I noticed there was a Japanese player at ESWC this weekend named Nemuke and I found he had a twitter account. He qualified through national qualifiers and plays terran. He wrote a bunch of tweets about his experience and impressions of other players he met. I thought they were pretty interesting so I thought I would translate some of them.
"ESCW felt like a cultural exchange and my point of view was different from Japanese events. The players are probably used to it. I thought it would be a more serious, heavy atmosphere but it was surprisingly serene and there were many calm players. It felt like everyone was together having fun with sports."
"I got back from dinner. The portions of French cuisine are so big I was surprised. I understand why Europeans are fat."
"Today I played ClouD and Lalush and went 0-2 to both of them. With that my ESWC results are that I didn't take a game and went 0-10. It's a result that leaves me with some regrets. However, without feeling too down about the results, I'm looking forward to tomorrow and want to watch some high-level play at the tournament and learn."
"I'll write a little about my impressions of the European players I faced. IdrA, although famous on the net for being BM, isn't like that in real life. Lol. He seemed like a very calm person. His mood was surprisingly similar to breek. His body was impressive and it felt like he fit into the competition area very naturally."
"Cloud. Outwarded he seemed somewhat stern lol. He responded to interviewers very politely. This may be part of the European community, but everyone basically seemed friendly. If I invited someone to games, they would play with me plenty."
"The Swede Lalush. Btw, you read it Raruushu (T/N: I guess Japanese people didn't know how to say his name previously?) I only knew him from replays where after he lost he would say quite rude things lol. Actually his manner of speech and behavior was laid-back and he was very calm. His honestly was quite surprising lol."
"It seems afterall seeing someone in real life and reading what they write on the net or in replays is entirely different. E-sports players have sportsmanship. That is to say, they are essentially friendly and are careful about relationships at the tournament. More than anything, compared to the way I do things it is very positive."
I think many people bm behind the safety of their monitors, but are too afraid to do it at a LAN. It's a good thing though, we wouldn't want anything like that in live events.
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
On October 24 2011 19:27 RevOrchid wrote: oh dear... I hope no one starts an "Idra's Body" thread...
Why not!!! that is the best thread on the history of TL
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
The reason it's written like that is that the Japanese equivalent of the alphabet does not have certain sounds in it. The sound used to pronounce L is one of them, so to write Lalush they have to use characters which create an R sound as a substitute. Similarly, my name (Timothy) is hard to write in Japanese because the "Ti" and "thy" aren't represented in the Japanese alphabet. The closest to my name is to "Teimoshii" (from memory, it's been a long time since I've had to write my name in Japanese, 6 years since High school to be exact).
This applies to the writing more so than speaking though. While the Japanese accent can struggle with L's etc at first, with practice the actual verbal pronunciation of Western names etc is fine.
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
On October 24 2011 19:27 RevOrchid wrote: oh dear... I hope no one starts an "Idra's Body" thread...
Why not!!! that is the best thread on the history of TL
Beat me to it...Though I don't know how NaDa lives without the L sound given that his name is Lee Yoon Yeol.
You realize Lee is the romanization of if right? Technically the sound for it is just EE.. like EE HAN TIMING
Starting on Wednesday January 4th 2012 at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) until late night January 9th!, we'll be playing through over 100 games as quickly as possible while raising money for the Prevent Cancer Foundation, which focuses on research and education for preventable cancers.
That's right, more than 100 games. We're not cheating by picking 100 short games either. We've got Final Fantasy VII, Ocarina of Time (MST) and Earthbound. We have Mario, Sonic and Samus, we've got Half-Life, Portal & Demon's Souls and classics like Contra, Metal Slug & CastleVania. Hell we got just about everything. We even have a whole section dedicated to awful games, so if you're a fan of Bubsy 3D, Lagoon or Trio the Punch we got something for you too! Check out the Marathon Schedule over on the SDA marathon page for a complete list of games and a time schedule that may well end up being accurate.
But what's special about this marathon? Well the main part is that it is being run by SDA, the premiere Speed Running Website on the internet that people in the know head to when they want to find high quality, confirmed legitimate speedruns for games. SDA, like TL, have a top-notch community and a very high standard for posted runs. We've got runners with world records and people who can destroy games that most people struggle with. The stream runs all day and all night, delivering non-stop speed running action.
On top of that, Awesome Games Done Quick offers a fantastic commentary stream to go alongside the gaming action with a lot of chat interaction. With donation incentives like naming characters, requesting challenges and getting people to dance like an idiot celebrate like a boss and a whole load of incredible prizes, from hand-made plushies, pixel art perlers and a load of games, collectibles and so on there's plenty of reasons to watch the marathon. Check out the second post to find out how you can make an impact on the Marathon with our donation campaign: Name Tifa ESPORTS!
