche but I commend you on your trip, I hope all goes well, and I believe that there will be benefit gained from this and I hope you don't let anything discourage you along the way, cheers & good luck.
That's exactly what how i feel as well. I might not like him that much but i still wish him luck in Korea.! Well put bRoKeNLaW
On December 13 2011 09:09 QxGRockEr wrote: no orb is not cool. He streams enough that we all kno that. What he thinks?? who cares.
nah bro hes a source of entreteiment when he streams nyoken and i instatly start skyping and jump into watch just for the laughs of how not to play.
What a coincidence, I do the same thing every time you play in a tournament
not like terran is showing tournament results lately, but do you really want to make fun of the player who can 2-0 kiwikaki? this doesn't even have anything to do with the argument. i don't even like terran but don't write stuff like this it only makes you look stupid
Desrow! Good luck buddy, have some fun over there and keep going at it. There are only positive things coming! You going to Korea is in no way negative, whatever anyone says. You play against better people, you get better, simple as that. I'm not going to name names, but some people need to start understanding their place in the SC2 community. If you're a mod/player/caster/manager/etc. What you say on TL stays there and much like any other sport, if someone is known in the community then those comments, when negative, can only reflect negatively on that person.
I'm happy for Desrow going to Korea, he's a fellow canadian who's taking a big leap of faith and that deserves a positive message. I don't think he's one of the best players around right now, but I can still give the guy some love! Desrow is one of very few known French Canadian players right now.
If you are wondering why some people only have single digit posts, maybe it's because english isn't their first language but all they wanted was to wish a fellow Montreal dude some luck on his big move. Maybe it's because in their experience when they post something they automatically get flamed for the content or bashed because there's a typo. It's killing e-Sports, you are losing french canadian fans and fans of the player in general (for the known people doing it) and you are dampening the spirit of a guy who's just trying to make it in SC2.
It's okay to be critical, I encourage smart criticism, but there's a way and a place to say things and this post is not it.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
lol, calls someone mean and then goes ab hominem out of no where! How about discussing the arguments please!
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
I'm not for player bashing but I don't think it's very good for threads to all be filled with meaningless optimism and fanboying... This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions. If you wanted to see just gl, etc, better look at the respective fan webpage or teampage... It would be awesome if everyone thought every player was good and was supportive, but that is simply too idealistic and will never happen, especially in a forum where facilitation of voicing opinions, whether they be positive or negative, is important.
on topic: good luck to desrow. I don't think he'll make code A any time soon but no doubt he'll benefit a ton from the trip.
Don't really see the point of desrow going to Korea. He plays mostly high master unknown players on NA and EU and struggles to maintain 50% win against them. Going to Korea and laddering in the Gom house doesn't mean he will be playing against top Koreans and getting feedback from other pros. Will be the same as it is now, just not in his parents' basement.
This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions.
Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean that you are right to say it.
If this thread had some constructive criticism, that's one thing. Just popping in to say:
"This is useless. He won't accomplish anything. Good luck though!"
Is ridiculous in my opinion. For one, what the heck is with the "good luck though!"? That doesn't turn a pointlessly negative comment into anything else; it just comes off as hypocritical and a bit arrogant.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Does anyone actually have the ability to read such a garbled wall of junk text with lack of any trace of grammar whatsoever?
I mean there's grammar naziing... and then there's when something is written so terribly it's literally painful to read.
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Hi Desrow! I was never a fan of yours, but one day I decided to check out your stream and was quite entertained. I could really see the effort you put in to trying to remedy your BM and can also see the work you put into publicizing yourself. I wish you the best in Korea.
On December 13 2011 08:32 enecateReAP wrote: [quote]
Learn some respect, especially when English isn't even his first language...grow the hell up orb.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Of course talent exists... but to say that he shouldn't go korea when he wants to, it's his dream? Would you like it if someone told you your dream was stupid and you couldn't achieve it? If yes, your a very pitiful human being. But I don't care how you want to make yourself think that your totally fine and it's all good to say these things. I don't care to defend myself because you all are worthless beings.
Dude. Edit that post. Just do it. Don't ask questions. You have maybe five minutes.
edit: well then allow me to edit mine:
Everyone needs to calm the fizzuck down. For one, this thread has gotten WAAAAAAY off topic. Even those defending him are starting to take it away from the whole point, which is a gamer getting to go to Starcraft mecca basically. Who cares how important natural talent is? It's elementary! There is no way to prove your point!
I'm guilty too, but I'm done.
Good luck to you, Des. Hope you do really well and are able to improve. Don't worry if you don't achieve any "success". Just improving is success enough. Hope you have a great time and become even more gosu than anyone we've seen.
There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Of course talent exists... but to say that he shouldn't go korea when he wants to, it's his dream? Would you like it if someone told you your dream was stupid and you couldn't achieve it? If yes, your a very pitiful human being. But I don't care how you want to make yourself think that your totally fine and it's all good to say these things. I don't care to defend myself because you all are worthless beings.
here's some "logic" for you.
GO...... fuck..... your.....self.....
Just because I wouldn't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Desrow simply is not at a point where he stands to benefit much from the Korean environment. But the fact that you're resorting to ab hominem so desperately tells me that for some reason this all rings deeply personally with you so I'll leave the argument there.
On December 13 2011 08:44 enecateReAP wrote: [quote]
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Of course talent exists... but to say that he shouldn't go korea when he wants to, it's his dream? Would you like it if someone told you your dream was stupid and you couldn't achieve it? If yes, your a very pitiful human being. But I don't care how you want to make yourself think that your totally fine and it's all good to say these things. I don't care to defend myself because you all are worthless beings.
here's some "logic" for you.
