According to Korean e-sport site ESChosun.comZenio has left the oGs team.
I asked community member Clefairy for a summary of the article and it seems that oGs doesn't allow players to practice outside of the team house without a good reason, so Zenio is now looking for a team that doesn't require to stay in the house.
Nada is allowed to practice outside because of his studies, but Zenio doesn't have a good enough reason to practice outside the team house.
If someone can translate the full article or if there is some false info/more to add, feel free to share it and i'll edit them to the OP.
Source(In Korean)You need a Korean IP/Proxy to access the site apparently.
Thanks to Clefairy for the summary! News tweet by ESChosun reporter, Siwoo 'zelgadiss' Lee
변현우(프라임)와의 명경기를 통해 팬들의 사랑을 받는 스타크래프트2 저그 선수 '제니오' 최정민이 28일부로 정든 팀 oGs를 떠난다.
The player oGs Zenio who attained fans through games with Byun Prime is leaving oGs on the 28th.
oGs 박상익 감독은 최정민의 탈퇴에 대해 "최정민 선수가 오랜 시간 숙소생활을 하면서 '합숙'이라는 시스템을 신경써 온 것 같다"며 "함께 해결방안을 모색했지만 팀 규정상 외부 연습, 혹은 자택 연습을 하는 경우를 특별한 사유 없이는 허용할 수 없어 부득이하게 최 선수와 결별하게 됐다"고 밝혔다.
Coach park (oGs TheWind) on zenio's leave: "Zenio has been thinking about dorm life for a long time" and "we have looked for a solution, but the team regulations require a special case to be allowed to train outside the house. Therefore we have parted ways with Zenio.
(not sure how to make that sound less negative... in korean its not negative at all)
박 감독은 또 "이윤열 선수는 대학교에서 학업을 병행하기 때문에 휴학한 상태에서도 공부를 손에서 놓을 수 없는 상황이라 외부 생활을 하고 있다. 최정민 선수와는 경우가 조금 다르기에 팬들의 넓은 이해를 바라며, 최 선수가 향후 좋은 성적을 거두기를 응원하겠다"고도 덧붙였다.
coach park on oGsNada "Nada is allowed because he cannot stop studying even if he has taken a break from school, but zenio's case is a little different." coach park also wishes that fans will understand and that he will root for zenio even after he has left the team
따라서 오는 11월 21일 '글로벌 스타크래프트2 리그(GSL)' 2011 시즌7(Nov) 코드A 48강 마지막날 출전이 확정된 최정민은 해당 경기부터 oGs 유니폼을 입지 않는다.
therefore, today (november 21st) zenio will not wear the oGs uniform on the Code A stage
한편 최정민이 새로 둥지를 틀 게임단은 아직 정해지지 않았으며 '숙소 생활이 필수가 아닌 팀'으로의 이적을 우선 고려할 것으로 보인다.
on the other hand, zenio has not yet chosen a team to join, but he will look for a team where dorm life is not required.
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
Uhh, I'm guessing he just now wants to train outside the team house...
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
According to the summary i got, he didn't get kicked - he chose to leave because he wants to practice outside of the team house, but that is not allowed without a proper reason.
That is sad but I can understand that he doesnt want to stay in the house, as far as I know it is the same kind of thing as the other pro houses and I would feal really uncomfortable living witht hat many people in such a small place. Hopefully he finds a team soon
On October 28 2011 20:13 Drey wrote: Nestea and MVP dont stay in IM house and they are doing great, but each team is different I guess.
They dont sleep there but they do come in to the house to actually practice. not all the time but non the less. Zenio wants to stay home all the time and practice from there.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
Polt lives outside the TSL house, I believe.
Zenio is a great zerg. He had an awful Code S and Up-and-Down, but he still has great talent. I can see him going to any team. I can't think of a team that doesn't have a player living outside the team house.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
Polt lives outside the TSL house, I believe.
Zenio is a great zerg. He had an awful Code S and Up-and-Down, but he still has great talent. I can see him going to any team. I can't think of a team that doesn't have a player living outside the team house.
On October 28 2011 20:36 Novalisk wrote: Damn, oGs is just down to Luvsic and JookTo as their zerg players. TheWind is still there to help, but I can't see him as a practice partner.
On October 28 2011 20:36 Novalisk wrote: Damn, oGs is just down to Luvsic and JookTo as their zerg players. TheWind is still there to help, but I can't see him as a practice partner.
On October 28 2011 20:36 Novalisk wrote: Damn, oGs is just down to Luvsic and JookTo as their zerg players. TheWind is still there to help, but I can't see him as a practice partner.
Cezanne as well, he is actually quite good too.
Hasn't Cezanne taken a game off Nestea in a ZvZ?
