• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:04
CET 11:04
KST 19:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win1Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)25
StarCraft 2
General
Smarter Support Is Becoming Part of the Strategy Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
https://www.facebook.com/SerenatoxDetoxTeaUK.EUR/ $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which foreign pros are considered the best? Gypsy to Korea Fantasy's Q&A video
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Lost love spell caster in Spain +27 74 116 2667
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1486 users

GoOdy: "Germany is one of the strongest countries" - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
r0x0r
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany293 Posts
August 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#101
On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...


And Stephano imho
"[...]and I think that many Korean players will go overseas to compete, because foreign fans have something korean fans don't have -- heart." - MMA
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
August 26 2011 00:01 GMT
#102
On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...


ever heard of stephano?
pushthebutton
Profile Joined August 2011
12 Posts
August 26 2011 00:01 GMT
#103
On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...


you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
August 26 2011 00:03 GMT
#104
I'm pretty sure that China's going to do very well at WCG.
powerade = dragoon blood
Gaspadin
Profile Joined November 2008
Russian Federation132 Posts
August 26 2011 00:03 GMT
#105
On August 26 2011 09:01 pushthebutton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...


you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now


Sorry, totally forgot this guys
got me? guess not
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 00:24:34
August 26 2011 00:18 GMT
#106
On August 25 2011 07:24 figq wrote:
With 6 of the top foreigners, Germany as a team is quite strong, and could give a decent run for the money to the teams of Sweden, Canada, USA, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Australia+UK. I would love if someone organizes such a team event with the best players per nation. Granted, it won't be as competitive as the individual cups, because of lack of such high individual incentive, but would be fun.


there was already a nationwar with germany,russia,poland and the ukraine which germany won.
but the "problem" in germany might be the thing that so many players dont play fulltime.they have either a job or going to college.
koll is not interessted,mondi doesnt spend much time in sc2 as well and the rest....actually the same.
to compare a whole country we should compare the top 10 or even top 15 from each country because a top 3 doesnt represent a country imo so the best is sweden and then germany.
m0s1n0
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 00:19:45
August 26 2011 00:19 GMT
#107
Just one example for german domination:

Pokerstrategy Community Cup #3

-> TL-Thread

Complete Top 4 from Germany
http://www.fragster.de - editor in chief
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
August 26 2011 00:24 GMT
#108
On August 26 2011 09:01 pushthebutton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...


you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now


SarenS is French also, isn't he?
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
cari-kira
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany655 Posts
August 26 2011 00:37 GMT
#109
On August 26 2011 09:19 m0s1n0 wrote:
Just one example for german domination:

Pokerstrategy Community Cup #3

-> TL-Thread

Complete Top 4 from Germany


its the only example i can think of, tbh
only 3 noteable foreigners, kas, tarson and beastyqt, and they did really well.
no swedish players.
nice to see you're happy, but dont fly to high;-)
Live and let live
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
August 26 2011 00:38 GMT
#110
On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.

If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games...


wanna get a list of players goody defeated in the last month?
strelok,white-ra,hasuobs,darkforce,mana,dimaga,beastyqt.etc.
and he has won a bunch of onlinecups in the last 2,3 weeks as well.
goody is extremely underrated because hes a "funny"character because of his playstyle unfortunately
furthermore hes top 10 GM right now.
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
August 26 2011 00:48 GMT
#111
On August 25 2011 05:45 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 05:27 Chocolate wrote:
On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:
On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain

North America is a country now? What did I miss?

Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec.


wow and that coming from an us citizen^^, guess my imagination of canadian<-> us hate only resulted from the constant Huk is canadian american; only canadian bla bla duscission?


Honestly, I would like to think most Canadian vs US hate is in jest. Likely stemming from the fact that citizens of both countries are exceptionally similar (with the exception of quebec as noted). I honestly feel that there is no nationality as similar to a US citizen as a Canadian and vice versa. Hope that doesn't offend anyone.


m0s1n0
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 01:01:20
August 26 2011 00:51 GMT
#112
On August 26 2011 09:37 cari-kira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 09:19 m0s1n0 wrote:
Just one example for german domination:

Pokerstrategy Community Cup #3

-> TL-Thread

Complete Top 4 from Germany


its the only example i can think of, tbh
only 3 noteable foreigners, kas, tarson and beastyqt, and they did really well.
no swedish players.
nice to see you're happy, but dont fly to high;-)


Just joking
Don´t take it serious. Just found it somehow interesting for the discusion going on here all the time.