GO...... fuck..... your.....self.....
Just because I wouldn't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Desrow simply is not at a point where he stands to benefit much from the Korean environment. But the fact that you're resorting to ab hominem so desperately tells me that for some reason this all rings deeply personally with you so I'll leave the argument there.
Any starcraft player can benefit from going to korea if there going there knowing they need to put work in. It doesn't ring personally... The only time I get like this is when I see weak and pathetic human beings talk down to someone and say he shouldn't do something he want's to do. Argument totally ended.
On December 13 2011 09:59 TT1 wrote: my natural talent + gositerran's work ethic would make for the perfect gamer
lol.
Grats to Desrow Surprised with all the hate, while I am not a fan of desrow going to korea is a big move and will be interesting to see how he improves.
Just want to come here and voice my support for desrow in Korea. Paying your own way to get to improve your play is admirable and shows your dedication to yourself and the game. Desrow fighting!
can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
Well Desrow is one of the worst players in America Currently and steals money from teammates.
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
A lot of people don't like Chill but sheesh! This isn't even Chill at the peak of his douchebaggery.
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
Same amount of StarCraft 2 wins.
the amount of stupidity in this thread has reached unimaginable heights.. i've never seen anything like that before, ever.
I really can't imagine how korea is going to improve desrow's play. I mean the whole point of going to Korea is to play the best, and develop as player, but how is desrow going to do that laddering? I mean shit he could do that for his house. And no offense to the other foreigners living in the GOMtv house but he could easily find foreign pros to custom with. I don't understand why someone with no lan results would want to go to korea, spend a shit ton of money and so no more improvements then he could if he stayed home.
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
I'm not for player bashing but I don't think it's very good for threads to all be filled with meaningless optimism and fanboying... This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions. If you wanted to see just gl, etc, better look at the respective fan webpage or teampage... It would be awesome if everyone thought every player was good and was supportive, but that is simply too idealistic and will never happen, especially in a forum where facilitation of voicing opinions, whether they be positive or negative, is important.
on topic: good luck to desrow. I don't think he'll make code A any time soon but no doubt he'll benefit a ton from the trip.
I know it doesn't have to be all optimism, but people take it too far. The title isn't "Should I go to korea?" , It's "I'm going to korea", so what are negative statements going to do? Nothing. The least people could do is show support, what is accomplished by people going in with negative statements?
On December 13 2011 11:25 Brosy wrote: I really can't imagine how korea is going to improve desrow's play. I mean the whole point of going to Korea is to play the best, and develop as player, but how is desrow going to do that laddering? I mean shit he could do that for his house. And no offense to the other foreigners living in the GOMtv house but he could easily find foreign pros to custom with. I don't understand why someone with no lan results would want to go to korea, spend a shit ton of money and so no more improvements then he could if he stayed home.
You don't need to understand it. He wants to go for his own reasons and doesn't need to answer to you.
On December 13 2011 11:25 Brosy wrote: I really can't imagine how korea is going to improve desrow's play. I mean the whole point of going to Korea is to play the best, and develop as player, but how is desrow going to do that laddering? I mean shit he could do that for his house. And no offense to the other foreigners living in the GOMtv house but he could easily find foreign pros to custom with. I don't understand why someone with no lan results would want to go to korea, spend a shit ton of money and so no more improvements then he could if he stayed home.
You don't need to understand it. He wants to go for his own reasons and doesn't need to answer to you.
The great thing about the forum is that he isn't talking to Desrow, he's talking to everyone else. So people can have conversations, contrast opinions, etc.
Des! So glad things worked out for you. I wish you the best of times in Korea, it sounds like a great adventure. Keep fighting the odds and living strong. We'll see you at the next level. Cool runnings good man! (peace on your journey)
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
I'm not for player bashing but I don't think it's very good for threads to all be filled with meaningless optimism and fanboying... This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions. If you wanted to see just gl, etc, better look at the respective fan webpage or teampage... It would be awesome if everyone thought every player was good and was supportive, but that is simply too idealistic and will never happen, especially in a forum where facilitation of voicing opinions, whether they be positive or negative, is important.
on topic: good luck to desrow. I don't think he'll make code A any time soon but no doubt he'll benefit a ton from the trip.
I know it doesn't have to be all optimism, but people take it too far. The title isn't "Should I go to korea?" , It's "I'm going to korea", so what are negative statements going to do? Nothing. The least people could do is show support, what is accomplished by people going in with negative statements?
You call it negative, we call it realistic. Should I support a manned mission to Mars? Maybe? But it's unrealistic. If people are bashing DesRow for the sole sake of bashing then that's wrong but it's fine to disagree with his move.
On December 13 2011 11:30 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Damn... this thread is becoming the "call out the person you got a beef with" thread...
Exactly what is this GOM house I hear so much about? Like a hostel for foreign SC players?
Just a house put together by GOM. You have to qualify by being a decent level player and they cover your expenses in the house except for food I believe.
Timeline: Team announces Desrow being sent to Korea. I mistakenly think the team is paying. I suggest he treats it like a vacation. Desrow clarifies that he's paying the majority of the costs. I don't make another post about him and wish him the best.
Not sure how that makes me a douchebag. PM me if you have issues with me. Don't derail the thread please.