Yes in the super tournament, almost beat him too, but Nestea went MacGyver Zerg and won somehow
no clue what his supposed reason could have been and i can imagine some people practice outside of the team house because they feel like it gives them the better conditions. you also have the privacy of having a relationship at the same time
If a terran like me can appreciate how good Zenio is then I don't fear for his continued esports career. Even if he doesn't get picked up by a Korean team I can see him joining up with foreigners.
On October 28 2011 20:36 Novalisk wrote: Damn, oGs is just down to Luvsic and JookTo as their zerg players. TheWind is still there to help, but I can't see him as a practice partner.
Cezanne as well, he is actually quite good too.
Hasn't Cezanne taken a game off Nestea in a ZvZ?
Yes in the super tournament, almost beat him too, but Nestea went MacGyver Zerg and won somehow
Cezanne finally requalified for Code A this season too.
(which is nice since he clearly works hard and has been close repeatedly the last couple)
Tbh, I can't really see him getting into another "top team". Not just because of skill but if he don't wanna practice at a team house I don't think many teams are that interested in him either. Maybe he will go to ZeNEX if they are still around for GSTL.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
Polt lives outside the TSL house, I believe.
Zenio is a great zerg. He had an awful Code S and Up-and-Down, but he still has great talent. I can see him going to any team. I can't think of a team that doesn't have a player living outside the team house.
He lived outside the Prime house. I'm pretty sure Artosis filmed him while he was in the TSL house and he seemed to have a table ready for him in Ep2 which wasn't there in Ep1 + he had a towel on his neck, which might imply he could be staying there. Or at least practicing in the house.
I often wondered is it worth it to be a pro gamer playing 10+ hours a day in a room with 10 guys then your bedroom has 2 bunk beds. I'd rather live in a 1 bedroom house/apartment playing poker. Then you can watch Sc2 and play even better poker not being impatient. Playing 2 'Double or Nothing' games ($100 stake for example, top 5 get $200, bottom 5 get nothing). Win 2-3 of those a day and you have a full time job. Throw in a few 1000+ player tournaments finish top 15% and get decent money.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
Polt lives outside the TSL house, I believe.
Zenio is a great zerg. He had an awful Code S and Up-and-Down, but he still has great talent. I can see him going to any team. I can't think of a team that doesn't have a player living outside the team house.
Polt also studies, so if he were on oGs they would allow him to practise outside the team house as well.
i wonde why he wouldnt want to practice in the teamhouse since im sure the parctice there is quite a bit better if you live in a teamhouse and i also think its harder to stay motivated if you are all alone
I think that's reasonable. If oGs wants the best players possible then they need to live together and be one team. Obviously things can get in the way like studies, but if you just dont want to live there then why be on the team. GL to Zenio wherever he goes
Noooo, Zenio has been one of my favorite Korean Zerg players ever since he beat Idra in spectacular fashion in the GSL way back. He doesn't get as much publicity as the big names like Nestea, DRG, and Losira, but he has always been having a consistent GSL performance until recently.
On October 29 2011 00:01 Geo.Rion wrote: Wow, oGs(-TL) was the scariest team for a long time, now they look fairly mediocre
what? they had 7 players qualify for code A this season, they only have one player, oGsIllusion who is not in code A or code S, what other teams can you name that have such a presence in GSL?
On October 29 2011 00:01 Geo.Rion wrote: Wow, oGs(-TL) was the scariest team for a long time, now they look fairly mediocre
Because they lost Zenio? Really?
Or because MC has been slumping? Jinro has been slumping? HuK is no longer with TL? Zenio leaving is just another reason.
MC slumping really, think about the last three tournaments he has played in and how many times he has lost to a non protoss, if your not sure its once to july, vT he has not lost and vP is is very unforgiving/random, clearly you missed IPL, MLG, ESWC he reactivated bosstoss mode some time ago now
wait all oGs players stay in the house? I'm not surprise about Zenio's decision, he was out of Code S and want a little breather. Sometimes you just need to be alone or with family/friends and play with no pressure/stress.
man, those are some strict rules in the OGS house.... be there everyday except if you have a real good reason, or get kicked out.... maybe there's something else involved???
Hopefully Zenio is able to find a team that will allow him to freely practice in the conditions he wants. I'm not sure why he had to take a step back from the scene, but, hopefully everything works out - he seems really talented , gl to him <3
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
He lived in the team house until uhhhhhhhh 2 months ago? I forget exactly when.
On October 29 2011 02:30 mints wrote: wasn't Zenio the team captain? I remember seeing it on a graphic during the GSTL...who's gonna be the captain now?
Pretty sure Cezanne was the oGs captain, though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.
