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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 24 2011 11:08 GMT
#341
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 11:13:23
September 24 2011 11:12 GMT
#342
On September 24 2011 20:08 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.

the funny thing is - he beat MMA in the IPL qualifier

edit: but he sure would benefit from a stay in korea
keep it deep! @zulison
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 11:14:04
September 24 2011 11:13 GMT
#343
On September 24 2011 20:08 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.


While that was not my point, you become a pro when you are paid for doing what you are doing. Winning tournament price money does not make you a pro.

My point was that for many pros out there, it isnt about making money, its about improving and becoming the best at the sport. Hopefully they can make money along the way.
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
September 24 2011 11:20 GMT
#344
Stephano said He got no fun to play at sc2 now , and it's a work.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
September 24 2011 11:21 GMT
#345
On September 24 2011 20:12 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:08 Boblion wrote:
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.

the funny thing is - he beat MMA in the IPL qualifier

edit: but he sure would benefit from a stay in korea

He wouldn't beat him in lan (since PuMa TvZ is far worse than MMA's I assume...) and the outcome of the final didn't matter that much.
WriterMaru
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
September 24 2011 11:22 GMT
#346
Blizzard should reward runs like this to motivate players to play better on the ladder I think.
I'm very good at making carriers.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
September 24 2011 11:25 GMT
#347
On September 24 2011 20:08 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.


I'd say you are a professional when you make so much money that you can live off it.

@ the korea issue:
I can understand that young players are money-focused and stephano wants to win EU/NA tournaments easily to earn some money. But in the mindset of a sportsman there should be more than this, especially when you are that exceptionally talented like stephano. Not going to korea would be a waste of talent and a missed opportunity for gaining so many experiences that cannot be paid for.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 11:34:45
September 24 2011 11:28 GMT
#348
On September 24 2011 20:13 arQ wrote:
My point was that for many pros out there, it isnt about making money, its about improving and becoming the best at the sport. Hopefully they can make money along the way.

Many top Sc2 players are here for the money. I really doubt that all the former bw / war3 pros or even amateurs would have switched without the $$$ and the easier competition. Maybe they would have tried the game for fun but when you start to practice 8-10 hours/day you need to earn money.
I think MVP said something about that in an interview. Now obviously if you want to make money you have to be the one of the best but the first motivation for those guys is money.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
dsll
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom143 Posts
September 24 2011 11:31 GMT
#349
I still think going to coL would have opened up so much more for him than staying with mill but best of luck! he's the euro hope!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
September 24 2011 11:32 GMT
#350
On September 24 2011 20:20 Vira wrote:
Stephano said He got no fun to play at sc2 now , and it's a work.

Source ? Not that I don't understand him though, must be awfully tiring to play this much.
The legend of Darien lives on
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
September 24 2011 11:34 GMT
#351
On September 24 2011 20:28 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:13 arQ wrote:
My point was that for many pros out there, it isnt about making money, its about improving and becoming the best at the sport. Hopefully they can make money along the way.

Many top Sc2 players are here for the money. I really doubt that all the former bw / war3 pros or even amateurs would have switched without the $$$ and the easier competition.
I think MVP said something about that in an interview. Now obviously if you want to make money you have to be the one of the best but the first motivation for those guys is money.



IIRC MVP said in an interview that his family is poor, and he saw a better opportunity to make
money in SC2 than in Broodwar. So he switched that he could support his family.

And i think it was a wise choice, considering he was a B-Teamer in Broodwar.
wat
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 24 2011 11:35 GMT
#352
On September 24 2011 20:25 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:08 Boblion wrote:
On September 24 2011 20:02 arQ wrote:
On September 24 2011 19:50 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Why would Stephano go to Korea. He's good enough to win every tournament in Europe / NA and makes so much money. He's also good enough to beat Korean Terrans and Korean players as we saw in VARIOUS tournaments. He might not be NesTea and don't beat MVP or MMA but he's easily good enough to not go to Korea and still make money


All about the money huh? Interesting view coming from a "pro".

You become a pro when you make money.


I'd say you are a professional when you make so much money that you can live off it.

Yea that's what i wanted to say. Teams and sponsors are not a prerequisite, they will eventually come to you if you get results anyway.
I know that it isn't the "official" definition but it makes much more sense, especially with all the events. Definitly different of bw where there are only two large tournaments and players need a team salary.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
September 24 2011 11:36 GMT
#353
MVP was A-team in hanbit, wasnt very impressive tho

i consider it the right move too anyway
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 24 2011 11:44 GMT
#354
On September 24 2011 20:32 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 20:20 Vira wrote:
Stephano said He got no fun to play at sc2 now , and it's a work.

Source ? Not that I don't understand him though, must be awfully tiring to play this much.


It's also pretty discouraging when no one around you is putting nearly the same effort as you. He's put so much pressure on himself, and all he gets is a pat on the back instead of friendly competition and guidance.

Essentially, there are two language barriers to pick from: One is the SC2 language which Millennium barely understands, and one is the English/French language which Korea barely understands.
/commercial
Longitze
Profile Joined August 2011
4 Posts
September 24 2011 11:52 GMT
#355
Korean ladder is where they try new stuffs and strats. watch nestea and mvp seems unbeatable in big tournaments but sucks in ladder.

All hail DRG!
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
September 24 2011 11:58 GMT
#356
On September 24 2011 05:57 Beyond Magic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:52 s4life wrote:
On September 24 2011 05:39 Alpino wrote:
The whole Millenium-coL thing and the "I dont know who Grubby is" makes me not like him at all. But the kid is good let's see if he can keep it in a LAN tourney against KR Terran.


err... I'd say he'd have some small chance to take a game off if he matches up against the average ones like rain or boxer.. there is no way in hell he'd take a game off the top terrans.


didnt he smash MMA? i'd consider him as one of the top terrans.


I thought we were talking about LAN here though.. w/e you'd say korean lag is real.
ThE)ShoWTimE
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy213 Posts
September 24 2011 11:59 GMT
#357
What i'd like to say is that i saw a lot of Stephano's streams lately and i'm totally impressed with his consistency, beating regularly and apparentely easely players like White-Ra, Kas, Nerchio etc...
This guy is totally on another level right now, also, it was incredible how he was totally messing up in ladder games like making just spine crawlers and get broodlords at 12 minutes, or playing using bane drops/mines vs protoss...He was totally fooling around with the best players out there in EU and yet he did not drop a single game for the entire time...Impressive!
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
September 24 2011 12:09 GMT
#358
how can he have such a long winning streak? I thought zerg is so prone to cheese, all-ins, early pressure and can't scout. infestor nerf was to hard I guess.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2373 Posts
September 24 2011 12:44 GMT
#359
On September 24 2011 20:22 YourMom wrote:
Blizzard should reward runs like this to motivate players to play better on the ladder I think.

I think this thread is reward enough. ^^
Towni
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria144 Posts
September 24 2011 12:46 GMT
#360
I just looked at the top ladder races earlier today and found out that theres no terran at the top of any of the relevant ladders (EU,NA,KR).

I really think we haven't had that for a very long period of time. Zers dominating atm. no more 7 out of 10 terrans in sight anywhere. interesting.
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