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On November 23 2011 18:31 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 09:45 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 07:43 Panicc wrote:On November 23 2011 06:38 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 05:46 tnud wrote:On November 23 2011 02:54 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 02:22 eqez wrote:On November 23 2011 01:48 Satyric wrote:Stream will probably lag as usual anyway. As usual? I know there were problems in Valencia...But as usual? I was attending both Stockholm and Summer but what ive heard the streams didnt lag. All DH 2011 streams have lagged to the extent that it turned into a slideshow instead of a stream. I live in Sweden and I have a 100 mbit connection, so it's nothing wrong on my end. In DHS11 finals everyone watching the stream missed 70% of the first game because of terrible lag, even on 240p. I've had 0 problems with dreamhack streams.. It's your computer/connection dude. 100/100 doesn't mean shit if you got crap wireless for example. My router has 300 mbps WAN throughput and gigabit network speed, so no. It is not on my end. Period. It is FACT! Are you kind of dumb? If i had not any problem from germany with a shitty 350kb connection then its your fault? :D You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Yes the stream may work for some, but not for everyone. When the stream reaches too many viewers the server gets overloaded, hence throttling bitrate to some viewers. And all of this is very much based on where you live and what ISP you have, because everyone will have different routes to the server. So no, I'm not kind of dumb, you are just clueless. You know, you just described how it was indeed a problem on your end. =) Not specificly your fault, but the problem being your ISP/routing, which is definitely your end and not DHs. DH cant do much else than sending out a boatload of data out on the internet, if you're unable to receive that data at a satisfactory speed, tough luck. What do you expect, a personal cable from DH home to you? =)
No, it means DH is not sending it out fast enough, and if they want happy viewers/customers, they need to fix that.
Justintv used to be super laggy for a lot of Europeans, are you saying we should blame Europe for that?
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Eh, how is that a good analogy?
Dreamhack can only affect what they send out of their venue, and it has nothing to do with the lack of speed.
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On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes.
Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment.
EDIT: Can't remember where I read that though.
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Wow didn't know Dreamhack Winter was this close, totally surprised me. Can't wait to see if Naniwa can keep up his good play. Expecting a lot from Stephano as well.
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On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment.
It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules.
Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p
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On November 23 2011 21:08 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment. It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules. Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p
We don't have ID cards here. They tried to bring them in as a mandatory thing a few years ago, but the new government scrapped them after massive public outcry.
Edit: even the ones that were issued have ceased to be valid from January 2011.
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On November 23 2011 21:18 scruffeh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:08 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment. It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules. Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p We don't have ID cards here. They tried to bring them in as a mandatory thing a few years ago, but the new government scrapped them after massive public outcry. Edit: even the ones that were issued have ceased to be valid from January 2011.
Oh ok that's why then 
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On November 23 2011 20:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:31 Kreb wrote:On November 23 2011 09:45 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 07:43 Panicc wrote:On November 23 2011 06:38 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 05:46 tnud wrote:On November 23 2011 02:54 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 02:22 eqez wrote:On November 23 2011 01:48 Satyric wrote:Stream will probably lag as usual anyway. As usual? I know there were problems in Valencia...But as usual? I was attending both Stockholm and Summer but what ive heard the streams didnt lag. All DH 2011 streams have lagged to the extent that it turned into a slideshow instead of a stream. I live in Sweden and I have a 100 mbit connection, so it's nothing wrong on my end. In DHS11 finals everyone watching the stream missed 70% of the first game because of terrible lag, even on 240p. I've had 0 problems with dreamhack streams.. It's your computer/connection dude. 100/100 doesn't mean shit if you got crap wireless for example. My router has 300 mbps WAN throughput and gigabit network speed, so no. It is not on my end. Period. It is FACT! Are you kind of dumb? If i had not any problem from germany with a shitty 350kb connection then its your fault? :D You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Yes the stream may work for some, but not for everyone. When the stream reaches too many viewers the server gets overloaded, hence throttling bitrate to some viewers. And all of this is very much based on where you live and what ISP you have, because everyone will have different routes to the server. So no, I'm not kind of dumb, you are just clueless. You know, you just described how it was indeed a problem on your end. =) Not specificly your fault, but the problem being your ISP/routing, which is definitely your end and not DHs. DH cant do much else than sending out a boatload of data out on the internet, if you're unable to receive that data at a satisfactory speed, tough luck. What do you expect, a personal cable from DH home to you? =) No, it means DH is not sending it out fast enough, and if they want happy viewers/customers, they need to fix that. Justintv used to be super laggy for a lot of Europeans, are you saying we should blame Europe for that?
