There's a difference between not knowing a language and putting in 0 effort.
i know english/ but i cdan write like this too then cause u trouble have undertstanding it cause i just spew words like textual diarrhea / but you cant say antyhing cause i get to use lacdk of english first langauge as my excsuse
He clearly applied 0 effort to making his post readable, so why should I show him any modicum of respect? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't read over his message or care at all whether or not it was going to be easily comprehensible.
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to.
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Of course talent exists... but to say that he shouldn't go korea when he wants to, it's his dream? Would you like it if someone told you your dream was stupid and you couldn't achieve it? If yes, your a very pitiful human being. But I don't care how you want to make yourself think that your totally fine and it's all good to say these things. I don't care to defend myself because you all are worthless beings.
here's some "logic" for you.
GO...... fuck..... your.....self.....
Just because I wouldn't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Desrow simply is not at a point where he stands to benefit much from the Korean environment. But the fact that you're resorting to ab hominem so desperately tells me that for some reason this all rings deeply personally with you so I'll leave the argument there.
On December 13 2011 08:44 enecateReAP wrote: [quote]
What the hell? He wrote out how he felt about a subject, just as you have done, to be fair he is much more informed about the topic than you are, so who are you to disregarde his opinion just because it isn't made in the neatest format? I'm unsure why you feel the need to be disrespectful, anyone can read what Major has put, you just had the arrogance to highlight that you were unhappy with it, Major made a valid point about something he is knowledgable in and that should be enough for people to listen regardless of illegibility.
Yes you're right. Clearly there is no such thing as talent in this world
LOL
When I read that first line and saw how painful it would be to read I disregarded the rest of his post. How is that unreasonable? If you start off your "paragraph" with a point about how talent doesn't actually exist (which is probably one of the most unreasonable things he could have possibly argued here), I am going to assume that's the main point of the paragraph, such as a thesis. Otherwise I assume he would have started a new paragraph.
Unless you honestly agree that talent is nonexistent in SC2... in which case LOL
You need to develop some social skills and stop being so mean to people. If you truly want them to improve, constructive criticism is the best policy. And you talk about painful to read? This is painful to listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auy4U75mdtk
Stop being so mean? Am I bashing desrow? Am I bashing major? I was simply saying he (major) didn't put any effort into his post and formatted it so terribly that I wasn't even willing to read the whole thing. It's nothing against his person.
It's like if someone baked you a cake but they basically just threw some sugar, flour, and butter into a pan and threw it into the oven. You wouldn't finish your piece and eat the entire thing because they put in 0 effort. However, if they put in a ton of effort to make a good cake, you'll generally finish the piece and eat it all (even if it tastes terrible) to show respect because at least that person tried their hardest.
But yes, let's post a video of a game I played back in the first week of beta when no one knew how to play this game along with sound clips that were edited in from different points in time on my stream that have nothing to do with the actual plays going on. GOOD ONE BRO!
you think you cool cause u can bash on my typing skills? yes i tried to put effort into be as understandable as possible, and i dont know why u talking about something clearly u dont undestearnd if u really believe someone is magically borns with a special talent to do X thing on their life than u keep believing that way thats really gonna get u far....
dunno how we got to philosophy or whatever, but i'm pretty sure orb will win this one through either calvinism or DNA or whatever. Talent does in fact exist, we are all born certain ways, with better abilities in some areas and lacking abilities in others. Short guys will never play basketball is the easy go to example.
That's why esports is amazing. It doesn't really matter what your natural talents are, they could very well be for gaming or rts or by some divine intervention you were born with the greatest starcraft talent known to fucking man. But it doesn't mean anything when anyone can pick up a keyboard and mouse and learn the game better than you can if he's willing to put in the work needed. Maybe you might have an easier time if your "naturally" talented, but his work ethic will get him farther than your talent ever will. You can have a never ending work ethic, no one is born with never ending talent.
Btw, NBA might not let a short guy play basketball, but that doesn't mean someone 5'5 can't put the work needed to be able to dunk, or shoot over guys 7 feet tall. Sorry if your lazy and want to rationalize why he won't make it because you think you can't.Fuck off.
I've never watched Desrows stream, seen a few show matches. But regardless I know nothing about him as a player, or person really. But if it's his dream to go to korea and be the best sc2 player in the world, he's only limited by his work ethic. NOTHING ELSE. You, and all the rest of the asshole scumbags on here who can't even give 1 ounce of respect to a fellow gamer pursuing a dream most of us hope for, is just a dick move. Period. Enjoy never getting anywhere you actually want to in life.
On another note, @orb, go fuck yourself too bro. Terran(major) is a respectable gamer, unlike you and that stupid bullshit trash you spout. Terran puts work in and is humble, that's the makings of a champion.
Keep up the hate everyone who is hating and see just how far that hate gets you. Keep making excuses and putting other people down rationalizing it as being realistic or truthful and see how far that gets you.
Edit:TT1 I hope you were trolling because that is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard. if you have so much "natural" talent put in some work and lets see a championship, since were going to call people out in this thread based on results.
Talent exists. I don't even know how you can deny that, it's simply factually wrong. People have different genes and genetic make ups that make them naturally better at something than other people. That's not to say hard work isn't important - it is - but talent is too, in very many ways. Simply working the most does not make you the best player. Working hard and having a mixture of talent makes you the best.