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
I'm not for player bashing but I don't think it's very good for threads to all be filled with meaningless optimism and fanboying... This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions. If you wanted to see just gl, etc, better look at the respective fan webpage or teampage... It would be awesome if everyone thought every player was good and was supportive, but that is simply too idealistic and will never happen, especially in a forum where facilitation of voicing opinions, whether they be positive or negative, is important.
on topic: good luck to desrow. I don't think he'll make code A any time soon but no doubt he'll benefit a ton from the trip.
I know it doesn't have to be all optimism, but people take it too far. The title isn't "Should I go to korea?" , It's "I'm going to korea", so what are negative statements going to do? Nothing. The least people could do is show support, what is accomplished by people going in with negative statements?
I don't understand. So instead of any discussion on a public forum we should simply have a blind circlejerk celebration over someone going to Korea? Especially someone with such a bad reputation in the community?
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
Well Desrow is one of the worst players in America Currently and steals money from teammates.
hmm did he actually do that? plz explain thats a pretty serious statement, the least u can do is back it up with some facts
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
Well Desrow is one of the worst players in America Currently and steals money from teammates.
hmm did he actually do that? plz explain thats a pretty serious statement, the least u can do is back it up with some facts
Korok is by far one of the best NA dota players of all time and still currently (in HoN). Went to ESWC as a Ringer for The 1 American team 2 years ago.
On December 13 2011 12:04 GranDGranT wrote: Korok is by far one of the best NA dota players of all time and still currently (in HoN). Went to ESWC as a Ringer for The 1 American team 2 years ago.
Hope Desrow's sponsors wise up.
we've been over this over 3-5threads about me. Korok tried to blackmail me for another 300euro because he wasn't satisfied how I distrusted the money. I gave all the money back. I was at fault for not giving it back right away and I won't ever be able to deny that but stop showing up in threads that are about me. You posted like 4times to make sure someone replied to you so you could keep instigating. Move on get a life. Why would I pay another 300euros when I already gave all the money away answer me this?
Desrow You get a life. You've been the biggest bottom feeder over Dota/Sc2 for how long now? You've never made anything out of yourself besides a fool. Your a mid masters player flying over to Korea for what reason? You might be able to beat Slog, thats about it.
Maybe you can steal money from them when they are sleeping.
On December 13 2011 12:13 GranDGranT wrote: Desrow You get a life. You've been the biggest bottom feeder over Dota/Sc2 for how long now? You've never made anything out of yourself besides a fool. Your a mid masters player flying over to Korea for what reason? You might be able to beat Slog, thats about it.
Maybe you can steal money from them when they are sleeping.
I fail to see how asking for the money you refused to pay a player is "blackmailing". On top of this not giving the money to the correct player then wondering why someone is mad they never received their money is flat out ignorant on your part desRow.
On December 13 2011 12:19 Beroya wrote: I fail to see how asking for the money you refused to pay a player is "blackmailing". On top of this not giving the money to the correct player then wondering why someone is mad they never received their money is flat out ignorant on your part desRow.
Sick 1st post....
chances you're the guy who got banned like 5 posts up? O_o
Desrow ended up with the prize money for the tournament that he didn't play a game in, how the fuck did that fail happen. The blame solely on the tournament organizer for not check who is the reliable person that represents each team. If i were desrow I would take the money and never give it back, then change my username to con the next team. If desrow indeed returned all the prize money then he has done good for his reputation, is there any proof of desrow returning the prize money to each player?
On December 13 2011 12:44 rei wrote: Desrow ended up with the prize money for the tournament that he didn't play a game in, how the fuck did that fail happen. The blame solely on the tournament organizer for not check who is the reliable person that represents each team. If i were desrow I would take the money and never give it back, then change my username to con the next team. If desrow indeed returned all the prize money then he has done good for his reputation, is there any proof of desrow returning the prize money to each player?
no proof. at all
in fact he threw away the prize money by giving it to someone who said he will not give any of it out
Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
On December 13 2011 12:44 rei wrote: Desrow ended up with the prize money for the tournament that he didn't play a game in, how the fuck did that fail happen. The blame solely on the tournament organizer for not check who is the reliable person that represents each team. If i were desrow I would take the money and never give it back, then change my username to con the next team. If desrow indeed returned all the prize money then he has done good for his reputation, is there any proof of desrow returning the prize money to each player?
no proof. at all
in fact he threw away the prize money by giving it to someone who said he will not give any of it out
there is 33$ missing of that prize money, you received almost all of it ^^
On December 13 2011 12:49 Venomsflame wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
Why is that bullshit? It's relevant information, to their player, their reputation, and their team. And considering the fact that Des has posted about seven or eight times in this thread, I would venture to say that he agrees with me...
I see Desrow do 4 gate about 65% of the time his games(I watch about 2-3 hours of his stream a day) of course most of his games end early. He has too learn some new builds and practice on his late game and a trip to Korea would help that.
We all have dreams and this is his dream he's been talking about this for awhile, who cares if he isn't a top tier Forean or even a mid tier why should anyone say he isn't good enough to go to Korea or he's wasting his time and money. Hope he becomes a better player and person in this trip GL Desrow!!!
On December 13 2011 12:49 Venomsflame wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
No. But I see what you trying to say here. If I'm interpreting you correctly, you think that LGN shouldn't be involved at all in this story besides the fact that desRow is on that team. And since it was a personal decision for desRow to go, rather than a collaborative effort with his team they shouldn't be trying to get extra positive PR.
I suppose you kinda have a point, but they are paying to fly him there, so I don't know if I agree entirely. And even then, they are just doing what they can to get their name on the map. You'd do the same.
On December 13 2011 12:49 Venomsflame wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
No. But I see what you trying to say here. If I'm interpreting you correctly, you think that LGN shouldn't be involved at all in this story besides the fact that desRow is on that team. And since it was a personal decision for desRow to go, rather than a collaborative effort with his team they shouldn't be trying to get extra positive PR.