On October 28 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote: Nada is allowed to practice outside because of his studies, but Zenio doesn't have a good enough reason to practice outside the team house.
I feel like NaDa is allowed to practice outside because he's NaDa.
On October 29 2011 01:51 Torte de Lini wrote: Zenio to StarTale? ;D
Meh I hope he goes to a better team than that.
StarTale has Bomber and Curious, dude, and to be honest, Virus is no push-over either, which he showed last season. July's good when he's in form, and Squirtle just made Code A again. And say what you want about FD, but considering he just went 2-3 against DRG with what he calls his "bad ZvZ," I'd say that ST clearly isn't a bad team.
On October 28 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote: Nada is allowed to practice outside because of his studies, but Zenio doesn't have a good enough reason to practice outside the team house.
I feel like NaDa is allowed to practice outside because he's NaDa.
For sure. NaDa can do whatever the fuck he wants and no one is going to do anything about it.
And for some reason I feel that Zenio is going to be picked up by Startale...
I remember in "Farwell HuK" thread, HuK told Zenio he was a top 3 zerg in korea and that he was glad that Zenio could live at his house because it suited him a lot better. Some people dont really work well in a setting like the team house and it is sad to see oGs lose such a good talent.
On October 28 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote: Nada is allowed to practice outside because of his studies, but Zenio doesn't have a good enough reason to practice outside the team house.
I feel like NaDa is allowed to practice outside because he's NaDa.
That might be, but he also seem to have a good reason not to practice in the team house. If studying isn't a good enough reason, i don't know what is.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL cut fruitdealer because he wasnt hardcore enough so i doubt theyd take Zenio
Zenio practices a shitload actually..... Always has. Living in a team house isn't for everyone.
Can you tell us a little about the pro's and cons of living in a teamhouse? Aside from the obvious training, what is the social thing like, the language barrier, do you have any days off, are you getting any sleep with all those kids so close together? Is alcohol allowed? Anyone bring girls to the house?
Zenio would certainly be a nice pickup by any Korean team. With the new changes in the GSL format, he may be able to quickly regain his Code S spot.
What would be even more interesting is if he were picked up by a foreign team that could send him to several international tournaments. Having him become a mainstay of the foreign competitive scene would be nice to see, since he is a colorful, confident personality, characteristics that the foreign fans especially value.
for a while there I thought Zenio was a top zerg, but i haven't seen too much of him lately probably with the overwhelming number of nonkorean tournaments
변현우(프라임)와의 명경기를 통해 팬들의 사랑을 받는 스타크래프트2 저그 선수 '제니오' 최정민이 28일부로 정든 팀 oGs를 떠난다.
The player oGs Zenio who attained fans through games with Byun Prime is leaving oGs on the 28th.
oGs 박상익 감독은 최정민의 탈퇴에 대해 "최정민 선수가 오랜 시간 숙소생활을 하면서 '합숙'이라는 시스템을 신경써 온 것 같다"며 "함께 해결방안을 모색했지만 팀 규정상 외부 연습, 혹은 자택 연습을 하는 경우를 특별한 사유 없이는 허용할 수 없어 부득이하게 최 선수와 결별하게 됐다"고 밝혔다.
Coach park (oGs TheWind) on zenio's leave: "Zenio has been thinking about dorm life for a long time" and "we have looked for a solution, but the team regulations require a special case to be allowed to train outside the house. Therefore we have parted ways with Zenio.
(not sure how to make that sound less negative... in korean its not negative at all)
박 감독은 또 "이윤열 선수는 대학교에서 학업을 병행하기 때문에 휴학한 상태에서도 공부를 손에서 놓을 수 없는 상황이라 외부 생활을 하고 있다. 최정민 선수와는 경우가 조금 다르기에 팬들의 넓은 이해를 바라며, 최 선수가 향후 좋은 성적을 거두기를 응원하겠다"고도 덧붙였다.
coach park on oGsNada "Nada is allowed because he cannot stop studying even if he has taken a break from school, but zenio's case is a little different." coach park also wishes that fans will understand and that he will root for zenio even after he has left the team
따라서 오는 11월 21일 '글로벌 스타크래프트2 리그(GSL)' 2011 시즌7(Nov) 코드A 48강 마지막날 출전이 확정된 최정민은 해당 경기부터 oGs 유니폼을 입지 않는다.
therefore, today (november 21st) zenio will not wear the oGs uniform on the Code A stage
한편 최정민이 새로 둥지를 틀 게임단은 아직 정해지지 않았으며 '숙소 생활이 필수가 아닌 팀'으로의 이적을 우선 고려할 것으로 보인다.
on the other hand, zenio has not yet chosen a team to join, but he will look for a team where dorm life is not required.
sorry about the rough translations. im not used to translating that much
On October 29 2011 04:06 SKYFISH_ wrote: What, the guy who bitchslap'd Idra outta code S is leaving oGs?