So why am I telling you guys this? Well, as you may know I travelled to the last one (that's me dancing for TL) and there was no way I was going to miss going again. I'm flying from London to DC just to take part in this and we, especially me, need your support! Tune in to the marathon and maybe make a few donations and tell your friends. I will be playing Bayonetta on Saturday Friday, Jan 07 7:20am GMT (GMT+00:00) (sorry europe =( ) so please tune in and do some shout outs for TL.net!
Other TL members will be there running games too: Heidman is running Double Dragon 2, Contra, Super C (Contra 2) AND Super Punch Out. Heidman is a monster at these games and they will all be worth checking out. His Super C run from last year (bookmarked at a highlight moment!) can be found on YouTube here. Also, super best friend Tri-Hex will be doing a live Yoshi's Island 100% on Wednesday, Jan 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is guaranteed to be incredible for those who have and haven't played the game. He's gained a small following on our forums so I hope to see some TL people hanging out there too! We've also got a bunch of TL people who will be at the marathon but won't be running games so come join in and give TL a big presence!
I'd just like to take this oppurtunity to thank everyone from TL who donated and watched last year. There were a lot of you making shoutouts and joining chat and we really felt it. It was awesome to see so many of you guys chipping in and you really made a noticible impact on the viewer numbers and donation totals so thank you all.
I'd also like to thank TL.net for giving me permission to promote this event =D.
So, what games are you guys interested in this year?
5 Days, 100+ Games and more sexy nerd flesh than you can handle
Starts on Wednesday January 4th 2012 at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) until late night January 9th!
Starting on Wednesday January 4th 2012 at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) until late night January 9th!, we'll be playing through over 100 games as quickly as possible while raising money for the Prevent Cancer Foundation, which focuses on research and education for preventable cancers.
That's right, more than 100 games. We're not cheating by picking 100 short games either. We've got Final Fantasy VII, Ocarina of Time (MST) and Earthbound. We have Mario, Sonic and Samus, we've got Half-Life, Portal & Demon's Souls and classics like Contra, Metal Slug & CastleVania. Hell we got just about everything. We even have a whole section dedicated to awful games, so if you're a fan of Bubsy 3D, Lagoon or Trio the Punch we got something for you too! Check out the Marathon Schedule over on the SDA marathon page for a complete list of games and a time schedule that may well end up being accurate.
But what's special about this marathon? Well the main part is that it is being run by SDA, the premiere Speed Running Website on the internet that people in the know head to when they want to find high quality, confirmed legitimate speedruns for games. SDA, like TL, have a top-notch community and a very high standard for posted runs. We've got runners with world records and people who can destroy games that most people struggle with. The stream runs all day and all night, delivering non-stop speed running action.
On top of that, Awesome Games Done Quick offers a fantastic commentary stream to go alongside the gaming action with a lot of chat interaction. With donation incentives like naming characters, requesting challenges and getting people to dance like an idiot celebrate like a boss and a whole load of incredible prizes, from hand-made plushies, pixel art perlers and a load of games, collectibles and so on there's plenty of reasons to watch the marathon. Check out the second post to find out how you can make an impact on the Marathon with our donation campaign: Name Tifa ESPORTS!
So why am I telling you guys this? Well, as you may know I travelled to the last one (that's me dancing for TL) and there was no way I was going to miss going again. I'm flying from London to DC just to take part in this and we, especially me, need your support! Tune in to the marathon and maybe make a few donations and tell your friends. I will be playing Bayonetta on Saturday Friday, Jan 07 7:20am GMT (GMT+00:00) (sorry europe =( ) so please tune in and do some shout outs for TL.net!
Other TL members will be there running games too: Heidman is running Double Dragon 2, Contra, Super C (Contra 2) AND Super Punch Out. Heidman is a monster at these games and they will all be worth checking out. His Super C run from last year (bookmarked at a highlight moment!) can be found on YouTube here. Also, super best friend Tri-Hex will be doing a live Yoshi's Island 100% on Wednesday, Jan 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is guaranteed to be incredible for those who have and haven't played the game. He's gained a small following on our forums so I hope to see some TL people hanging out there too! We've also got a bunch of TL people who will be at the marathon but won't be running games so come join in and give TL a big presence!
I'd just like to take this oppurtunity to thank everyone from TL who donated and watched last year. There were a lot of you making shoutouts and joining chat and we really felt it. It was awesome to see so many of you guys chipping in and you really made a noticible impact on the viewer numbers and donation totals so thank you all.