I suppose you kinda have a point, but they are paying to fly him there, so I don't know if I agree entirely. And even then, they are just doing what they can to get their name on the map. You'd do the same.
From my understanding they aren't even paying to fly him there. That is a separate individual that has nothing to do with the team. I didn't really give it much thought but I agree with Venom. Especially since they originally left out the fact that he was paying his own way, when the opposite would have been implied by their OP.
On December 13 2011 12:49 Venomsflame wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
No. But I see what you trying to say here. If I'm interpreting you correctly, you think that LGN shouldn't be involved at all in this story besides the fact that desRow is on that team. And since it was a personal decision for desRow to go, rather than a collaborative effort with his team they shouldn't be trying to get extra positive PR.
I suppose you kinda have a point, but they are paying to fly him there, so I don't know if I agree entirely. And even then, they are just doing what they can to get their name on the map. You'd do the same.
From my understanding they aren't even paying to fly him there. That is a separate individual that has nothing to do with the team. I didn't really give it much thought but I agree with Venom. Especially since they originally left out the fact that he was paying his own way, when the opposite would have been implied by their OP.
Whoa hold on there.
Team Legion [LgN] is thrilled to announce that our very own Canadian protoss player Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx will be going to Seoul, South Korea for an indefinite amount of time in order to train and improve as a player. desRow will be paying for all his expenses and maxfrag, the personal sponsor of desRow will be helping him with the plane ticket fees.
I don't think they edited that in? At least the OP doesn't say it was edited :O
On December 13 2011 09:09 QxGRockEr wrote: no orb is not cool. He streams enough that we all kno that. What he thinks?? who cares.
nah bro hes a source of entreteiment when he streams nyoken and i instatly start skyping and jump into watch just for the laughs of how not to play.
What a coincidence, I do the same thing every time you play in a tournament
im glad u do laugh at me when i play in a tournament i must be really terrible at the game god damnit i guess i should quit the game cause i dont have the talent to become a good player
OR i can practice more? hmmmmm what seems like a better idea..lets quit i dont have the talent to be good man i didnt born with it T.T
what a coincidence, I do the same thing every time you.... no wait, what am I doing I'm not 13 years old no more, fuck this, it's not even funny xD
well talent is nothing compared to hard work, talent is one of the most overrated and wasted things in earth, but yeah when u see a guy who has both of them, it just gets insane
On December 13 2011 12:49 Venomsflame wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's bullshit that Legion gets to put a whole big thread about this on TL when they aren't even paying for him? It's so fucking misleading. They make it seem like they're sending one of their top players to Korea when really they're just announcing that he's making a move. It's such a scumbag way for a subpar team to grab rep off of one of their players decisions to improve.
No. But I see what you trying to say here. If I'm interpreting you correctly, you think that LGN shouldn't be involved at all in this story besides the fact that desRow is on that team. And since it was a personal decision for desRow to go, rather than a collaborative effort with his team they shouldn't be trying to get extra positive PR.
I suppose you kinda have a point, but they are paying to fly him there, so I don't know if I agree entirely. And even then, they are just doing what they can to get their name on the map. You'd do the same.
From my understanding they aren't even paying to fly him there. That is a separate individual that has nothing to do with the team. I didn't really give it much thought but I agree with Venom. Especially since they originally left out the fact that he was paying his own way, when the opposite would have been implied by their OP.
Team Legion [LgN] is thrilled to announce that our very own Canadian protoss player Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx will be going to Seoul, South Korea for an indefinite amount of time in order to train and improve as a player. desRow will be paying for all his expenses and maxfrag, the personal sponsor of desRow will be helping him with the plane ticket fees.
I don't think they edited that in? At least the OP doesn't say it was edited :O
we did edit the last sentence of the paragraph. mistake on my part when I read the press release and agreed to it. I can see how it looks bad for them that wasn't our goal and I'm smarter than to give 100% credit while paying for the entire thing XD
On December 13 2011 14:44 Insane wrote: Oh weird, why does it not have the "Last edit" thing then?
Carry on then!
I knew it had been edited due to Chill's responses throughout the thread, but I can see how you were confused since it's missing that "last edit" time stamp. Perhaps the twitter/facebook icons cause it to not show up?
edit: Also, trying to figure out how they make those buttons appear on their post! Nothing in the post itself causes them to appear. Magic?
On December 13 2011 12:44 rei wrote: Desrow ended up with the prize money for the tournament that he didn't play a game in, how the fuck did that fail happen. The blame solely on the tournament organizer for not check who is the reliable person that represents each team. If i were desrow I would take the money and never give it back, then change my username to con the next team. If desrow indeed returned all the prize money then he has done good for his reputation, is there any proof of desrow returning the prize money to each player?
From my following of this (old) dota timeline, he gave the money to other people on the team. He did not evenly distribute it but he does not have the money(a rather piddling amount at that). As to his intent in distributing the money(laziness in tracking down everyone, or just wanting to favor the people he gave the money to), who knows.
On December 13 2011 10:39 Psychobabas wrote: Well, seems to me that a few "known" people are showing their ugly side in this thread that's for sure....
:/
Very good comment! Going to Korea still seems to be a very big issue for "foreign" players... from my point of view NA and Eu have enough talented players... although they dont like each other. A good training enviroment "can" be generated...i am wondering why this is not happening...maybe because of some egos?
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
hes playd in code A/S, Playd for the team that won the GSTL Twice, placed well in MLG. And he is a legend from scBW.
