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DreamHack Winter 2011 StarCraft II casters - Page 17

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AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
November 15 2011 20:54 GMT
#321
All fantastic casters except for TB, still not entirely sure why he's as popular as he is in the SC2 casting world.

I'll be tuning in nonetheless
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
November 15 2011 20:57 GMT
#322
On November 16 2011 05:18 nicksson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 03:02 Dronk wrote:
Rotterdam > TotalBiscuit
Anyhows gonna be sick!



Rotterdam sucks!
Event will be sick for sure

stfu don't diss rotterdam. DH will be sick but it won't feel real without rotti T____T
SaSe fan club manager
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
November 15 2011 21:16 GMT
#323
On November 16 2011 04:54 MavivaM wrote:

This is an interesting point.
TB, I'd like to ask you a question if you want: assuming that casting games is your main/only job (I think, at least) do you think that you are fine the way you are?
r]


It's not my main job, it is a part-time hobby.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
November 15 2011 21:28 GMT
#324
Awesome ! Look forward to some awesome casting. I do think that Rotterdam should be there though, he's a boss. He and Mr Bitter made a pretty epic casting duo. Looks like an awesome Arena for the final show as well.
"Sen, lings are OP" - HelloKittySS /// <3 http://www.twitch.tv/legendre20 <3
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
November 15 2011 21:33 GMT
#325
sucks, wanted to meet rotti again <3
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
RobX
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden14 Posts
November 15 2011 21:40 GMT
#326
Why all the flak on TB? He's definitely one of my favourite casters. He and Apollo makes an excellent pair, with Apollo supplying the deeper analysis. Not being a grandmasters doesn't equal poor casting.

Looking forward to TB/Apollo channel on DH!


RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
November 15 2011 21:43 GMT
#327
On November 16 2011 04:33 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 16 2011 03:23 Tarotis wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:58 FliedLice wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:16 kickinhead wrote:
Oh yes; why Totalbiscuit? Has he really that large of a following? Is he even Gold on the ladder?...



because.
yes.
does it matter?

I really like the caster lineup, I personally would have prefered Rotterdam, too, but we cant have everything and I will just mute TB

Actually, yes it does matter. In my opinion, a caster has to understand the depths of a game. I think e.g. RotterdaM (as high in masters as you can get) can analyze way more and better than a gold player


My role is not analysis, that should be clear.

It is, and that is why I dont like you as a caster, if I am allowed to say so. Of course, a caster has to be entertaining, but my personal preference is 2 people knowing both analysis and entertainment and preferably having casted a lot of games together (e.g. Bitterdam)


No. it's not, he's a color caster, for pepole who aren't knowledgable about the game, and especially pepole who just want to get entertained while watching.

I honestly think that having no analysis casters is better than having all analysis casters, because the number of pepole who don't know anything about SC2 but will get hooked by a good caster is way bigger than the number of pepole who just want to learn more about the game.
champy
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden33 Posts
November 15 2011 21:46 GMT
#328
Ah mrBitter back in biz, great to see, love his casting!
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Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:00:10
November 15 2011 21:56 GMT
#329
What a suprise, a totalbiscuit casting argument on teamliquid.

/facepalm

Its all been said so many timessss.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
deepfield1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States373 Posts
November 15 2011 21:58 GMT
#330
<3 TB, fuck the haters!

Can't wait for this!
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 15 2011 22:06 GMT
#331
Hmm, no Rotterdam?

I like how he works with Mr Bitter, but a fantastic caster lineup anyways
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Liqvid.Poopfeast420
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden2 Posts
November 16 2011 01:12 GMT
#332
I am a fairly seasoned player and I quite like TB's analysis. I noticed he was reading the thread so thought I might throw in my 2 cents on people's reactions here.

TB has some very clear pro's and cons.

Pro's: great voice, great accent, fun humour, quick and manages high pace, clearly audible and generally engaging to listen to.

Cons: there is very little analysis. Since he doesnt promise any analysis, thats fine. But I think it is not far from his reach. He should learn it to become brilliant.

Right now he mostly comments on which units he expects to die during skirmishes, as well as other obvious stuff "THAT was not good for Huk" or "It's costing him a lot of money to make these Broodlords" or "I think that this planetary fortress might go down" (when it will definitely go down) etc. Thats better than nothing, and to be honest about 20% of all casting is just "stating the obvious", keeping the viewer up-to-speed and maintaining a tense and exciting atmosphere. It is when stating-the-obvious reaches and exceeds the critical 70-80% mark that mid- and higher-tier players start getting a bit bored. The other casters can give predictions, in depth knowledge about builds (their viability in the matchup, who invented them, who is known for them, what their chance of success is etc) as well as maps (what the win ratios are for each matchup etc), I hear Day9 saying things like "on 3 gas, a protoss just CANNOT do this build" which is in my opinion the kind of truly interesting opinions that a caster should insert into a game every now and again. Having said that, with the few things that TB _does know_, he puts on a hell of a show and I can't remember ever being disappointed on hearing that he would cast a game (Rotterdam is smart, but not so fun. Artosis is very smart, but weak voice, etc).

