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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 09 2011 03:56 GMT
#541
On November 09 2011 12:48 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:47 TheGunrun wrote:
Gus just called me, he's on the way to the hotel now, hope we can get this settled soon.


This actually shocks me

Considering how his image has been bashed (for good reasoN), at least he's trying to cover a little bit of the mess.
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WilliamNikhe
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines9 Posts
November 09 2011 03:59 GMT
#542
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.
My mind is my battlefield and sanctuary. My weapon is conviction and perseverance my shield.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 09 2011 04:00 GMT
#543
Wow this is just as bad as the WDT scandal back in the early broodwar days ;(
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Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
November 09 2011 04:01 GMT
#544
On November 09 2011 12:56 iSometric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:48 SMD wrote:
On November 09 2011 12:47 TheGunrun wrote:
Gus just called me, he's on the way to the hotel now, hope we can get this settled soon.


This actually shocks me

Considering how his image has been bashed (for good reasoN), at least he's trying to cover a little bit of the mess.


Granted, this is a good first step, assuming he really shows up and clears this mess, but to be perfectly honest, it would take much much more before anyone would trust him in organizing anything again.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
November 09 2011 04:03 GMT
#545
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.


I'm so horribly intrigued...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 04:10:42
November 09 2011 04:04 GMT
#546
This all sounds to me like a guy who got way in over his head then any sort of elaborate scheme. With no experience he tried to organize a tournament on international scale, without sufficient liquid assets and failed miserably. Granted the allegations of favoring his team-members rather then members from other teams/bracket fixing seem pretty damning, the rest of the allegations seem to fall within the plausible denial of incompetence then any elaborate scheme to defraud the community.

Unless we know the details of IPLs payment schedule its reasonable to believe did not he have the funds even though they were paid on time from IGN: they may have went to other upfront costs to cover other sponsors that may not pay so quickly. Whats not reasonable is that he favored his own players with what funds he had rather then the other players. It seems pretty reasonable to favor the international/Korean players and casters in terms of funding priority: they are what the sponsors are after really, due to the much larger following for those scenes, and they have no shortage of tourniment offers so if he delayed in the slightest they would just tell him to F off. It's not so reasonable to favor his SEA players over the SEA players of other teams though. And its frankly incompetent not to be completely transparent about this sort of thing and the decision making process that went into it.

If he pays his assorted other costs like this 13000 dollar bill and the other payments to event staff, then I'll be willing(and granted my opinion is pretty meaningless) to chock it off to good intentions mixed with a little favoritism, and a lot of inexperience.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
November 09 2011 04:04 GMT
#547
On November 09 2011 13:01 Gh86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:56 iSometric wrote:
On November 09 2011 12:48 SMD wrote:
On November 09 2011 12:47 TheGunrun wrote:
Gus just called me, he's on the way to the hotel now, hope we can get this settled soon.


This actually shocks me

Considering how his image has been bashed (for good reasoN), at least he's trying to cover a little bit of the mess.


Granted, this is a good first step, assuming he really shows up and clears this mess, but to be perfectly honest, it would take much much more before anyone would trust him in organizing anything again.


I wouldn't trust him organizing a pizza party for a school classroom.
Snitches get stiches
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#548
I'm actually one of those people that don't think Gus' intention was to hold a fake tournament and embezzle money.

I actually believe that he is a truly inexperienced and imcompetent manager, that relies on manipulation, fast talking and false hope to create opportunity. But when it comes to making things actually happen, he has neither the mental discipline or the street smarts to come up with a real plan, let alone execute one.

This just makes him look and act like a con man, rather than being one. Quite frankly a real con man would have done a better job conning everyone.

Of course, that doesn't make him any less reprehensible.


Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
November 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#549
On November 09 2011 13:03 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.


I'm so horribly intrigued...


I don't want to be horribly intrigued by that. If something really happens to Gus, even if it had nothing to do with this at all, that could be used as evidence against him. Not too cool to get stuck in situations like that
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
November 09 2011 04:09 GMT
#550
On November 09 2011 13:03 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.


I'm so horribly intrigued...




Lol, I feel the same way hahaha
WilliamNikhe
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines9 Posts
November 09 2011 04:14 GMT
#551
On November 09 2011 13:09 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 13:03 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.


I'm so horribly intrigued...




Lol, I feel the same way hahaha


If he does not fix this, I swear he will never be able to step in to another e-sports event here.