I also have no idea why this whole subject upsets you enough that you feel the need to tell everyone to fuck off and call us haters. We're offering rational arguments as to why Desrow shouldn't go to Korea, and your response is to cuss us out, call us lazy, while not really offering any real argumentation and instead just making some flowery and idealistic statements with no real logic behind them.
Of course talent exists... but to say that he shouldn't go korea when he wants to, it's his dream? Would you like it if someone told you your dream was stupid and you couldn't achieve it? If yes, your a very pitiful human being. But I don't care how you want to make yourself think that your totally fine and it's all good to say these things. I don't care to defend myself because you all are worthless beings.
here's some "logic" for you.
GO...... fuck..... your.....self.....
Just because I wouldn't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Desrow simply is not at a point where he stands to benefit much from the Korean environment. But the fact that you're resorting to ab hominem so desperately tells me that for some reason this all rings deeply personally with you so I'll leave the argument there.
Any starcraft player can benefit from going to korea if there going there knowing they need to put work in. It doesn't ring personally... The only time I get like this is when I see weak and pathetic human beings talk down to someone and say he shouldn't do something he want's to do. Argument totally ended.
On December 13 2011 09:59 TT1 wrote: my natural talent + gositerran's work ethic would make for the perfect gamer
lol.
Grats to Desrow Surprised with all the hate, while I am not a fan of desrow going to korea is a big move and will be interesting to see how he improves.
Just want to come here and voice my support for desrow in Korea. Paying your own way to get to improve your play is admirable and shows your dedication to yourself and the game. Desrow fighting!
can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
Well Desrow is one of the worst players in America Currently and steals money from teammates.
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
On December 13 2011 11:16 Jemesatui wrote: can someone explain to me why Chill is a mod? the guy is an absolute douchebag asshole, has rarely anything positive to say, and if i knew him in person i'd fucking curb smash his teeth to the ground and spit on his fucking grave. i understand people are entitled to their opinions, but i regularly see chills negative and pathetic outlooks vomit onto this forum, and i call that his mod be removed. furthermore, chill if you read this, you are a fucking loser in real life, i hope u get hit by a fucking bus the next time you go outside, you fucking waste of space people like you don't deserve to breathe on this planet
A lot of people don't like Chill but sheesh! This isn't even Chill at the peak of his douchebaggery.
On December 13 2011 09:21 pallad wrote: I dont know why this is even at headline.. news.. He is good player , but whit zero big tournament succes. Maby its just NA citizens love ?:D dunno.
GL anyway
Slayers Boxer has zero big StarCraft 2 tournament wins. Would it not be newsworthy if he moved to America, just because of that?
Boxer has a huge background and he's pretty good. Don't ever compare again desrow with boxer man. EVER
Same amount of StarCraft 2 wins.
the amount of stupidity in this thread has reached unimaginable heights.. i've never seen anything like that before, ever.
I really can't imagine how korea is going to improve desrow's play. I mean the whole point of going to Korea is to play the best, and develop as player, but how is desrow going to do that laddering? I mean shit he could do that for his house. And no offense to the other foreigners living in the GOMtv house but he could easily find foreign pros to custom with. I don't understand why someone with no lan results would want to go to korea, spend a shit ton of money and so no more improvements then he could if he stayed home.
On December 13 2011 09:25 coL.Minigun wrote: It's actually pretty infuriating watching people bash players they don't think are top notch. Why can't the sc2 community be supportive of players going to korea? Just because they aren't top code s, or you think they suck, good for you, shut your mouth and let him live his dream. Why can't every one of these posts be filled with, "goodluck" or, "can't wait to see you improve".
It's fine if you don't think he's top notch, but you don't have to post it in his going to korea thread.
I'm not for player bashing but I don't think it's very good for threads to all be filled with meaningless optimism and fanboying... This is a forum, and people post opinions. Yes there will be stupid opinions, but unless it's outright insult or something crossing the line like that, you can't (and shouldn't) expect people to not post their opinions. If you wanted to see just gl, etc, better look at the respective fan webpage or teampage... It would be awesome if everyone thought every player was good and was supportive, but that is simply too idealistic and will never happen, especially in a forum where facilitation of voicing opinions, whether they be positive or negative, is important.
on topic: good luck to desrow. I don't think he'll make code A any time soon but no doubt he'll benefit a ton from the trip.
I know it doesn't have to be all optimism, but people take it too far. The title isn't "Should I go to korea?" , It's "I'm going to korea", so what are negative statements going to do? Nothing. The least people could do is show support, what is accomplished by people going in with negative statements?
On December 13 2011 11:25 Brosy wrote: I really can't imagine how korea is going to improve desrow's play. I mean the whole point of going to Korea is to play the best, and develop as player, but how is desrow going to do that laddering? I mean shit he could do that for his house. And no offense to the other foreigners living in the GOMtv house but he could easily find foreign pros to custom with. I don't understand why someone with no lan results would want to go to korea, spend a shit ton of money and so no more improvements then he could if he stayed home.
You don't need to understand it. He wants to go for his own reasons and doesn't need to answer to you.
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