I am making the prize money overviews every month for fragster so i know which countries are the stronges most times.

I would say it´s overall like this (ONLY PRIZE MONEY):

1. South Korea
2. Sweden
3. Germany
4. France

The things splited in months:

+ Show Spoiler +

July:
1. South Korea
2. France
3. Germany
4. Taiwan
5. Spain

June:
1. South Korea
2. Canada
3. Germany
4. France
5. Sweden

Mai (only European Server):
1. Poland
2. Ukraine
3. Russia
4. Sweden
5. Germany

April (only European Server):
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
3. Germany
4. France
5. Ukraine

March (only European Server):
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
3. Germany
4. Great Britian
5. Ukraine

February (only European Server):
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Ukraine
4. France
5. Germany

January (only European Server):
1. Sweden
2. Ukraine
3. Germany
4. Poland
5. Great Britian


just some money games
http://www.fragster.de - editor in chief
LogiiK
Profile Joined June 2011
France185 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 01:50:44
August 26 2011 01:50 GMT
#113
1. South Korea
2. Sweden

after it is tight ...

France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg

the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :

- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland

maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
m0s1n0
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany575 Posts
August 26 2011 09:06 GMT
#114
On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden

after it is tight ...

France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg

the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :

- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland

maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.


I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)...

I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.
http://www.fragster.de - editor in chief
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 09:28:35
August 26 2011 09:27 GMT
#115
Well, apart from the powerhouse swedes in Korea, I'd say the rest of europe is about the same level.
Just take a look at the tournament roundup threads, there are months where Germany has posted better results, then there are months were France posted better results, and the same goes to Poland and Ukraine. But there is no nation who is dominating each and every one of those tournament roundups. So I think Goody is right to call Germany one of the strongest countries.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 09:38:12
August 26 2011 09:37 GMT
#116
On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden

after it is tight ...

France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg

the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :

- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland

maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.


I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)...

I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.

Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france).
1. South Korea
2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order)
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
LogiiK
Profile Joined June 2011
France185 Posts
August 26 2011 12:45 GMT
#117
I can not find what are the players in Germany are higher than the French players Stephano is over but the rest is the same level.
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
August 26 2011 12:47 GMT
#118
On August 26 2011 18:37 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:
On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden

after it is tight ...

France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg

the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :

- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland

maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.


I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)...

I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.

Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france).
1. South Korea
2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order)


tbh, Stephano would be top1 in Ger
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
August 26 2011 13:15 GMT
#119
On August 26 2011 21:47 hyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 18:37 Tigi wrote:
On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:
On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden

after it is tight ...

France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg

the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :

- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland

maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.


I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)...

I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.

Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france).
1. South Korea
2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order)


tbh, Stephano would be top1 in Ger

Yea he proved in IEM how much better than Socke he is.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
LogiiK
Profile Joined June 2011
France185 Posts
August 26 2011 14:19 GMT
#120
lol
Stephano lost 2-1 against the winner and 2-1 against the third in this tournament and he beat 2-0 Sase, the groupe socke is much easier, Socke vs Puma? 3-0.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
Rongyi Cup S3 - Playoffs Day 1
CranKy Ducklings83
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 174
RotterdaM 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Flash 1420
Hyuk 1035
Rain 852
Jaedong 648
Soma 288
Killer 243
JulyZerg 213
Hyun 209
Mong 177
Larva 59
[ Show more ]
BeSt 59
Rush 57
Noble 53
soO 50
Hm[arnc] 47
Backho 43
Shuttle 38
ZerO 35
Stork 33
HiyA 30
zelot 25
Sacsri 20
ToSsGirL 19
GoRush 17
hero 15
Bale 11
Light 7
Snow 1
Dota 2
Gorgc2934
XcaliburYe129
Fuzer 119
NeuroSwarm110
League of Legends
JimRising 919
C9.Mang0379
Counter-Strike
oskar107
Other Games
singsing1542
Liquid`RaSZi1319
olofmeister578
ceh9513
Happy399
crisheroes165
Mew2King108
Pyrionflax35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick884
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 116
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4140
• Lourlo1210
• Stunt489
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
56m
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Creator
RotterdaM5
WardiTV Invitational
3h 56m
PiGosaur Cup
14h 56m
Replay Cast
22h 56m
RongYI Cup
1d
herO vs Solar
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
The PondCast
1d 22h
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-26
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.