If some viewers don't have problems with stream -> DH is sending fast enough, good enough.
If most viewers don't have problems with stream, the 3rd party company actually doing the streaming is doing it good enough.
Unfortunately, for most people, the problems lie with their ISP's routing policies, how they connect to other networks/backbones. That's where the problem is, no matter if you got 1/1 or 1000/1000. Or it could be worse, it could be your home setup.
What most of you fail to realize is that outside of your own ISP's network you have no guarantees about speed. Your 100/100 can give 10mbps download speed without any problems simply because of how it's routed.
Or for a different example, say your ISP has 10000 customers with 100/100, what do you think happens when all of them want to download something from outside the ISP's network (assuming it's a nice ISP and their own infrastructure can actually support 10000 people pumping 100mbps in/out each). You do realize maths says the ISP needs 1tbps connection to the outside? That's around 1000000000000bps.
So before you yell at DH think about the fact that you don't even have 100/100 with the outside of your ISP and it can get a lot worse depending on what you're connecting to, what other networks you use to get there and all the QoS and routing policies.
If some people have a good stream then sorry, blame your ISP, call them, yell at them to work shit out with the other end of the stream (which most likely isn't DH and most likely isn't JTV either).
Speculation here, but seems common sense and that's how I'd do it:
DH------>DHISP------->(3rd party streaming server rented by streaming site that DH uses - not exclusively, some bandwidth/usage rights)------>(3rd party streaming cloud/black-box network)----->(3rd party streaming server chosen as the best option for you)----->YOURISP------>YOU
The actual streaming site is just a UI used on DH (streaming software like xsplit) and on YOU (browser player).
If problems would be on DH side - everyone gets crappy stream.
If problems are at 3rd party, everyone or some - depending on which server the player thinks is best and where in the chain the problems are - will have issues. Low chance, from what I heard the companies doing this are extremely good.
Most likely problems are between chosen server and you or, if too many are sent to one server, out bandwidth of that server so a semi localized problem.
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Insane roster of players. This event is going to be truly epic :D
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Tastosis getting the tour by the CEO of Dreamhack.
On November 23 2011 22:27 FishStix wrote:
Insane roster of players. This event is going to be truly epic :D
Have the twitch crew settled in at the "scene of the crime" yet?
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On November 23 2011 21:41 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:18 scruffeh wrote:On November 23 2011 21:08 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment. It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules. Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p We don't have ID cards here. They tried to bring them in as a mandatory thing a few years ago, but the new government scrapped them after massive public outcry. Edit: even the ones that were issued have ceased to be valid from January 2011. Oh ok that's why then
The UK is not part of Schengen, so you need a passport to get in/out of the UK.
It's funny how they are upset about ID cards when they probably have more public video camera coverage than the rest of the world
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Poor DBS. Attends hist first offline tournament --> placed into group of death. 
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On November 23 2011 22:32 BossaKungen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:18 scruffeh wrote:On November 23 2011 21:08 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment. It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules. Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p We don't have ID cards here. They tried to bring them in as a mandatory thing a few years ago, but the new government scrapped them after massive public outcry. Edit: even the ones that were issued have ceased to be valid from January 2011. Oh ok that's why then The UK is not part of Schengen, so you need a passport to get in/out of the UK. It's funny how they are upset about ID cards when they probably have more public video camera coverage than the rest of the world
Them Island people are strange folks!  .
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I hope that the draw for groups day 1&2 will be aired live, with studio experts ready to analyze the situation.
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On November 23 2011 22:32 BossaKungen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:18 scruffeh wrote:On November 23 2011 21:08 ZenithM wrote:On November 23 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:On November 23 2011 07:55 Soleron wrote:
No Demuslim?