I'd also like to thank TL.net for giving me permission to promote this event =D and HawaiianPig for making these amazing graphics =O
So, what games are you guys interested in this year?
Each year, AGDQ has lots of donation drives for various challenges, naming characters and pulling off certain tricks. In the AGDQ`11 thread, Jibba mentioned grouping up to name a Chrono Trigger character which is a great idea for TL but it never really got off the ground. I loved the idea so this year I want to group TL together under the banner of ESPORTS. Now ESPORTS fans don't pull punches and neither does Team Liquid, so that's why I propose we go after naming Tifa from Final Fantasy VII, ESPORTS. Now you're probably thinking "Why Tifa?, Why FFVII?" that sort of thing so let me explain.
Final Fantasy VII is not only the longest run at the marathon, but will also have some of the fiercest donation competition. I can almost guarantee that Cloud will have someone drop a whole load of money on for a name. Last year we had a single $1000 donation for Chrono in Chrono Trigger and FFVII is even more famous than that. So why not go after Cloud? Well, let me explain.
Cloud is a fucking pussy.
He's a whiny loser and is only really used in the run because you have to use him. The main team for the run is Cloud, Tifa and Cait Sith. Tifa is incredibly strong, incredibly important and also, the sexiest character in the party (sorry Cait). Now lets think about who we want flying our banner of ESPORTS. Do we want whiny loser kid who is only there because he has to be, fluffy toy thing with a cat that isn't there for most of the start of the game, or Tifa, who is not only a key part of the squad for the whole game (she gets the most screentime in the run) but also the most powerful squad member? I think it's clear! We can get a good 8 hours of spreading ESPORTS through the stream. Also it means we can make bad jokes like "I'm donating for ESPORTS" or "you're killing ESPORTS".
Simply put, Tifa gets the most screentime, is the most powerful and the most sexy character. A perfect fit for TL and ESPORTS.
Now obviously you don't have to donate for this if you don't want to, it's cool. If you want to donate for a challenge or for another game, go right ahead! If you don't want to donate or can't, that's fine too! I think with a nice group effort like this, the TL community can really make their mark on the marathon. If you want to donate to name Tifa ESPORTS, all you have to do is tune in while watching the marathon, then click the chipin page. Once you've sent in your money by whatever means you want, just leave a chipin comment saying that your money is towards naming Tifa ESPORTS! You can also shoutout to TL, your dog, house or anything you want there. There might be a start point for donations, so if you're unsure if they've started yet, just ask in chat!
I look forward to seeing ESPORTS deathblowing all sorts of shit in FFVII land.
Team Liquid Donation Campaign, Name Tifa: ESPORTS Each year, AGDQ has lots of donation drives for various challenges, naming characters and pulling off certain tricks. In the AGDQ`11 thread, Jibba mentioned grouping up to name a Chrono Trigger character which is a great idea for TL but it never really got off the ground. I loved the idea so this year I want to group TL together under the banner of ESPORTS. Now ESPORTS fans don't pull punches and neither does Team Liquid, so that's why I propose we go after naming Tifa from Final Fantasy VII, ESPORTS. Now you're probably thinking "Why Tifa?, Why FFVII?" that sort of thing so let me explain.
Final Fantasy VII is not only the longest run at the marathon, but will also have some of the fiercest donation competition. I can almost guarantee that Cloud will have someone drop a whole load of money on for a name. Last year we had a single $1000 donation for Chrono in Chrono Trigger and FFVII is even more famous than that. So why not go after Cloud? Well, let me explain.
Cloud is a fucking pussy.
He's a whiny loser and is only really used in the run because you have to use him. The main team for the run is Cloud, Tifa and Cait Sith. Tifa is incredibly strong, incredibly important and also, the sexiest character in the party (sorry Cait). Now lets think about who we want flying our banner of ESPORTS. Do we want whiny loser kid who is only there because he has to be, fluffy toy thing with a cat that isn't there for most of the start of the game, or Tifa, who is not only a key part of the squad for the whole game (she gets the most screentime in the run) but also the most powerful squad member? I think it's clear! We can get a good 8 hours of spreading ESPORTS through the stream. Also it means we can make bad jokes like "I'm donating for ESPORTS" or "you're killing ESPORTS".
Simply put, Tifa gets the most screentime, is the most powerful and the most sexy character. A perfect fit for TL and ESPORTS.