Surely he will find another team quickly, no biggie (:
What delusional world do you live in? They never played each other in code S. Zenio knocked IdrA out of the Round of 16 in the GSL open season. He did infact "bitch slap" him though lol.
oGs has no like notable zergs. I think they just had 2 of their unknowns (both lack of reputations and results) zergs qualify but their zergs have been quite since the beta. Only Zenio and the Wind (whose now a coach) really showed any strength. We'll see if the team captain cezzeane and jookto can finally break out of the slump.
On October 29 2011 06:17 yawnoC wrote: Shame I always thought he was a solid zerg and TBH it seemed like his play improved over the couple of months he wasn't in the house.
he's been playing worse...
last in his group for code S ro32 then I don't think he won a single game in the up/down
On October 29 2011 07:57 Seeker wrote: Wait.... what team out there doesn't require its players to stay in the team house and practice?
I would guess any team with younger players, who are still in school etc. Lots of players are around 15-17 but, its probably up to the team/parents for those younger players.
Too bad. Zenio used to be a really good player who just couldn't bring his best when it came to the big game. I hope a new change of scenery will do him good.
On October 29 2011 09:34 Existential wrote: Oh no! He was my favourite Zerg player in oGs...
On October 29 2011 04:06 SKYFISH_ wrote: What, the guy who bitchslap'd Idra outta code S is leaving oGs?
Surely he will find another team quickly, no biggie (:
What delusional world do you live in? They never played each other in code S. Zenio knocked IdrA out of the Round of 16 in the GSL open season. He did infact "bitch slap" him though lol.
oGs has no like notable zergs. I think they just had 2 of their unknowns (both lack of reputations and results) zergs qualify but their zergs have been quite since the beta. Only Zenio and the Wind (whose now a coach) really showed any strength. We'll see if the team captain cezzeane and jookto can finally break out of the slump.
JookTo plays exceptionally well in the KR weeklies and he qualified through the qualifiers. I'd say that's not bad, he's showing promise.
Either way though, Idra got the last laugh by pulling Zenio into his group when he left Korea.
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
THATS EXACTLY IT QUICK LETS GET SOME DRAMA GOING. No were in it does it say he got kicked, it just says he wants to practice outside of team house for whatever reason.
On October 28 2011 20:13 Drey wrote: Nestea and MVP dont stay in IM house and they are doing great, but each team is different I guess.
Keep in mind that Nestea and MVP are married, so that kind of leverages to why they don't live in a team house
O.O source?
I know this is not reliable but I remember a game in GSL where during the intros the camera zoomed out from Nestea's ring to his face and tasteless made a mention that he was married.
Understandable decision by both though - some want their space and not be 24/7 with other nerds, like most westerners seem to. But from team's perspective you'll get best focus in your game by playing with others alike 24/7.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Im in Seoul studying atm, so I can acces the korean page, but I cant read korean. But there is a picture of Zenio showing, what I believe to be, the penis size of his oppenent...
I think this is a huge blunder to oGs players, Zenio was a really solid zerg and to see him go is sad both for me as a fan and for players that practiced with him. Have to respect certain teams rules however, best of luck to him!
You have a mistake in the rough translation. It says that he left on November 21st and unless this is a message from the future you should fix the mistake.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
how is clide not code s material.
it's generally his consistancy in not advancing in code S and playing terrible on a reliable basis or advancing only against people who also shouldn't be in code S, or played absolutely awfully (ryung last season) hell Clide doesn't even do well in NON GSL events. just because a player is hyped doesn't mean he can do anything to back up that hype. and being consistantly barely in code S means he probably shouldn't be there if he's only there on the backs of players who also don't belong there.
and if we go further and look at his Win ratios
his TvZ is barely above 50%, and he has 2 notable wins, vs Nestea (a bunker rush ramp block victory in april) DRG (defended an all in that he scouted) and his TvZ is being bolstered by his defeat of a no name in the first open season of gsl.
his TvP is absolutely awful literally only beating bad players ( at the time). the best player he has beaten was san, back when san was sadzenith and not sanzenith, back when san was in zenith.
I reckon the lack of really good Zerg players in oGs might be the reason why MC finds PvZ so hard. If Zenio leaves oGs, then MC's PvZ might get even worse
Or maybe, if other Zergs join oGs to replace Zenio it will improve!
Either way, it is a shame for Zenio, he was a solid player but never outstanding. I wish him luck wherever he goes next.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
there are so many wrong things in this post
just to name two: -Clide not code s material? this guy never fell to the up and downs and isnt even one of those 3rd place campers because he always made it at least to ro 16 - wtf july?