I really love that I had popcorn while I was reading through this thread. Some of the posts are just so stupid it makes it entertaining to read. Btw, I love you Chill, not necessarily for what you said but rather for how you defend it and your sarcasm.
On December 13 2011 01:05 tirentu wrote: Why are there multiple single/single-digit post users in this thread, and every desRow thread, encouraging him and advertising his stream? Has nobody looked into this yet?
now that you mention it i remember that once i got aware that in any thread about him he has a bunch of random 10-20 post dudes cheering for him whole-heartedly;)i have my suspicions
i'm one of those dudes... i originally made my TL account to support des, and i bet they did the same. desrow is a straight baller. really would love to see him qualify for code A before his 6 months is up
On December 13 2011 09:09 QxGRockEr wrote: no orb is not cool. He streams enough that we all kno that. What he thinks?? who cares.
nah bro hes a source of entreteiment when he streams nyoken and i instatly start skyping and jump into watch just for the laughs of how not to play.
What a coincidence, I do the same thing every time you play in a tournament
im glad u do laugh at me when i play in a tournament i must be really terrible at the game god damnit i guess i should quit the game cause i dont have the talent to become a good player
OR i can practice more? hmmmmm what seems like a better idea..lets quit i dont have the talent to be good man i didnt born with it T.T
Is the Luxury spoke of in the OP the Luxury from BW?
"After his time in the Gom house, Team LgN has plans of putting desRow up in our training house with our Korean lineup which includes ChiTa, Mystic, Boss, Luxury, and CoOL."
I seriously dunno why u guys hate on what Chill said. If u try atleast for 1 minute to see this news from a third person view..not some "fanboy" view u can clearly see desrow has issues managing NA/EU players...what do u expect him to improve in Korea? he hasn't achieved even 50% of what he could possibly achieve as a "foureigner" and he just jump-starts to korea lol. Let me put it another way...if u have no clue how to drive a car..and u automatically buy a Bugatti...that won't make u a better driver at all.
Seriously i dunno what's up with the hate on Chill as long as he (even if he might have said it a bit rough) is completely right. Desrow is like a Destiny with less skill and....well...viewers? lol. He's a long way from being good enough for NA/EU and if u actually see and analyze his games not "fanboy mode" u will see he struggles in ALOT of them.
Also because he is relatively unkown to the pro-scene..who do u think he will train with? U think any of the big pro players there will even consider wasting their time with someone unkown? or practice with players who they know participate and actually place well/win at major competitions.
Idra..huk..naniwa...destiny...major...all go there because they know they find good practice partners just based on their results AND very important..they know they can't get better on the NA/EU servers so they have to move... As a korean who would u play..an idra or a desrow.....a naniwa or a desrow.....a destiny or a desrow....a major or a desrow? (even if they didn't have partnerships with teams there). All fourgeiners in Korea are at the level that allows them to compete with koreans.
I dont Understand why ppl like des get the opportunity to go to korea...Im happy for him anyways rly! i like his stream very much but hes not like #1 GM on any ladder and hasnt won anybigger tournament and looses his all showmatches...so hes not asx good as the normal EU GM Player but goes anyways...dont rly understand this decision. GL DES
On December 13 2011 18:16 JoNyJoNy wrote: I dont Understand why ppl like des get the opportunity to go to korea...Im happy for him anyways rly! i like his stream very much but hes not like #1 GM on any ladder and hasnt won anybigger tournament and looses his all showmatches...so hes not asx good as the normal EU GM Player but goes anyways...dont rly understand this decision. GL DES
Guess what. Anyone can move to Korea to play StarCraft. You could, I could, anyone could. You just need time and money.
And for the morons who can't understand written text, the only thing Chill said was that it wouldn't be a good investment by the team. He also encouraged Desro to see the sights a bit, and combine work with exploring a new culture. And that was before the details were made more clear. If that makes him a "fucking faggot" then get out.
On December 13 2011 18:16 JoNyJoNy wrote: I dont Understand why ppl like des get the opportunity to go to korea...Im happy for him anyways rly! i like his stream very much but hes not like #1 GM on any ladder and hasnt won anybigger tournament and looses his all showmatches...so hes not asx good as the normal EU GM Player but goes anyways...dont rly understand this decision. GL DES
I dont understand why majority of people are ruining his desire to go there. I mean he is paying for his own trip and you people are bashing him. I would really like if he could improve there and prove to all that he is good. Maybe they shouldnt announce it at all...Even tho I dont know much about him I want to wish him good luck and that trip work for him. GL
Already have told him numerous times if he doesn't die to himself he is going to fail hard, only hope living with ToD/SLoG/myself can help him to change his mindset and personality, cause as of right now and I've even told him, if he goes about his practice and his mental regime the way he does now, he already has a wedding with failure.
None the less, people shouldn't flame, especially since 25% are probably flaming out of jealously, and another 25% just because. At least not until some time passes. We've all seen foreigners come to Korea super arrogant and fail hard and return home after a short while, so we'll see if he's the same [in time], but not fair to make such comments immediately.
good luck desrow. this thread is so full of shit, it's kind of saddening; no it doesn't need to be ripe full of GL!! and fake optimism, but all this hate is just embarrassing for the TL community, imo.
a) desrow fans have low postings on tl? b) is chill allowed to state his opinion? c) who paid the trip? d) is going to korea good? e) is there something as talent? f) orb vs. terran g) did desrow take money? or did he give it back?
oh yeah, I almost forgot h) desrow is going to korea
to be honest, everyone aiming a career in starcraft 2 should train in korea. so desrow practicing with sick nerd ballers over there only can turn out good for him. maybe he gets roflstomped on ladder, but thats where you learn the most!
so have a good time desrow and show some results in 2012
I have several overweight friends. With that said none of them have the reckless abandon this player appears to have. I mean what does he weigh in at, 300+ lbs? I can't support someone who can't support himself. I'm fairly positive that if I played half as much as this kid I'd be as "good" or better- easily(I am masters with only a couple hundred games played, a job and school does that). I'm almost positive he's going to get crushed no matter where he goes and the only reason people follow him at all is because he's mildly entertaining on his stream.