Now obviously you don't have to donate for this if you don't want to, it's cool. If you want to donate for a challenge or for another game, go right ahead! If you don't want to donate or can't, that's fine too! I think with a nice group effort like this, the TL community can really make their mark on the marathon. If you want to donate to name Tifa ESPORTS, all you have to do is tune in while watching the marathon, then click the chipin page. Once you've sent in your money by whatever means you want, just leave a chipin comment saying that your money is towards naming Tifa ESPORTS! You can also shoutout to TL, your dog, house or anything you want there. There might be a start point for donations, so if you're unsure if they've started yet, just ask in chat!
I look forward to seeing ESPORTS deathblowing all sorts of shit in FFVII land.
Was looking around a few days ago for more information about the japanese community and I found a community site: http://starcraft2.jpcommunity.com/sc2/ Seems like they have barcraft there too, which is kinda cool
Would be nice if somebody could translate the sutff there, my Japanese isn't that good
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
On October 24 2011 19:27 RevOrchid wrote: oh dear... I hope no one starts an "Idra's Body" thread...
Why not!!! that is the best thread on the history of TL
Beat me to it...Though I don't know how NaDa lives without the L sound given that his name is Lee Yoon Yeol.
You realize Lee is the romanization of if right? Technically the sound for it is just EE.. like EE HAN TIMING
:-O. You learn something new every day. Excuse me ignorance and thanks for the correction :D
hahahaha Euros are fat and IdrA has a great body? Love this guy.
No but seriously, it's great to learn a bit more about another SC2 community. We really don't hear much about Asian SC2 aside from TW and KR. Following him on Twitter now.
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
its literally to show off or to show a thing or two having respect to a fellow player... lol not sure
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
Pot calling the kettle black. Btw, for the kanji thing you're wrong.
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
Pot calling the kettle black. Btw, for the kanji thing you're wrong.
Just let it go and stop digging yourself in any deeper. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
wow man relax, did it really made you so angry you had to type all this?
I think the pronunciation part regarding Lalush relates to the character "Lelouch" from the super awesome anime Code Geass. Since people in the west pronounce it "lah luh sh" or "leh luh sh," he instead suggests "rah ruu sh" which would make pronouncing Lalush's name exactly the same as "Lelouch."
Anyways, hurray, more evidence/support for my belief that Idra BMs on purpose (as in, has a fake persona, AKA best troll ever?)
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
I don't understand how you interpreted it as him having trouble, he does not say that directly nor hint towards that. If anything, it's people in general who have trouble, therefore him telling how to pronounce it.
everybody rages sometimes in front of the computer. Doesnt mean you are the same when you are around other people.
concerning the fat thing. I think I read somewhere that Japan was amongst the countries with the best overall BMI index in the world and in general the food they serve is much less heavy on calories.
Just read the title, 'Japanese Player Nemuke'. His name also just happens to spell out nuke'em. Not sure what to make of that but I shamefully admit I loled.
Why do people do this? Are you trying to show off your knowledge of a foreign language on an english SC message board? I mean, I can at least understand those who slip in a "As a masters league player..." because, as pompous as it is, relates to SC2 but this kind of thing just boggles my mind.
Do you see people saying ciekawy when there's a thread about Mana or Tarson? Or maybe 흥미있는 in any thread about a Korean player? What's more, you didn't even use the kanji which actually makes you look pretty novice.
Pot calling the kettle black. Btw, for the kanji thing you're wrong.
Just let it go and stop digging yourself in any deeper. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings
protip: he's not the same guy you were giving shit earlier.
I actually met this guy in Paris, he was waiting with us for the ESWC party sunday evening and I had a nice little chat/interview with him and his manager. I'll try to get it all down in writing and post the interview.
It is unfortunate that Japan's pro-gaming scene is not larger. The Japanese gaming scene is console-based, and it is hard for many casual gamers to switch from console to PC gaming.
Nevertheless, I feel that there is a huge potential market in Japan for esports, since there is already significant interest in gaming in the culture, a developed economy capable of financially supporting a scene, and high population density that encourages gaming and tournament attendence.
Perhaps what Japan needs is one of their own to attain success in the SC2 scene. National pride is still very powerful in East Asia, and I feel that if there were more, say Chinese or Japanese players, more Chinese and Japanese people may follow the scene, simply to follow their country's representative at first, but will gradually become a part of the community.
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
lighten up a bit, i doubt he was trying to be disrespectful or "mean". He would say the exact same about the US or almost any other part of the world if he visited there.
On October 25 2011 00:31 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Just read the title, 'Japanese Player Nemuke'. His name also just happens to spell out nuke'em. Not sure what to make of that but I shamefully admit I loled.
err, you mean his name anagramed is nuke'em ? because otherwise your statement doesn't make sense to me.
