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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:22:18
November 03 2011 22:16 GMT
#121
When I clicked this thread I expected more witty Lannister allusions with possible pictures but you only used the word once =(

False advertising!
TissTuss
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden33 Posts
November 03 2011 22:17 GMT
#122
I dont get the paperwork thingy. It seems like stuff you can do in advance. I mean every torunament in germany cant have thiere prices delayed by 3 months right?

I think what frustrating to many is that some organisations seem to pull it off really welll while others say it doesnt work that way and have various explanations why not.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14174 Posts
November 03 2011 22:18 GMT
#123
I think it would have been better if you framed it in the context of how many events you have going on and trying to organize the different exchange rates and organizing the different countries that you have to work with and the different tax codes. I'm not sure that people should compare MLG and ESL when there could be a hell of a lot more financial issues with paying out "prize's" or rewards when in america they just give you the cash and your expected to file it on your own tax documents.

If ESL say had transparency about the events they had and checked off the different people that where paid and the people who weren't yet it would be a lot better then blind suspicion about the people who haven't been paid yet.

Not to seem like ESL is a special case but if they where they where responsible for just IEM's they'd be in the same boat as MLG but they manage so many other things that they deserve special treatment from people. I'm sure that ESL has many more problems with paying out that isn't they're fault but your not stating and so making it seem like you're not very good/ don't care enough about paying out prize money.

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FaZe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada472 Posts
November 03 2011 22:29 GMT
#124
To the dozens of people posting in this thread - before you post some indignant post about business morals and proper practices, please have some kind of idea what you're talking about.

The idea that every tournament can instantly pay out 100% of all prize money is ridiculous. I'd much rather have a league be late on payments than not exist at all.

ESports could profit from agents / player managers.
"Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none."
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
November 03 2011 22:29 GMT
#125
Ehh. This really doesn't change much for me until the players get paid.
These organizations really should be pushing their employees really hard to get the players paid because if they don't get paid and they stop coming, nobody will want to watch the tournament.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:40:31
November 03 2011 22:34 GMT
#126
since we are talking about prize money and that profesional organizations have troubles paying like 1k$ prize money, i wonder how long did it take for TL to payout TSL prize money ^^
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
tabbott26
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom379 Posts
November 03 2011 22:37 GMT
#127
On November 04 2011 07:34 whiteLotus wrote:
since we are talking about prize money and that profesional organizations have troubles paying like 1k$ prize money, i wonder how did it take for TL to payout TSL prize money ^^


But they are in America. Notice all of the American tourneys are good with their timings, because tax laws are different there.

As someone who has worked in the tax industry, here in the UK things are quite late (strangely enough, 2-3 months....)
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SarenS
Profile Joined January 2006
France36 Posts
November 03 2011 22:44 GMT
#128
Hi,

I won French EPS Season IX in 2010 and ended 3rd the Season X this year, I'm still waiting my money. Is there any particular problem with French ESL ? Since someone told me that we should be paid around 6 months....

Thanks for your answer
tabbott26
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom379 Posts
November 03 2011 22:45 GMT
#129
On November 04 2011 07:44 SarenS wrote:
Hi,

I won French EPS Season IX in 2010 and ended 3rd the Season X this year, I'm still waiting my money. Is there any particular problem with French ESL ? Since someone told me that we should be paid around 6 months....

Thanks for your answer


Might be worth shooting him a PM, twitter etc... then letting us know what the situation is. :D
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Vexas
Profile Joined November 2010
United States98 Posts
November 03 2011 22:46 GMT
#130
Thank you so much for making such a clear and succinct post on the matter. Companies being transparent on such matters is very important to myself and others of these events. Thank you and I hope all of this gets cleared up soon!

Gl and Hf!
"Sooner or later we're all someone's dog" ~Angua
Talros
Profile Joined August 2011
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:54:00
November 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#131
So from what I've read here, average ESL payout is 90 days, but depending on the tournament it can go longer.

My question is, why did Cloud have to wait 11 months (December 2010 2nd place in EPS Germany) to get his money or even get acknowledged? Was it explicitly stated that this tournament would take 12 months or longer for payouts to occur?

My point in making this post is that I think you guys need to have a meeting or something and seriously rethink the process you use to determine who gets paid and when. 90 days is understandable, 6 months is pushing it, 11 months is ridiculous.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
November 03 2011 22:59 GMT
#132
Ahhh, ESL, the Mecca of Esports, why do people even question their legitimacy.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Nore
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand128 Posts
November 03 2011 23:04 GMT
#133
Good post carmac I am a big fan of esl from the point they introduced quake to now and for definitely will be much longer.

From reading some of these replies it makes feel a little shameful that I used to post the same on such topics, it's very hard to put perspective to people on how many variables are in one situation as to them its all just white and black. I hope that people understand that if one thing that was said is true the opposite is not always false.

Good luck in the future i hope this thread brings good things more then bad, at least it will filter out some stupid people watching your tournaments.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 03 2011 23:04 GMT
#134
When they said 3 months, they mean 3 years I think, just a mistake in paperwork.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 03 2011 23:07 GMT
#135
Well this is pretty much what I expected before I started reading. They eventually pay, but they are slow to do so. It is obviously not ideal, but not the worst thing in the world. I just wish they would take some action to say "Look, we are changing this. That means we will definitely be paying earlier."
Nore
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand128 Posts
November 03 2011 23:10 GMT
#136
On November 04 2011 08:07 Chicane wrote:
Well this is pretty much what I expected before I started reading. They eventually pay, but they are slow to do so. It is obviously not ideal, but not the worst thing in the world. I just wish they would take some action to say "Look, we are changing this. That means we will definitely be paying earlier."


they did say that

d) The average prize money delay differs between individual tournaments, but it's not as bad as it's made out to be. Obviously it should not happen. People at ESL are aware of it and are working to make sure everything gets paid and that the delay in prize money goes away.


Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
November 03 2011 23:14 GMT
#137
If you cannot get the money to a player within 90 days and the player provided you with proper information for payment, then you should be paying interest on that prize money to the player.
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
November 03 2011 23:22 GMT
#138
Thanks for your perspective Carmac. Looking forward to Cloud's response.
KAkos MAgos
Profile Joined July 2011
Greece47 Posts
November 03 2011 23:23 GMT
#139
kind of strange that SK-gaming and mousesports never have problems with ESL but all the others have......
Dezire
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands640 Posts
November 03 2011 23:23 GMT
#140
im glad theres ppl like you in charge of esports business
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