Looks are important, they tell you a lot about a person- and I'm not talking about the specific details, but the overall picture. I don't hang out with people who smell or have no self control and that's a huge turn off, especially if we're talking about supporting said people. I want to see people work hard so I can support them with a smile and sincerely talk them up.
Maybe he should spend the money to get a personal trainer and get the f**k in reasonable shape. Many have learned that improving physical health boosts your physical health also.
On December 13 2011 20:43 exterminatus wrote: Maybe he should spend the money to get a personal trainer and get the f**k in reasonable shape. Many have learned that improving physical health boosts your physical health also.
Improving physical health improves physical health? Shit man, where did you learn that ;o!
On December 13 2011 20:31 chipman wrote: I have several overweight friends. With that said none of them have the reckless abandon this player appears to have. I mean what does he weigh in at, 300+ lbs? I can't support someone who can't support himself. I'm fairly positive that if I played half as much as this kid I'd be as "good" or better- easily(I am masters with only a couple hundred games played, a job and school does that). I'm almost positive he's going to get crushed no matter where he goes and the only reason people follow him at all is because he's mildly entertaining on his stream.
Looks are important, they tell you a lot about a person- and I'm not talking about the specific details, but the overall picture. I don't hang out with people who smell or have no self control and that's a huge turn off, especially if we're talking about supporting said people. I want to see people work hard so I can support them with a smile and sincerely talk them up.
Wow, so much hate in this thread I hope that is not the case with the whole TL forum,,,
OT: @ Desrow - gl in Korea! You are such a nerd baller. You have a dream and guts to follow it. Respect. I hope that you will gain much from the Korea and also that you will stream as much as now. gl hf
Somehow I think I'll be able to continue living despite the fact that there's some nerd behind a keyboard somewhere throwing a tantrum about not wanting to deal with life, because that's how it is.
I have friends with hyperthyroidism and diabetes (type 1) and they still manage to balance their diet and their lives, there is really no excuse other than having a piss poor mentality/and/or no drive. People are actually killing themselves and handing down terrible traits to their kids, it's called responsibility and self respect. This is a serious thing, people need to get and stay healthy so they can live longer more fulfilled lives and move forwards instead of getting comfortable sitting in a couch or chair, eating whatever the hell the body craves in whatever portions you can afford, entertaining themselves with tv/video games/porn.
That's not happiness. That's pleasure. Everything about this is entertainment, and for me it's less than worth supporting.
Yeah, and while I do that, I'll be sure to improve my mentality and maintain my health like a "grown up" would do, right? Look in the mirror, friend. Did I strike a sensitive nerve?
Yeah, and while I do that, I'll be sure to improve my mentality and maintain my health like a "grown up" would do, right? Look in the mirror, friend. Did I strike a sensitive nerve?
I'm just amazed people like you exist. Why would I look in the mirror, 'friend'. I don't have any weight problems, so you make no sense at all .
This is a thread about someone going to Korea, not weight problems. If you wanna talk about weight, go to the damn Health & Fitness section.
Pretty much don't want to sound like I'm belittling this dude but
On December 13 2011 21:21 chipman wrote: Going to korea where he's going to be surrounded by an army of thin, healthy/hardworking individuals and reinforcing the 'foreigner' stereotypes.
^ This. Definately.... Korea's obesity rate is really low and those bastids are so kind to different people.
On December 13 2011 20:31 chipman wrote: I have several overweight friends. With that said none of them have the reckless abandon this player appears to have. I mean what does he weigh in at, 300+ lbs? I can't support someone who can't support himself. I'm fairly positive that if I played half as much as this kid I'd be as "good" or better- easily(I am masters with only a couple hundred games played, a job and school does that). I'm almost positive he's going to get crushed no matter where he goes and the only reason people follow him at all is because he's mildly entertaining on his stream.
Looks are important, they tell you a lot about a person- and I'm not talking about the specific details, but the overall picture. I don't hang out with people who smell or have no self control and that's a huge turn off, especially if we're talking about supporting said people. I want to see people work hard so I can support them with a smile and sincerely talk them up.
There are alot of cirumstances where people aren't able to do anything about how they look, or smell.
On December 13 2011 21:21 chipman wrote: Going to korea where he's going to be surrounded by an army of thin, healthy/hardworking individuals and reinforcing the 'foreigner' stereotypes.
...and then there are people wondering, why many starcraft 2 fans don't want to be on this site, and don't post here...
also: why do you occupy this thread? why don't you write a blog about your workouts and your diet?
GL in korea, but u will waste ur time PS why a team would send a unachieved player in korea? they have no proof of any future reward. I mean its like a huge lost of money
Got to love how a discussion about someone moving can turn into flaming >.>
Can you really blame someone to take the opportunity he got? I mean, lets be honest: if the opportunity presented itself to play StarCraft in Korea and everything worked out just right, how many of us would actually turn it down?
I don't follow player's streams all that much, so I can't say I'm familiar with desRow, but hopefully he'll find something of value in Korea.