Europeans being hurt at being called fat after calling Americans fat all their lives
1 some guy feeling hurt at a guy who seems to be from Japan typing in Japanese and doesn't realise anything when another Japanese corrects his knowldege in Japanese.
We/Japanese look really thin/slender/small (depending on your preference) in comparison. And I have to say:
In all honesty, I agree with him you all do look fat hahahahaha :D
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: "The Swede Lalush. Btw, you read it Raruushu (T/N: I guess Japanese people didn't know how to say his name previously?) I only knew him from replays where after he lost he would say quite rude things lol. Actually his manner of speech and behavior was laid-back and he was very calm. His honestly was quite surprising lol."
Japanese have problems with R and L. Basically its spelled the same ^^ Here is a example ;P
Also Nemuke would be terrified if he went to MLG ^^
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
Well he is comparing it where he came from and japanese people aren't really known as to be fat (except sumo wrestlers ofc).
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
Well he is comparing it where he came from and japanese people aren't really known as to be fat (except sumo wrestlers ofc).
well, like i said in my last post, he doesnt have to travel far to see fat people if he considers french people fat. south korea is fatter and china isnt far behing (guessing that chinas figures are vastly higher in urban areas)
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
LOL @ all the europeans getting butthurt over a minor overweight comment... relax he was just mentioning it in relation to him being served apparently giant portions of food
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
Good job in calling him stupid when your own link supports his argument.
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
Good job in calling him stupid when your own link supports his argument.
by the same logic i could go to kuwait and say "gee, asians are really fat"
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
Good job in calling him stupid when your own link supports his argument.
by the same logic i could go to kuwait and say "gee, asians are really fat"
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Grow some thicker skin. That isn't "bad manners". You're just offended.
of course i am.. europe is an extremely diverse continent ranging from northern russia to spain to turkey.. to state such a stupid generalization deserves a reaction
You do realize on average "Europeans" are 'fatter' than the Japanese, so not only what he said is correct, but you've totally taken it in a weird way. It wasn't meant as a mean spirited thing.
Japan is 3.2% obese, Sweden is 9.7%, Netherlands 10%, France 9.4%, UK23% etc
source is easily google-able
i didnt find his statement mean, just uninformed and stupid.
Good job in calling him stupid when your own link supports his argument.
by the same logic i could go to kuwait and say "gee, asians are really fat"
Nice try but no. You are going a specific spot to valid your argument which is simply cheating + your argument is still false. Your own link is killing your argument here since it simply disagrees if you do stuff like that. Japanese people are simply less fat by average then Europeans, its just a fact...
people of collective cultures are not hesitant to assign labels like fat, or stupid. they would describe themselves as such if it were true as well, it is just a cultural thing--they don't take as many steps as people of individualistic cultures to constantly maintain extremely high self esteem via creating grandiose self-images.
also people in japan are extremely fit compared to the rest of the world, as their diet contains much more fish as opposed to red meat compared to just about every other industrialized nation
On October 26 2011 04:25 Alejandrisha wrote: people of collective cultures are not hesitant to assign labels like fat, or stupid. they would describe themselves as such if it were true as well, it is just a cultural thing--they don't take as many steps as people of individualistic cultures to constantly maintain extremely high self esteem via creating grandiose self-images.
also people in japan are extremely fit compared to the rest of the world, as their diet contains much more fish as opposed to red meat compared to just about every other industrialized nation
"...To reach its goals of shrinking the overweight population by 10 percent over the next four years and 25 percent over the next seven years, the government will impose financial penalties on companies and local governments that fail to meet specific targets. The country’s Ministry of Health argues that the campaign will keep the spread of diseases like diabetes and strokes in check..."
On October 26 2011 04:25 Alejandrisha wrote: people of collective cultures are not hesitant to assign labels like fat, or stupid. they would describe themselves as such if it were true as well, it is just a cultural thing--they don't take as many steps as people of individualistic cultures to constantly maintain extremely high self esteem via creating grandiose self-images.
also people in japan are extremely fit compared to the rest of the world, as their diet contains much more fish as opposed to red meat compared to just about every other industrialized nation
"...To reach its goals of shrinking the overweight population by 10 percent over the next four years and 25 percent over the next seven years, the government will impose financial penalties on companies and local governments that fail to meet specific targets. The country’s Ministry of Health argues that the campaign will keep the spread of diseases like diabetes and strokes in check..."
i did not know that! thank you for learning me something new ^^
This isn't really a thread about whether Europeans are fat or not but I figured I'd throw this in here just in case.