So I just wish he would learn more of the builds, the strats, the maps, the legacy and history of builds and also more metagame so that he could give these insights, because then he would become SO good and wouldn't draw all this criticism. You don't need to be master league to be able to make these kinds of statements, SC2 is a finite game with a finite number of learnable builds.

Sooo looking forward to Dreamhack! One of the sickest line-ups of players ever! Go Nerchio!

Peace
It's simple. We EAT batman.
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
November 16 2011 11:36 GMT
#333
Juz out of curiosity, how much do casters get per gig?
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 16 2011 11:48 GMT
#334
On November 16 2011 06:40 RobX wrote:
Why all the flak on TB? He's definitely one of my favourite casters. He and Apollo makes an excellent pair, with Apollo supplying the deeper analysis. Not being a grandmasters doesn't equal poor casting.

Looking forward to TB/Apollo channel on DH!




I agree, TB and Apollo works great together.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
November 16 2011 11:49 GMT
#335
On November 16 2011 20:36 taldarimAltar wrote:
Juz out of curiosity, how much do casters get per gig?

They don't release numbers publicly, similar to pretty much every company ever...but with this many big names being flown across the planet when there's so much other stuff for them to do, I'd think they'd be getting paid at the very least a few thousand.
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
November 16 2011 11:53 GMT
#336
On November 16 2011 06:43 RageBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:33 Tarotis wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 16 2011 03:23 Tarotis wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:58 FliedLice wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:16 kickinhead wrote:
Oh yes; why Totalbiscuit? Has he really that large of a following? Is he even Gold on the ladder?...



because.
yes.
does it matter?

I really like the caster lineup, I personally would have prefered Rotterdam, too, but we cant have everything and I will just mute TB

Actually, yes it does matter. In my opinion, a caster has to understand the depths of a game. I think e.g. RotterdaM (as high in masters as you can get) can analyze way more and better than a gold player


My role is not analysis, that should be clear.

It is, and that is why I dont like you as a caster, if I am allowed to say so. Of course, a caster has to be entertaining, but my personal preference is 2 people knowing both analysis and entertainment and preferably having casted a lot of games together (e.g. Bitterdam)


No. it's not, he's a color caster, for pepole who aren't knowledgable about the game, and especially pepole who just want to get entertained while watching.

I honestly think that having no analysis casters is better than having all analysis casters, because the number of pepole who don't know anything about SC2 but will get hooked by a good caster is way bigger than the number of pepole who just want to learn more about the game.

I did not say he is a bad caster, I just did say I (me, nobody else, everybody can have his own opinion about him, thats just mine!) dont like him as a caster
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 16 2011 11:57 GMT
#337
On November 16 2011 20:49 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 20:36 taldarimAltar wrote:
Juz out of curiosity, how much do casters get per gig?

They don't release numbers publicly, similar to pretty much every company ever...but with this many big names being flown across the planet when there's so much other stuff for them to do, I'd think they'd be getting paid at the very least a few thousand.


Maybe that's why the prize pool have been so small in the past!

MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
November 16 2011 11:58 GMT
#338
On November 16 2011 06:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:54 MavivaM wrote:

This is an interesting point.
TB, I'd like to ask you a question if you want: assuming that casting games is your main/only job (I think, at least) do you think that you are fine the way you are?
r]


It's not my main job, it is a part-time hobby.

Well, that explains a lot.
In that case I can't do anything but wish you good luck for the games!

A little feedback if you care: differently from other people, I don't have any problem with commentators/you stating the obvious: after all, your job is telling people what's happening.
I just hate when a caster says something completely wrong or miss something that should be clear.

Cast cast gogogo
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
rakuli
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
November 16 2011 12:47 GMT
#339
Event will be sick indeed. First MLG and the week after MLG we have Dreamhack. This will be a couple of nights not sleeping for me..!
Creep is bad for the environment... It kills the trees!
Xenogears
Profile Joined July 2011
France87 Posts
November 16 2011 13:18 GMT
#340
On November 16 2011 04:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 03:23 Tarotis wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:58 FliedLice wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:16 kickinhead wrote:
Oh yes; why Totalbiscuit? Has he really that large of a following? Is he even Gold on the ladder?...



because.
yes.
does it matter?

I really like the caster lineup, I personally would have prefered Rotterdam, too, but we cant have everything and I will just mute TB

Actually, yes it does matter. In my opinion, a caster has to understand the depths of a game. I think e.g. RotterdaM (as high in masters as you can get) can analyze way more and better than a gold player


My role is not analysis, that should be clear.



Hi TB,

Could you possibly try and play the game a little more?
I think it would be nice if you could be more than bronze league.

It would bring credibility and sense to what you are saying!

Big fan.
MVP :)
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