On October 29 2011 17:49 SeaSwift wrote: I reckon the lack of really good Zerg players in oGs might be the reason why MC finds PvZ so hard. If Zenio leaves oGs, then MC's PvZ might get even worse
Or maybe, if other Zergs join oGs to replace Zenio it will improve!
Either way, it is a shame for Zenio, he was a solid player but never outstanding. I wish him luck wherever he goes next.
Zenio's ZvP isn't that good either. To be honest, Zenio has been slumping a lot lately and I feel Luvsic has far more potential than Zenio.
Also people tend to overlook the fact that some of the best practice may come from weaker tier players. For instance, Clide despite not being in the top rung of Terran players is pretty much a practice partner for everyone in Korea (thus the nickname Kind Terran). SlayerS_Lots has been noted by MMA as a very good practice partner in interviews (despite the fact that no one has ever heard of him).
Also you can get good practice with people from outside your team.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
there are so many wrong things in this post
just to name two: -Clide not code s material? this guy never fell to the up and downs and isnt even one of those 3rd place campers because he always made it at least to ro 16 - wtf july?
pls don't post on this topic anymore
clide is definitely not code S material. and GOMTV agrees since he can only ever make it to the RO16 where he loses 0-2 that means he'll be going to UP&Down next season. and he definitely hasn't always made it to the RO16. he made it half of the GSLs he's been in.
and yeah july has the skills you would expect of july but he's not much special you'd think he'd be better than he is at basics if he practiced as much and as hard as people say TSL does.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Do you know anything about TSL even? July plays for startale and yugioh plays for slayers. I would say TSL haven't been showing good results lately cause they lost half their lineup this summer, the recent gstl shows that they're coming back though.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Do you know anything about TSL even? July plays for startale and yugioh plays for slayers. I would say TSL haven't been showing good results lately cause they lost half their lineup this summer, the recent gstl shows that they're coming back though.
i often get ST and TSL confused. just because of the initials and the way I read(not carefully). i did the same thing with SKT T1 and KT in BW and alot of other minor mistakes.
and yeah yugioh plays for slayers, which is why i mentioned him playing for slayers and how he is the worst on slayers (in code S) and even he is better than some of TSL's players in code S.
and this recent GSTL shows that TSL does well in league play but can't win when it counts in bracket play. That could be for a number of factors but likely because they don't have a go to player that can win when situations get rough, they rely on getting a lead and being able to maintain it against anyone when they lose that lead it's really hard for them. but i don't think we'll see anything good out of TSL this season in the individual leagues. at least the team shores up it's own weaknesses with other players good matchups. but yeah the players themselves are not impressive which was my point.
Personally I don't see a reason for the dorm life as the players start making enough money to live close by and have their own shit but still spend 8-12 hours a day playing at the team house. That is how most other major sports work, you live close by and go to the team house to train everyday, don't see any reason why sc2 would be different.
What a stupid comment, seriously, he left the team himself, didn't get kicked. And also, he was training in the dorm for the longest time without leaving.
well i think this is a good move for zenio. from the sounds of things he mightve gotten kicked eventually if he didnt live in the dorm / leave on his own like he did. seems like an inevitable parting and zenio just made it easier =\
Hahahaha Zenio to EG. This is it. He must follow the path of Huk and EG should once again pick their most hated player, given that Zenio BM'ed Idra and denied Incontrol's handshake in the NASL finals. This would be great.
Shame really, Zenio hasnt had much success imo since GSL s2, he is a brilliant ZvZ player id say, but his other matchups are weak esp ZvP, i guess this is why hes taking a step away from the pro scene of sc2, it would be amazing if a player could have Zenios ZvZ, Idras ZvT and.......... Well i wouldnt say any protoss has as good ZvP as Nestea, but Nestea is just better in every matchup compared to every Z (Dont talk about Blizcon finals, he threw that game becuase he felt bad for MVP)
On October 30 2011 04:49 Abrafred wrote: Hahahaha Zenio to EG. This is it. He must follow the path of Huk and EG should once again pick their most hated player, given that Zenio BM'ed Idra and denied Incontrol's handshake in the NASL finals. This would be great.
i'm pretty sure it wasn't straight up "i'm not gonna shake this guys hand" but it looked more like he didn't notice it
so sad Zenio was one of the core members that made up oGs and their only good zerg Now oGs only consists of code s level terrans.... TOP, Supernova, Nada, STC, Ensnare(forever code s)
On October 30 2011 07:51 koolaid1990 wrote: so sad Zenio was one of the core members that made up oGs and their only good zerg Now oGs only consists of code s level terrans.... TOP, Supernova, Nada, STC, Ensnare(forever code s)
I hear they have a pretty good Protoss player as well, dunno
On October 30 2011 07:51 koolaid1990 wrote: so sad Zenio was one of the core members that made up oGs and their only good zerg Now oGs only consists of code s level terrans.... TOP, Supernova, Nada, STC, Ensnare(forever code s)
I hear they have a pretty good Protoss player as well, dunno
Yeah MC is still a top level protoss, and let's not forget the long era when none fucked with MC and he won basically everything.