Having lived in Japan for 2 years, and with a Japanese wife, the Japanese tend to* use the word overweight / fat a lot more and with a lot less discretion than we do. Here it's basically a death sin to call someone overweight, whereas in Japan I frequently (...) saw conversations like "Hey you've gotten a little fat, eh?" - "Yeah, I gotta do something about that". My wife's mother kept talking about me being fat (I definitely am not - 65 kgs, 184 cms), and only later did I find out that she said it in a "it's good that you've put on some weight" manner, rather than "you should lose weight bubba!". Somewhat outside the point but still, how many westerners would say "your belly's sticking out" to someone, and not even being negative about it.
My wife constantly bugs my friend who's a bit on the "fluffy" side, and HIS girlfriend (we became friends in Japan) bugged him about it as well, constantly. I could give many more examples but I'll just stop there.
On topic: awesome! I've been looking so hard for Japanese SC2 players but it's been a desert. Maybe it's grown a bit since I was looking the last time. We're planning on moving back at some point and I'd hate to be the only person in the country who plays the damn game.
(* disclaimer: generalizing, based on experience I've had with the Japanese I've seen or met or heard of)
There are a surprising number of Japanese Starcraft 2 fans. Like most of the foreign scene, they are largely ex-Brood War players that have picked up Starcraft 2. It's slowly gaining popularity there, although not to a huge degree.
It's like the nerdier version of the Hallyu Wave, which is the term used for Korean Pop/Drama/Movies taking over a lot of the Eastern Asian entertainment scene.
On October 26 2011 05:05 scintilliaSD wrote: Nemuke says he would love to go to MLG.
There are a surprising number of Japanese Starcraft 2 fans. Like most of the foreign scene, they are largely ex-Brood War players that have picked up Starcraft 2. It's slowly gaining popularity there, although not to a huge degree.
It's like the nerdier version of the Hallyu Wave, which is the term used for Korean Pop/Drama/Movies taking over a lot of the Eastern Asian entertainment scene.
damn the word,Hallyu wave is the most lame and retarded word we koreans made .. anyways,good info
The sc2 scene in Japan isn't big because they don't even have a localised version of it, they have to play import american copies. Also not many people own pc's in their home, as everything they ever need to do can be done from their phones. I read something like only 10% of digital photos taken in Japan ever actually make it onto a pc. A lot of Japanese people are aware of starcraft though, because of the their close proximity to korea, but not many that I've ever met have first hand experience with it.
Also the fat thing.. Japanese people use it liberally, they don't even sugar coat it with each other. It's really funny to overhear. They don't mean "like a hippo" they use it for even little increments of weight gained. Oh and the guy warned for typing in Japanese.. was from Japan. He wasn't showing off, and no you don't often see that word written in Kanji.
Hopefully blizzard will maybe do a localisation for HOTS, and get more people playing it, apparently the reason they don't is because every game they've released in Japan has been a failure, and I've also heard the translation of sc1 was pretty awful.
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
That is something that I never quite understood completely. I heard that East Asians can't pronounce L and use R instead but then sometimes it seems like it is the other way around. For example at IPL some caster said that he was told to say "Lyung" instead of "Ryung" because that's how the Koreans would say it but how is that even possible if they can't pronounce the L?
On October 26 2011 04:34 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 24 2011 19:02 Kroml. wrote: haha europeans accuse americans being fat, asians accuse europeans are being fat.
on topic: I really want Japanese gamers get into SC2 more. I hope he does better in the future.
I agree, but they like consoles and Street Fighter too much lol
Japan like RPG,dating sims and impossibly difficult robot fighting games such as Armored Core.
That's true, but you haven't heard about the professional leagues/tourneys over there for SF? ;o
It's a cultural thing. Handheld/phone games are SUPER POPULAR in Japan. Consoles are also extremely popular compared to the rest of the world. Japanese enjoy playing single-player games more than anything.
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: I understand why Europeans are fat.
wow.. so bm.. almost all japanese ive met have been nice, but i guess theres bad apples everywhere
Calling someone "fat" isn't really a huge deal in Asia, for the most part. It's just a statement. No need to get offended. (And honestly, people who fall in the correct BMI range still get called fat in Asia, lol.)
On October 26 2011 03:07 Bagration wrote: It is unfortunate that Japan's pro-gaming scene is not larger. The Japanese gaming scene is console-based, and it is hard for many casual gamers to switch from console to PC gaming.
Nevertheless, I feel that there is a huge potential market in Japan for esports, since there is already significant interest in gaming in the culture, a developed economy capable of financially supporting a scene, and high population density that encourages gaming and tournament attendence.