Or SEA for that matter.
My mind is my battlefield and sanctuary. My weapon is conviction and perseverance my shield.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 04:16:02
November 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#552
On November 09 2011 09:45 Rixilius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 03:07 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 09 2011 03:02 Arrietty wrote:
You know, all these things have got me thinking: Considering all he has done has looked very seedy and suspicious, how was this guy able to get so many sponsors?!


Because he was a Trusted Clan Leader/Member of Clan AZK Possibly a somewhat relevant/prominent member of the SEA Community.

But what happened was Fucking Shameful he betrayed everyone. IPL/IGN Could not of known that he would betray them and mis-use the funding like this. IPL/IGN Had sponsored it and put their trust in him to run/manage the Tournament.

Turns out they were Wrong the guy mis-used the Funding for his own Team AZK's Benefit and denied players flights who had qualified for the tournament in the qualifiers.

Those players being three players two being from Cube Phillipines Clan and YJY From Australia


Hi I'm part of the Cube Clan/Team and I would also like to point out something that Gus did that slipped by and most people haven't noticed yet.

Actually Four members from our team Qualified for the PPSL, it was even put on the ppsl.tv players site that me,CubeDione,CubeSalt, and CubePayAso were going. Mysteriously when the brackets were generated I did not see
CubePayAso's name anywhere. Who could have taken his slot?

1 week before the event Gus told us to buy our own ticket and he'll just pay us back at manila. Our team was hesitant with this and we decided that the risk was to great. We might not get refunded. So we didn't buy our own tickets.
Though things would have been fine if Gus told us a month before the event that he wasnt going to fly us there. Because frankly a ticket from Cebu to Manila is not that expensive but buying a ticket a less than a week before the flight from Cebu to Manila is more that triple the price it could have been weeks before.

Worst case scenario for us could have been that we bought our own plane tickets because Gus said that he would reimburse us once we meet him there at Manila. Which would have been impossible knowing how dodgy he was. And lose more than 25,000 thousand pesos that like 580 USD. Then CubePayAso would have purposely gone absent from work just to play at PPSL and arrive there with his slot gone.



Page 23 has alot of damning information on what Gus 'Did'

Oh and that's probably only half of 'it'
Never GG MKP | IdrA
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#553
Poll: Probability of winners receiving money

0% (68)
 
80%

20% (8)
 
9%

100% (6)
 
7%

40% (1)
 
1%

60% (1)
 
1%

80% (1)
 
1%

85 total votes

Your vote: Probability of winners receiving money

(Vote): 0%
(Vote): 20%
(Vote): 40%
(Vote): 60%
(Vote): 80%
(Vote): 100%



JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
November 09 2011 04:16 GMT
#554
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.
Shed some light buddy. We want to hear (and possibly dissuade you ? :D)
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
November 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#555
On November 09 2011 13:07 Defacer wrote:
I'm actually one of those people that don't think Gus' intention was to hold a fake tournament and embezzle money.

I actually believe that he is a truly inexperienced and imcompetent manager, that relies on manipulation, fast talking and false hope to create opportunity. But when it comes to making things actually happen, he has neither the mental discipline or the street smarts to come up with a real plan, let alone execute one.

This just makes him look and act like a con man, rather than being one. Quite frankly a real con man would have done a better job conning everyone.

Of course, that doesn't make him any less reprehensible.


Agreed. this "Gus" guys seems like a totally incompetent fella. Terrible apology - at least be as silver-tongued as the EG apology.
WilliamNikhe
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines9 Posts
November 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#556
On November 09 2011 13:16 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 12:59 WilliamNikhe wrote:
If this does not get fixed...

I will deal with this my way.
Shed some light buddy. We want to hear (and possibly dissuade you ? :D)


Lol no, you guys are thinking of violent things.
My mind is my battlefield and sanctuary. My weapon is conviction and perseverance my shield.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
November 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#557
Well when you word it like that...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Pobbes
Profile Joined August 2010
Philippines54 Posts
November 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#558
fyi the winners received the money right after the event. in cash
you got map jacked
probablywrong
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Philippines209 Posts
November 09 2011 04:22 GMT
#559
On November 09 2011 13:19 Pobbes wrote:
fyi the winners received the money right after the event. in cash


supposedly. did you see how thick the envelope was? i just can't imagine 86,000PHP being too thin.
Rexking
Profile Joined October 2011
United States45 Posts
November 09 2011 04:22 GMT
#560
He showed up on reddit trying to look cool, and even lied with prob the biggest poker face ever, like nothing was happening.
"A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." Bruce Lee.
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