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
he was never training out of the OGS-house lol.. posts like these starts unnecessary controversies
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Do you know anything about TSL even? July plays for startale and yugioh plays for slayers. I would say TSL haven't been showing good results lately cause they lost half their lineup this summer, the recent gstl shows that they're coming back though.
i often get ST and TSL confused. just because of the initials and the way I read(not carefully). i did the same thing with SKT T1 and KT in BW and alot of other minor mistakes.
and yeah yugioh plays for slayers, which is why i mentioned him playing for slayers and how he is the worst on slayers (in code S) and even he is better than some of TSL's players in code S.
and this recent GSTL shows that TSL does well in league play but can't win when it counts in bracket play. That could be for a number of factors but likely because they don't have a go to player that can win when situations get rough, they rely on getting a lead and being able to maintain it against anyone when they lose that lead it's really hard for them. but i don't think we'll see anything good out of TSL this season in the individual leagues. at least the team shores up it's own weaknesses with other players good matchups. but yeah the players themselves are not impressive which was my point.
TSL bad? U forgot about JYP and Revival, and Clide is great player...
Interesting. I hope he finds a new team to play with. It makes sense for him to be off oGs though. I can see where not being in the house may be a bad idea.
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Do you know anything about TSL even? July plays for startale and yugioh plays for slayers. I would say TSL haven't been showing good results lately cause they lost half their lineup this summer, the recent gstl shows that they're coming back though.
i often get ST and TSL confused. just because of the initials and the way I read(not carefully). i did the same thing with SKT T1 and KT in BW and alot of other minor mistakes.
and yeah yugioh plays for slayers, which is why i mentioned him playing for slayers and how he is the worst on slayers (in code S) and even he is better than some of TSL's players in code S.
and this recent GSTL shows that TSL does well in league play but can't win when it counts in bracket play. That could be for a number of factors but likely because they don't have a go to player that can win when situations get rough, they rely on getting a lead and being able to maintain it against anyone when they lose that lead it's really hard for them. but i don't think we'll see anything good out of TSL this season in the individual leagues. at least the team shores up it's own weaknesses with other players good matchups. but yeah the players themselves are not impressive which was my point.
TSL bad? U forgot about JYP and Revival, and Clide is great player...
You forgot POLT!!!! That guys a beast on his stream~
On October 28 2011 20:18 tabbott26 wrote: Tbh I'm not horribly surprised. Good luck though to Zenio in his Code A matches this season.
I could see him heading to NsHS or TSL.
TSL? its the most hardcore team ever, coach lee would rape his zerg butt 3 times a day if he doesnt practice 12 hours
then why aren't they any good
5-1 in the GSTL and every member of their A team except Heart in Code S/A is "not any good"?
clide is not code S material, Killer is not code S material, Polt is, Alive is debatable (his TvT is but his other matchups are meh). getting into Code A is an accomplishment, but staying in code A is not. none of TSL has impressed me. July's sense of timing is astounding, but really expected if you watched him in BW. every TSL member is underperforming for them to be practicing the hardest.
if you judge off results and play alone, then slayers is the clear winner for practicing the hardest. their weakest member iin code S is yugioh, and yugioh is still better than killer.
Do you know anything about TSL even? July plays for startale and yugioh plays for slayers. I would say TSL haven't been showing good results lately cause they lost half their lineup this summer, the recent gstl shows that they're coming back though.
i often get ST and TSL confused. just because of the initials and the way I read(not carefully). i did the same thing with SKT T1 and KT in BW and alot of other minor mistakes.
and yeah yugioh plays for slayers, which is why i mentioned him playing for slayers and how he is the worst on slayers (in code S) and even he is better than some of TSL's players in code S.
and this recent GSTL shows that TSL does well in league play but can't win when it counts in bracket play. That could be for a number of factors but likely because they don't have a go to player that can win when situations get rough, they rely on getting a lead and being able to maintain it against anyone when they lose that lead it's really hard for them. but i don't think we'll see anything good out of TSL this season in the individual leagues. at least the team shores up it's own weaknesses with other players good matchups. but yeah the players themselves are not impressive which was my point.
TSL bad? U forgot about JYP and Revival, and Clide is great player...