On December 13 2011 17:48 ReboundEU wrote: I seriously dunno why u guys hate on what Chill said. If u try atleast for 1 minute to see this news from a third person view..not some "fanboy" view u can clearly see desrow has issues managing NA/EU players...what do u expect him to improve in Korea? he hasn't achieved even 50% of what he could possibly achieve as a "foureigner" and he just jump-starts to korea lol. Let me put it another way...if u have no clue how to drive a car..and u automatically buy a Bugatti...that won't make u a better driver at all.
Seriously i dunno what's up with the hate on Chill as long as he (even if he might have said it a bit rough) is completely right. Desrow is like a Destiny with less skill and....well...viewers? lol. He's a long way from being good enough for NA/EU and if u actually see and analyze his games not "fanboy mode" u will see he struggles in ALOT of them.
Also because he is relatively unkown to the pro-scene..who do u think he will train with? U think any of the big pro players there will even consider wasting their time with someone unkown? or practice with players who they know participate and actually place well/win at major competitions.
Idra..huk..naniwa...destiny...major...all go there because they know they find good practice partners just based on their results AND very important..they know they can't get better on the NA/EU servers so they have to move... As a korean who would u play..an idra or a desrow.....a naniwa or a desrow.....a destiny or a desrow....a major or a desrow? (even if they didn't have partnerships with teams there). All fourgeiners in Korea are at the level that allows them to compete with koreans.
I've only really gotten to know Desrow through him coaching LAGTV's Maximusblack and from what I've seen of him, I wish him the absolute best of luck in Korea!
Why? Because I can't take this sh*t seriously. It's embarrassing. It's actually ruining esports for me seeing unaccomplished players who are only known for being entertaining behind a webcam being sent overseas to get for the most part slaughtered by people who are passionate about improving and working hard. I have absolutely no problems getting behind players like huk or even sheth (who happens to also be overweight, but is a good person and respects other people and their lifestyles and is passionate about improving at the game and helping others).
This is going to only further strengthen the stereotypes that westerners are fat lazy slobs who don't take life (or the game even) seriously and koreans are dominant, just further validating those stereotypes.
On December 13 2011 20:43 exterminatus wrote: Maybe he should spend the money to get a personal trainer and get the f**k in reasonable shape. Many have learned that improving physical health boosts your physical health also.
Wonder why this guy hasn't been banned / warned...
Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
Good post man. Desrow can do whatever he wants with his life and his money. I seriously hope he does well so we can have another great foreinger pro to be proud of.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: *snip* You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
+1 Legio
Best of luck in Korea Desrow and offcourse I will be viewing and typing with ya.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
That makes me wonder .. Why would Incontrol go for 1 week ? Does he expect some magic to happen with whole korean team telling him incredible strats or something ? The latency from EG to KR server aint that bad.. He should go for at least 1 month
GL to desrow, even thought I think he still have a lot to improve before going there I hope he does well.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
quoted for fucking truth. so many things right about this post!
1 thing most people don't understand about going to korea is that going for less than a month is completely worthless. You're spending your first days simply getting acquianted and sightseeing, so really you're only there for a few weeks. 2 or 3 weeks of practice, in Korea or otherwise, really doesn't amount to anything. You might as well just stay home at that point.
On the other hand, we have a pro who is willing to pay for his own stay in korea for at LEAST 6 months. He has this planned out. He isn't going to Korea without a definite place to stay like cArn for example. Before going to Korea he was waking up early and playing during Korean hours. The only other person I can think of that did this as a semipro/pro was major (another example of a person who is really dedicated to the game itself).
DesRow has to put up with a lot of bullshit from this community that was at first reasonable due to the way he acted as he started to make his appearance known (I.e., brag topics). I for one was one of those antifans. At first, desrow was merely a high ladder player with very very modest wins. There was no reason to act like a braggart at this point. But in the last few months not only has his gameplay shaped up but so has his manner. He only blames himself for losses, something that most pros now still cannot do. that's why Im a fan of his now, he really deserves success.
One last thing, lol at people who are attacking desrow for being fat...come on. what kind of pathetic argument is that? You can't comment on his talent because he's actually winning/taking games off of notable pros in tourneys and ladder so now you go back to how he looks? I guarantee half the people talking are probably not very proud of how they look irl themselves. DesRow mentioned that he's beginning a diet due to all the criticism/realization of his unhealthy lifestyle. I think that actual working out is far more important, merely going on a diet isn't enough. Koreans definitely do not look favorably on overweight foreigners, so shaping up on appearance is important. That doesn't mean that he wont be able to go around the streets of Seoul without being gawked at by everyone.
Desrow is a fucking boss for actually wanting to do anything to improve unlike almost every other westener, I can only wish him the best of luck and hope that he eventually will become gosu.
On December 14 2011 02:56 Legio wrote: Destiny goes to Korea, flight paid by his team, stays for 2 weeks. Incontrol stays 1 week. Thorzain stays a few weeks. Sheth took the return flight home. Banjo stayed a month or two.
Desrow flies there on his own dime, plans to stay 6 months or more. He knows Koreans are gonna make fun of him for being fat. He knows westerners will tease him for his french accent. He knows he will get destroyed on ladder for the first weeks or even months.
You have to respect the guy for throwing himself out there with no safety nets. I think hes going to have an awesome time, regardless of how he does in the game.