Perhaps what Japan needs is one of their own to attain success in the SC2 scene. National pride is still very powerful in East Asia, and I feel that if there were more, say Chinese or Japanese players, more Chinese and Japanese people may follow the scene, simply to follow their country's representative at first, but will gradually become a part of the community.
Monster Hunter should be an Esport. Or if a game similar to Monster Hunter became an Esport there would be a huge Japanese following. I don't know if the RTS genre can really take hold in Japan. They really like their RPGs.
On October 24 2011 18:29 SwampZero wrote: Funny how he has trouble pronouncing Lalush's name, seeing as the name sounds 100% the same as an anime character
It's because on Japan, they don't have the L sound, like Korean, so the L sound to them is a little bit wierd xD. For example, My Japanese teacher calls me rauru... and my name is Raul.
That is something that I never quite understood completely. I heard that East Asians can't pronounce L and use R instead but then sometimes it seems like it is the other way around. For example at IPL some caster said that he was told to say "Lyung" instead of "Ryung" because that's how the Koreans would say it but how is that even possible if they can't pronounce the L?
The L/R thing occurs because both Korean and Japanese have only one sound that is somewhere between the two and depending on it's position in a wrod and surrounding sound can sound like either an "L" or an "R". Example: the R in ryung and the L in Seoul is written with and considered the same sound in Korean.
They have trouble distinguishing with languages in which these two sounds actually make the difference between two words because this doesn't exist in their language. Example: rip and lip would be pronounced the same by a Korean or Japanese speaker and they would have a difficult time distinguishing the two words spoken by an English speaker. This is particularly true when spoken out of context.
For the record, Ryung is pronounced more like Lyung (to an English ear) and it is [u]one[/u syllable. Tasteless' pronunciation isn't the greatest. Listen to the Korean caster's intros and you'll see.
On a related note the Japanese pronounciation of the Street Fighter character Ryu sounds like Lyoo. One syllable. Ree-oo is sufficient and will be understood by native speakers. Lee-oo would sound even better and Rye-oo is just wrong.
On October 26 2011 05:05 scintilliaSD wrote: Nemuke says he would love to go to MLG.
There are a surprising number of Japanese Starcraft 2 fans. Like most of the foreign scene, they are largely ex-Brood War players that have picked up Starcraft 2. It's slowly gaining popularity there, although not to a huge degree.
It's like the nerdier version of the Hallyu Wave, which is the term used for Korean Pop/Drama/Movies taking over a lot of the Eastern Asian entertainment scene.
damn the word,Hallyu wave is the most lame and retarded word we koreans made .. anyways,good info
To all the people in here getting bent out of shape about his "fat" comment, when you say "fat" in Japanese you use the word 太い (futoi) but the same word is used to describe "big" as in muscular, so for all we know he might have been referring to europeans as "big" not necessarily "fat"
oh shit, no one let Nemuke go to US tournaments, he's going to get his mind blown haha.
Thanks for the translations, he sounds like someone who doesn't go out much. Seems like it was a great experience for him. I hope he was able to make some friends.
If I translate nemuke's tweet freely, I would write "His behavior seemed very confident" instead of "His body was impressive". I think Ansalem translated his tweet rather literally. (Btw I'm native Japanese and following nemuke's twitter)
Anyway thanks very much for translation Ansalem, I and many Japanese SC2 fans enjoyed this thread!
nemuke is a funny guy ;P played some games with him too and he actually plays pretty smart just lacking a little macro ^_^ hope i see him again at other events
Aw, an opportunity to put my Japanese fluency to worthwhile use here on TL missed ^^;
Re: the futoi / fat comment, people's "sizes" really aren't considered anywhere nearly as inappropriate amongst Japanese, much unlike how it is in Western cultures. It's almost certain he didn't meant it an overtly negative way, for what that's worth.
For the record, Ryung is pronounced more like Lyung (to an English ear) and it is [u]one[/u syllable. Tasteless' pronunciation isn't the greatest. Listen to the Korean caster's intros and you'll see.
On a related note the Japanese pronounciation of the Street Fighter character Ryu sounds like Lyoo. One syllable. Ree-oo is sufficient and will be understood by native speakers. Lee-oo would sound even better and Rye-oo is just wrong.
The wrong part would be "rai-yu." oo/ou = long vowel... Re/Le = Reh/Leh for White ppl... Ri/Li =/= Rai/Lai / always just Ri/Li
Hello guys, I'm nemuke who attended in ESWC as Japanese representative. nice to meet you
I never expected that my Japanese tweets translated into English, I was so surprised but I'm so glad if it made you have interest to Japanese SC2 scene
As for "Europeans become fatter", of course I didn't mean for every Europeans. I meant a few Europeans in the TV show I've seen, I saw very smart/beautiful men/women becomes 2-3 times fatter when they got older. just joking
I'd like to introduce some Japanese SC2 site. of course it's all Japanese though.
