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JPP
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland104 Posts
September 08 2011 19:54 GMT
#41
Is ToD the guy who sounds like Arsene Wenger? :D
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
September 08 2011 19:54 GMT
#42
On September 09 2011 04:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
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On September 09 2011 04:31 Meteora.GB wrote:
What's with the recent surge in foreigners going to Korea I wonder?

Good luck to Tod at any rate.


I don't know, I guess they all think that going there will somehow make them improve even more.
You can do what you what's done in Korea at home, you just need the dedication and motivation.

That's my understanding at least. I'm probably missing something.


It's not just grinding out a lot of games on the ladder or with other pros in customs. There's a teaching, guiding component to being in Korea too.

As other people have pointed out Koreans don't just play a lot, or even rehearse the same build over and over. They discuss strategy with each other and Korean teams have dedicated coaches going over replays, pointing out mechanical flaws, ect.

I know Nazgul acts as TL's coach and FXO has coaches, but the other foreign teams? I don't think they have much in the way of coaching beyond the players. And even then, if you aren't around the other players how much can you really coach each other?

I know some of the foreign houses have the equivalent of player-coaches, but I don't think that's nearly the same. The skillset required to teach and play are different and depending on how player oriented that person is, their knowledge of the game is going to be slanted towards the matchups they play and even then, from the side they play. That's just natural no matter how well they understand the game, their exposure is limited.

Most of the foreign players live in the Gom house, but a bunch of them travel to practice with other teams, FXO when they got there practiced a ton with fOu (leading to their merger). Naniwa lived in the ST house for a while too, Fenix of course ended up with IM, so he was obviously playing with them ahead of time, ect.
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
September 08 2011 19:55 GMT
#43
GSL is finally starting to live up to its name.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8673 Posts
September 08 2011 19:55 GMT
#44
looking very forward to this step ToD decided to take for himself - if anyone of the foreigners has had the experience of "living the korean dream" and basically the raw potential of becoming very good - even compared to korean standards - it´s him
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
September 08 2011 19:56 GMT
#45
ToD FIGHTING!!!!!!
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 08 2011 19:57 GMT
#46
I hope he'll do well! ToD whaiting!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
September 08 2011 19:58 GMT
#47
On September 09 2011 04:31 Meteora.GB wrote:
What's with the recent surge in foreigners going to Korea I wonder?

Good luck to Tod at any rate.


Koreans have been raping the foreigner scene lately, so people go there to practice.
It's like karate kid =D
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
MGN
Profile Joined June 2011
France383 Posts
September 08 2011 19:59 GMT
#48
By the way he's streaming right now check it out
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
September 08 2011 20:00 GMT
#49
On September 09 2011 04:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
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GOOD LUCK!

Genius.............
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 08 2011 20:01 GMT
#50
Seems like War3 players like Korea ^_^
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
September 08 2011 20:03 GMT
#51
Good luck ToD!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
September 08 2011 20:04 GMT
#52
On September 09 2011 04:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

GOOD LUCK!


Wow this is a ridiculously good analogy, good luck ToD!
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
September 08 2011 20:04 GMT
#53
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD FIGTHING!!!!!
tests
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
September 08 2011 20:04 GMT
#54
4K TOD HAS BIG NOSE!! GOGGO!
Time is money my friend.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#55
On September 09 2011 04:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

GOOD LUCK!


hahaha priceless.

Good luck ToD! your gonna do great there
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
September 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#56
Love to see al the western playes trieng to take starcraft serious. And realise that practice in korea would be so good fir the SKill lvl.
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
September 08 2011 20:45 GMT
#57
Oh boy, Grubby and Tod back in Korea....this'll be awesome. I just so wish these two would rise and become the absolutetely best foreign players like it used to be back in the days...and hopefully this'll happen now! :D
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
September 08 2011 20:52 GMT
#58
Good Luck to ToD, I really hope he will gain a lot from his training there (like all foreigners before did). More white dudes to Korea !
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
September 08 2011 21:00 GMT
#59
Good luck yoan I love u !
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 21:16:10
September 08 2011 21:14 GMT
#60
Good luck Yoan !!! I was your fan in WC3 hopefully you will show your strength in SC2 soon, you are already really good and have huge potential !! Gogo become the best Toss :D
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