That makes me wonder .. Why would Incontrol go for 1 week ? Does he expect some magic to happen with whole korean team telling him incredible strats or something ? The latency from EG to KR server aint that bad.. He should go for at least 1 month
GL to desrow, even thought I think he still have a lot to improve before going there I hope he does well.
he went last year to try to qualify for GSL season 2 or 3 (before code s/code a)
Good luck to you desRow. I'm sure it'll be a hard journey, with no guaranteed success, but I can respect that you have a dream and are taking actual steps to achieve it.
On December 14 2011 04:05 raheelp wrote: WHAT DOES HIS WEIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING ? i guess we know who the lowlifes are.
Well, I've heard the food that is being eaten in Korean team houses is pretty unhealthy. Not a lot of vegetables etc. And in addition he will most likely be sitting on a chair for the entire day, for six months. When you have a normal body type this is unhealthy already, but it's especially bad when someone has too much weight.
If he has everything so well thought out like some of you people claim, why doesn't he have a solution for his weight problem? Personal health > SC2 imho.
On one hand I've always admired desrow's attitude; he has shown to be very determined, practices often, has set goals and strives to achieve them. The fact that he is so serious about going to korea and staying for an extended period on his own dime reinforces that, and I admire him for it ( I agree with the dude a few posts up about pros being half-assed and going for a few weeks).
With that said, I don't know why there is this perception but people seem to think Korea is some enhanced anti-grav epic training facility, where you can just rock up, do your thing and leave sometime later being reborn and awesome. I always thought korea was appropriate for people who are at the top of the game in NA and EU servers, where they play the same few people who are also at the top and nobody gives them particular trouble, and so they go searching for harder competition. Even then a lot just choose to play on korean server to get this fix. I don't feel like you can really make the most of training in korea unless you are actually playing customs with the best players over there/living in a team house and really being immersed in the environment and learning something that you wouldn't be able to back on their original server.
Not trying to be rudebut desrow isn't at the top of the game on either NA or EU, and hasn't had any tournament (or ladder for that matter) showings to illustrate why he would be able to make use of what korea has to offer. The best players over there aren't going to play with him if a. they have never heard of him and b. he poses no challenge/they have nothing to learn from him, so I can't see what he has to gain out of going over there (especially as opposed to just playing on Korean ladder).
With that said, maybe even just the GOM team house environment will be able to assist him, and hopefully during his early morning ladder sessions he was able to make some contacts over there that he can play with.
Best of luck man, I admire your dedication, I hope it takes you far.
On December 14 2011 04:05 raheelp wrote: WHAT DOES HIS WEIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING ? i guess we know who the lowlifes are.
Well, I've heard the food that is being eaten in Korean team houses is pretty unhealthy. Not a lot of vegetables etc. And in addition he will most likely be sitting on a chair for the entire day, for six months. When you have a normal body type this is unhealthy already, but it's especially bad when someone has too much weight.
If he has everything so well thought out like some of you people claim, why doesn't he have a solution for his weight problem? Personal health > SC2 imho.
He's already said he's going to go to the gym in Korea to make up for his decreased ability to eat what he wants and calorie count. So... TA DA?
On December 14 2011 04:05 raheelp wrote: WHAT DOES HIS WEIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING ? i guess we know who the lowlifes are.
Well, I've heard the food that is being eaten in Korean team houses is pretty unhealthy. Not a lot of vegetables etc. And in addition he will most likely be sitting on a chair for the entire day, for six months. When you have a normal body type this is unhealthy already, but it's especially bad when someone has too much weight.
If he has everything so well thought out like some of you people claim, why doesn't he have a solution for his weight problem? Personal health > SC2 imho.
I believe they have to buy/pay for their own food in the GOMTV house. Also Im quite sure gyms exist in korea if he were to want to go do some work outs. >.>
On December 14 2011 16:49 desRow wrote: getting on a plane in 5hours hopefully finding a computer case for all my parts once i arrive in korea wont be pain in the ass ^^
GL & HF in Korea, i'm sure that you will make it. I've been watching your stream on a daily basis and you have the talent and the skill to pull it off. Keep it up and stream from time to time.
On December 14 2011 11:20 fox77 wrote: wow canada has sick protoss kiwikaki,tt1,huk,ddoro,desrow,dreezer,combatex.
you've got to be trolling
huk and kiwi -sick tt1-quite good, strange manners and old maphacker, doesn't quite get the appreciation due to those ddoro- nice player, not quite proven himself yet
desrow- lower tier of progaming
deezer, combatex- decent players at sc2, shameful behavior
Although I agree that going to korea might not be in Desrow's best interests just yet, this thread is completely getting out of hand. You can voice your opinion that you think it is a waste of time, but are some of you really going to condemn a player or a team for this decision? For desrow's sake, I hope that his stay there is really productive so he can silence all of these people. Best of Luck ^^
I don't know his personality, but the amount of hardwork he puts into this game is amazing.
He plays like 8 hours every day. He deserves to train with Korean practice indeed. I don't know about his talent but he can easily and definitely adjust to the hard training conditions in Korea.
I feel that the community should be supportive of any and all players that come into our scene. Hell, the more drama there is, the more attention, the more legitimacy (cmon, a sport isn't really perceived as super important until there's a scandal, look at what happened to sc1 when the savior scandal hit the wall).
Moreover, I'm happy for anyone who can go and achieve their dreams.
He has arrived and is trying to familiarize himself with the Korean technology.
@desRowfighting Marc-Olivier Proulx I wanted to pause the game and instead of a pause button there was a Power button who the fuck puts a power button on a keyboard ???
I stopped watching you a while back, b/c u seemed to unmannered and arrogant. I heard you changed quite a bit since then... Good Luck, hope to see u in the gsl or something
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have fun my friend
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