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Complexity transfers NaNiwa to Quantic Gaming - Page 37

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Please make sure to read the statement from Naniwa that is linked in the full article before commenting.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 09 2011 01:39 GMT
#721
naniwa changes teams as often as major changes name
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
December 09 2011 01:39 GMT
#722
On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:43 farvacola wrote:
Quite frankly, Jason Lake's statement makes coL look petty, Naniwa hwaiting!



It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team.


Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault.

Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason



Did you read what he said on reddit?

"We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not."

Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve.


I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure.

The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect.


All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete.

And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls.


It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me.


Because maybe Jason cares about having good publicity therefore he would lie to make it seem like his brand didn't do anything wrong? Naniwa doesnt give a rats ass of what people think of him or he wouldnt have done the things he does. If I had to trust anyone in this situation I would trust Naniwa because he has no reason lie while Jason(complexity) does in order to keep a good image for their sponsors.
Evil Geniuses<3
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
December 09 2011 01:44 GMT
#723
Quantic should pick up Major who is also training in the Startale house and maybe some other foreigners training in Korea at the moment.
Major, Sase, Naniwa, Destiny, pretty good line up if you ask me
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
December 09 2011 01:45 GMT
#724
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?
vyru5
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore4 Posts
December 09 2011 01:45 GMT
#725
He's like the l'enfant terrible of esports. Or a misunderstood genius. Nonetheless, NANIWA FIGHTING!
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
December 09 2011 01:46 GMT
#726
...and the team-jumping continues.

im glad complexity got rid of him though, shows that they're not above dumping a valuable asset if its destroying its rep and values.

10 bucks on nani not lasting a year on quantic.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 09 2011 01:51 GMT
#727
Haters gonna hate. nani is a smart kid. he knows what he is doing. really good to hear that QIM is more Korea oriented.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
December 09 2011 01:53 GMT
#728
Well, okay. Good luck to Naniwa and I hope it all works out.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
December 09 2011 01:53 GMT
#729
I hate to say it, but complexity can't seem to be able to handle personalities very well. The whole fiasco with destiny then stephano and now naniwa. No, I'm not comparing the three and I know they are very different situations, but it's starting to pile up...
I'm a gooner.
Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
December 09 2011 01:53 GMT
#730
Naniwa hot potato!
i wear a kitten scarf
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
December 09 2011 01:54 GMT
#731
On December 09 2011 10:51 Golgotha wrote:
Haters gonna hate. nani is a smart kid. he knows what he is doing. really good to hear that QIM is more Korea oriented.


Except they are not QIM anymore, they dissolved that partnership.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
December 09 2011 01:55 GMT
#732
On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?


It could have been a nice article without an anonymous informer slinging mud, "he needs to seek professional help" sounds more like standard internet flaming than an informed opinion.
ABear
Profile Joined June 2006
United States161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:56:32
December 09 2011 01:56 GMT
#733
On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?


Wow that was an interesting article. Thanks for posting.
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
December 09 2011 01:57 GMT
#734
On December 09 2011 10:22 Xxavi wrote:
But with regards to this news, it doesn't surprise me. Naniwa doesn't seem to be a professional player, don't know whether he knows what that word is anyway. This impression you get from all of news that have come out so far since his ban from ESL.

He seems to be having a bit of retard moments being too frank in public and saying what he thinks, and this way, talking trash to many people, even those who might be thinking they are friendly with him. So it is a no surprise. It will not be a surprise if he is isolated in Korea for his antics, and I fully expect that.

However, Complexity doing their shitty interview with him where he trash talks about IMmvp and IMNesTea and a bit disrespectful to DRG (who is their partner from colMVP). Whoever did interview didn't think about censoring it even if Naniwa has not enough brain to censor his own words. Probably they thought it damages Naniwa more, if it damages, and not Complexity. Still, I had a bad impression from the fact that a Complexity staff interviews him, and even dwells on those trash talking moments, and then thinks it's OK to publish. I have a feeling that whoever did interview didn't even care about colMVP link, so he might have been completely cool with trash talking about MVP.


To be honest pretty much everyone, from the casters themselves to the likes of Slasher, decided to start and feed this storyline of Naniwa the BM guy, by telling Nestea he got bm'ed by Naniwa in an interview without, voluntarily, thinking themselves, and telling Nestea, about the context and the real sence of what Naniwa was saying.

Why? Because, according to them, instead of Starcraft content, it is what viewers want, and, since they think it will bring viewers to their show and tweets to their twitter, they are likely to transform esport into a "reality" (understand "artificial") show.

Irony and faceplam ensuees as their storyline backfires in Naniwa's face and they feel like (to their words, they who put the fire to the forest) it has been too far, and Naniwa just takes the hate for unconsciously being the actor in the scenario they wrote.

Now do they care if Naniwa takes home the dollars, or if someone else does, in fact Leenock, because he couldn't stand the pressure from the community's backlash? Of course not, they get their audience anyway, and the winner's money is gone nonetheless.

Now you will see White knights appearing as it will serve their deeds, but tomorrow no damn care will given, as it will be another day of business, and no one will care about the progammers that are left behind.
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
December 09 2011 01:59 GMT
#735
What he said in that interview was more than everything combined at MLG
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
December 09 2011 02:02 GMT
#736
Awesome addition for Quantic yet again, but this was definitely unexpected. Although in reading Nani's statement it does make sense. I thought it was going to be a money issue, although maybe it is and that's just the cover up ;; who knows.. I hope he does well though, he's an awesome player.
"Sen, lings are OP" - HelloKittySS /// <3 http://www.twitch.tv/legendre20 <3
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 09 2011 02:05 GMT
#737
On December 09 2011 10:55 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?


It could have been a nice article without an anonymous informer slinging mud, "he needs to seek professional help" sounds more like standard internet flaming than an informed opinion.


Using an anonymous source in an article completely discredits whoever edits the ESFI stories. Without a source who is willing to go on record you have nothing. What that basically means is that ESFI's journalist took a literal dump on Naniwa. For all we know that anonymous source could be the writer. How can he call himself a journalist, A statement like that CANNOT be made without having someone go on record.
High Risk Low Reward
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
December 09 2011 02:08 GMT
#738
On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?


That is so fucking pathetic to put in an anonymous source like that who is not related to any of the organisations involved. May as well take a quote from some random troll on TL...
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 02:09:56
December 09 2011 02:08 GMT
#739
On December 09 2011 11:05 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:55 Maenander wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:
Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing.

http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quantic

Of particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat?


It could have been a nice article without an anonymous informer slinging mud, "he needs to seek professional help" sounds more like standard internet flaming than an informed opinion.


Using an anonymous source in an article completely discredits whoever edits the ESFI stories. Without a source who is willing to go on record you have nothing. What that basically means is that ESFI's journalist took a literal dump on Naniwa. For all we know that anonymous source could be the writer. How can he call himself a journalist, A statement like that CANNOT be made without having someone go on record.


This is a bit overblown...how often to major, credible news souces cite "unnamed" and "anonymous" sources? All the time actually. Also, just because they name someone does not always add credit either.

It just means to have to take it for the rumor it is, that is a lot of times how journalism works. I am not saying it is right, but it is what it is.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
December 09 2011 02:09 GMT
#740
well this is just gigantic news.

First destiny, now NaNi, they're building quite the force
moose...indian
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