How many tournaments is he going to miss? I've been hearing the EG hype for a year now and he's shown up to basically none of the major tournaments whether due to his arm, travel problems or schedule clashes. Apparently he wanted to go but he's getting a visa or something so he doesn't have his passport with him at the moment. It's European Union so I would guess that he only needed an ID card. Or is it different for British people? Maybe they can go to other european countries but not actually come back to GB, I don't know the rules. Or maybe he doesn't even have a valid ID card :p We don't have ID cards here. They tried to bring them in as a mandatory thing a few years ago, but the new government scrapped them after massive public outcry. Edit: even the ones that were issued have ceased to be valid from January 2011. Oh ok that's why then The UK is not part of Schengen, so you need a passport to get in/out of the UK. It's funny how they are upset about ID cards when they probably have more public video camera coverage than the rest of the world
Thats not actualy true, while UK is not part of Schangen they have some sort of special relationship with Shangen meaning that You can enter UK with only your ID (inside Shangen your documents are not even checked most of the time. You can drive trough border without even noticing it. And while i am not UK citizen, i doubt they will make more problems for their citizens than they do did to me.
Unless of course UK changed some things pretty recently.
PS.Actualy it turns out, its easier for me to enter UK than for UK citizen to enter Sweden, at least on paper.
http://www.swedenabroad.com/Page____23300.aspx
Here is the list of Countries that people from need Visa to enter Sweden (nor Uk nor England is on the list so its not a visa problem it would seem)
http://www.sweden.gov.se/content/1/c6/13/59/55/96f47860.pdf
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On November 23 2011 20:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:31 Kreb wrote:On November 23 2011 09:45 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 07:43 Panicc wrote:On November 23 2011 06:38 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 05:46 tnud wrote:On November 23 2011 02:54 Satyric wrote:On November 23 2011 02:22 eqez wrote:On November 23 2011 01:48 Satyric wrote:Stream will probably lag as usual anyway. As usual? I know there were problems in Valencia...But as usual? I was attending both Stockholm and Summer but what ive heard the streams didnt lag. All DH 2011 streams have lagged to the extent that it turned into a slideshow instead of a stream. I live in Sweden and I have a 100 mbit connection, so it's nothing wrong on my end. In DHS11 finals everyone watching the stream missed 70% of the first game because of terrible lag, even on 240p. I've had 0 problems with dreamhack streams.. It's your computer/connection dude. 100/100 doesn't mean shit if you got crap wireless for example. My router has 300 mbps WAN throughput and gigabit network speed, so no. It is not on my end. Period. It is FACT! Are you kind of dumb? If i had not any problem from germany with a shitty 350kb connection then its your fault? :D You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Yes the stream may work for some, but not for everyone. When the stream reaches too many viewers the server gets overloaded, hence throttling bitrate to some viewers. And all of this is very much based on where you live and what ISP you have, because everyone will have different routes to the server. So no, I'm not kind of dumb, you are just clueless. You know, you just described how it was indeed a problem on your end. =) Not specificly your fault, but the problem being your ISP/routing, which is definitely your end and not DHs. DH cant do much else than sending out a boatload of data out on the internet, if you're unable to receive that data at a satisfactory speed, tough luck. What do you expect, a personal cable from DH home to you? =) No, it means DH is not sending it out fast enough, and if they want happy viewers/customers, they need to fix that. Justintv used to be super laggy for a lot of Europeans, are you saying we should blame Europe for that?
You realize that Dreamhack has a 120 gigabit connection at their venue? Their routers are _insane_ as well. If you are having problems, then its either on your end, or because you have a bad connection to the nearest Twitch-TV server
The fact that other people are having no problems at all, completely rules out your postulate that this is on Dreamhacks end. If it was on Dreamhacks end, everyone would have problems.. I cannot fathom why you can't understand this...
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Why U No MC? Well at least idra can sleep at night peaceful.
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On November 24 2011 00:20 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why U No MC? Well at least idra can sleep at night peaceful.
yeah... don't worry... sleep well
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Seala to beat HuK in groups! You heard it here first.
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