You forgot POLT!!!! That guys a beast on his stream~
Zenio seems like a weird pick. Whereas Hero was an up and coming player, Zenio seems to be well past his peak. His best finish was RO16 Code S back in January and since then has been teetering on the edge between Code S/A. And then finally goes 0-4 in his last up and down matches and falls to Code A. On top of that, TL has always valued good manner, and Zenio seems to be the opposite of that.
On November 13 2011 01:53 TheNihilist wrote: Zenio seems like a weird pick. Whereas Hero was an up and coming player, Zenio seems to be well past his peak. His best finish was RO16 Code S back in January and since then has been teetering on the edge between Code S/A. And then finally goes 0-4 in his last up and down matches and falls to Code A. On top of that, TL has always valued good manner, and Zenio seems to be the opposite of that.
How is Zenio bad mannered exactly? And ya he may not be at his prime right now but that doesn't mean he's still not a fantastic player, he would easily be TL's best zerg instantly
On October 28 2011 20:09 Koshi wrote: Didn't he drop out Code S last season? For 12 months he is allowed to train outside the teamhouse? But when he drops to Code A he gets kicked?
he was never training out of the OGS-house lol.. posts like these starts unnecessary controversies
He was actually...they said it on a GSL broadcast. Get your facts straight before "correcting" someone who was right.
/sigh...You guys are basing Zenio moving to TL because of some Reddit post that puts a picture of Zenio beside the silhouette? A lot of people in the announcement thread said the silhouette looked like TLO too. I swear.
Best of luck to Zenio! Good zerg is good. Hope you get to a great team. Maybe EG has room in their sponsorship coffers to pick you up.
On November 13 2011 02:27 Mauldo wrote: /sigh...You guys are basing Zenio moving to TL because of some Reddit post that puts a picture of Zenio beside the silhouette? A lot of people in the announcement thread said the silhouette looked like TLO too. I swear.
Best of luck to Zenio! Good zerg is good. Hope you get to a great team. Maybe EG has room in their sponsorship coffers to pick you up.
it doesnt just look like it, it was definitely used to make the silhouette. (form fits perfectly and the missing fuzz from the white badge can be seen). still that does not mean that its zenio imho
On November 13 2011 02:45 farnham wrote: i laugh at people implying that zenio is bad.
he beats idra constantly in any tournament they met
sure he did not get as much exposure like many other zergs but he is top material.
Exactly. GSL make many top players looks bad sometimes even aweful. Not only it has the highest skill of all the participants, but also the format itself. If you are accidentally caught off guard in all of your matches (normally two/three matches), which is highly possible, you looks like a noob on TV. The truth is that actually even code A player is better than the majority of our foreign pro heros if they play a BO7 match Their training in Korea is just too scary and players are so solid.
From the reddit thread, I think it is fair to say that Zenio's image was used to make the silhouette. However, I disagree that the idea that this leads directly to the fact that Zenio is being signed. I think it is very highly likely, but it is not a tautology.
This could be the best red herring ever, but that seems kind of mean to Zenio, and TL is definitely not the sort of team to act in that way at all, so I'll be pretty surprised if it turns out to not be Zenio.
Really awesome pickup of a solid player, with some pretty decent English skills from what I remember of his NASL application video. Hope he does well with TL (assuming all of this is true)!
I will admit I don't know much about Zenio (other then he is a great Zerg player) but he just doesn't seem like a TL member to me. Hopefully he will fit in with the rest of the TL crew.
LoL @ everyone saying how the silhouette looks like a player. Its just a basic silhouette that has been used before lol. Its not a picture of anyone in specific lol.
On November 13 2011 07:14 ReachTheSky wrote: LoL @ everyone saying how the silhouette looks like a player. Its just a basic silhouette that has been used before lol. Its not a picture of anyone in specific lol.
Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper.
Calm down bro.
He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea.
Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument.
Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper.
Calm down bro.
He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea.
Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument.
You say Zenio is a bad progamer and compare the likes of IdrA and Stephano to NesTea...I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Korean players are better than foreigners for the most part, the likes of NesTea, DongRaeGu, Losira et al should be held at a higher standard than IdrA or Stephano. If Zenio was acquired by Liquid, he'd be going to foreign tournaments and would easily be at least able to 'compete' with the top foreign players.
On November 13 2011 02:45 farnham wrote: i laugh at people implying that zenio is bad.
he beats idra constantly in any tournament they met
sure he did not get as much exposure like many other zergs but he is top material.
I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst.
Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%.
Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish.
So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer.
Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though.
Bad for a progamer? He tops every foreigner he meets, and he despite his losing record, he plays consistently well in the GSL, even when he loses (save that terrible match against Boxer in up and downs ages ago). He's wiped the floor with the likes of Idra, Strelok, and Socke. If you're going to take into account Idra's international record, take a look at Zenio's international record, he's got an insane win record while playing with terrible Korean lag in foreign tournaments.
Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper.
Calm down bro.
He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea.
Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument.
You say Zenio is a bad progamer and compare the likes of IdrA and Stephano to NesTea...I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Korean players are better than foreigners for the most part, the likes of NesTea, DongRaeGu, Losira et al should be held at a higher standard than IdrA or Stephano. If Zenio was acquired by Liquid, he'd be going to foreign tournaments and would easily be at least able to 'compete' with the top foreign players.
I honestly don't think you can read.
Do you know what a sniper is in terms of Starcraft? Obviously not because you have this weak rebuttal that doesn't involve anything. Like I said hes good vs Zerg. Sucks vs every other race. Why? Because i have statistics to prove it. Calm down and read what i wrote then come back with a solid argument. Also you should def read what i said when hes obviously not a bad pro gamer because you can't be a pro gamer and be bad.
So if Zenio joins TL has 5 zergs 1 terran and 2 protosses assuming TLO stays zerg now. Not sure about what affiliation Zenio has with TL asside from living in the same house. Judging from twitter etc I don't see him being huge friends or something like that.
Also Zenio plays top Code S players cause he doesn't really go to foreign events beside NASL. Not sure if we can compare win percentages with foreign players.
Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper.
Calm down bro.
He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea.
Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument.
You say Zenio is a bad progamer and compare the likes of IdrA and Stephano to NesTea...I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Korean players are better than foreigners for the most part, the likes of NesTea, DongRaeGu, Losira et al should be held at a higher standard than IdrA or Stephano. If Zenio was acquired by Liquid, he'd be going to foreign tournaments and would easily be at least able to 'compete' with the top foreign players.
I honestly don't think you can read.
Do you know what a sniper is in terms of Starcraft? Obviously not because you have this weak rebuttal that doesn't involve anything. Like I said hes good vs Zerg. Sucks vs every other race. Why? Because i have statistics to prove it. Calm down and read what i wrote then come back with a solid argument. Also you should def read what i said when hes obviously not a bad pro gamer because you can't be a pro gamer and be bad.
The thing is looking at statistics when comparing zenio to foreigners is a flawed approach because the majority of zenio's games are against other koreans, while the majority of foreigner games (ie idra/stephano) are against other foreigners. Therefore, zenio faces stronger competition so while his other matchups may be bad compared to other koreans, you can't make a statement about whether it's bad compared to foreigners without more data.
Once zenio joins liquid and starts playing in a lot of foreign tournaments, then you can make an assessment of his play compared to other foreigners.
On November 13 2011 02:27 Mauldo wrote: /sigh...You guys are basing Zenio moving to TL because of some Reddit post that puts a picture of Zenio beside the silhouette? A lot of people in the announcement thread said the silhouette looked like TLO too. I swear.
I thought all the talk about who the silhouette looked like was just people trolling. I didn't realize some individuals were actually serious. How can you honestly tell who it is just based on that outline? We can all fit in there -- depending on how far away we are standing away from the camera!
On November 13 2011 02:27 Mauldo wrote: /sigh...You guys are basing Zenio moving to TL because of some Reddit post that puts a picture of Zenio beside the silhouette? A lot of people in the announcement thread said the silhouette looked like TLO too. I swear.
I thought all the talk about who the silhouette looked like was just people trolling. I didn't realize some individuals were actually serious. How can you honestly tell who it is just based on that outline? We can all fit in there -- depending on how far away we are standing away from the camera!
Well it's cause the picture of zenio fits the outline perfectly, so the people found the exact picture the outline was taken from. Plus the announcement is nov 21st and zenio plays code A that day so will appear with a liquid shirt that day.
I remember reading an interview about him during the early stages of beta where he said he'd only be able to compete for about a year, and then he had to leave.
On November 13 2011 02:45 farnham wrote: i laugh at people implying that zenio is bad.
he beats idra constantly in any tournament they met
sure he did not get as much exposure like many other zergs but he is top material.
I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst.
Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%.
Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish.
So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer.
Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though.
Hi friend! It turns out that win % doesn't necessarily correlate with skill! Guess what also counts? The opinion of other progamers. Guess what? Every Korean pro puts Zenio up with the best of the best zergs in terms of skill! Don't believe me? That's fine, because the truth is readily apparent in innumerable Korean pro interviews :D
On November 16 2011 21:20 htn2481 wrote: Slip by Artosis
Well it wasn't really a slip? Liquid is just a little slow on their announcement. Obviously people already knew in Korea that he had joined Liquid, but Liquid I guess still had some production they wanted to finish before they announced it.
EPT
Zenio has left the oGs team.
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