Starcraft2 Japanese Community(SJC), this is biggest tournament and community site in Japan. sometimes they do offline tournament as well. http://starcraft2.jpcommunity.com/sc2/
Starcraft-times, this is greatest sc news site in Japan. sometimes they went to Korea and translated the interview into Japanese. http://sc-times.net/
yea only reason lalush wasnt BM to him was cuz lalush 2-0ed him if the japanese player 2-0ed lalush, lalush prob wouldve been cursin up and saying racist slurs non stop to him
On November 03 2011 13:10 BloodThirsty wrote: yea only reason lalush wasnt BM to him was cuz lalush 2-0ed him if the japanese player 2-0ed lalush, lalush prob wouldve been cursin up and saying racist slurs non stop to him
no actually lalush is like a big teddybear irl lol srsly
I never expected that my Japanese tweets translated into English, I was so surprised but I'm so glad if it made you have interest to Japanese SC2 scene
As for "Europeans become fatter", of course I didn't mean for every Europeans. I meant a few Europeans in the TV show I've seen, I saw very smart/beautiful men/women becomes 2-3 times fatter when they got older. just joking
I'd like to introduce some Japanese SC2 site. of course it's all Japanese though.
Starcraft2 Japanese Community(SJC), this is biggest tournament and community site in Japan. sometimes they do offline tournament as well. http://starcraft2.jpcommunity.com/sc2/
Starcraft-times, this is greatest sc news site in Japan. sometimes they went to Korea and translated the interview into Japanese. http://sc-times.net/
Though my English is a littler poor, If you have any questions about Japanese SC2 scene, I'd like to try to answer it. Thank you
Time to start streaming! definitely get a get a webcam and microphone for bonus points. Practice hard and get noticed EG already has a japan division to join up with (゜∀゜)
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: That is to say, they are essentially friendly and are careful about relationships at the tournament. More than anything, compared to the way I do things it is very positive."
lol, I love the way the Japanese choose their wording. Always intrigued me for some reason ^^ Glad to see a Japanese player coming to some European events. I hope he improves so we see more of him.
Speaking of Japanese streams. You can Check out the Japanese community website, they feature any Japanese Live streams that are going on on their front page. http://starcraft2.jpcommunity.com/sc2/
You can follow breek's (WCG Japan winner, 2 time SteelSeries.JP King of the Hill, etc) at http://ja.twitch.tv/breektyche breek deleted his twitter, but might make Another ONE?
I think Nemuke will Start streaming after he gets a better graphics card. You can follow him at https://twitter.com/nemuke1
And maybe I'll post more Japanese stream and follow information in the future.
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Taiwan Clan League 4 Matches!! Team Japan vs xGking! 2011 11 19 Team Japan vs Nw! 2011 12 3 Team Japan vs Dhc! 2011 12 8 Team Japan vs sTorM! 2011 12 13 Catch all TCL matches at these streams! JP stream http://ja.twitch.tv/Nazomen EN & CN stream http://www.own3d.tv/TCL
On October 26 2011 03:07 Bagration wrote: It is unfortunate that Japan's pro-gaming scene is not larger. The Japanese gaming scene is console-based, and it is hard for many casual gamers to switch from console to PC gaming.
Isn't that why they made Stacraft for N64 ? LOL. Their pro gamers are either console or arcade dwellers.
Nice read. The japanese have a similar way to cheer by saying ファイト、ファイト！(fight, fight ! instead of fighting)
On November 04 2011 17:55 Choboo wrote: What ladder do Japanese players play on? Is it KR, CN, SEA or do they have their own server? :o
I think the version sold in Japan is the NA version...
On October 24 2011 18:20 Ansalem wrote: "I'll write a little about my impressions of the European players I faced. IdrA, although famous on the net for being BM, isn't like that in real life. Lol. He seemed like a very calm person. His mood was surprisingly similar to breek. His body was impressive and it felt like he fit into the competition area very naturally."
lol i had to laugh hard about him saying europeans are fat
he seemed really impressed by the friendliness of the players at the event which makes me think he expected a bunch of assholes which is kinda surprising to me
IdrA, although famous on the net for being BM, isn't like that in real life. Lol. He seemed like a very calm person. His mood was surprisingly similar to breek. His body was impressive and it felt like he fit into the competition area very naturally.
So I heard that IdrA works out and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but I cant find it. I tried googling image "Idra's body" but I couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of his nice body, anybody have it?
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